Gibbs: Obama’s crappy poll numbers are Gallup’s fault or something
posted at 4:05 pm on December 8, 2009 by Allahpundit
A predictable update to yesterday’s Change. Every time I post a poll that’s bad news for conservatives, some denialist will show up in the comments to insist that (a) all polls are bunk and/or (b) this particular pollster is particularly bunk-ish. You and I call that person a troll. Obama calls him his press secretary.
No video, but I like to imagine that he punctuated this with the fingers-in-the-ears “la la la la” routine while reporters shouted follow-ups. The punchline? Gallup’s numbers, at 47/46, were actually better than the numbers The One’s been pulling at Rasmussen and CNN lately.
The president’s job approval rating is below 50% in several other polls, but White House spokesman Robert Gibbs today, when asked about the Gallup results, called them meaningless.
“If I was a heart patient and Gallup was my EKG I’d visit my doctor,” Gibbs said. “If you look back I think five days ago we were, there was an 11 point spread, now there’s a one point spread.”
Gibbs continued, “you know, I mean I’m sure a six year old with a crayon could do something not unlike that. I don’t put a lot of stake in, never have, in the EKG that is the daily Gallup trend. I don’t pay a lot of attention to meaninglessness.”
If you were a heart patient and your EKG was this flat, you’d already be in the hospital, champ. A simple “polls change all the time, we don’t place much stock in them” would have worked wonders here, but why go that route when you could insult a respected professional by comparing them to a child — for the second time this week? Can the famously disciplined Hopenchange message machine seriously do no better than this guy? Or is he simply emulating the whining and bad faith that’s lately been coming straight from the top?
Update: Frank Newport, Gallup’s EIC, responds with much greater politeness than Gibbs deserves.
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SparkPlug on May 18, 2013 at 3:42 AM
My favorite artists are Raphael and BMore.
SparkPlug on May 18, 2013 at 3:42 AM
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Kenosha Kid on May 18, 2013 at 3:55 AM
April 21 is “last week”? =P
Divinyls – “Good Die Young”
Hüsker Dü existed between 1979-1987; that time period is later ’80s – early ’90s? =P
Ok, that was my turn as HA’s QOTD ombudsman à la Red Eye’s Andy Levy. :)
Hüsker Dü – “Eight Miles High” (Pink Pop Festival 87)
Anti-Control on May 18, 2013 at 5:07 AM
Yummy! :)
I used to like a waitress named Mickey in the early ’90s, who looked like Belinda but was better looking (she knew it, too, and really knew how to use her appeal – guys went gaga over her!)
Of course, everytime I saw her I’d start singing “Mickey” to her! She loved that, and me…however, I ended up sexually frustrating her because I wasn’t physically aggressive/expressive enough for her (I had a good excuse for that – although she was unhappily dating one of my best friends, I was hesitant to act because I’m a true gentleman… :))
Anti-Control on May 18, 2013 at 6:09 AM
As Elvis would say: “Thankya verra much!”
viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 7:45 AM
Focus? I was thinking of another word, but with almost identical phonetics, but ban worthy.
Coffee-thirty at HA, good morning from the hot and humid hills of Cen. Tx.
hillsoftx on May 18, 2013 at 7:49 AM
” ‘IT’S SCARY’: Records show IRS officials independently targeted conservative training materials…
“To say that these were are a couple of rogue IRS agents, there’s just no way,” Nonaka said. “They obviously had to have done research into the state of Hawaii.”
BELOW – Four of the IRS’ questions for the Hawaii Tea Party. (Read the full request here)
4. You will sell merchandise. Provide a list of all merchandise you will sell, the cost and the sale price.
5. Provide details regarding your relationship with the Leadership Institute. Provide copies of their training material.
6. Provide details regarding your relationship with Dylan Nonaka. Provide copies of training material used by Dylan Nonaka.
7. Provide details of all other training you have received. Provide copies of the training material.
The Hawaii Tea Party, based in Maui, was audited in 2011. But despite the IRS’ inquiries, Nonaka said he had only limited interaction with the group.
“I think I did one training with [the Hawaii Tea Party] through the Leadership Institute, when the Leadership Institute came to Hawaii,” Nonaka told The DC.”I was never a member of the Hawaii Tea Party. I was never involved with them.”
Meanwhile, also in 2011, the Leadership Institute was under the IRS’ microscope.
“Our audit began June 1, 2011,” Leadership Institute spokeswoman Abigail Alger told TheDC. “We were asked for additional documentation in February 2012″ — just 19 days after the Hawaii Tea Party was asked for additional information.
“The Baltimore office asked for copies of our training material,” Alger said. “The questions ranged from turning over the content of our 2008 training materials, to giving them all the information on our 2008 interns. These were just college kids, but they asked who our 2008 interns went on to work for.”
“In May, the IRS had an internal workshop. Our audit was closed July of that year, with no evidence of wrongdoing,” Alger said. “By that point, we had spent $50,000 in legal fees.”
The Hawaii Tea Party was also cleared of wrongdoing by the Cincinnati office.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/18/records-show-irs-officials-independently-targeted-conservative-training-materials-in-pretty-big-invasion-of-privacy/#ixzz2TdzW9Ed2
workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 7:53 AM
Link to entire IRS requests on pg. 2 at the DC link.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/18/records-show-irs-officials-independently-targeted-conservative-training-materials-in-pretty-big-invasion-of-privacy/#ixzz2TdzW9Ed2
workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 7:57 AM
The same sort of laser-like focus on jobs: he destroyed them and the economy has been on the brink of collapse with all the additional federal spending and regulations, plus the size and intrusiveness of it.
He wants to do the SAME THING to the middle class.
As Insty refrains: ‘They’ll turn us into beggars because they’re easier to please.’
ajacksonian on May 18, 2013 at 7:58 AM
D’OH…
“Second, looking much further back than I did, our reader says that since 1960, the 2004 election is the ONLY time that Hispanics MIGHT have voted 40% for the GOP.
Third, he presents this distressing news:
Pew Hispanic Center published a remarkable – and completely unreported – research study in 2012. Pew’s conclusion? First generation Hispanics vote 80% for the Democrat Party. Fourth(!) generation Hispanics vote 60% for the Democrat Party.
Unskilled and low-skilled immigrants are, and always have been, natural constituents of the Democrats. And their more highly skilled, and even affluent, descendants tend to remain Democrats. Heck, fourth generation Jewish Americans vote even more heavily for Democrats than fourth generation Hispanics.
Republicans are deluding themselves when they attribute Hispanic voting patterns to the issue of immigration — the numbers don’t support that argument. They are also deluding themselves when they claim that the Hispanic population that has voted so overwhelmingly Democratic for decades can be won over in the foreseeable future by a Republican Party that favors limited government…”
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/05/the-hispanic-vote-in-presidential-elections.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+powerlineblog%2Flivefeed+%28Power+Line%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:06 AM
Agreed AJ and excellent, appalling link workingclass.
Could the reasonable person presume Romney would have gotten a 2% swing if Americans would have been informed in a timely fashion of the IRS and Benghazi details–details known then that we are just discovering now? Clearly, if the AP story would have broke, they would have blown up the 2012 election. Mind-boggling what could have been.
hillsoftx on May 18, 2013 at 8:07 AM
Good mornin’, Americans!
Martin Luther King, Jr. “The War Against Christianity: Obama’s IRS” My take.
kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 8:07 AM
Well…This is unexpected….
” Eliana Johnson points out that the director of the Office of Rulings and Agreements, which oversees the determination of tax-exempt organizations, is a donor to Barack Obama. Holly Paz donated $2,000 to Obama’s 2008 campaign, according to Open Secrets, which maintains a database of individual political donations.
Liberal Democrats comprise the vast majority of federal bureaucrats. For example, in the past two presidential races, roughly 85 percent of the money contributed to a candidate by IRS employees went to Barack Obama.
This is consistent with what I observe here in the Washington, D.C. area. I estimate the percentage of bureaucrats to be at least 85. And most federal bureaucrats I know hate conservatives as a class (but not me, I hope).
That’s one reason why, as I wrote the other day, conservatives should never support legislation that empowers the federal government to promote liberalism. Any constraints written into such legislation are likely to be ignored by the bureaucrats who administer the law.
And conservatives should begin adhering to this rule by rejecting the Schumer-Rubio immigration bill…”
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/05/director-of-irs-tax-exempt-determinations-office-is-obama-donor.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+powerlineblog%2Flivefeed+%28Power+Line%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:12 AM
Congress (Talking to you Mr. Ryan) needs to setup related sub-committee hearings where these targeted individuals testify pronto…imho
Americans need to see and hear that these are ordinary American citizens that were intimidated.
Some were just critics, academics or reporters that wrote or questioned legislative policy.
Let them have their say and put it in the congressional record.
workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM
So…who coordinated the ABA setup…
(Oh…I know…Maybe a rogue low level WH employee)
“Top Republican Rep. Dave Camp, the chair of the House Ways and Means Committee, suggested IRS targeting scandal involves officials outside the IRS….
video at link
” Last week, Lois Lerner, head of the tax exempt division of the Internal Revenue Service dropped a bombshell: The IRS had been applying extra scrutiny to conservative groups claiming tax exempt status.
The revelation came seemingly out of the blue, in response to a question during a panel at an American Bar Association conference, leaving the audience baffled, according to reports.
As it turns out, it was not a spontaneous revelation. The question, said outgoing IRS Commissioner Steven Miller in testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee Friday, was planted, as part of a prepared strategy for the IRS to release this information to the public.
Under questioning from Republican Rep. Devin Nunes, Miller said it was a “prepared Q and A,” and the question, which came from tax lawyer Celia Roady had been discussed in advance as well.
Roady told U.S. News and World Report later Friday afternoon that Lerner had personally contacted her and requested she ask the specific question. Roady said she did not know at the time what Lerner’s answer would be.*
Later, Miller, questioned by Rep. Peter Roskam, explained that the disclosure had been made to coincide with the conclusion of the inspector general’s report…”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/top-republican-dave-camp-suggests-targeting-scandal-involves-officials-outside-irs-video/
workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:23 AM
We reject the bill, but that doesn’t much matter to Congress. If they want it, they’re going to have it. Obama wants it, too, so we have no real recourse long as this crap thing is passed under the law that is the Constitution.
More-Conservative Republicans aren’t just fighting the Democrats. Their own Party opposes them, almost to the point they’re a third political party.
The IRS did an excellent job of stifling the formation of TEA groups, and I find it more infuriating that Senators like Schumer pressed the agency to do it. It’s an insult to our parents who fought WWII, and it’s an insult to my generation who served (I’m pushing 55), and it’s an insult to our children who serve now.
This is not the United States into which I was born.
Liam on May 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM
Caroline Glick ties the insidiousness of the Obysmal administration into one obvious package.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Column-One-Obama-and-the-official-truth-313405
onlineanalyst on May 18, 2013 at 8:29 AM
I’m sure this has been brought up, but if not, in addition to the scrutiny and delay conservative groups had in attempting to gain tax exempt status and the unethical and probably illegal selection of conservatives for audits, all of them incurred additional expenses, sometimes in the tens of thousands of $$$, in documenting their application or defending their tax return. These were hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars that were diverted from promoting conservative ideas. Don’t think for a minute that some enterprising, liberal IRS agent(s) didn’t think: “let’s audit these conservatives and teach them a lesson, all the while making them spend $$$ that they could be using to oppose ‘The Anointed One’.”
GAlpha10 on May 18, 2013 at 8:39 AM
Must See TeeVee…(Or C-Span anyway)
“Issa Issues Subpoena To Amb. Thomas Pickering, Co-Chair Of ARB, To Be Questioned About Findings On Benghazi…
He better have a darn good explanation for why they didn’t talk to either Clinton, Greg Hicks or some of the other important people on the case. He previously said he didn’t interview Clinton because “we knew where responsibility lay”. Huh? – Nickarama
via cbs…
The chairman of the House Oversight committee has issued a subpoena to compel the co-chairman of the independent review board that investigated last year’s attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, to answer questions about its findings in closed session.
California Republican Rep. Darrell Issa issued the subpoena on Friday to retired veteran diplomat Thomas Pickering to force him to appear at a deposition next Thursday.
Pickering has offered to testify before Issa’s committee in public, but Issa said a closed-door meeting is needed first.
Issa is one of several GOP lawmakers who have suggested the Obama administration is trying to cover up the circumstances and aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on the Benghazi outpost that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans…”
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/05/17/issa-issues-subpoena-to-amb-thomas-pickering-co-chair-of-arb-to-be-questioned-about-its-findings-on-benghazi/
workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:39 AM
The real question re Benghazi: What was the nature of the 10 PM phone call?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/348677/10-pm-phone-call-andrew-c-mccarthy
onlineanalyst on May 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM
GAlpha10 on May 18, 2013 at 8:39 AM
At the DC link I posted above one group spent $50,000 in legal fees in their wrangle with the
KGBIRS.But Wait…There’s More!
The
KGBIRS also requested back-end access to conservative websites.“IT GETS WORSE!
The Obama IRS demanded that several Tea Party groups provide back-end access to their websites.
And, from reliable sources: This happened to several Tea Party groups!
The source has this in writing. It states they wanted access to everything the members had access to, which would be chats, email, contact information, etc. The group raised less than $600. She was targeted as early as October 2010.
Central Texas 912 President, Maria Acosta joined Kristina Ribali from FreedomWorks to discuss being singled out by the Feds.
The IRS asked for back-end access to the group’s website.
And this is a tax question?…
UPDATE: The IRS also demanded the Richmond Tea Party in Virginia to provide access to the back-end of their website.
Question 5A: screenshot & pdf at link
5. Provide the following information for your web and internet related activities
a. Copies of your current web pages and your presentations on other web pages such as social networking sites and blog sites (from October 22,2010 to now). If you are a membership organization, please include all the pages that are accessible to your only to your members.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/woah-huge-story-obama-irs-asked-tea-party-groups-for-back-end-access-to-their-websites/
So far I’ve read two accounts where the
KGBIRS requested identification and information on students who were in contact with conservative organization…in instance the students were HS level.workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 8:59 AM
Thanks for posting the link.
I think it would be awesome for Guliani to appointed special prosecutor to investigate Benghazi.
He’s wrangled with the Mafia…and the WH is about on par so it makes sense.
Obama et,al. would crap their collective panties if that happened.
workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 9:04 AM
If you only knew…
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:14 AM
Anti-Control on May 18, 2013 at 5:07 AM
lol
dude..all my days run together.
maybe I read it last week or 2 or 3. :)
Thx for the songs and notes.
I miss u. Your wit and links.
Glad you peeked back in.
I know about breaks..trust me.
Totally, get it.
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM
If you only knew…
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:14 AM
bawhahaaa..
I am coming to TX! ;)
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM
*how to leave Mrs. B9 behind….*
hmmmmm.
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:23 AM
Be sure to let me know when.
.
.
.
.
.
So I can send her to Colorado.
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM
So I can send her to Colorado.
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM
Dang it!!
I will just surprise you then.
I will Cruise Dallas looking for a clothes line filled with pants on a Sat.
Better send your daughter to-if she is 20+. ;)
I kid.
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM
She ain’t, and though I know you kid, even the kidding is scary. I get enough of that already.
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:31 AM
good morning HA…just a quick howdy to all
was perusing some of the other websites and its bloody amazing the number of lib posters who are thrilled at what the irs did, they see nothing wrong with it, they were just doing their jobs…
unstinkingbelievable…
his response has been, they had all the information they needed, they didn’t need to talk with her…
wtf???
cmsinaz on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:31 AM
I apologize..teasing.
I would never.
Never again will I joke about it.
We good?
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM
I wrote that was scary, not makin’ me mad.
Geesh…ya’ ding dong.
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:36 AM
unstinkingbelievable…
cmsinaz on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM
No, what is scary is it IS believable.
There is a segment of our society that does not care about anything except their own agenda.
Not the truth,not the law,not our freedoms,liberty-what is right or wrong.
See HAL for an example.
He stated-paraphrasing’ he doesn’t give a f$$k-
if it is illegal,immoral,unethical,or not constitutional- happy for it and iho all tea party people/cons should be investigated.
Sadly..he isn’t a single voice out there.
Morning btw!
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM
Geesh…ya’ ding dong.
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:36 AM
Okay, my weasel.
I cant hear tone.
I am a very respectful person.
Oh man..I do feel sorry for her in a way..
girl ain’t gonna date till she is 30. ;)
Even then, dudes will be to frightened with
papa Coz. lol
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM
30? What makes you think I will let her date that early?
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM
Mornin’, you two!
I hope y’all are having a good Saturday.
The dishes are going. The laundry is going. And, the bride just left for a day of annual training for the “Y” Summer Program.
kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 9:50 AM
30? What makes you think I will let her date that early?
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM
I had a feeling that would be your come back.
Just throw a chastity belt on her, damn. :)
Or enroll her in NUN college.
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:50 AM
Just hint to any prospective suitor that his predecessor is buried in the back yard.
viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM
Dang, yards need mowin’, fence needs fixin’ I need to turn an old gazebo into a pergola, or awning and here I am goofing off while its still relatively cool out.
Bad B9.
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:52 AM
Morning KJ :)
Nice.
I am hitting the beach in an hour, before the storms come.
Family in town.
I need the laundry to be going-come over? lol
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM
old gazebo into a pergola,
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:52 AM
Cool!
Come build me a pergola- tiki hut style.
My plan..that is sitting due to budget.
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:55 AM
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM
Sorry. While the FLorabama area is my second home (lived in Pensacola as a toddler, been to Gulf Shores at least 15 times, my bride doesn’t share.
…Good help is hard to find.
kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 9:56 AM
Sure..it is B9′s fault Coz is procrastinating.
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:56 AM
No need for anything so drastic.
My thing is to invite potential suitors out to the range.
I have a thing for big ugly (though not to me) firearms.
If he still wants to date my daughter, we go bird hunting.
Did I ever tell y’all I worked on Dick Cheney’s house once. When he moved to Dallas.
Cheney explained bird hunting to me.
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:57 AM
Get back to me on that.
I have some ideas.
Yep. That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.
Now leave me alone y’all.
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:58 AM
kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 9:56 AM
I didn’t know you where a N FL guy. Learn something daily.
Man..with 10 birthdays,mothers day,family visiting,work- we are behind on everything.
I could have thrown in 1 load..
Damn Cozmo.
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:01 AM
Get back to me on that.
I have some ideas.
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 9:58 AM
Sure..like to hear-have some idea’s myself.
We shall converse.
Now get ta work!
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:02 AM
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:01 AM
My uncle was cop in Pensacola. He and my Daddy ran a Pure Oil Gas Station there during my toddler years.
I first visited Gulf Shores with my church Youth Group in ’76. The Bride and I rented a 9th Floor condo there for our honeymoon in July ’09.
kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 10:05 AM
kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 10:05 AM
Nice!
The only place in Fl I havent been. uper pan handle.
Apalachicola is the furthest I have been up on that side.
I have heard it is lovely. My uncle lived in Destin for a bit, once retired from the military.
Now in TX..with his TX born and bred wife.
he loved it up there.
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:08 AM
and your right..we call it Alabama. :)
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:09 AM
Have a good weekend-
I better get to getting.
see ya!
bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM
Yeah…
Perusing the interwebs this morning and a few stories kinda popped out of the clutter…
2 republican congressmen (Kelly & Renacci) wonder out loud & in a letter if Republican Car Dealerships were targeted for closure.
Boy Scouts cave to the Gehs.
Xtremely Butt hurt Driveby Media still obsessing over AP scandal…Cause That’s their Top Priority & Il Duce hurt their feelings or something.
NK blows their wad (3 missles) into the sea of Japan…SK shrugs
Unlike Il Duce…The Queen O’ England holds her own umbrella
Fox News sez Ted Cruz eligible for POTUS…which could indicate dumping Senor Rubio…Switch Latino for Tejano as the great hispanic hope?
(Ted Cruz and John Cornyn wrote Xcellent amendments to the Bogus Immigration Bill btw…Cruz has them at his site)
Volcanoes continue to smolder…
Jazz got mugged maybe or he’s eating a big breakfast…cause it’s been a little slow this morning at HA
workingclass artist on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM
I’ll cut Jazz some slack. He got assigned to write an article on the dreadful Terry McAuliffe. There’s no means or method to make that dull Clintonite anything but boring and a thankless no-hits wonder.
viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 10:36 AM
This is nothing new for dear leader. He gives a speech to issue a veiled warning just in case there are whistle blowers lurking in the tall weeds. It had been reported that there were some more Benghazi witnesses coming forward, he gave a speech with a veiled warning about bringing people to justice and losing jobs and apparently those witnesses disappeared.
Kissmygrits on May 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM
I love their version of this and – yeah 1987 counts as “late 80s to early 90s”……anything after ’85 is “late eighties”, technically and even though they disbanded in 1987 (actually late December of 1987, so it was practically 1988) – underground and non-profit radio stations continued to play their music regularly for a good five years. Not to mention the subsequent efforts of the individual band members after the group disbanded. I remember hearing them a lot on WXRT in Chicago in ’91 and ’92…..it was like they never went away….So – even though they disbanded in late “87 – their “Radio Life” went on for a good five years after that…..
williamg on May 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM
test
KCB on May 18, 2013 at 6:15 PM
Did you pass?
cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 6:26 PM
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