Conyers: Obama doesn’t care what’s in or out of ObamaCare

posted at 3:30 pm on December 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Here’s another moment of irony, courtesy of Jake Tapper.  John Conyers has erupted in frustration over Barack Obama’s lack of leadership on the ObamaCare legislation, and told Obama that personally in a phone call. Conyers had no hesitancy in disclosing the call to reporters, while the White House offered a more circumspect “no comment”:

Conyers said on the Bill Press Radio Show, as covered by Sam Stein at the Huffington Post: “I’m getting tired of saving Obama’s can in the White House. I mean, he only won (health care reform) by five votes in the House, and this bill wasn’t anything to write home about. The public option is only available, which is the only way you manage cost and get some competition to 1,300 other health insurance companies, the only way he could have got that through is that progressives held their nose and voted for it anyway.”

Asked if President Obama had shown enough leadership in that debate, Conyers said “Of course not, of course not. You know, holding hands out and beer on Friday nights in the White House and bowing down to every nutty right-wing proposal about health care, and saying on occasion that public options aren’t all that important is doing a disservice to the Barack Obama that I first met who was an ardent single-payer enthusiast himself.”

He said White House chief of staff doesn’t care that much about the content of the legislation.

“That is essentially what Rahm Emanuel has said: Just give us anything and we will declare victory,” said Conyers. “Not only is it not a victory, but when it doesn’t work, guess who will come at him: the same guys that were saying let’s go along with anything… This is all my buddy Rahm Emanuel trying to get anything. But look the bill doesn’t go into effect for three years. Many of the people that we are trying to help will be dead by then.”

That attitude certainly is open to criticism, but Conyers is hardly the man to demand a more passionate interest in the content of legislation. Almost five months ago, Conyers openly scoffed at the notion that he should read the bills on which he votes:

During his speech at a National Press Club luncheon, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Democratic Congressman John Conyers (D-Mich.), questioned the point of lawmakers reading the health care bill.

“I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill,’” said Conyers.

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

No one will be surprised by the content of Conyers’ complaint, except those who haven’t paid any attention during the debate. It became clear during the August recess that the White House would sign just about anything Congress managed to produce, as they became desperate for a legislative victory. That desperation has only increased as job losses mount and the administration is seen as blind to the real priorities of Americans and tone-deaf on its spending in a time of already-massive deficits.

Nor should anyone be surprised at Conyers’ description of Obama as “an ardent single-payer enthusiast himself.” Obama has tried to insist that he doesn’t favor a single-payer system to defuse allegations that ObamaCare is nothing more than a Trojan horse for an eventual government takeover, but that aspect has been obvious from the start. It’s why progressives insist on a government-run insurance plan being part of the bill that Conyers won’t read and Obama will sign without worrying about what it contains.

Update: Mary Katharine Ham says not to expect this contretemps to damage the alliance between the CBC and the White House:

Rhetoric aside, when the rubber hits the road, the Congressional Black Caucus will be with Obama on big votes. Black voters are the only demographic group with whom Obama’s approval numbers have never dropped significantly, hovering above 90 percent as support in other segments has dropped by double digits.

Nonetheless, an extended conflict between black legislators and Obama, with black legislators arguing that Obama policies require them to use their “strength and… influence to better represent our communities” can’t help with enthusiasm in this vital Democratic voting bloc in a cycle when enthusiasm will already be low, across the board.


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Hows your wife doing Sen Conyers ?

macncheez on December 8, 2009 at 3:35 PM

He said White House chief of staff doesn’t care that much about the content of the legislation.

Rahm is trying to keep the black man down.

faraway on December 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Yikes.

Tonto turns on Lone Ranger.

I think this is Stage 1 of pending Obama administration meltdown.

fogw on December 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

“That is essentially what Rahm Emanuel has said: Just give us anything and we will declare victory,” said Conyers. “Not only is it not a victory, but when it doesn’t work, guess who will come at him: the same guys that were saying let’s go along with anything… This is all my buddy Rahm Emanuel trying to get anything. But look the bill doesn’t go into effect for three years. Many of the people that we are trying to help will be dead by then.”

Well, hand them a loss and let them declare that a victory.

Spin.

ted c on December 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

This whole topic is demeaning to President Obama.

myrenovations on December 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Translation: Conyers upset that Congress, not the President, will take the heat for this pile of “shovel ready” smelly stuff.

jwolf on December 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I don’t think the details matter much to any of the proponents. Kill the free market quickly if possible…slowly if necessary. And if you can save seats for the Democrats in the short term, fine. If not, in the long term you’ll do just fine.

That’s pretty much how they roll when it comes to anything.

Asher on December 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM

So John Conyers is racist?

rbj on December 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM

The only thing surprising about this is that the Democrats are openly eating their own. Great news.
Beyond that, Conyers is a corrupt politician that in no way should still be in Washington. I hope he keeps talking though..

ORconservative on December 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM

The empty suit wants an empty bill so he can put an empty signature on it.

Visuals.

ted c on December 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM

“Hey, Craig…wha..what’s this we’re signin’?”

Signatures.

ted c on December 8, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Obama is only interest in getting one job saved or created in the Oval office, even if it costs $2.5T per job.

pedestrian on December 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Ok…

So Jon is obviously upset with something. What did Obama do to make this man upset to the point of divulging information like this to reporters over the phone?

I LIKE IT!

upinak on December 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Yeah, hurry up and get him to sign something–an executive order, a bill, a football, a basketball, some kids Tshirt—that gitmo exec order ought to be a good reminder of how haste in signing really makes things lots better.

//s off//

ted c on December 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

How about a pink slip~for ALL OF YOU?!?!?!

HornetSting on December 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Anytime I read “progressives” I know the lies are getting shoveled deep and heavy.

bbz123 on December 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM

fogw on December 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

I think you’re right. This could be very ugly and a real eye-opener for the uninitiated.

Pass the popcorn.

Cody1991 on December 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Obama probably told Jon he couldn’t/wouldn’t do anything to help Conyer’s wife.

kingsjester on December 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Gasp out loud! Not only is a DEM questioning The Big O, he’s an African-American DEM to boot.

I think this is Stage 1 of pending Obama administration meltdown.

fogw on December 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

+1

Oink on December 8, 2009 at 3:43 PM

I think this is Stage 1 of pending Obama administration meltdown.

fogw on December 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

I wonder who is holding the pail of water?

upinak on December 8, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Ok…

So Jon is obviously upset with something. What did Obama do to make this man upset to the point of divulging information like this to reporters over the phone?

I LIKE IT!

upinak on December 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

I could explain it to you, but it would have to be a private conversation. If you lived where I do, it would be obvious. (hint, hint, wink, wink)

Cody1991 on December 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Hows your wife doing Sen Conyers ?

macncheez on December 8, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Disturbing thought: Conjugal visits.

juanito on December 8, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Ogabe will sign anything and the media scumbags will proclaim it the greatest event since time began.

Bishop on December 8, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Conyers problem is he isn’t talking to the right person in the WhiteHouse. The people in charge of the Country are Rahm Emmanuel or David Axelrod.

portlandon on December 8, 2009 at 3:46 PM

It became clear during the August recess that the White House would sign just about anything Congress managed to produce, as they became desperate for a legislative victory. That desperation has only increased as job losses mount and the administration is seen as blind to the real priorities of Americans and tone-deaf on its spending in a time of already-massive deficits.

BKeyser on December 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Newsflash from the North Pole

In keeping with the spirit and theme of this years bailouts , handouts , and amnesty, Santa Claus has decided to give amnesty to all naughty children so that they can get a free handout as well.. However due to a lack of planning and resources available, Santa will have to cut back on how many toys each good child receives. For this reason, toys will have to be rationed in order to make sure that every child gets a toy this year.. (Hmm! doesn’t this sound familiar?)

Please, tell your children to shorten their letters to Santa and not get their hopes up too much because the toy they really want may be going to, Tommy the Tease, or Patty the Pouter , or Bernardo the illegal Border Crosser. Also, good children may have to wait until next year for the toy they want due to a waiting list on some toys. We would also ask that you remind your child that Christmas is about giving not getting. Have a Merry Christmas! Ho! Ho! Ho!

patriotparty1 on December 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM

What an incredible bunch of dips . . ts.

rplat on December 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Conyers is a racist uncle tom

winston on December 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM

First came Conyers, Then came Jesse

Here comes the bill it’s gonna be messy.

SouthernGent on December 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Dem Civil War

pass the popcorn

faraway on December 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM

And it only took this guy 1 year to catch on. Sarah Palin and us good guys knew it a couple of years ago.

Herb on December 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Ok…

So Jon is obviously upset with something. What did Obama do to make this man upset to the point of divulging information like this to reporters over the phone?

I LIKE IT!

upinak on December 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Whatever Obama did to Conyers, I hope he does it to Bawnie Fwank so we know about the whole banking mess going on

macncheez on December 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM

while the White House offered a more circumspect “no comment”:

That’s unprecedented.

MarkTheGreat on December 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Ooops…

It became clear during the August recess that the White House would sign just about anything Congress managed to produce, as they became desperate for a legislative victory. That desperation has only increased as job losses mount and the administration is seen as blind to the real priorities of Americans and tone-deaf on its spending in a time of already-massive deficits.

BKeyser on December 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM

I could explain it to you, but it would have to be a private conversation. If you lived where I do, it would be obvious. (hint, hint, wink, wink)

Cody1991 on December 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

I know nothing of what you speak. wink wink!

upinak on December 8, 2009 at 3:49 PM

John Conyers represents part of Detroit and southern and western Wayne county in Michigan. He represents the people that were standing in line for “Obama’s money”. He apparently is in a hurry for single payer and it is looking like it will not materialize any time soon.
He’s angry. His far left dream is going up in smoke and he thinks it is Obama’s fault.
The funny part, besides his wing dingy wife, is that the far left ideas of his dreams created the swamp that is Detroit. But Conyers doesn’t care, he lives like an elite, sending his children to the most expensive of schools.
He is furious with Obama and will not shut up, I hope.

ORconservative on December 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM

What a curse that America has to suffer the likes of these stumblebums being in charge.

Edouard on December 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM

and get some competition to 1,300 other health insurance companies

That’s about as perfect an example of self-refutation as I have ever seen.

MarkTheGreat on December 8, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Dem Civil War

pass the popcorn

faraway on December 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Wasn’t he one of the guys declaring last week that the Republican party was in the process of tearing itself apart?

MarkTheGreat on December 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM

So what is Conyers going to get for his little tirade…?

d1carter on December 8, 2009 at 3:56 PM

and get some competition to 1,300 other health insurance companies

That’s about as perfect an example of self-refutation as I have ever seen.

MarkTheGreat on December 8, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Tied for the number one spot with Joe “We got to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt” Biden.

Track-A-'Crat on December 8, 2009 at 3:59 PM

What am I signing, Radar?

Mr. D on December 8, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Jesse Jackson isn’t feeling the love either. There is trouble in the ranks because there isn’t enough Obama money that is getting distributed. Not only that, there are not any jobs. Women and minorities hardest hit! Tearing down a nation takes time and some aren’t willing to wait that long.

BetseyRoss on December 8, 2009 at 4:01 PM

I am dumbstuck by the idiocy of this comment:

The public option … is the only way you manage cost and get some competition to 1,300 other health insurance companies

DaveS on December 8, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Yikes.

Tonto turns on Lone Ranger.

I think this is Stage 1 of pending Obama administration meltdown.

fogw on December 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

No. This is exactly the case of Tonto 1 vs. Tonto 2.

TheAlamos on December 8, 2009 at 4:04 PM

I know nothing of what you speak. wink wink!

upinak on December 8, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Well, it’s obvious that Conyers expected solidarity from Barry based on his perception that BO is a ‘progressive’, i.e. socialist, and racial solidarity. That’s the way it’s supposed to work in Conyers’ world. But Barry the Lizard isn’t playing (or can’t) by the rules Conyers understands. For Conyers the rules were very simple. Barry uses them, but in his position it’s a bit harder to constantly bludgeon and harass the citizenry when they have to foot the bill – at least on a national scale.

Cody1991 on December 8, 2009 at 4:04 PM

It’s been obvious for months that Obambi doesn’t care what’s in the bill.

NeighborhoodCatLady on December 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Looks like the Majority Whip is about to pay a visit to Mr. Conyers lol

bluelightbrigade on December 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Conyers is a RACIST!!!

Oh, wait…….

Dominion on December 8, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Conyers is a RACIST!!!

Oh, wait…….

Dominion on December 8, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Just because he’s black, doesn’t mean he’s not a racist.

bluelightbrigade on December 8, 2009 at 4:11 PM

I am dumbstuck by the idiocy of this comment:

The public option … is the only way you manage cost and get some competition to 1,300 other health insurance companies

DaveS on December 8, 2009 at 4:01 PM

I saw that too. But at his age, he’d have been retired by now and put to pasture. HE can’t be expected to make sense anymore…I smell a meme developing on the Left.

bluelightbrigade on December 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Jesse Jackson isn’t feeling the love either. There is trouble in the ranks because there isn’t enough Obama money that is getting distributed. Not only that, there are not any jobs. Women and minorities hardest hit! Tearing down a nation takes time and some aren’t willing to wait that long.

BetseyRoss on December 8, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Yep. A lot of people think BO has a “stash” to hand out even though they never question Jackson’s stash. Where did all that money go? I digress…..

Cody1991 on December 8, 2009 at 4:14 PM

And now you know the meaning of Obama’s shuck and jive act … all he wants is the program. Like with all these 2000 page bills, they write themselves after they are passed.

Last ones to figure it out are the fist residents of the new Obama gulags.

tarpon on December 8, 2009 at 4:18 PM

I guess they will have to change the name from Obamacare to Obamanocare.

Corsair on December 8, 2009 at 4:18 PM

What am I signing, Radar?

Mr. D on December 8, 2009 at 4:00 PM

A one-way ticket to Iowa for Pvt. Charles Lamb ….

Jerome Horwitz on December 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Obama didn’t care what was in TARP; he didn’t care what was in the stimulus; he doesn’t care what’s in health care; he won’t care what’s in cap-and-trade or immigration reform. For that matter, he’s not to concerned about the details in Afghanistan. One might even say that he’s lacking “intellectual curiosity.”

Get out of his way, man, he’s accomplishing things!!!

notropis on December 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM

We established a long time ago that Barack Obama doesn’t care about anything or anyone other than himself. Why should he care what’s in the health care bill?

Ricohoc on December 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Anybody else see the irony in this statement by Conyers?

“get some competition to 1,300 other health insurance companies”

I guess 1,300 compettiros are not enough to qualify as competition, eh?

The Opinionator on December 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Anybody else see the irony in this statement by Conyers?

“get some competition to 1,300 other health insurance companies”

I guess 1,300 compettiros are not enough to qualify as competition, eh?

You forget that the Libs think that those 1300 have a monopoly. LOL Wouldn’t all the drug companies combined be a monopoly by that definition? Wouldn’t all the airlines combined be a monopoly by that example?

These morons don’t even know basic economic principles and they’re writing our laws. They must go.

Ricohoc on December 8, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Anybody else see the irony in this statement by Conyers?

The Opinionator on December 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Scroll up.

notropis on December 8, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Black voters are the only demographic group with whom Obama’s approval numbers have never dropped significantly, hovering above 90 percent as support in other segments has dropped by double digits

Hmm – might one wonder if black voters are racists who only consider the color of his skin?

katiejane on December 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Dhimmicrat donkass: “I’m melting. I’m melting.”

davidk on December 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM

The most troubling part of this post- the polling numbers for Obama among non-whites, and especially blacks.

The data gives two possible stories- either whites are hopelessly idiotic in their refusal to see Obama as the messiah that he is. Or, more likely, a massive majority of black Americans simply refuse to use critical thinking skills if the topic is someone who shares their basic general skin tone.

What other explanation can you possibly come up with?

Black Americans have been, historically, stubborn in following the advice of MLK when he talked about looking to content of one’s character instead of the color of their skin. This stubbornness has resulted in the worst president in a generation. I wish more black Americans were less likely to have such a knee jerk reaction when it comes to skin tone. It’s as if you need only mention someone is black, and you’ve got the backing of 90% of black Americans, no matter how inept the person is.

TheBlueSite on December 8, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Ricohoc on December 8, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Had we only know that 1301 was the lucky number!

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Ok…

So Jon is obviously upset with something. What did Obama do to make this man upset to the point of divulging information like this to reporters over the phone?

I LIKE IT!

upinak on December 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/71075-conyers-obama-told-me-to-stop-demeaning-him

President Obama told me to stop ‘demeaning’ him, says Rep. Conyers

President Barack Obama recently called Rep. John Conyers Jr. to express his frustrations with the Judiciary Committee chairman’s criticism.

In an interview with The Hill, Conyers said his opinions of Obama’s policies on healthcare reform and the war in Afghanistan have not sat well with the president.

According to the lawmaker, the president picked up the phone several weeks ago to find out why Conyers was “demeaning” him.

Obama’s decision to challenge Conyers highlights a sensitivity to criticism the president has taken on the left. Conyers’s critical remarks, many of which have been reported on the liberal-leaning Huffington Post, appear to have irritated the president, known for his calm demeanor.

Conyers, the second-longest-serving member of the House, said, “[Obama] called me and told me that he heard that I was demeaning him and I had to explain to him that it wasn’t anything personal, it was an honest difference on the issues. And he said, ‘Well, let’s talk about it.’”

pseudonominus on December 8, 2009 at 4:40 PM

What other explanation can you possibly come up with?

TheBlueSite on December 8, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Probably several, but the one with the best supporting evidence is black loyalty to the Democratic Party — which represents a different form of racism, and it involves black-on-black pressure to remain loyal to a group.

Bill Clinton enjoyed similar support from blacks throughout his many scandals, leading some idiot commentators to call him our nation’s “first black president.”

Al Gore likewise drew 90+% of the black vote, in spite of his ridiculous “angry black preacher” sermons delivered at black churches in 2000, which made him look dorkier than anyone since Ross Perot at the NAACP.

John Kerry was so hopelessly inept that he had to consign his “black outreach” to Silky, but they still managed 90+%.

On the other hand, no black Republican would come close to a 90% approval rating among blacks, no matter what policies they support….

notropis on December 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM

The public option is only available, which is the only way you manage cost and get some competition to 1,300 other health insurance companies,

Does anyone else see the irony in that statement? LOL
I see that I’m not the only one to point that out, but I’ll report anyways because it is worth it.

Conyers is right, he is only concerned with saying that he signed a healthcare bill. I do wonder if a bill was put together with portability and tort reform if he would still sign it just for the photo op…

jeffn21 on December 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Anyone in business can tell you a story about some guy they knew who was a “deal maker.” Most will tell you that these guys are “bad news.” Make no mistake, deals need to be made but these types of “deal makers” don’t care what is in the deal as long as there is a deal.

It’s not hard to see how these “deal makers” can be bad. You have a “deal” for a merge or buyout, a factory is closed, dozens if not hundreds of people lose their jobs .. all because this guy want to make his “deal.” He cares nothing about anybody that gets stepped on.

These guys are what gives business a bad name.

And here is John Conyers telling us that our President, a member of his political party, is a “deal maker.” He knows what this means, but most Americans are just beginning to find out.

J_Crater on December 8, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Based on what Conyous just said, I would logically conclude he would not vote for such a bill. I guess I am badly confused here. Or Conyous is. I go with the latter.

You congress dudes sit your arses down and read the bill as we Americans expect you to. Stop complaining about not reading the bill and read it already. If you are too stupid to even TRY to read the bill, then just go home and trim the tree.

But they have a point. The bill ain`t worth the paper it is printed on and less. And all of those poor trees that bit the dust for this piece of socialist crap are unhappy and crying to algore for relief!

Yeah, why read a crappy socialist bill?

It just isn`t American.

And it is not Democracy in action, either.

Sherman1864 on December 8, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Yikes.

Tonto turns on Lone Ranger.

I think this is Stage 1 of pending Obama administration meltdown.

fogw on December 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

One can hope anyway. Let’s face it, sooner or later these people are going to get sick of this nonsense. Oh, and they read the polls, unlike Gibbsy.

JusDreamin on December 8, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Conyers is right, he is only concerned with saying that he signed a healthcare bill. I do wonder if a bill was put together with portability and tort reform if he would still sign it just for the photo op…

jeffn21 on December 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Say, now there is a thought Jeff. If these clowns really want to make a deal, I have a deal for them. One that would actually create competition and reduce costs. Naw, never fly…

JusDreamin on December 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM

notropis on December 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I was thinking along the lines of OJ Simpson…the black support there was huge, and it was based, no doubt, on his skin tone and little else.

Plus, democratic support for Obama is nowhere near the levels of black support.

No doubt, blacks are wed to the democratic party, and for the most part I think it comes down to what the polling data consistently shows- massive support among blacks for welfare programs. Any time a politician promises to pay your way through yet another welfare program, unfortunately blacks tend to support the program. The data shows that is a consistent among black voters.

I do think that there is usually just an obsession with skin color for a majority of blacks. The so-called black leaders of this country (Sharpton and Jackson mainly) enjoy support from most blacks (if the polls are to be believed).

No matter- it all spells trouble. I don’t know anything that even comes close in comparison- the seeming refusal to actively participate in the dialogue, just giving what seems to be blind loyalty to one side of the issue.

TheBlueSite on December 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM

“That is essentially what Rahm Emanuel has said: Just give us anything and we will declare victory,” said Conyers

Is he talking about ObamaCare or Afghanistan? It’s hard to tell…

ya2daup on December 8, 2009 at 6:35 PM

I love it when they eat their own!

xler8bmw on December 8, 2009 at 6:37 PM

I’m getting to like Conyers; he just blurts out whatever is floating around his head at any given time. Even if it’s against Teh One.

PattyJ on December 8, 2009 at 7:19 PM

The public option is only available, which is the only way you manage cost

Since when has the government managed costs?

and get some competition to 1,300 other health insurance companies,

So the 1,300 don’t compete with each other? Well I would say they certainly do and would do so even more if congress were to let them compete across state lines.

BTW, when is he going to say that government schools don’t compete with each other?

the only way he could have got that through is that progressives held their nose and voted for it anyway.

I’t is getting beyond tiresome to hear these morons and psychopaths calling themselves progressives as they are regressives. Liberal ain’t any better as they are illiberal.

MB4 on December 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Well, hand them a loss and let them declare that a victory.

Spin.

ted c on December 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Do you think they won’t? It wouldn’t be the first time. Hell, it wouldn’t even be the first time it worked!

runawayyyy on December 9, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Conyers’ comments aren’t helping Michelle Obama’s kids.

Lothar on December 11, 2009 at 9:38 AM