Boxer: If ObamaCare covers Viagra, why shouldn’t it cover abortion?

posted at 5:34 pm on December 8, 2009 by Allahpundit

Because … no one has grave moral reservations about treating sexual dysfunction? Or is pregnancy itself a sexual “dysfunction” in this analogy?

The clip comes via The Hill. Even better than the Viagra comparison is her insinuation of a gender double standard perpetrated by dastardly male senators, never mind the fact that more women now call themselves pro-life than pro-choice. Or at least, that’s what Gallup claims. And you know how those little babies at Gallup can be.

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The better equivalence, slightly, would be \/iagra to birth control pills.

alwaysfiredup on December 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM

The “Shwing & Scrape” argument?

trl on December 8, 2009 at 6:25 PM

It shouldn’t be covering a placebo the first place.

If you can’t get going with a willing woman and a bottle of whiskey, you should go to bed alone.

Don’t expect me to pay for your lack of ability to win being a healthy man.

Try your own gender next time.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 6:25 PM

WTF is wrong with this site? It’s so PC a person has to keep couching words.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 6:26 PM

IDIOCRACY – its happening.

Firefly_76 on December 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Still more lefty brain trust. How do we lose to these people?

ronsfi on December 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM

I really wish they’d put a gong out on the Senate floor . . .

Ingenue on December 8, 2009 at 6:20 PM

I wish they’d put an alligator pit on the Senate floor and have an immediate vote after one these buffoons produces a steaming pile of $hit like this….

In you go moron…..

BigWyo on December 8, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Abortion Kills!
And, we are NOT going to pay for the two bags that your husband has to put over your head to have sex with you, ma’am.

HornetSting on December 8, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Nor the other two bags he has to put over his head just in case yours slip off, ma’am.

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 6:33 PM

I know Reid, Dodd and Boxer are all up for re-election next year. It would be awesomely-awesome if all three went down, but if I had to choose one that I would love to see lose it would be Boxer.

Being from California, I am embarrassed every time I see this idiot speak. I’ll be donating to Chuck Devore. He’s a pretty solid conservative and I don’t mean that in a “California, liberal-conservative” sort of way. I mean he’s a legit conservative.

JohnInCA on December 8, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Knowing Boxer’s Northern California’s wildly wacko liberal constituency, Fiorina has a snowball’s chance in hell of unseating Boxer. Boxer is invincible and she knows it.

Sad, but true.

marybel on December 8, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Ha! This coming from a lady who wants to insert government bureaucrats between women and their docs.

doctor horton on December 8, 2009 at 6:37 PM

IDIOCRACY – its happening.

Firefly_76 on December 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Brought to you by Carl’s Jr.

Erich66 on December 8, 2009 at 6:38 PM

IDIOCRACY – its happening.

Firefly_76 on December 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Right on! Great movie!

MCGIRV on December 8, 2009 at 6:38 PM

All right, since moderation doesn’t seem to want to happen:

The answer, Babs, is that \/iagra helps create life, and abortion destroys lives. That’s what this health care bill is supposed to be about, right? Saving lives? Then what the f**k are you thinking?

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 6:38 PM

How many brain/mind transplants will Obamacare cover???

Pensees on December 8, 2009 at 6:39 PM

If you can’t get going with a willing woman and a bottle of whiskey, you should go to bed alone.
Don’t expect me to pay for your lack of ability to win being a healthy man.
Try your own gender next time.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Well said, but I would add that if your woman’s so ugly you can’t get it up, run her for the Senate of Calfornia or Maine, and get yourself a chipee like one of Tiger’s.

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 6:40 PM

All right, since moderation doesn’t seem to want to happen: is just liberalism among those who fear being called liberal

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 6:38 PM

FIFY

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Boxer must be Latin for “moron”

dirtseller on December 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Well said, but I would add that if your woman’s so ugly you can’t get it up, run her for the Senate of Calfornia or Maine, and get yourself a chipee like one of Tiger’s.

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 6:40 PM

That’s why God also made the night, light switches, and bags of both paper and plastic.

Even us ‘evil’ cons have standards.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Pro-choice Democrats are racists. They want poor black and brown women to have abortions. Why?

huckleberryfriend on December 8, 2009 at 6:44 PM

There are 4 times as many petition signatures to recall Boxhead than are required by Commiefornia law for a recall election yet Secretary of State, Debra Bowen basically threw the petitions in the trash, and WHY? Because Bowen is named for recall as is A.G. Jerry Brown, Arnie Schwartzenkennedy, 1/2 the State’s Legislature and BOTH U.S. Senators.
Where do you go when basically EVERYONE in the State’s Government are corrupt

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Pro-choice Democrats are racists. They want poor black and brown women to have abortions. Why?

huckleberryfriend on December 8, 2009 at 6:44 PM

AND BABYKILLERS

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 6:46 PM

This is really insane.

If a guy can’t get it up on his own by an offer by Britney Spears, it’s okay to kill unborn babies.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Proving once again that despite stiff competition, she’s the stupidest person on Capitol Shrill.

NNtrancer on December 8, 2009 at 6:49 PM

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Smith & Wesson???

BigWyo on December 8, 2009 at 6:49 PM

FIFY

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Um…I was talking about my earlier post not having come through HA’s comment moderation.

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Let’s try this you libs:

We don’t pay for ‘male enhancement’

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Proving once again that despite stiff competition, she’s the stupidest person on Capitol Shrill.

NNtrancer on December 8, 2009 at 6:49 PM

NOPE, not even close, Boxhead isn’t even the most stupid person in Congress from Commiefornia, that goes to Lois Capps.
CHECH THIS OUT, start at 2:38 of the video. The person YELLING at her is ME.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB3bEcXyf_k

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Senator Ma’am, you can kindly go jump off the Golden Gate bridge.

There are certain medical conditions that can render a man unable to “get it up.” The man doesn’t choose to have one of these medical conditions. And if you were a man and had one of these conditions you would know how offensive your asinine statement is.

Excepting rape or incest, there is always a choice involved in pregnancy.

FAIL.

Go screw yourself.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Smith & Wesson???

BigWyo on December 8, 2009 at 6:49 PM

I’ve been calling for that for a couple of years and I’m NOT going to be the LONE RANGER.

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Clarification – there is always an ELEMENT of choice for a woman. If she is forced by a husband or boyfriend, then the concept of rape comes into play.

But to compare male impotence and the right to murder a baby at will is willful evil absurdity.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Excepting rape or incest, there is always a choice involved in pregnancy. cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 6:54 PM

NOPE even rape and incest don’t pass the muster to murder and there are myriad sound reasons why.

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Let’s face it: Lib are the most vile people in the world, as they show themselves here on this site. They won’t even decry the worst of what their friends post here against the rest of us.

Boxer is no different; no lib here or there is outside their bastion.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Excepting rape or incest, there is always a choice involved in pregnancy. cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 6:54 PM

NAMBLA would probably argue that. And remember: NABLA is featured in every gay rights parade.

What does that tell America?

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:00 PM

nelsonknows,

read my comment again before popping off.

you read it wrong.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:02 PM

NOPE even rape and incest don’t pass the muster to murder and there are myriad sound reasons why.

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Forcing a woman to bear the child of a rapist is morally unjust.

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 7:02 PM

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:02 PM

I DID read it wrong, my apologies!

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Forcing a woman to bear the child of a rapist is morally unjust.

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Murdering a baby is acceptable? Isn’t that like killing the hog because a weasel got into the chicken coop?

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 7:06 PM

no prob, i can tell the issue really gets your blood up. no shame.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:06 PM

In defense of Boxer, she lives in an echo chamber. She really doesn’t debate anyone, she just lectures them from her perch. She has a staff, who, I trust, are suitably obsequious, and she gets to meet with lobbyists, who, no doubt, try their best to agree with whatever sort of nonsense she drools. Alas, the end result is that the woman simply never developed the ability to think critically, and assumes that any thought which flits into her head is as profound as her stooges and flunkies tell her it is.

morganfrost on December 8, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Murdering a baby is acceptable? Isn’t that like killing the hog because a weasel got into the chicken coop?

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Easy there. The comment you’re answering is a liberal trap.

Suggestion? Drop it.

I’ll explain myself later.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:08 PM

I’d line to give that hose bag a big stiffy..

..come to think about it, no I wouldn’t.

VoyskaPVO on December 8, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Yeah because rubbing one out is the same as snuffing one out.

- The Cat

MirCat on December 8, 2009 at 7:09 PM

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Wow…that video rocked…I’d hazard a guess that at least 80% of congress (100% of the White House) is every bit as out to lunch as that dumbasss…

God Lord……

BigWyo on December 8, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Or Good Lord…..

A ‘from the heart’ response would end up in ‘That’s a bannin”

BigWyo on December 8, 2009 at 7:10 PM

nelsonknows,

it’s a hell of a tough issue. my take on it is that the women of America should make the final decision as a group, not men. i’m not talking about each woman deciding for herself- I’m saying let the women of society vote/legislate the solution, etc.

because no man will ever know what it’s like to carry a baby inside them, and then to raise that child without benefit of the father because the father raped the woman and forced that permanent, unalterable complete change in the rest of her life (forcing her to raise the child of a man who took it from her).

i’m a man and i’m not looking for an argument here. just saying that i don’t know if men can fully choose.

let the women of america as a group make the call on how our society deals with abortion/rape and we men will be the referees if they start shooting at each other during the debate!

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:11 PM

It’s funny–according to libs, if you can’t get it up, they should be paying to murder babies while at the same time covering a male’s inability to get it up.

What am I missing here? Any lib care to ‘enlighten’ me on this?

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:11 PM

OMG Is there anyone more detestable? These libs give one kick in the nuts after another. Jeez.

marklmail on December 8, 2009 at 7:12 PM

I can’t believe ANYONE here is suggesting that drugs like this should be a ‘right’ and covered under this outrageous bill.

If your face is falling and you need botoux…that should be WAY outside of any ‘healthcare’ bill.
If you can’t get it up, that, TOO, should be WAY outside of any healthcare bill.
botoux…..Viououiogra…..all the same to me. You can’t get it up? Get over it. Don’t ask a taxpayer to help you out.

All of this is just so absurd..
(I spelled botooox and viiiagrrra wrong because HotAir won’t let me post the real words)

bridgetown on December 8, 2009 at 7:12 PM

This woman is disgraceful, and dumb as a bucket of rocks.

Terrye on December 8, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Wow…that video rocked…I’d hazard a guess that at least 80% of congress (100% of the White House) is every bit as out to lunch as that dumbasss…

God Lord……

BigWyo on December 8, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Further info on the video, the town hall meeting was at a Black Liberation Theology Church (see Jeremiah Wright) with 47 cops and 6 Secret Service agents threatening arrest of anyone who critisized Lois Capps. (notice I just couldn’t keep my moth shut)

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM

This woman is disgraceful, and dumb as a bucket of rocks.

Terrye on December 8, 2009 at 7:12 PM

You just insulted rocks. Or the bucket holding them?

You’re now a pailist. And a rockest.

Evil one!

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM

<blockquotecane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Then men should be absolved of ALL financial responsibility and that should be the case under Roe V Wade because women have TOTAL reproductive rights and even a husband cannot stop his wife from aborting his child.

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Then men should be absolved of ALL financial responsibility and that should be the case under Roe V Wade because women have TOTAL reproductive rights and even a husband cannot stop his wife from aborting his child.

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 7:17 PM

That’s sexist.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:18 PM

bridgetown:

i assume that you believe that if your knee somehow suddenly locked and you needed surgery so that you could walk without the inconvenience of a stiff leg that won’t bend, it should be covered.

what if you had a disease that interfered with your ability to “get it up” so that you could have a child. do you think that the ability to take a pill and then be able to have a child should be denied?

#1, the knee surgery would be a lot more expensive.
#2, if your logic holds, then NO congenital condition or disease that interferes with basic function such as walking, talking, and yes, procreating, should be covered.

obviously you’re a troll, because you couldn’t be serious about this.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:19 PM

the taxpayers then should not have to contribute to bridgetown’s wellness exam.

after all, if bridgetown has a congenital condition, it’s TOO DAMN BAD

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Then men should be absolved of ALL financial responsibility and that should be the case under Roe V Wade because women have TOTAL reproductive rights and even a husband cannot stop his wife from aborting his child

.

How silly to use such logic and reason when the entire abortion thing was merely a payoff to buy feminist votes at the expense of just fifty million innocent lives.

Don L on December 8, 2009 at 7:23 PM

nelsonknows,

i was not speaking of the individual woman.

you seem to be thinking too narrowly about everything i say.

i am speaking in broader terms that if you were a woman and a man broke in a brutally raped you and you saw his face in your child every day and you had no support from the man because he was in jail and also is your worst nightmare, it might be a very, very tough call.

as a man, i don’t think I’m equipped to make the call.

if you feel qualified to make that call on behalf of women in general, than more power to you.

i myself don’t think I can draw the line in thaty case. it take the women or society duking it out to find the best solution to this nagging problem that is the bane of blogs everywhere! :-D

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:25 PM

NOPE even rape and incest don’t pass the muster to murder and there are myriad sound reasons why.

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Forcing a woman to bear the child of a rapist is morally unjust.

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Murdering an innocent for the crimes of his father is morally unjust. Ask yourself this: Is justice served by ending the life of anyone who did not commit the rape?

Goldenavatar on December 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM

nelsonknows,

well, now I didn’t read YOU carefully.

i hear what you’re saying. Roe v. Wade is broken, that’s for sure.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM

How silly to use such logic and reason when the entire abortion thing was merely a payoff to buy feminist votes at the expense of just fifty million innocent lives.

I used to be liberal, in favor of abortion. Then when my bride told me was going to have a baby…

I stopped believing in abortion on the spot. And the result of that is my son. He has his won bride now, and my second granddaughter.

I’ll never regret the stoppage of me being a liberal. I have treasures I’ll never let go.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:29 PM

hear what you’re saying. Roe v. Wade is broken murder of babies, that’s for sure.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM

What I have come to believe, having used to be a lib.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Goldenavatar.

this is precisely why in the case of rape, one cannot totally remove the right of a woman to abort.

otherwise, then you, personally, should be willing to sign a pledge helping to financially support her, as her life is now thrown drastically off track and instead of making a good living, she’s at home raising a baby as a single parent while getting food stamps and welfare.

i’m sorry, i’m just not comfortable with the absolutists when it comes to the question of rape.

i also believe if an abortion must be done, then of course it must be done very, very early.

i do not believe publicly funded abortion should be allowed except when there is a clear danger to the mother, or in the case of a clear-cut brutal rape by a stranger, not a pissed off girlfriend

but if now one wants to get into the subject of killing a soul, instead of ending a mortal life, then that of course opens a whole different avenue of debate, one which I don’t have time for at this moment

we each have our opinions

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:33 PM

no one with a heart aborts a baby except in the case of stranger-rape or high danger to the mother

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:34 PM

well, also in case severe, terminal birth defects are clearly found.

and i’m not talking down’s syndrome. my first cousin has down’s and no way should he have been aborted.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM

touche LOL

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Liberalism steals treasures, either of gold or of that beloved baby you helped create and now hold in your arms.

Libs claim to love so much. But WHY are they so flippant about murdering the unborn?

What is wrong with them?

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:39 PM

no one with a heart aborts a baby except in the case of stranger-rape or high danger to the mother

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:34 PM

So no abortion if she knows the rapist
?

CWforFreedom on December 8, 2009 at 7:39 PM

You know, this is by far the absolutely no-contest mostest stupidest idiot EVER elected to congress. I can’t freaking believe that people are so STUPID as to vote this abortion of a women into congress in the first place.

royzer on December 8, 2009 at 7:40 PM

and i’m not talking down’s syndrome. my first cousin has down’s and no way should he have been aborted.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM

A liberal will tell you otherwise. Or ‘counsel’ you.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:40 PM

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM

To put this in better perspective, when your WIFE aborts your child, and you cannot legally stop this in court, it might give you a different perspective on the whole matter, it sure did for myself.

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 7:41 PM

A man has NO right to get aid to get his pecker hard. If his babe can’t do it for him, she needs to find a better man.

As for abortion–if the female can’t deal with a baby, don’t get preggers. You females have a gazillion ways to prevent it now, in the 21st Century. Abortion no longer needs to be an issue.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:46 PM

The better equivalence, slightly, would be \/iagra to birth control pills.
alwaysfiredup on December 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM

I didn’t realize being fertile was a medical disorder.

agmartin on December 8, 2009 at 7:47 PM

nelson, i am not taking issue with the fact that the current system is broken.

to put it plainly and simply, on-demand abortion should not be publically funded, aside from my above caveats.

whether a wife should be able to go out and privately do that? i don’t know. women have done that for thousands of years, so it may be as hard to ban private abortion as prostitution. i’m sorry it happened to you. i would be crushed if it happened to me.

and if she knows the rapist, that’s another gray area.

there’s a psychological difference between being raped by a known person and a stranger. there just is. yes, i arbitrarily made a distinction in my thinking. but i did so knowing that if the rapist is known, it’s more possible that something can be worked out. but the horror of a stranger rape can completely destroy a woman much more easily. and so that’s why i lean toward making an exception in bad cases.

just my thinking- no one has to agree.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Won’t this hysterical female just shut her pie hole!

AcronisF on December 8, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Then men should be absolved of ALL financial responsibility and that should be the case under Roe V Wade because women have TOTAL reproductive rights and even a husband cannot stop his wife from aborting his child.

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 7:17 PM

A little over 18 years ago, I went to court and successfully stopped my now ex-wife and her doctor from aborting my son. So, it can be done if the guy has the desire, resources, and perserverance to do so.

But, it wasn’t easy… yet I was willing to unleash hell before I let a selfish woman kill my baby. It took two to tango and, sadly, one to pay for it.

Was it worth it? Well, the son whom I raised, no help from his mother, is a straight-A student with scholarship offers from all over the country. A very good kid, all around, and I was blessed.

Moral to the story: Every baby inside that mother deserves a chance.

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 7:52 PM

If Sen. Ma’am is reelected in 2010, then California deserves whatever it gets.

The red counties should secede from the blue counties. California’s too big to be justly governed anyway without being broken into 2 or 3 states.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Barbara Boxer…..strong supporter of baby killing.

MMMMM, I notice that she actually is a strong advocate for not allowing babies to do the same thing she is doing….speaking freely….and emitting CO2.

Nah, no irony there.

PappyD61 on December 8, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Won’t this hysterical female just shut her pie hole!

AcronisF on December 8, 2009 at 7:51 PM

That’s her only way to be noticed, to get some press and other attention.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:54 PM

TXUS,

I am glad that you fought so hard. Your son will never know the battle you fought. But you certainly changed the world, one life at a time.

cane_loader on December 8, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Moral to the story: Every baby inside that mother deserves a chance.

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 7:52 PM

I don’t know what to say but I have an incredible amount of respect for you. Great story. I imagine like most heroes you don’t see yourself as a hero but you are and I am sure your son agrees.

CWforFreedom on December 8, 2009 at 7:56 PM

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 7:52 PM

That’s rare.

Good for you, Patriot!

God bless your household forever and always.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:57 PM

When my bride said she was pregnant, all my liberal beliefs went out the window.

When a lib hears something like that, he stays a liberal.

Any questions, you libs?

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Murdering an innocent for the crimes of his father is morally unjust. Ask yourself this: Is justice served by ending the life of anyone who did not commit the rape?

Goldenavatar on December 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM

By not forcing the woman to carry to term the product of her rape? By not forcing her to bring up the child knowing what they were a product of, or have to face giving it up and living with the guilt of that for the rest of her life? And what about the child? How will that affect their life, knowing they are the child of rape?

Yes, justice is served.

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 8:09 PM

To put this in better perspective, when your WIFE aborts your child, and you cannot legally stop this in court, it might give you a different perspective on the whole matter, it sure did for myself.

nelsonknows on December 8, 2009 at 7:41 PM

I would imagine it would give you the perspective to look a lot closer at a woman before you marry her.

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 8:12 PM

If your face is falling and you need botoux…that should be WAY outside of any ‘healthcare’ bill.
If you can’t get it up, that, TOO, should be WAY outside of any healthcare bill.
botoux…..Viououiogra…..all the same to me. You can’t get it up? Get over it. Don’t ask a taxpayer to help you out.

bridgetown on December 8, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Erectile dysfunction is a medical disorder that obstructs a normal life function. Face sagging is not.

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Knowing that you helped create a life beyond your own is certainly a life-changing moment.

But you were never a real lib. We are all born with a genetic, God-given imperative for life and liberty and the desire for happiness. It’s what happens from that moment of birth on that clouds or skews those ingrained spirits.

In your case, as I suspect in many others, your wife’s kind notice of pregnancy was merely a welcome home.

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 8:17 PM

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Lucky son and lucky father. Nice ending. ( :

yoda on December 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Knowing that you helped create a life beyond your own is certainly a life-changing moment.

But you were never a real lib. We are all born with a genetic, God-given imperative for life and liberty and the desire for happiness. It’s what happens from that moment of birth on that clouds or skews those ingrained spirits.

In your case, as I suspect in many others, your wife’s kind notice of pregnancy was merely a welcome home.

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Thank you! But I was once a die-hard lib.

I thank the God of Israel, of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the Lord Jesus I learned other things of Them all.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM

I would imagine it would give you the perspective to look a lot closer at a woman before you marry her.

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 8:12 PM

I, for one, wish it were that easy. I certainly did my due dilligence but some people aren’t always what they seem to be nor how they themselves were raised. Then again, some people change, for the worse. See my comment above.

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

What does that tell America?

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 7:00 PM

If you drop something don’t pick it up.

jdkchem on December 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

By not forcing the woman to carry to term the product of her rape? By not forcing her to bring up the child knowing what they were a product of, or have to face giving it up and living with the guilt of that for the rest of her life? And what about the child? How will that affect their life, knowing they are the child of rape?

Yes, justice is served.

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Product of rape? A child isn’t a product of rape, he’s a child, created in the image of God. Do you really believe that abortion will do away with a woman’s anguish concerning the rape? No, justice isn’t served in the case of abortion.

jimmy2shoes on December 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Barbara Boxer: Baby Killer

How ironically fitting for a liberal Baby-Boomer pol.

bluelightbrigade on December 8, 2009 at 8:42 PM

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

You ever get the feeling that those who are quick to pass judgment more likely than not have never been in that boat?

jdkchem on December 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM

If you drop something don’t pick it up.

jdkchem on December 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

I just rather take it over, where our liberty is concerned.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Murdering an innocent for the crimes of his father is morally unjust. Ask yourself this: Is justice served by ending the life of anyone who did not commit the rape?

Goldenavatar on December 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM

By not forcing the woman to carry to term the product of her rape? By not forcing her to bring up the child knowing what they were a product of, or have to face giving it up and living with the guilt of that for the rest of her life? And what about the child? How will that affect their life, knowing they are the child of rape?

Yes, justice is served.

MadisonConservative on December 8, 2009 at 8:09 PM

I’m sorry but I see no justice in what you describe. Justice necessarily involves punishment, harsh or otherwise, on the offending party. In my opinion justice should involve some level of atonement as well. Nothing you’ve said indicates those things. So I conclude it is not just. Your opinion indicates that destroying the unborn infant is a just response to rape. While the rape may have caused the pregnancy, the value of the life is not determined by the means of its conception. Your second to last sentence is particularly striking. You seem to be suggesting that children of rapes would/should rather be dead. If nothing else you are definitely indicating your own opinion, subconscious or not, as to the worth of these individuals. If that’s the case then you’ve missed the point of the entire pro-life movement. It’s difficult to follow your reasoning. Individuals advocating abortion in cases of rape or incest are advocating compounding evil with evil. No one is saying it’s easy to accept the consequences of rape. Everyone who is the victim of violent crime suffers. But if I am the victim of a crime I don’t demand blood from anyone except the perpetrator. And mercy may prevent me from even that.

Don’t take this as a personal attack. I just believe further consideration will eventually change your opinion. I say that because I used to believe as you do. But what is right is also immutable.

Cheers!

Goldenavatar on December 8, 2009 at 8:44 PM

How ironically fitting for a liberal Baby-Boomer Pol Pot.

bluelightbrigade on December 8, 2009 at 8:42 PM

It seems more poetic and accurate.

jdkchem on December 8, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Barbara Boxer: Baby Killer

bluelightbrigade on December 8, 2009 at 8:42 PM

It ain’t killing babies! It’s ‘freedom’!

~chokes writing that~

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 8:44 PM

You ever get the feeling that those who are quick to pass judgment more likely than not have never been in that boat?

jdkchem on December 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM

It’s always the case, I’m afraid. Truer words never spoken.

TXUS on December 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM

The whole idea of murdering babies is the deepest kind of poison to me.

I used to be a lib and once bought into that–until by princess was pregnant. I had to decide right then: is it a baby or not?

That baby is now my son, who is now married and a father in his own right.

You libs are nothing but hateful.

Liam on December 8, 2009 at 8:50 PM

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