Rasmussen: Tea party tops GOP on generic Congressional ballot

posted at 9:30 am on December 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Rasmussen has a warning shot across the bow of Republicans who may be feeling smug about the recent lead taken by the GOP in the generic Congressional ballot.  Most people presumed that the sudden reversal had more to do with Democrats than Republicans.  However, when offered a chance at a third party comprised of Tea Party protesters, Republicans fare worse than the alternative — and Democrats win:

Running under the Tea Party brand may be better in congressional races than being a Republican.

In a three-way Generic Ballot test, the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Democrats attracting 36% of the vote. The Tea Party candidate picks up 23%, and Republicans finish third at 18%. Another 22% are undecided.

Among voters not affiliated with either major party, the Tea Party comes out on top. Thirty-three percent (33%) prefer the Tea Party candidate, and 30% are undecided. Twenty-five percent (25%) would vote for a Democrat, and just 12% prefer the GOP.

Among Republican voters, 39% say they’d vote for the GOP candidate, but 33% favor the Tea Party option.

Fortunately, there is no such thing as a Tea Party, er, Party, which Rasmussen asked respondents to assume when answering this survey.  It would take too long to form such a party, and as the results above show, it would be a self-defeating process, especially in 2010.  A split on the Right would produce another Democratic victory at a moment when Congress desperately needs a course correction from its radical, statist path.

The news here is not good at all for Republicans, however.  Even registered GOP voters split 39/33 on whether to vote for a generic candidate from their own party.  This reflects the damage done to the GOP during 2001-6, when voters thought they were electing small-government, fiscal-restraint politicians, and wound up instead with porkers who spent hand over fist.  Democrats don’t have that same kind of problem; they have 71% of their voters locked in to the party, with only 7% favoring the Tea Party brand.  Independents, as noted above, are even less enamored of the GOP, favoring the Tea Party 33/12, with 25% going Democrat.

The key in 2010 is to have the GOP represent the Tea Party brand, and the only way to do that is to firmly insist on fiscal restrain and reduction of government as the platform for the election.  The Right needs to put aside all of its usual hobby horses and focus on the message from the Tea Party movement.  If they need an excuse, call it a moment of national crisis as the Democrats attempt a takeover of the health-care and energy industries.  The next election has to be fought on those narrow terms in order to bring the GOP into line with the tea-party momentum and unite against what is clearly a fringe progressive movement to massively expand an already-broke government.

If the Republican Party can do that, these generic numbers will become formidable.  If not, expect another cycle of loss and frustration.

Update: Tom Maguire gets the zinger of the day: “Tea baggers on top in a three way.”


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I was going to copy and paste what I put in the other thread on this, but you said it way better.

Well put, Ed.

notropis on December 7, 2009 at 9:33 AM

heh heh!

tmitsss on December 7, 2009 at 9:33 AM

The Tea Party isn’t a political party. You might as well have a poll track a three way race between Dems, GOP, and Code Pink. Yeah, it’s that insane.

mizflame98 on December 7, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Msg to GOP: Keep voting for big gov’t!

artist on December 7, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Does the gop look at the polls and if they do,do they care or think they are conservative enough? I wonder.

ohiobabe on December 7, 2009 at 9:34 AM

(T)

ted c on December 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

mizflame98 on December 7, 2009 at 9:33 AM

It’s not insane as there will be people running at all levels as a 3rd choice.

- The Cat

P.S. Run offs will fix this (I’ll keep saying it until someone listens)

MirCat on December 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Among the Political Class, not a single respondent picked the Tea Party candidate

What the heck does that mean?

Johnnyreb on December 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

I repeat. Tea Party participants are trying to send a message, it’s too early for them to endorse anyone. Too many lessons to be learned by too many people in D.C. and I don’t think they believe us yet. They will go back to the status quo the minute they are secure. I am hoping they never in their lives feel secure again.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Divide and conquer – works every time.

OldEnglish on December 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

It doesn’t help when you have idiots like Tom Davis trashing conservatives and pushing “moderate/democrat-lite” republican candidates. We need real change and not the same old, same old democrats and even republicans to do any good for the country.

mozalf on December 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

What the heck does that mean?

Johnnyreb on December 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

It probably means that neither you nor I are a member of the “Political Class.”

(But other than that, I’m as mystified as you are.)

notropis on December 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Poor Rush isn’t going to be happy.

pifactorial on December 7, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Which means they’ve got enough sway to influence the GOP and control it from within.

BadgerHawk on December 7, 2009 at 9:38 AM

I think too much is being read into the results. Sure, if presented with a third party alternative many would instinctively tell a pollster sure, I’ll go for that. But that doesn’t translate into actual votes. Do the same poll but present a Lefty alternative…bet you get the same thing on the Dem side.

And what “hobby horses” is the Right supposed to put aside?

changer1701 on December 7, 2009 at 9:39 AM

The GOP needs to listen to the Tea Party frustration, and take steps to incorporate part of their agenda into the GOP platform then act on it if/when they pick up seats.

Oh, and which possible 2012 candidate is it that included references to the Tea Party movement in her book, and is speaking at the Feb. convention?

Hmmmm….

cs89 on December 7, 2009 at 9:39 AM

What was this poll a year ago? Oh, yeah, there was no such thing…. Looks like the “zero to sixty” time is pretty impressive.

CC

CapedConservative on December 7, 2009 at 9:40 AM

this poll shows that the GOP is facing the prospect of becoming the Whigs.

The liberal Bush and the idiot ROve destroyed the GOP that Reagan created. It is time we understand that bush was a liberal in most ways spending, war fighting, national security. Bush’s policies are not much difference than Obama. the only major difference between bush and Obama was on social issues and the scope of the programs.

Truthfully what is the difference between the medicare drug program and Obamacare. Or no child left behind and Obama’s Dept of Education.

Yes given the choice of bush and Obama I would choose bush but it would only slow the spread of the federal gov.

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Frum and the SH*t tards are crapping in their pant’s this morning……The GOP can not Win without the conservatives…..ha ~eat that you rino

hawkman on December 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM

They will go back to the status quo the minute they are secure. I am hoping they never in their lives feel secure again.

That pretty well nails it.

Bugler on December 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

The Right needs to put aside all of its usual hobby horses and focus on the message from the Tea Party movement.

By hobby horses you meen pro-life, freedom to bear arms, and not allowing gay marriage?

Rode Werk on December 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

It probably means that neither you nor I are a member of the “Political Class.”

(But other than that, I’m as mystified as you are.)

notropis on December 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I don’t quite get it, either, but I assume that elected politicians are too small a subset to track, so it would have to mean something broader. With so little explanation given, I’m thinking it is probably a self description.

Count to 10 on December 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

It probably means that neither you nor I are a member of the “Political Class.”

(But other than that, I’m as mystified as you are.)

notropis on December 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

It means that the TEA party has seen by the political class is anti-elites. the political class includes everyone in DC. It means the GOP elite do not embrace the TEa party. this is really not good for the GOP. If the entire GOP establishment is blind to the tEa party movement and does not support it, that can not end well for the GOP.

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

It would take too long to form such a party, and as the results above show, it would be a self-defeating process, especially in 2010.

I hope you’re right. But since when have self-defeating actions become rare in today’s politics? There’s already a Tea Party in Florida with the stated goal of running candidates against both Dems and Reps in state, local, and eventually national races.

amerpundit on December 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

The key in 2010 is to have the GOP represent the Tea Party brand, and the only way to do that is to firmly insist on fiscal restrain and reduction of government as the platform for the election. The Right needs to put aside all of its usual hobby horses and focus on the message from the Tea Party movement. If they need an excuse, call it a moment of national crisis as the Democrats attempt a takeover of the health-care and energy industries. The next election has to be fought on those narrow terms in order to bring the GOP into line with the tea-party momentum and unite against what is clearly a fringe progressive movement to massively expand an already-broke government.

If the Republican Party can do that, these generic numbers will become formidable.

Hot dog. Glad to see the obvious is obvious! :)

Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 9:44 AM

It is time to vote out anyone who has been in Washignton for more than 8 years. These people are so out of touch with all of us. Those who have made a career out of this need to go and need to go now.
The whole third party thing will not ever work IMHO. By voting 3rd party you in essence give your vote away. They never win and just end up messing things up. I don’t care if they are Repub or Dem if they have been there for over 8 years, vote them out. Time for a new change. New people, new ideas, and a real perspective on what American really want for their future and their children’s future.

milwife88 on December 7, 2009 at 9:44 AM

I don’t quite get it, either, but I assume that elected politicians are too small a subset to track, so it would have to mean something broader. With so little explanation given, I’m thinking it is probably a self description.

Count to 10 on December 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

The political class are basically the elites or at least those that think of themselves as the elites.

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:45 AM

ot a single respondent picked the Tea Party candidate

And that would be who?

Itchee Dryback on December 7, 2009 at 9:45 AM

It would take too long to form such a party, and as the results above show, it would be a self-defeating process, especially in 2010.

Sorta like nominating McCain?

CC

CapedConservative on December 7, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Here’s an explanation of the Political Class in Rasmussen polling.

amerpundit on December 7, 2009 at 9:46 AM

I don’t care if they are Repub or Dem if they have been there for over 8 years, vote them out.

That’s not a solution that works. For example, that means no Inhofe who is been anti-Gore in the Senate. Keep the good, throw out the bad.

Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Which means they’ve got enough sway to influence the GOP and control it from within.

BadgerHawk on December 7, 2009 at 9:38 AM

What Badger said!

This gives me a chill like nothing else. We need to get the libertarians back in the R fold, not the other way around.

Diane on December 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Frum and the SH*t tards are crapping in their pant’s this morning……The GOP can not Win without the conservatives…..ha ~eat that you rino

hawkman on December 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM

I would have thought that NY23 taught them that but it appears they are slow learners

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM

The key in 2010 is to have the GOP represent the Tea Party brand, and the only way to do that is to firmly insist on fiscal restrain and reduction of government as the platform for the election.

That is the way. I’m a social conservative but the key to winning is small government and less spending.

Unfortunately, the GOP won’t listen therefore a third party is probably necessary.

True_King on December 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM

As stated, that the TP’s are just a faction within the Republican party, an vocal faction that will “bend” the way the party thinks.
You may has well has taken out global warming or health care advocates from the dems.
The big news, is that combined they clean the liberals clocks…it shows that the country is more “right” leaning the left leaning…it is right to be right…

right2bright on December 7, 2009 at 9:49 AM

The Republicans
Would have to be quite stupid
To ignore this trend.

So, in other words,
It is certain that they will.
“The Stupid Party”…

Haiku Guy on December 7, 2009 at 9:49 AM

The most troubling thing is that Democrats still are at 36%. I didn’t realize that so many people in this country were on welfare or complete morons. Given what’s happened in the past year, the mindless stupidity is staggering.

orlandocajun on December 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

By hobby horses you meen pro-life, freedom to bear arms, and not allowing gay marriage?

Rode Werk on December 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM

I’m wondering that myself. I have no issue with emphasizing pocketbook issues, but I don’t like the idea of setting aside other principles.

changer1701 on December 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

That’s not a solution that works. For example, that means no Inhofe who is been anti-Gore in the Senate. Keep the good, throw out the bad.

Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 9:47 AM

For every good Inhofe as done they is a bad and the longer he is there the more bad than good he will do. Name me a politican where that is not true over the course of their careers. Power corrupts. the solution is give them less power. Which means less time with that power.
do you think the votes of OK would not elect another person like Inhofe?

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

The GOP is still stuck in the “conservatives are going to vote for us regardless” mode when more and more and more evidence suggests conservatives are looking for ACTUAL conservatives more than they are just voting Republican. NY-23 underscored that, but I’m not sure the national GOP learned the lesson it taught.

Red Cloud on December 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

The Republicans
Would have to be quite stupid
To ignore this trend.

So obviously,
They are certain to do so.
“The Stupid Party”.

Haiku Guy on December 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM

The key in 2010 is to have the GOP represent the Tea Party brand, and the only way to do that is to firmly insist on fiscal restrain and reduction of government as the platform for the election.

Sarah Palin can round the Tea Party up to make this happen.

HondaV65 on December 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Tea Party = GOP base.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM

This poll is actually horrible news for libs. Anyone who sees it any other way has got some serious blinders on.

LibTired on December 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM

I guess “the People” should just leave everything up to special interest goals then. The best way to have politicians represent you, is to let them tell you what you think and need. Makes perfect sense.
/s

Itchee Dryback on December 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Asked this in the other thread…. but…

Question.

“IF” you have a Fiscal Con “Tea Party” person running… and he is ahead of a Republican in the polls…

Will the Republican Party support that Conservative person? Even though they don’t belong to the Repub Country Club?

IE, will REPUBS split the vote?

Because that is EXACTLY what happened in NY23… the Repub Brand was more important to most of the Washington Repub Party types than a CONSERVATIVE Philosophy.

For many years, Conservatives have been asked to support Squishys or “it would be all our fault when the Dems won”…

Well… will Repubs support a Conservative who is NOT a Republican? or is Party loyalty more important than Philosophy?

Romeo13 on December 7, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Sarah Palin needs to NOT run for President.

I think she would be far more beneficial if she replaced Michael Steele.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 9:52 AM

I am opposed to a third party movement.

The Republicans need to close up shop !

Filecchio on December 7, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Hows about we get the tea party people in The RNC and The NRSC and ya know, do it right.

- The Cat

MirCat on December 7, 2009 at 9:53 AM

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

No, you’re wrong. I never punish one man for the sins of another. Inhofe’s time in the Senate has educated him AGW which he admits himself he didn’t know enough about when he first when to DC. Translated: it took time for him to educate and then become a warrior against agw. You can’t train soldiers and right when they are fighting in the front line force them to retire.

Whether or not OK would vote another Inhofe in is irrelevant, though the answer is that it’s unlikely. You don’t see Tancredo’s former seat being Tancredo II do you?

Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 9:54 AM

I’m wondering that myself. I have no issue with emphasizing pocketbook issues, but I don’t like the idea of setting aside other principles.

changer1701 on December 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I agree Ed is wrong here. We need the three legs of the stools. The problem with Bush and the GOP form 2001-2006 was not the threeleg appraoch but it was that they only used one leg of the stool. Social issue. the other two spending and national security they did not use.

Sometimes Bush played the national security issue. But his 7 years to fight 2 wars showed the lie to that.

Ed like many pundits are missing the point. We want small government less spending, a strong moral country that will protect us from the world not embrace the world. Screw the world. If other countries were so good why the hell did 98% of the people here or our forfathers move here form there?

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:54 AM

For every good Inhofe as done they is a bad and the longer he is there the more bad than good he will do.

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

That’s a generalization, I should add (and a false one to boot).

Power corrupts. the solution is give them less power.

That is also wrong. The solution is to hold them accountable.

Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Sarah Palin needs to NOT run for President.

I think she would be far more beneficial if she replaced Michael Steele.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Yeah, something like this. Although I think Sarah should stay on the outside and form a watchdog organization type thing.

- The Cat

MirCat on December 7, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Sarah Palin needs to NOT run for President.

I think she would be far more beneficial if she replaced Michael Steele.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 9:52 AM

screw that. Palin has the leader of the GOP is the ONLY person that can bring the TEA party back into the fold of the GOP like Reagan. If it was not for Reagan the GOP would already be dead

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Asked this in the other thread…. but…

Question.

“IF” you have a Fiscal Con “Tea Party” person running… and he is ahead of a Republican in the polls…

Will the Republican Party support that Conservative person? Even though they don’t belong to the Repub Country Club?

IE, will REPUBS split the vote?

Because that is EXACTLY what happened in NY23… the Repub Brand was more important to most of the Washington Repub Party types than a CONSERVATIVE Philosophy.

For many years, Conservatives have been asked to support Squishys or “it would be all our fault when the Dems won”…

Well… will Repubs support a Conservative who is NOT a Republican? or is Party loyalty more important than Philosophy?

Romeo13 on December 7, 2009 at 9:52 AM

The only reason a Tea Pary person would be on a 3rd party ballot is because they lost the Republican Primary. And the scenario you describe is just a bitter loser running on a 3rd party ticket.

Hoffman would have creamed Scozzafava in a primary. So your hypothetical doesn’t even apply to any situation imaginable…unless there are no primaries in said district.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 9:57 AM

screw that. Palin has the leader of the GOP is the ONLY person that can bring the TEA party back into the fold of the GOP like Reagan. If it was not for Reagan the GOP would already be dead

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Palin will be unelectable in 2012 IMO, 2016 is a different story, which is why I suggest she heads the RNC to re-energize the base.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM

In other words, GOP, stop working “with” democrats, and start working to crush them. That’s what we want. If you can’t do that, then you will be pushed aside. And not gracefully, either.

SouthernGent on December 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Ed you nail it on how damaging third party is.

However, the GOP is not helping itself. The senate GOP is proposing amendments to this health care bill when they should be killing the bill. The GOP is still stuck on stupid.

cubachi on December 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

They only thing I got out of this poll is only 1 in 3 people will vote Democrat. Not good for Democrats.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Let’s get something straight. The current process as fed to us by the political machines (MSM as a pulpit for people seeking re-election) is no longer one of platform and principle.

It is merely shades of gray.

So lets re-define and illuminate where the divisions in society currently are:

Liberals: People who expect others to take of them
Conservatives: People who are tired of taking care of liberals.

When you approach legislation and policy from that perspective, the folly of our current and recent leadership comes into exquisite focus.

What side are you on?

BobMbx on December 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Democrats don’t have that same kind of problem; they have 71% of their voters locked in to the party, with only 7% favoring the Tea Party brand. Independents, as noted above, are even less enamored of the GOP, favoring the Tea Party 33/12, with 25% going Democrat.

Hardcore democrats. If I expressed my true feelings for them I would be banned. They are blind, deaf, and dumb. Ever try to reason with one? Yeah, I know! Liberalism some day will be designated as an illness. It truly is!

donh525 on December 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Rush will say that this is another warning shot fired across the bow of the Republican Party and they need to return to the Conservative Principles that have proven to be successful. And he will be exactly right.

kingsjester on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Power corrupts. the solution is give them less power.

That is also wrong. The solution is to hold them accountable.

Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 9:56 AM

QFT

- The Cat

P.S.

Ed like many pundits are missing the point. We want small government less spending, a strong moral country that will protect us from the world not embrace the world. Screw the world. If other countries were so good why the hell did 98% of the people here or our forfathers move here form there?

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Won’t work. All the 3rd party candidate can do is make sure the one they are most like will not get elected. The 2 party system has protections built into it.

Along with the split vote is the electoral college. So even if the 3rd party candidate miraculously get’s 51+% which doesn’t split the vote the 3rd party will never win over the ones that really do the voting.

The electoral college is something like adding up all the representatives = how many electors your party gets. So without 51+% of representatives in office pffft on you.

MirCat on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

The GOP is still stuck in the “conservatives are going to vote for us regardless” mode when more and more and more evidence suggests conservatives are looking for ACTUAL conservatives more than they are just voting Republican. NY-23 underscored that, but I’m not sure the national GOP learned the lesson it taught.

Red Cloud on December 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I no longer believe this is true. I think the GOP Ayatollah’s are “getting it”.

The problem is – how do they SHOW US before next year’s elections that they “get it”?

There’s not a lot of opportunity for them to do that. Ayatollah Cornyn has come out and said the NRSC will no longer endorse primary candidates. Charlie Crist is melting down in the polls and no Ayatollah has come to his defense really. There’s really been no “see, I toldya so” rhetoric coming from the Ayatollahs concerning the loss in NY-23. In fact, everywhere I look the Ayatollahs are attempting to endear themselves to the Tea Party movement – which I call the “Liberty Movement”.

I don’t know – I’m thinking they are starting to get this. But … I’m still cautious enough of them that I’m not sending them any money yet. I want to see conservatives in charge of the purse strings at the RNC and the NRSC and the NRCC. And I want to see them dolling out money responsibly to conservative candidates. And I want to see them giving less, or NO money to Liberal RINOS. This would be a good step for the Ayatollahs to make.

We’ll know when we’ve gotten there when David Frum and David Brooks stop attacking conservatives – and start attacking the GOP. That will mean that true conservatives once again own the party.

HondaV65 on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

This poll is actually horrible news for libs. Anyone who sees it any other way has got some serious blinders on.

LibTired on December 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Agreed. They have reached their ceiling.

SouthernGent on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Look at the number 41%. Interesting number. How do you get 41% – by adding all the folks who hate Democrats, either the TeaParty folks or the Republicans. That’s the important figure – and per usual the Hot Air folks who run this column missed this. And of course 41% is greater than 36%.

Cinday Blackburn on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

They only thing I got out of this poll is only 1 in 3 people will vote Democrat. Not good for Democrats.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Which is 1992 redux.

BobMbx on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

That’s a generalization, I should add (and a false one to boot).

Power corrupts. the solution is give them less power.
That is also wrong. The solution is to hold them accountable.

Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 9:56 AM

i disagree strongly. Those are not generalizations. they are hard cold facts of life. You can not hold the powerful accountable. The more power they get the easier it is to sweep away their opposition. you have to limit the power that they wield. The founding fathers understood that and that was 230 years ago. It was true then and it is true now.

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

screw that. Palin has the leader of the GOP is the ONLY person that can bring the TEA party back into the fold of the GOP like Reagan. If it was not for Reagan the GOP would already be dead

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Reagan was Reagan, but it was conservatives who took over the GOP and got him elected. A very similar situation as today.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

This surprises me not at all. The NY-23 election was a perfect example. The GOP would’ve easily retained that seat had they simply backed a true conservative candidate from Day One. Instead they unnecessarily went with someone so far left, even the Democrat in the race was hitting her as a tax-and-spend lib. And despite all this, they still managed to nearly pull off a victory of sorts.

The bottom line is the GOP can have huge success in 2010 and 2012. The key is to embrace the Tea Party movement. I’m not saying they need to show up at these rallies. In fact, a lot of politicians are explicitly banned from appearing by the organizers. But listening to the Frums and Brooks of the world is a recipe for disaster. The GOP will either be the party of fiscal conservatism and limited government, or they’ll become a permanent minority.

Doughboy on December 7, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Look at the number 41%. Interesting number. How do you get 41% – by adding all the folks who hate Democrats, either the TeaParty folks or the Republicans. That’s the important figure – and per usual the Hot Air folks who run this column missed this. And of course 41% is greater than 36%.

Cinday Blackburn on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

About 3 or 4 of us can see the forest. It’s sad, though. Everyone thinks we will have a nationwide NY-23. In reality, we will have a nationwide Conservative vs RINO primary battle.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 10:03 AM

The GOP message needs to be very simple and targeted to the main stream Americans that will turn out and vote in 2010.

Shout it out, loud and clear:

“How’s that Socialism working for you? Have you had enough yet?”

Then focus like a laser on all of the failed programs put in play by the DNC; porkulus, health care, cap and tax, the czars, dithering, bowing, looking like fools on the world stage. Trot out their voting records and shove their noses in it.

I agree, the Tea Party will bend the GOP back to where it should be and the trouncing of these evil D statists in 2010 will be delicious.

Key West Reader on December 7, 2009 at 10:04 AM

But they aren’t polling Independents like me. Avid Tea Party Goer ;)

Dr Evil on December 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Nice dodge of the question… problem is that it does not fit recent history… does the name McCain bring back any memories?

Also, there are many States where the primaries are not open… and in States like here in Colorado, with the LARGE amount of Independent Conservatives, you may not get a Conservative Candidate out of the primary…

Romeo13 on December 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

The electoral college is something like adding up all the representatives = how many electors your party gets. So without 51+% of representatives in office pffft on you.

MirCat on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

I am not a big third part y person. the ideas I stated are the planks of the GOP party. Our elected leaders simply no longer follow their own party ideas.

As far as a third party not working you are wrong. It worked before. since it has worked with the whigs there is nothing that says it will not work again. i would rather the GOp goes back to its paltform but if they will not what is the good of having them.

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Palin will be unelectable in 2012 IMO, 2016 is a different story, which is why I suggest she heads the RNC to re-energize the base.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM

**Stake through the heart**

Back foul beast. McCain was the most electable in 2008. Don’t speak that word again.

- The Cat

Unseen you’re right about Palin being the one to bring the Tea Partiers back into the GOP, but remember not all were in the GOP to begin with. You have Dems that are fed up and those wankers that never vote.

MirCat on December 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Any way you look at it, the majority is conservative.

Look for dems to run false campaigns, pretending to be conservative.

bridgetown on December 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Sounds like the dems are trying to plant a seed for a 3rd party and link it to the repbs. This, they hope, could split the R party.

Kissmygrits on December 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Thank God for Scott Rasmussen. The man knows what’s relevant, whom to poll and what to ask.

OhioCoastie on December 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM

You can not hold the powerful accountable. The more power they get the easier it is to sweep away their opposition. you have to limit the power that they wield.

The Constitution limits the power to government as it should be. The people simply have to hold their representatives accountable via the vote, if their representatives don’t represent them. Killing everyone who has been in office 8 years or diminishing the power set out in the Constitution is no different then FDR trying to stack the SCOTUS.

And yes, it is accountability that is the key. Jefferson said correctly that all governments consist by the consent of the governed. You either believe that or you don’t.

Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM

The key in 2010 is to have the GOP represent the Tea Party brand, and the only way to do that is to firmly insist on fiscal restrain and reduction of government as the platform for the election

First they have to convince us that they actually believe in fiscal restraint and reduction of government. We won’t get fooled again.

obladioblada on December 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Fascinating. What this poll tells me is, the Tea Partiers should be driving the GOP bus, not the Whigs.

I’m sad to say, in practical terms, this doesn’t benefit anyone but the Democrats.

Meric1837 on December 7, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Maybe, but not necessarily. Whigs and RINOs need to put aside their alleged non-ideological purity and get with the Tea Party, commons sense conservative program. Common Sense Conservatives and RINOs united, in the Tea Party bus, will defeat the Dems.

Of course, the Whigs and their mouthpieces in the old and new media will read this exactly wrong, and tell the Tea Partiers that they have to put aside their preferences and jump back onto the Whig bus. Not gonna happen, wouldn’t be prudent….

james23 on December 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM

This sounds like bad news for Liberals, but that does not automaticly equal good news for the GOP if they can’t find a way to connect back with the conservative base. They have been doing a pretty good job so far, if you exclude a couple of RINO votes the GOP has been a pretty effective minority part so far. They (and democratic infighting) have stopped Crap-and-Tax for the forseeable future, successfully stalled a government takeover of healthcare, and all while being locked out of all the negotiations. I think they could do alot more, but it’s a start.

Mord on December 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Reagan was Reagan, but it was conservatives who took over the GOP and got him elected. A very similar situation as today.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

yes very similar. But if the conservatives do not have a leader of the party that is a conservative than conservatives are simply the party’s bit*h to be used and abused. The last 20 years have taught us that if nothing else. Sure the leaders of the GOP have thrown a bone here or there to conservatives under Bush 1 and Bush 2 but that is all a bone. They have given 70% of the bones to the liberals who now run the party

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM

The news here is not good at all for Republicans, however. Even registered GOP voters split 39/33 on whether to vote for a generic candidate from their own party. This reflects the damage done to the GOP during 2001-6, when voters thought they were electing small-government, fiscal-restraint politicians, and wound up instead with porkers who spent hand over fist.

This is H. Ross Perot all over again. When Republicans abandon their principles (as GWB did during his Presidency with tax increases and other lefty economic policies), the core Republican constituency of fiscal conservatives will revolt.

But that’s what happens when your party is comprised mostly of people who support you because of your ideas. Most of the Democrats’ base consists of groups who vote lock-step, irrespective of the candidates’ stated ideas–e.g. unions, black voters, & coastal elites. The Democrats can therefore rely upon a very sturdy base to support them, no matter what their candidates actually say. (Of course, they need lots of independent voters to get over 50%).

The GOP would be wise to remember its conservative roots!

Outlander on December 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM

I don’t care if they are Repub or Dem if they have been there for over 8 years, vote them out. Time for a new change. New people, new ideas, and a real perspective on what American really want for their future and their children’s future.

milwife88 on December 7, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Never work. If you think dems will go along with this, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. look at the poll, 71% of dems are locked in the party. Voting out incumbents, means political suicide for republicans.

donh525 on December 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM

In other words, GOP, stop working “with” democrats, and start working to crush them. That’s what we want. If you can’t do that, then you will be pushed aside. And not gracefully, either.

SouthernGent on December 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM

+100~!!

Key West Reader on December 7, 2009 at 10:11 AM

The dirty little secret is that the Republican party elites ARE Scozzafava Beans. They would rather a Democrat win than a conservative.

CC

CapedConservative on December 7, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Unseen you’re right about Palin being the one to bring the Tea Partiers back into the GOP, but remember not all were in the GOP to begin with. You have Dems that are fed up and those wankers that never vote.

MirCat on December 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

It’s about bridging the gap between tea p and gop.

the_nile on December 7, 2009 at 10:12 AM

As far as a third party not working you are wrong. It worked before. since it has worked with the whigs there is nothing that says it will not work again. i would rather the GOp goes back to its paltform but if they will not what is the good of having them.

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Do you remember how long that took and what we as a country had to go through to get there?

Not to mention what the Natives suffered at the hands of the Democrats while the Whigs screwed around.

I mean it was so bad that another country (Texas) was formed.

So yeah it’ll work but I’d rather revitalize the Republicans thank you.

- The Cat

MirCat on December 7, 2009 at 10:12 AM

The Constitution limits the power to government as it should be. The people simply have to hold their representatives accountable via the vote, if their representatives don’t represent them. Killing everyone who has been in office 8 years or diminishing the power set out in the Constitution is no different then FDR trying to stack the SCOTUS.

And yes, it is accountability that is the key. Jefferson said correctly that all governments consist by the consent of the governed. You either believe that or you don’t.

Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM

The constitution no longers limits government. Those people that have been there years upon years have figured out how to get around the consitution. Now those career politicans are figuring out how to use taxpayer money to fund their campaigns. Can a utside candidate compete with billions of taxpayer money?

Term limits are the next logical step in limiting political power

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I repeat. Tea Party participants are trying to send a message, it’s too early for them to endorse anyone. Too many lessons to be learned by too many people in D.C. and I don’t think they believe us yet. They will go back to the status quo the minute they are secure. I am hoping they never in their lives feel secure again.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Amen, Cindy. The idiots who produced the GOP disasters of 06 and 08 are counting on disgust with Maobama alone to put them back in power. The message in this poll: that’s not going to happen.

As far as the opposition to the dems and socialists is concerned, there is a new Sheriff in town, a common sense conservative Sheriff. Time for the GOP brass to get with the program or get the heck out of the way.

james23 on December 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM

The Tea Party candidate picks up 23%, and Republicans finish third at 18%. Another 22% are undecided.

Add half the undecideds to a UNITED party that includes all Tea party candidates and Repubs: 23+18+11=52%, (ironically the same number that brought us our current liberal socialist government). The key here is to be UNITED as one party that will be dedicated to returning the power back to the people, and the states—and not trillions in taxpayer funded entitlements, a sure way to buy votes for the lazy liberal mentality.

Rovin on December 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I mean it was so bad that another country (Texas) was formed.

So yeah it’ll work but I’d rather revitalize the Republicans thank you.

- The Cat

MirCat on December 7, 2009 at 10:12 AM

I would too. but the prospects are not good at this point in time

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Unseen you’re right about Palin being the one to bring the Tea Partiers back into the GOP, but remember not all were in the GOP to begin with. You have Dems that are fed up and those wankers that never vote.

MirCat on December 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM
It’s about bridging the gap between tea p and gop.

the_nile on December 7, 2009 at 10:12 AM

When I was a kid those people were called Reagan democrates

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Outlander on December 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Yeah… you see, I read the Ross Perot saga as a WIN for Fiscal Conservatism, even though the GOP lost.

Face it… his “threat” to the two party status quo brought BOTH partys in line and balanced the budget… and notice that as soon as the threat was gone, BOTH partys went back to spending….

Ross Perot and the GOP lost…. but the PHILSOPHY won…

Romeo13 on December 7, 2009 at 10:16 AM

They are looking at the Republican party splitting. Has anyone done an audit of the Democrat Party? The so called Big Tent Party is in trouble. The Progressives are alienating folks left and right, that’s where people can find a party split folks want to get re elected in 2010 not with the Progressive Leadership the face of the Democrat Party :)

Dr Evil on December 7, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Term limits are the next logical step in limiting political power

unseen on December 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Yes, I understand your point of view. You are coming from the perspective that 1 Constitution is flawed 2 People can’t effectively govern themselves.

I disagree. Constitution limits government the same as it always has, the voters simply need to hold representatives accountable to the law.

Term limits are a reactionary and wrong-headed response. Term limits would make representatives less accountable and more dependent on party mechanics. Consider as a politican – if you were lobbied on an issue and you had no election to think of – promised a sweet job post-office for your vote, that’s not more accountable, that’s more temptation. Term limits would lead to more corruption, just like term limits in the executive branch have altered the intended balance of power already.

Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 10:18 AM

They only thing I got out of this poll is only 1 in 3 people will vote Democrat. Not good for Democrats.

uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

No, it is a huge problem depending on how it pans out. That means a Dem can win with 33.4% of the vote, even with 66.6% opposed.

If I’m getting Third Party /Tea Party stuff here in Libtard Land, I can only imagine what’s in store nation wide.

Laura in Maryland on December 7, 2009 at 10:19 AM

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