Quotes of the day
posted at 10:45 pm on December 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Yet the case for human-driven warming, many scientists say, is far clearer now than a decade ago, when the skeptics included many people who now are convinced that climate change is a real and serious threat.
“Even some who remain skeptical about the extent or pace of global warming say that the premise underlying the Copenhagen talks is solid: that warming is to some extent driven by greenhouse gases spewing into the atmosphere from human activities like the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.
“Roger A. Pielke Sr., for example, a climate scientist at the University of Colorado who has been highly critical of the United Nations climate panel and who once branded many of the scientists now embroiled in the e-mail controversy part of a climate ‘oligarchy,’ said that so many independent measures existed to show unusual warming taking place that there was no real dispute about it. Moreover, he said, ‘The role of added carbon dioxide as a major contributor in climate change has been firmly established.’”
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“We all got into this mess together. And now, with treaty talks underway internationally and Congress stalled at home, we need to act accordingly. Don’t spend an hour changing your light bulbs. Don’t take a day to caulk your windows. Instead, pick up a phone, open a laptop, or travel to a U.S. Senate office near you and turn the tables: ‘What are the 10 green statutes you’re working on to save the planet, Senator?’…
“Forty-five years ago, President Lyndon B. Johnson faced tremendous opposition on civil rights from a Congress dominated by Southern leaders, yet he spent the political capital necessary to answer a great moral calling. Whenever key bills on housing, voting and employment stalled, he gave individual members of congress the famous ‘Johnson treatment.’ He charmed. He pleaded. He threatened. He led, in other words. In person, and from the front.
“Does anyone doubt that our charismatic current president has the capacity to turn up the heat?”
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I’m kind of tired of getting the “Johnson treatment” from our political “leaders”. Seem slike they’re giving it to us more ways every day…
AScott on December 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Heh…more Notes From the Bubble.
ddrintn on December 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Water vapor is a bigger contributor to global warming so let’s outlaw the ocean or at least regulate it.
Mojave Mark on December 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Environmentalism is the new Socialism. Interesting that Charles said there would be a “revolution” if it came via regulation.
Spirit of 1776 on December 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Did The Hammer just say…Revolution?
ronsfi on December 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Bullpoop, he was against the Republican sponsored Civil Rights Act and Voter Rights Act but his advisors told him that a veto would be political suicide.
Tony737 on December 7, 2009 at 10:52 PM
I’ve got an idea.
Those who believe that their carbon emissions are damaging the earth can minimize, or stop if they are really serious, there own emissions. Doing so would easily outpace anything that will come out of a treaty, and all it would require is people voluntarily abiding by their own beliefs.
18-1 on December 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Interesting Dr. Krauthammer mentions the Czech Republic and it’s President who I’m sure remember living for decades under Soviet rule. Their President was the one who famously said of Al Gore: “He’s mentally ill.”
Marcus on December 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM
“…there’s going to be a revolution on the…administration’s hands.”
If so, we can only hope that Charles Krauthammer is right.
cynccook on December 7, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Pielke is one of the people who changed my mind on this. There are simply too many fields of science – earth, ocean, planetary, atmospheric, chemistry – that show that these changes are occurring. Toss out the paleoclimatologists like the CRU crew and you still, to me, have evidence.
“Something” is taking place and human beings, in part, are causing it. Yes, yes, it’s always been that way but not on the magnitude of these changes.
It may be minor, it may be major, but “it” is there.
SteveMG on December 7, 2009 at 10:56 PM
There’ll be a revolution at the ballot box. If the new Congress(and eventually the new President) don’t overturn this nonsense, then things could get ugly.
And what the hell is with the WaPo columnist comparing environmentalism to civil rights? It’s not as inflammatory as Reid’s health care/slavery analogy, but it’s equally nonsensical. One movement was about granting every American the same rights, regardless of their race. The other movement is about granting the government the right to control every aspect of our lives based on dubious scientific claims. Not only are they not similar, they’re actually on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Doughboy on December 7, 2009 at 10:57 PM
EPA is going to run your Animal Farm in Brazil,
the year is 1984!!
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 11:00 PM
I don’t think CK means the kind of revolution some Texans have in mind. I think he refers to a revolution of legislators and business leaders running screaming with their hair on fire for the exits from the Obama Bus.
ronsfi on December 7, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Ugh,now theres going to be Enviromental Wacko
EnvrioNazi’s!!
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 11:01 PM
BALDERDASH!
Rovin on December 7, 2009 at 11:02 PM
These Southern leaders were Dems among them Al Gore Sr.
thomasaur on December 7, 2009 at 11:02 PM
What part of HOAX doesn’t everyone understand…?
Let me try this another way, when my bullet leaves my gun and goes through a Global Marxist/Socialist/Communist/Fascist Skull and sprays their warm brains on the faces of their children…
… you can then charge me of Human Caused Global Warming.
Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM
SteveMG you are surely entitled to your opinion.
Here is mine. Your wrong.
countrybumpkin on December 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Oh, they compare all their causes du jour to the civil rights movement. It’s a verbal tic they have.
ddrintn on December 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Obviously, the government has chosen to completely ignore the will of the people. What are we suppose to do? Are we suppose to sit here like good little boys and girls? Look at Chavez, he has all of the people living under tyranny. Why have they sat idly by while he has continued to gain control and power? There is so much corruption in the American government that I doubt that an election will put a dent in this travesty. I would hope that Americans are willing to revolt instead of watch a bunch of idiots rule our country.
mobydutch on December 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
The real truth behind the EPA’s move… The EPA, Taxing the very air you breath.
doriangrey on December 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
“Does anyone doubt that our charismatic current president has the capacity to turn up the heat?”
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I was under the impression that bipartisanship was dead on
arrival,the day Obama had to be sworn in twice!!:)
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Cass Sunstein, Obama’s Regulation Czar, has not been on vacation the last 9 months. He is going to get regulations issued regarding CO2 from the EPA and regarding “diversity needs in broadcasting” from the FTC, through his “Chief Diversity Officer,” Mark Lloyd.
GaltBlvnAtty on December 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Here is how journalism is made:
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/comment-on-new-york-times-by-andrew-c-revkin-and-john-m-broder-before-climate-meeting-a-revival-of-skepticism/
r keller on December 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM
There are also loads of scientists (blackballed and marginalized for not following the consensus) who disagree, and compellingly so. The fact is, AGW is a political/religious movement. The science is becoming discredited, as science-as-handmaiden-to-politics does.
ddrintn on December 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Yep. I’m curious what came later in the conversation, or a fuller expression of his thought.
But he laid this out as a step that could have dangerous implications- for the public and the Govt. implementing this.
He’s right.
cs89 on December 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM
climate changes that’s what it does. 10,000 years ago where I live was created out of earth and rocks scraped off of Canada and New England. By suggesting that man has a greater impact on climate than solar or geothermal out put, levels of volcanic activity, the relative stregnth of the magnetic fields of the earth and sun is foolish. The question is not “the climate is changing how do we stop it?”, but rather “the climate changes, how do we adapt to it?”
Daveyardbird on December 7, 2009 at 11:09 PM
I watched this tonight, interesting that CK used the “R” word.
I think he is right, this may just be the straw.
conservnut on December 7, 2009 at 11:10 PM
World wide temperatures are now no warmer, actually a bit less, than they were ten years ago. Is it possible for one to have it both ways? Temperatures have gone down a bit so that is convincing evidence for global warming? So what would it be if global temperatures had gone up? Convincing evidence for no global warming? These global warming people are insane.
MB4 on December 7, 2009 at 11:10 PM
I thought he was playing jazz guitar back then.
john1schn on December 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Stopping you from producing CO2 is a civil right.
LibTired on December 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Well, what I think the most intriguing aspect of all this is how the non-Euro ninny nations are refusing to go along…e.g., the “hacker(s)” responsible for exposing the ‘Climategate’ emails are undoubtedly Russian operatives, China and India refuse to play along, etc. It’s all unravelling and will continue to do so. The cap ‘n’ trade crowd couldn’t pull this thing off without making it a ‘global’ issue and unfortunately for them, some of our fellow countries couldn’t be drawn in as easily as all these gullible folks here in the states. It was a gamble they had to take and it kinda looks like it may not go their way after all. I’d like to see Barbara Boxer take her faux outrage over ‘Hackergate’ to Putin,et al. though. Now THAT would be entertaining.
cynccook on December 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Yeah but it’s not my opinion. It’s the opinion of others that I have to defer to.
Have to because I neither have the time or capability of reading carbon isotope measurements in core samples or tree rings. Or measure the acidity of the Pacific Ocean. Et cetera, et cetera.
They may be wrong but I think it’s short-sighted to believe that this is all some giant hoax by all of these people in science.
SteveMG on December 7, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Don’t yield an inch.
Why?
1.) A technological solution could be 5-10 years away that largely eliminates the problem.
2.) I’m not stupid. I’ve actually done heat transfer balances. I can figure stuff out. Unchecked release of greenhouse gases will logically lead to global increase in temps. Maybe. Because that’s what you need to show me–the evidence, as well as the reasoning why it is thought there is not a self-regulating mechanism–a damperm that will act as a negative feedback loop to stabilize things. So AGW proponents need to show some respect to their fellow citizens, because there is not an 11th Commandment that says “Thou shall obey the Levites of Liberalism automatically”.
3.) As a test of a democratic society’s ability to manage complex scientific dilemmas, I hereby flunk us. Those who are true believers in AGW had such great faith in society that they apparently decided the only way to win was to rig the game. So, viewing AGW as a test case for humanity’s ability to handle complex sociological problems–we failed. Not because we did not automatically or immediately buy into AGW–which may or may not be a pressing concern. But because those who do/did view it as a pressing concern a.)first acted like it was a gigantic religious crusade, making themselves more important than the issue, and b.) met initial opposition with dishonor. News flash–you are going to always have someone who doesn’t buy into what you are selling. That’s okay. What you can’t do is rig the system to make your view win. There was another path, not taken, and one that we need to figure out how to do anyway. And that is how to forsee problems and develop responses to them appropriately. And for the record, my view of the appropriate response would have been to push for nuclear. Instead, we got the alternative energy fantasies from the Energy Druids.
And thus I say we need to not yield an inch, so as to not establish precedent for the future on how to handle these issues. AGW is currently discredited. It may happen, but the fact that the evidence has to be hidden and doctored so much leads to a logical conclusion that it is not happening now. Believers are kindly invited to start persuading and stop haraungeing, but until then you’ve killed your own cause. Congratulations.
And those EPA functions that can be done at the state level need to be done there and the rest of the agency gelded.
Horatius on December 7, 2009 at 11:13 PM
But he laid this out as a step that could have dangerous implications- for the public and the Govt. implementing this.
He’s right.
cs89 on December 7, 2009 at 11:08 P
Pretty sure that CK meant that business and industry leaders would ‘revolt.’ They’re the ones who would take the mammoth hit under these types of regs.
cynccook on December 7, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Climate has never been static. Its changing all of the time. To claim that it is all of humans actions/inactions is just plain hillarious.
I hope Krauthammer is right about a revolution if they enter into any kind of treaty/laws/regulations about this.
Also, what about the take over of health care.
They are really pushing on everything.
Mirimichi on December 7, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Man-made warming is ‘a slam dunk’! That’s what the EPA is saying!
There was a consensus in the ‘intelligence’ community that Saddam had WMDs. Now we have a ‘consensus’ in the ‘scientific’ community that the earth climate is changing.
With Irak, we did get rid of a dangerous dictator. With climate change, we’ll establish a new class of unelected bureaucrats, scientists, politicians to rule the industrial world.
FrenchguyinTaiwan on December 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM
True. When I read that passage in the article, I got that “Name That Party” feeling.
Red State State of Mind on December 7, 2009 at 11:16 PM
That is a bald face lie. That is not their premise. There premise is that we will soon have catastrophic global warming unless we obey them and give them lots of money, not to some extent which could mean almost nothing.
MB4 on December 7, 2009 at 11:16 PM
“Short-sighted” as in “as close as the nose on your face”?
LibTired on December 7, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Now that EPA has determined that the CO2 YOU exhale is a pollutant, you’d better lawyer-up ‘cuz I’m fixin’ TO SUE!!!
bannedbyhuffpo on December 7, 2009 at 11:17 PM
They may be wrong but I think it’s short-sighted to believe that this is all some giant hoax by all of these people in science.
SteveMG on December 7, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Yeah, cause scientists never stubbornly cling to the status quo in the face of opposing or conflicting information. Just ask Dr. Barry Marshall (winner of the 2005 Nobel Prize for Medicine & Physiology).
cynccook on December 7, 2009 at 11:18 PM
It looks like there is a government backup for everything from global warming to Obamacare. How could these evil idiots come up with so many alternative ideas? You know, they say if this doesn’t work, then we will go will plan #2. Every single day, there is something new. It must be demonic.
mobydutch on December 7, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Dr. K effed up last year, but I am pretty sure he knows what revolution means.
alexwest on December 7, 2009 at 11:20 PM
What if the Earth has been warming for some time, and that warming period began prior to the Industrial Revolution? Then, the introduction of higher levels of greenhouse gases would not necessarily be a factor. It’s not logical to assume that just because one event precedes another, that the earlier event caused the latter.
Red State State of Mind on December 7, 2009 at 11:20 PM
In other words “don’t spend time going green, spend time forcing other people to go green!” I wonder what fraction of Democratic policies are predicated on the assumption that people are too stupid to do what is best for themselves.
kc8ukw on December 7, 2009 at 11:20 PM
China One Child Policy here we come.
Bishop on December 7, 2009 at 11:20 PM
I don’t quite get why we’re tolerating the lies of liberals and I especially don’t get why we allow our money to be stolen in order to fund the lunatics that lie in order to give themselves authority over our right to breath.
Speakup on December 7, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Remember!
Team Hopey/Changey has only been in power,for less than
a year,so far,hes been a one man president wrecking crew,
of the United States of America!
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 11:21 PM
China One Child Policy here we come.
Bishop on December 7, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Bishop: That sounds like a Liberal family!!(sarc).
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM
What do you suppose is the CO2 output in D.C.?
publiuspen on December 7, 2009 at 11:24 PM
This is and always has been about redistribution of wealth from developed industrial countries to under-developed third world countries. It is about world wide socialism which is why the left is so invested in it.
Now their ballgame is falling apart. And they are trying everything to preserve it.
CK is right, if they do this through unconstitutional means via regulation, there will be a revolution, and it will start in Texas and Oklahoma. The states that will be hurt worse by it.
Lets Roll!
conservnut on December 7, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Coming soon,
a SarahCudaRevolution!!
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 11:24 PM
And that is why he has to be stopped.
Mirimichi on December 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Red herring. No one is saying giant as it didn’t take that and no one is saying all of those people in science as it didn’t take that either.
MB4 on December 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM
This is and always has been about redistribution of wealth from developed industrial countries to under-developed third world countries. It is about world wide socialism which is why the left is so invested in it.
Lets Roll!
conservnut on December 7, 2009 at 11:24 PM
conservnut: Redistribution,is stealth for Reparations!!:)
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 11:21 PM
And that is why he has to be stopped.
Mirimichi on December 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Mirimichi: Lets hope!!:)
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Forget marching on DC, lets just BURN IT TO THE GROUND!
dmann on December 7, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Texas created 70% of the nation’s new jobs (actual new jobs) last year.
publiuspen on December 7, 2009 at 11:28 PM
REVOLUTION!
moonbatkiller on December 7, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Canopfor, What is the end game? These jerks do not fear the 2010 elections.
mobydutch on December 7, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Should we purchase our Carbon Offset Credits before or after?
thomasaur on December 7, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Snort.
publiuspen on December 7, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Some like it hot and some sweat
When the heat is on
Some feel the heat and decide that
They can´t go on
Some like it hot, but you can´t tell how hot
Til you try
Some like it hot, so let´s turn up the heat
Til the power mad Washington tyrants fry!
MB4 on December 7, 2009 at 11:32 PM
On his blog Roger Pielke Sr. says
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/
John E. on December 7, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Some of you lawyers out there, answer this question I have.
Has any state ever brought a suit to the SC over the founders intent with the interstate commerce clause?
This is the clause that has allowed the EPA, OSHA, MSHA and a multitude of other regulatory federal agencies to exist.
We all know that the framers intent was to insure free trade between the states. But it has turned into so much more. It seems to me that a ruling from the SC would be a game changer in so many ways if a suit was brought on these grounds.
conservnut on December 7, 2009 at 11:38 PM
A revolution may be a temperary solution
But hanging is more lasting
MB4 on December 7, 2009 at 11:38 PM
all attempts to open/link via History will not open…………Freedom indeed!
Listen to the one!
dmann on December 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Saving the planet is SO important that I had to take my private jet and limo to a conference half way around the world to talk about it.
txag92 on December 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Environmentalism is what communists have, instead of a true religion.
Dhuka on December 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM
I better call my lawyer….. I just exhaled.
txag92 on December 7, 2009 at 11:41 PM
You may be right, and if you are, then we best realize that there’s not a damn thing we can do about it, because there’s no way that China, India, Brazil, or a few dozen other countries are going to slow down their carbon emissions, regardless of the actions of the US and Europe.
So then there’s really no reason to destroy our economy in an empty gesture. We’re going to need all the wealth we can muster if we’re to adapt and win at this AGW game.
notropis on December 7, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Breath panels.
publiuspen on December 7, 2009 at 11:43 PM
A chill wind blows, my friends.
SouthernGent on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 PM
“We have a lot of people revolutionizing the world because they’ve never had to present a working model”
Charles F. Kettering (American engineer, inventor of the electric starter, 1876-1958)
ronsfi on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 PM
notropis on December 7, 2009 at 11:42 PM
That’s exactly what I’ve been asking all along. How the hell do these idiots think they are going to “solve” AGW unless every person on every continent participates in the scam?
txag92 on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 PM
“Revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets”
Napoleon Bonaparte
ronsfi on December 7, 2009 at 11:46 PM
As an EFFECT, perhaps. As a cause of it? NO.
The Democrats have to keep that false meme going, because if the minorities ever figure out that the Republicans are indeed responsible for them getting ‘equal rights’ they will lose the minorities votes. And if the minorities bail on the Dems, so will those that vote Dem out of ‘white guilt’.
And if they lose THEM too, the only supporters the Democrats have left will be hardcore socialists…. and while there are way too many of them these days, there aren’t quite enough to win elections.
LegendHasIt on December 7, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Will anyone tell me what the end game is with this government? I still say they do not fear the 2010 elections.
mobydutch on December 7, 2009 at 11:48 PM
why can’t Reid just regulate his own breathing to reduce CO2?
Better yet, allow him to do his heroic Act: Don’t breathe at all to save his beloved planet?
TheAlamos on December 7, 2009 at 11:50 PM
They need a slogan.
Just Say Toodaloo to CO2
kahall on December 7, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Centuries ago, Galileo was persecuted for his views on how the universe worked by religious zealots that believed we were the center of the universe.
Now, when science is clearly the religious zealot and is willing to invoke the wrath of the Spanish Inquisition to any unbelievers that dare to challenge their numbers.
Now, when the numbers are proven to be totally falsified and that the worship of the false God Gaia was a total hoax….
it really doesn’t mean anything, does it.
Yet, Kralizec, thinks I have a drinking problem.
Go figure….
Kini on December 7, 2009 at 11:52 PM
at some point, probably soon, stuff like this will start a war
jp on December 7, 2009 at 11:54 PM
“Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.”
Ambrose Bierce (American Writer, Journalist and Editor, 1842-1914)
ronsfi on December 7, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Dry Ice! Just realized this will kill the mail order food business like omaha steaks. This keeps getting worse!
Daveyardbird on December 7, 2009 at 11:59 PM
It is well established that byproducts in the metabolism of mammalian systems are harmful to Gaia.
Which is why I am for Cap and Spayed.
Spay and Neutering is the only way to reduce populations of these nasty breathers.
Breeders make Breathers.
Where they breed is where they will breath.
Breathe is Death.
Hey Hey
Ho Ho
Save your breathe or else we’ll go.
/s
Geochelone on December 7, 2009 at 11:59 PM
If the EPA does Obama’s will by fiat, there will be revolution.
I, personally will be willing to lead the million tire fire on the Washington mall protest. A million people all bring tires, and set them on fire.
wildcat84 on December 8, 2009 at 12:06 AM
OT: Anyone else see this story:
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/dec/03/supplies-with-obama-logo-surprise-school/
About Obama campaign notebooks and pencils turning up in school supply distributions? Yeah, and that speech to all the kids was no big deal. I mean, no one was trying to politicize the schools or anything…
UnderstandingisPower on December 8, 2009 at 12:12 AM
And how will we get home? After burning our tires.
Kini on December 8, 2009 at 12:12 AM
And then they tell us the Civil Rights movement didn’t work because we are all racists anyway.
I, for one, will continue to exhale.
tcn on December 8, 2009 at 12:16 AM
Global warmists are all bitter clingers.
Now it’s settled, ‘mkay?
hillbillyjim on December 8, 2009 at 12:23 AM
The only political capital that matters is the will of the American people, and even in that Obama is running a deficit.
FloatingRock on December 8, 2009 at 12:27 AM
What does one do about Houseatosis?
Kini on December 8, 2009 at 12:27 AM
I think it is naive to think that this AGW is not a hoax. There hasn’t been any statement that the emails weren’t true or that they had been altered. The fact that the data was cooked to give the desired outcome is strong enough evidence for me that it is totally a hoax. I happen to be an engineer and am well versed in cooking the data to support a desired result, and that is exactly what this appears to be.
Has anyone of these scientists ever published what the optimum level of these ‘green house’ gases in the atmosphere should be? And BTW, why can’t any of the models predict the same result, oh I know it’s just trends. What if they are all wrong? I don’t think anyone has any idea what the unintended consequences would be if we were able to modify the climate or change the balance of gases in the atmosphere. We might find ourselves in a much worse state if we screw around with the climate.
I don’t have too many more years left, but I don’t want to be forcing my children, grandchildren and their children into slavery just to support some unproven THEORY.
belad on December 8, 2009 at 12:30 AM
And nobody can claim that deficit spending of political capital in the case of civil rights, which was a Constitutional issue, is comparable to any efforts based on what now, until proven otherwise, must be considered pseudo-science and has no Constitutional bearing.
FloatingRock on December 8, 2009 at 12:31 AM
So will plants and trees be declared illegal?
They consume CO2 and produce O2….
Kini on December 8, 2009 at 12:31 AM
What will happen to soda-pop?
macncheez on December 8, 2009 at 12:34 AM
If the evidence were truly so overwhelming, so strong as to be incontrovertible, WHY did the chaps in charge of the “science” go to such trouble to hide the Medieval Warming Period (by “smoothing” the data), conspire to hide the fact of actual cooling after 1996, use threats and intimidation behind the scenes to prevent any opposing views being published in scholarly journals, carefully choose a few trees in Siberia for “ring data” and ignore the vast majority which told a different tale, and “lose” all the actual historical temperature data accumulated over decades of research (keeping only their “adjusted” data)?
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Possibly there is a logical explanation why these “top scientists” acted repeatedly and surreptitiously to avoid engaging the scientific questions head-on. Perhaps there is a reason they engaged in a massive ongoing cover-up when there was no crime to hide.
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Until I hear such a persuasive argument, though, I rely upon my experience with human nature and lean to the theory that people hide things because they fear the consequences of those things being discovered.
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Adjoran on December 8, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Roger A. Pielke recently completed studies that showed the adjusted and “normalized” land instrument data was considerably higher over time than the satellite data for the same time period, and how this was impossible statistically without the land adjusted “normalized” land instrument data being incorrect. There was actually minimal warming from the late 70′s to the late 90′s, and none for the last 10 years. Nothing abnormal about it.
ray on December 8, 2009 at 12:37 AM
If so, it will create a lot of new jobs at the DEA to enforce it. We’ll need plenty of boots on the ground to bust down doors and arrest anybody growing tomatoes in their basements and spare bedrooms.
FloatingRock on December 8, 2009 at 12:38 AM
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