EPA declares air a danger to human health
posted at 2:30 pm on December 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
For the first time ever, the Environmental Protection Agency has declared a naturally-occurring substance in the air a danger to human health. Carbon dioxide, which has existed as a major component of Earth’s atmosphere for billions of years — and which is necessary for plant growth — is now a declared pollutant. The determination gives the EPA wide-ranging authority over the operations of energy production and manufacturing:
The Environmental Protection Agency has concluded greenhouse gases are endangering people’s health and must be regulated, signaling that the Obama administration is prepared to contain global warming without congressional action if necessary. …
Under a Supreme Court ruling, the so-called endangerment finding is needed before the EPA can regulate carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases released from power plants, factories and automobiles under the federal Clean Air Act.
The EPA signaled last April that it was inclined to view heat-trapping pollution as a threat to public health and welfare and began to take public comments under a formal rulemaking. The action marked a reversal from the Bush administration, which had declined to aggressively pursue the issue.
Business groups have strongly argued against tackling global warming through the regulatory process of the Clean Air Act. Any such regulations are likely to spawn lawsuits and lengthy legal fights.
The EPA and the Obama administration threatened to do this when their cap-and-trade bill first began to stall on Capitol Hill. The determination of CO2 as a pollutant — which is patently ridiculous on its face — allows the White House to bypass Congress and begin dictating to producers on carbon-emission reductions.
Don’t kid yourself into thinking the EPA doesn’t understand the scope of its power. By classifying CO2 and methane (among other so-called greenhouse gases, it can inject itself into just about every industry in the US. Energy production will be its primary target, but the EPA has also gone after coal mining on the basis of the Clean Water Act; it will certainly not be shy about using this new authority to kill coal mining altogether. It will also impact agriculture, especially dairies and cattle ranching, as well as transportation. The entire manufacturing sector will have to answer for its output.
This really is the worst of all outcomes. The EPA process can be restrained by Congress, but it will take positive action for that to happen — and in most cases, would take the assent of Barack Obama. About the only way Congress could stop the EPA’s effort to seize control of production without Obama would be to defund the agency, or at least its regulatory efforts. That certainly won’t happen with the current Congress.
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I wonder if Vulcans have the same problems with carbon that we do. I mean, we’re a carbon-based lifeform, and they’re copper-based. Do you think they have a “copper tax” system?
BobMbx on December 7, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Wait till they declare hot air a pollutant.
BobMbx on December 7, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Next, we will all be asked to stop breathing?
GFW on December 7, 2009 at 5:42 PM
RagTag on December 7, 2009 at 5:42 PM
I really hate to burst your bubble but like AGW, Valcans are make believe.
RagTag on December 7, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Been reading through the regs to see how they pertain to me…reporting starts in March 2011 for 2010.
Got over to play with the EPA’s “Applicability Tool” to see how it would affect me and got this message
Well that’s good news for us–for now anyways.
Tio on December 7, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Time to fall off the grid…
Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2009 at 5:52 PM
http://www.veteranoutrage.com
have they ever heard of the carbon cycle?
IDIOTS…
veteranoutrage on December 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM
uknowmorethanme on December 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Next target – nitrogen. “Ban nitrogen NOW! Do it for The Children! We only have 5 minutes and 38 seconds left before nitrogen in the atmosphere kills the world’s children!”
Django on December 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM
This administration studied FDR well, they will not have a “Schechter brothers” case. So rather than head on shutting down your family farm & handing the business over to the big union based corporate farms the Government will invent regulations that are based on the carbon fairy tale. How do you fight a fairy tale?
batterup on December 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM
The federal power-grab orgy is insane. Even the EPA thinks that it should be holding the reins. WTF?
They’re not mutually exclusive, BD. I fully agree with what you say, it’s just that I put the emphasis elsewhere. There will be a massive redistribution of wealth, but, in my mind, that’s just a side-effect, not the primary purpose of the scam. The main point of the shebang is to concentrate power in the hands of the God-King.
Yep, exactly. Sounds a lot like communism, don’t it? And all the while, our magnanimous leaders will marvel at the miracles that their hands have wrought, and how they have improved our benighted little lives.
Track-A-'Crat on December 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Mondo…its got what plants crave.
blankminde on December 7, 2009 at 6:02 PM
I was wondering where you were.
upinak on December 7, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Having been in the heavy and medium manufacturing biz almost all my considerable life, it was with sadness in my heart that I discovered the EPA finally pulled the trigger on American Manufacturing today.
Initially, I was FURIOUS! I was depressed. I felt betrayed by the very country I helped to make the Greatest in the World with my machines, structures, applications and more.
I thought of all the men and women who were my employees over my 50 years as a manufacturer. Because of this “ruling” we could never duplicate what we had done. Saved the lives we’d saved, saved the time and dollars we’d made and saved for our customers and ourselves.
Someone else, in some other place would have to do that now. Kill the power, Bob. Lockout the machinery, Jill. Clear out the loading docks Sam, there’s nothing to be shipped any more. My friends, both new and old, young and “experienced”, I thank you for your efforts, knowledge, know-how, courage, and, yes, innovation that kept our doors open since the 1600′s, manufacturing the very best of goods ever found anywhere in the world.
As I prepared to close the doors for the last time on my version of Manufacturing America, I thought I’d read, just once, before I burned it to less than ashes, the Environmental Protection Agency’s “finding” which killed us all.
So…I started, sitting on the front stoop of that great old building from which came America’s Goods, built with American Materials, by American Labor for the entire world.
I didn’t get very far, though, when my eye caught something in that “finding” which gave me hope.
Here it is, from Page 8:
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/endangerment/downloads/FinalFindings.pdf
8
J. Executive Order 12898: Federal Actions to Address
Environmental Justice in Minority Populations and Low-
Income Populations
K. Congressional Review Act
I. Introduction
A. Overview
Pursuant to CAA section 202(a), the Administrator
finds that greenhouse gases in the atmosphere may
reasonably be anticipated both to endanger public health
and to endanger public welfare. Specifically, the
Administrator is defining the “air pollution” referred to
in CAA section 202(a) to be the mix of six long-lived and
directly-emitted greenhouse gases: carbon dioxide (CO2),
methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), hydrofluorocarbons
(HFCs), perfluorocarbons (PFCs), and sulfur hexafluoride
(SF6). In this document, these six greenhouse gases are
referred to as “well-mixed greenhouse gases” in this
document (with more precise meanings of “long lived” and
“well mixed” provided in Section IV.A).
The Administrator has determined that the body of
scientific evidence compellingly supports this finding. The
major assessments by the U.S. Global Climate Research
Program (USGCRP), the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change (IPCC), and the National Research Council (NRC)
serve as the primary scientific basis supporting the
Administrator’s endangerment finding.1
With extraordinary incompetence, the EPA based this “finding” upon major assessments from the US Global Research Program, The IPCC, and the National Research Council.
Do you recognize any of those outfits? You should. They were all involved in the emails released from East Anglia U.
YOU know…the “studies”, “theories”, adamant insistences without any science to back them up?
The EPA has quite nicely shot itself right smack in both feet, and very possibly brought about it’s very termination as an “Agency of Influence” in the United States.
What heartening news. Perhaps we’re not dead after all.
As sure as God made little green apples there’s gonna be some very serious legal-eagle fistfights about this, and there’s no way that I can see for the EPA to defend itself, short of lying about the lies they lied about.
Which, of course isn’t working real well for the East Anglia crowd right about now.
Sooooo…..maybe we won’t have to shut ‘er down after all.
I still got my plant-keys, the sales force is out there drummin’ up what business they can, and, while I’m not yet tellin’ the the best shop-floor men and women in the world to come back, I AM tellin’ them to stick near the phones, ’cause we’re comin’ back strong!
Don’t forget us, okay? Write some letters, call some Congersmen please. ‘Cause we can do wonders when our hands aren’t tied!
Thanks.
Farmer on December 7, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Deciding that a gas necessary for the survival of life on the planet is dangerous is a new low in stupidity (even for this out of control administration). This has been “junk science” since it first started but after the release of the documents from the CRC it is insane.
duff65 on December 7, 2009 at 6:06 PM
The EPA must go!
Kjeil on December 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM
What will the producers do? What will hard working American do when he is being robbed blind and his money being sent to a world governing body to be thrown at 3rd world cesspool autocratic, despotic regimes? All in the name of Global Warming.
What will they do!!!?
James on December 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Heh…Excellent and informative post, Farmer. Thank you.
Django on December 7, 2009 at 6:09 PM
I wonder how all the business and Wall Street players who backed President Jesus are feeling about the “fundamental transformation of America” right about now? Frigging morons.
Django on December 7, 2009 at 6:11 PM
I think we should take the “United” out of our country’s name to make it simply “The States of America.” Because we’re no longer united. And we’re not a gonna be anytime soon. If the republicans don’t gain enough for a huge majority in 2010 our future is bleak indeed.
Griz on December 7, 2009 at 6:19 PM
I don’t know why you all are bent out of shape about the energy businesses that will be run out of town. Let’s do this simple equation:
yeast+malt=alcohol+CO2.
The price of beer is about to skyrocket.
End of days…
loudmouth883 on December 7, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Paying to exhale.
They need to start by attacking political gasbags. Call it the TOTUS tax.
evergreen on December 7, 2009 at 6:26 PM
EPA can suck my wind.
infidel on December 7, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Breath panels.
publiuspen on December 7, 2009 at 6:26 PM
+7%…!
Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2009 at 6:26 PM
From this day on, a litmus test for all future Republican candidates must be instituted that mandates the complete defunding and elimination of the EPA as well as the identification and firing of any EPA personnel who had a hand in this idiocy.
The EPA is not it’s own branch of government. Their arrogance is beyond belief. It is time for actions other than words.
Enigma on December 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM
The environmentalists have demonized the air we breathe, as well as every one of the most common forms of energy in the developed world (coal, nuclear, oil, hydroelectric, natural gas).
Without energy, the capitalist economy built up over the past 200 years would be destroyed. And That’s the Point of their agenda in a nutshell!
The Dean on December 7, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Because we’re too stupid to actually capitalize upon or benefit from our own inventions… within 10 to 15 years there are going to be a couple thousand Russian designed and built nuclear reactors around the world. If you’ve ever had intimate exposure to marketable Russian design and quality you know there will be huge radioactive exposure disasters to follow. Won’t matter how much carbon dioxide is around then. Maybe the out of work coal miners can put together some disaster cleanup crews.
Griz on December 7, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Yeah the EPA yanked water from farmers in the Central Valey of California this year because some of their “experst” thought that minnow, the Delta smelt, might be harmed. Meanwhile unemployment is up to 40% in some of the now mostly fallowed agricultural communities, and food is being shipped in from China to feed the starving destitute families in The Breadbasket of America.
All because Fresno recently became the 5th largest town in California- and now has some political clout in Sacramento. They are trying to decrease the population there so Lon Beach will again be # 5.
Do not underestimate the power the EPA will use to smite those who don’t follow their AGW religion fundamentals.
NTWR on December 7, 2009 at 6:34 PM
I never thought I’d ever have a reason to fear my own government… and now, every day, a new reason appears. This is a nightmare.
itsacookbook on December 7, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Nuke power for electricity…. Compressed Natural Gas for transportation…
We could be self sufficient in 10 years just by getting the EEPA out of the way, and LENDING some Fed Dollars to build Nuc Plants.
Romeo13 on December 7, 2009 at 6:41 PM
We will stand as an impenetrable phalanx before the Supreme Court of The United States of America, and, as one, will mildly demand of the Defendant, the US EPA, to “Show us your science. ALL of it.”
We will not celebrate our victory, rather, we will gather our tools, and our plows, and our instruments of commerce, and we will pick up where we left off.
With a vengenace.
Farmer on December 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Good catch. Perhaps some unintended consequences?
a capella on December 7, 2009 at 6:48 PM
You know, maybe this is just the thing we need for the lawsuits to start flowing and the fake science to be put on trial.
John the Libertarian on December 7, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Hmmmm… interesting question… just where in the Constitution does it give Congress the ability to give unelected beurocrats the power to regulate the very air we breathe?
Health Care mandates are NOTHING compared to this…
Romeo13 on December 7, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Is there any lingering doubt that this madness is orchestrated, deliberate and intentional?
The enemy is within folks. A lot of us having been saying this all along.
I’ll play Glenn Beck here and say this…..prove me wrong on this point!
They don’t give a rat’s ass about anything other than jammimg every destructive policy they can through…. regardless of the US population’s opposition to their insane policies.
It is deliberate and meant to overwhelm and collapse the system.
This is what happens when you have totalitarian bureaucracies like the EPA married up with libtard control of all branches of government. Nothing will stop them at this point other than revolution.
It’s as if they know that if we were going to revolt, we would have done it by now.
This latest EPA mandate is the last straw. They know that we will be begging for “Crap & Tax” in lieu of the alternative.
I, for one, will never accept either option.
Submit or resist. Those are the ONLY 2 options at this point.
Flyboy on December 7, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Problem is the Supremes have already ruled on this… and held regulating CO2 Constitutional…
Which just means to me that they are part of the problem, not the solution.
Romeo13 on December 7, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I would think if the winning legal arguments were based on bad, nonreproducible science, some type of redress should be in order.
a capella on December 7, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Expose Lisa Jackson, the head of the EPA. She didn’t do a good job when she worked for the state of NJ and Obama was warned about her. This woman allowed a day care center to go into an old thermometer factory, when the levels of mercury were much too high for small kids. Now, the kids have neurological problems.
http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=1136
njpat on December 7, 2009 at 7:02 PM
QUICK! EVERYONE STOP BREATHING!
GarandFan on December 7, 2009 at 7:02 PM
thats just it… Courts do not look at “science”. They will look at procedures and constitutionality…
If memory serves they have already said that the EPA can regulate CO2 by naming it a “pollutant”… and its up to the EPA to make that declaration (ie, within its power to do so)… Courts partialy DROVE this declaration.
Romeo13 on December 7, 2009 at 7:03 PM
http://www.peer.org/docs/epa/08_8_12_peer_ltr_opposing_jackson.pdf
njpat on December 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Massive power-grab by unelected federal bureaucrats. There is a simple word for it–tyranny. We’re all going to have to think carefully about what we can and must do to throw off the tyrants.
james23 on December 7, 2009 at 7:07 PM
The EPA needs to defunded entirely on anything to do with Greenhouse gas regulation. This should be a major issue in the next election. I think it will be, but you never know. If they persist then the entire Department needs to be disbanded and reorganized under a different mandate. EPA was created by Congress and can be reoranized by Congress.
whbates on December 7, 2009 at 7:07 PM
No, the Supremes have not ruled on the science, they ruled on the scope of the agency’s authority. The science can still be put on trial–
but, lets not lose sight of what has happened, it is a powergrab, socialists going around the people and their representatives. tyrants
james23 on December 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM
A court decision based upon a falshood or a lie MUST be revisited. It cannot be allowed to stand. DNA for innocent convicted “murderers”; an imponderance of evidence; just for a couple examples.
Farmer on December 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM
yes, but they may not do so arbitrarily. that’s where climategate comes in.
james23 on December 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Farewell America, I knew thee well.
BierManVA on December 7, 2009 at 7:12 PM
—Thanks for the needed shot of positivity, Farmer. You and I both know it’s easy to be worried and depressed… I certainly appreciate the optimism.
Best regards to you, sir.
-roscopico
roscopico on December 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Look, we should use whatever legal tools are available to beat back this thing, but what EPA did today is not primarily a legal issue. It is a political legitimacy issue. It is fundamentally inconsistent with the idea of Free America. Such an action calls for a response in kind–not merely another lawsuit.
james23 on December 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Who do you think gets to trade and charge commissions and derivatives on all of the cap and trade “credits”? That’s right! Goldmann-Sachs and friends! Wall Street will make billions trading these around while the rest of us bend over! Wall Street couldn’t be happier about the trade part and the cap part only hurts the “peons” not getting rich off the scheme, so what do they care!
Somebody needs to file a class action lawsuit against their university for putting 300 carbon dioxide emitters in their Poli Sci 101 class, since it is now a pollutant. Somebody needs to sue the transit authority of New York for putting too many carbon emitters too close together in the subways and busses. All based on the claim that the EPA now says those things put their health at risk!
PastorJon on December 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Next on the pollutant list: Dihydrogen monoxide. Breathing it will kill you.
jimmy2shoes on December 7, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Ha ha ha.. I just used an Alinsky tactic on my fb page and managed to hook a huge Warmist who is even going to Copenhagen this week.
It was simple, I posted:
“Since I care about my facebook friends, please research dihydrogen monoxide. Believed to contribute to global warming in its gaseous form, this chemical can be deadly. Please protect your family!!”
And linked to http://www.dhmo.org
She said “thanks, good to know!” No sarc tag or snickering, she was serious.
This proves she has no idea about chemistry and yet swallowed AlGore’s load to the point she paid to go to Copenhagen to “help save the planet”.
I guess this is what happens when you allow Unions to run your schools. Try it on your facebook page and see if you can catch any Warmists, too!
NTWR on December 7, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Jimmy2shoes! Great minds and all that…
NTWR on December 7, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Dense, are you? The EPA has just listed a NATURALLY OCCURRING ATMOSPHERIC GAS AS A POLLUTANT.
jimmy2shoes on December 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Problem is that there is no legal framework to sue bad “science”.
You can sue for damage, but you have to proove damage… and then its all about “standing”.
You also can’t sue the Government if its “doing its job”… even if it fails.
So, just who, and under what Law, will you move forward with a lawsuit to overturn this?
I mean no one could get standing to even look at the Precedents Birth Cert… you think there are going to grant standing to a citizen on this?
Romeo13 on December 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM
he EPA has just shown hat it is a criminal organization.
proconstitution on December 7, 2009 at 7:26 PM
I have got nothing to add here that has not already been said. Except I am furious.
kahall on December 7, 2009 at 7:26 PM
HA! You must own yer own biz, too!!!
Lissen, my friend……a feller named Jones said it best:
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How could we be discouraged? We ain’t even started yet!
Chin-up lad! We ain’t dead, and we ain’t crippled, and we’re mighty close to bein’ awful p!ssed off!
Farmer on December 7, 2009 at 7:31 PM
COME ON EPA..
You know you want to do it.
This CO2 is a pollutant is just a silly stopgap measure in what your real goal is:
Just skip all of your PC BS and declare HUMANITY to be the danger to the Earth’s health, and start killing us all.
A bullet in the head will be a lot less painful than starving and freezing us to death.
LegendHasIt on December 7, 2009 at 7:33 PM
What the heck was the reasoning of the Supreme Court when it gave the power to “legislate” acceptable carbon dioxide levels to the EPA?
onlineanalyst on December 7, 2009 at 7:34 PM
This is what happens when the ONLY check on Federal Power, is the Federal Government itself.
Romeo13 on December 7, 2009 at 7:36 PM
heh, the way I see it is that they’ve talked out they a$$ for so long that they’ve got the two orifices confused.
OkieDoc on December 7, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Reminds me of something said by George Carlin…
“The FDA has just announced that saliva causes stomach cancer… But only when swallowed in small quantities over an extended period of time.”
I gotta laugh or I’ll start crying about this idiocy.
Crusader Rabbit on December 7, 2009 at 7:43 PM
I read in the Washington Post Sunday that the most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and nitrogen and helium and CARBON and OXYGEN.
It is extreme hubris of the most stupid kind to think that a government agency would declare carbon dioxide as a pollutant. or whatever the Wise Ones in the EPA will call it. Molecular fascism is just another gift from the Anointed One.
Dhuka on December 7, 2009 at 7:48 PM
So does this mean the EPA will limit the number of speeches by Obama and Congress to reduce C02 emissions?
aikidoka on December 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM
C**ksuckers. I can call them that if it’s partially censored, right?
Darth Executor on December 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM
I’m employed at a small biz, but there have been so many shots across the bow of late many have quit counting. Small business is the largest employer, yet we follow the lead of big business. Yes, we’re mad as hell, and doomed resignation is not the way of Churchill or Patton.
I don’t know if you’ve read this post by the inestimably great Moe, but it reflects a seeming large mindset of business not rooted here firmly enough to suffer the promises of our Statist-in Chief and and the TOTUS.
We as Americans have a natural tilt toward self-determination, and I cannot wait for the pending Statist political bloodbath in 2010. I pray there are producers who share the cut of your jib still remaining when we Americans take back our greatest electoral mistake (in the second revolution of 2012).
May G-d Bless you, others like you, those of us arming the trenches, and the hopeful future of our Proud Nation.
Merry Christmas, from my family to yours!
roscopico on December 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Could the EPA regulate human population growth because we are literally polluters now?? Nah, that would be ridiculous.
Scranton on December 7, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Why don’t they start by banning flights overseas to large lavish parties?
CWforFreedom on December 7, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Well, this puts a whole new twist on ‘Waiting to Exhale’
ZeeMI on December 7, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Still think there will be elections in 2010 do you?
I’m not so sure. What was it that Nancy said? Something about BO and her congress needed more then two terms to fix the mess? They are no longer afraid to put their goals and plans out in the open because they know that they have in fact won and nothing, not even a revolt can stop them. Half this country wanted a king and now they got their wish.
RagTag on December 7, 2009 at 8:18 PM
False.
Carbon Monoxide is a naturally-occurring substance in the air, and the EPA declared it a danger long ago.
But of course this doesn’t even matter, as it’s not the naturally-occurring levels of CO2 (or CO) that the EPA is concerned about.
orange on December 7, 2009 at 8:23 PM
huh? anything man does is natural. what do you think we are, supernatural or something? and where do we get this carbon to burn hmmmmmm?? does it just magically appear?
right4life on December 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Yes and carbon levels and temperature levels have been higher and lower in Earth’s history.
Go ahead and bend over to big government. We know you cannot wait but don’t take everyone else with you. You are a willing dupe for the largest scam ever.
CWforFreedom on December 7, 2009 at 8:33 PM
oh and I wish you libs would put your money where your mouth is, and save gaia, by committing hari-kari!!
right4life on December 7, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Orange good luck when this sinks our economy further . A pox on your house you sick aholee.
CWforFreedom on December 7, 2009 at 8:35 PM
This is a lie. Carbon levels have been much, much higher in the past, and strangely enough, it didn’t wipe all life from the face of the earth. Where do you think all those fossil fuels we burn come from?
Darth Executor on December 7, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Oh, all this has reminded me of something that needs remembering. Two and a half years ago, during the amnesty push, there was a lot of talk that we had to listen to business interests on amnesty or they would start going to the Democratic side. A column by Daniel Henninger of the Wall Street Journal comes to mind (though his was not overly egregious and I have no great issues with the man).
And I remember saying at the time that the business interests were entirely free to depart the conservative fold as they wished, because they would not receive good treatment at the hand of their new friends. I today feel vindicated.
Corporate America will not save itself. It will be saved by others. Remember that next time they come by asking for special pleadings. For saved it must be–but not deferred to. Because it is a creature of the wind, going where it blows–even onto rocks.
Thus, it is not always true that what is good for corporate America is good for America (though it is a good way to bet most of the time). And that is also what I said two and a half years ago–that when the prodigal came back, it should not expect the fatted calf to be killed in celebration. Instead, it should get merely a place at the family table. Which should be enough.
Horatius on December 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Folks like Orange want to be told what to do. They are like children.
CWforFreedom on December 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM
That is exactly how environmentalists feel. Humans are not part of nature because in their opinion we do not live in harmony with nature. I’m going to paraphrase Mark Twain.
Beavers build a dam and flood an area for their own purposes, without regard for other creatures and it is good and natural. Humans build a dam for their own purposes and it is evil and against nature.
The fight has been going on for centuries and that is why I say environmentalists are nothing more then modern day pagans pushing their religion on the rest of us. Our problem is our failure to recognize them as the pagans there are.
RagTag on December 7, 2009 at 8:46 PM
IDIOTS!!!
DougDavis on December 7, 2009 at 8:50 PM
IF they REALLY thought AGW was real they WOULD NOT BE gathering 15000 people or so in Copenhagen. Most have to fly there and flying is one of the worst causes of pollution. It is BS. They don’t really believe it themselves.
This is about money and free prostitutes(well kind of about the ho-s)
CWforFreedom on December 7, 2009 at 8:51 PM
That’s fine with me. I’ll be more than happy to tell him what to do and in return he doesn’t try to cripple the world’s economy with disastrous fiscal policies aimed at solving a phantom problem.
Darth Executor on December 7, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Now my advice for those who die/
Declare the pennies on your eyes.
- George Harrison, Taxman
And let’s not forget silicon-based life, like the Horta. Will there be a silicon tax? Oh, wait… isn’t there already a provision for taxing breast implants in the Senate bill?
malclave on December 7, 2009 at 9:05 PM
I’m sorry I’m late to the party, but I just got home. Has anyone yet pointed out how embarrassing this quote is?
A major component of the atmosphere? Are you kidding me?
e-pirate on December 7, 2009 at 9:26 PM
e-pirate more concerned with playing games with the semantics of his political opponents than in the truth behind the largest hoax foisted on the people of the globe.
Classic.
Maybe it is a major component not in ppm but in necessity for the existence of life. But let us not parse words.
daesleeper on December 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Dont be silly, of course not. This isnt about CO2 being a dangerous pollutant, it’s about something the government can tax you for. They want you to breath, because they intend to tax you for every breath you take.
doriangrey on December 7, 2009 at 9:54 PM
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