Dems cut Medicare home health services to fund coverage of uninsured
posted at 11:36 am on December 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Over the weekend, the Senate cut a key Medicare service aimed at invalids in an attempt to find the money to pay for ObamaCare. On a 53-41 vote, Senate Democrats cut $43 billion from home health-care services. Democrats insisted that they were cutting waste and abuse, but the end result will be less care for seniors. The New York Times reports on the vote:
By a vote of 53 to 41, the Senate on Saturday rejected a Republican effort to block cutbacks in payments to home health agencies that provide nursing care and therapy to homebound Medicare beneficiaries.
Republicans voted against the cuts, saying they would hurt some of the nation’s most vulnerable citizens. Most Democrats supported the cutbacks, saying they would eliminate waste and inefficiency in home care.
The Democrats’ health care bill would reduce projected Medicare spending on home care by $43 billion, or 13 percent, over the next 10 years. The savings would help offset the cost of subsidizing coverage for the uninsured. …
Mr. Baucus, a principal author of the health care bill, noted that his mother was receiving home health care and said he would not do anything to hurt beneficiaries.
“We are reducing overpayments,” Mr. Baucus said. “We are rooting out fraud. We are getting the waste out. The savings go back in Medicare and extend the solvency of the trust fund.”
Baucus is wrong on both counts. The money goes to funding coverage of the uninsured, which comes primarily through Medicaid, not Medicare, and federal subsidies in the exchange program. The money will go out of Medicare and not come back, which should be rather obvious anyway. If the money stayed in Medicare, it wouldn’t be cut out of it in an amendment — and be part of almost $500 billion in proposed Medicare cuts in ObamaCare proposals.
As for “reducing overpayments,” that’s Beltway speak for rationing. Who defines overpayment? It’s not the providers. This is just another compensation cut that will force more providers out of the Medicare home health care market. That means fewer choices, or none at all, for invalid seniors who rely on home health care to survive. It’s no different than any of the other cuts to provider compensation that already has many of them refusing to take Medicare patients.
Gary Gross posts the transcript of an interview with Neil Johnson, executive director of the Minnesota Home Health Care Association:
JOHNSON: Well there’s no question & the bill’s over 2,000 pages & it’s very complex. We’re very concerned about the home health care aspects of it. We’re looking at, depending on which bill we’re talking about, the House bill cuts home health care by $56 billion over 10 years & the Senate bill, it’s something like $45 billion over 10 years. That’s about a 14.5% cut for home care & we’re about 4.5% of Medicare’s expenditures, so it’s a significant cut.
HAUSER: How many Minnesotans right now have home care?
JOHNSON: Well, we’re looking at…the estimates are 68,000-70,0000 people last year, in 2007 excuse me, & 28,000 received Medicare services & another 30-40,000 received medical assistance services.
HAUSER: And what’s gonna be the practical impact if these cuts were to go through?
JOHNSON: Well, certainly access is an issue & we’re certainly worried about that but the many agencies are hanging on the edge right now. Medicare has been a good payer for most providers in the state of Minnesota & combined with medical assistance & some waiver payments & some private payments & long-term care but Medicare has been a key factor in providing needed skill services to the citizens of Minnesota.
HAUSER: There seems to be a disconnect here because people look at home care as a way to bring down costs that are often associated with hospital stays. I know 60 Minutes just did a segment on this & they said it was a good way for people at the end of their lives of saving spending $5-10,000 a day so why’s that being targeted?
JOHNSON: Well, I think it’s an easy target because people don’t really understand what home care providers do. But, yeah, we think we’re the best alternative out there. It’s efficient. It’s productive & it’s where people want to spend the rest of their lives…
Jazz Shaw notes that Democrats used to scream that Republicans wanted to kill seniors through Medicare cuts. Now …
This became something of a standard talking point during both the 2004 and 2008 presidential elections. As the story went, Democrats cared about seniors and their particular needs. Republicans wanted to cut Medicare and were plotting to kill your grandparents. My, what a difference one election makes, eh?









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Who were the 6 chickens who didn’t vote?
SouthernGent on December 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM
AARP!
artist on December 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM
This is completely insane. They are cutting waste and fraud by cutting the budget???
Why don’t they eliminate waste and fraud, show a surplus and how awesomely awesome they are at running health insurance before trying to sell us this ponzi scheme???
cntrlfrk on December 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM
So these aren’t death panels then, they’ll just let grandma die.
This bill is going to suck when it passes. All this crap is BS. They need to kill it and start over.
Brat4life on December 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM
It’s the crackpot whole life nonsense. Kill the old, abort the unneeded and unwanted, and brainwash the young.
tarpon on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I’ll take a wild guess and say Obama’s Death Panel.
Ted Torgerson on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Another fork stuck in the Donkey!….
Will repeal this crap in 10
hawkman on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I would say that they just want everyone to die and get it over with already, but I realize they wouldn’t have any tax revenue. It’s clear that liberal eugenics is the way to go. Only the fit shall survive (liberal medical policies) while the young, ill and old (who can’t be taxed/work) are expendable. Tell me that’s not what’s happening here.
Diane on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Two good reasons for the dems to gut this program.
LASue on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
There we go, that’s more honest.
cs89 on December 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Could someone please have Mr Baucus define ‘Overpayments’? I’d really like to know what he thinks that means.
PappaMac on December 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM
The Democrats are biting the hand that feeds them.
kingsjester on December 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Is this the funding the states receive to pay for the SEIU home-care program that has been exploding in some states like CA?
In the coming budget CA pays $5.5 Billion for this SEIU program with the Federal government paying $4 Billion. If they cut this funding the budget crisis in the states is going to get even worse.
JeffinSac on December 7, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Just as my mom and dad are starting to think that they may need some homecare for my dad, a Korean War- the Forgotten War-vet, they do this. Dems, If I could punt you to Siberia or an atoll about to go underwater, I would.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 7, 2009 at 11:47 AM
“President Ogabe will require you to die, he won’t allow you to linger as a useless mouth, he will require that you expire and make room for a young voter more easily fooled.”
Bishop on December 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM
I call BS~! You do not need to legislate eliminating fraud. The agency itself should be doing that, not an act of congress.
Johnnyreb on December 7, 2009 at 11:50 AM
BS. I’m sure if this had been the case I would’ve heard nothing but outrage from all the media outlets all weekend and all morning today.
/s (But if BUSH had done this… Remember when Bush was pushing Medicare D and the Democrats were complaining that it was both a> too expensive and b> didn’t do enough?)
Skywise on December 7, 2009 at 11:52 AM
For Democrats, “getting the waste out” means “condemning old people to death who cost money to keep alive and would only vote against us anyway.”
teke184 on December 7, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Let the markets work to reduce medical costs. If we are going to use tax dollars to subsidize someone’s care then better the young than the old.
As the boomers age, Medicare costs will need to be reigned in to handle the demographic shift.
dedalus on December 7, 2009 at 11:53 AM
So, we throw our seniors under the bus in the interest of providing recent immigrants an easier path to thew local health clinic?
These older folks are the people that fought in the past few wars and sent their kids to a few too.
Obowma will step on anyone to get his name in the books on this one. Worst president ever right before our eyes.
FireBlogger on December 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM
The GOP should not feel ashamed about hanging this around the Dems necks. Remember the school lunch program and the GOP starving needy kids??????
rock the casbah on December 7, 2009 at 11:55 AM
I have a client who provides home health care to her elderly aunt. She receive $2200/mo from the State of AZ. and in return, she attends to her aunt 16 hours a day. The other 8 she spends working outside the home. While she is out of the home, she hires a nurse to be with her aunt.
Without this program, her aunt would have to tended to by a professional an add’l 16 hours per day which would mean she would have to be put in a State run or funded retirement home. The cost of this type of care is double or triple the expense vs. the home health care option. And the quality of life issue isn’t even comparable.
DrW on December 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM
OT: I wanted to take this opportunity to confess that I too have been a mistress to Tiger Woods.
faraway on December 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM
My wife is a home healthcare nurse of over forty years. I can only say that the amount of time spent on government bureacracy accounts for the largest part of her time. it started with the push for accountability and now one cannot care as well for the patients simply because most of the time is spent being accountable. New cumbersome and confusing bureaucratic monstrosities arrive to replace the last bureaucratic monstrocity that failed, and are routine. It is just a preview of what we are about to see from Obamacare.
Don L on December 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM
An “overpayment” or “fraudulent payment” is the amount paid to each member of Congress in salary and benefits… in excess of $1.
TXUS on December 7, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Then you must be white, probably blonde, and just a little bit on the trashy side.
; ^ )
TXUS on December 7, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Yeah, sorry – if you want to cut fraud and waste, you do it. Cutting back on spending won’t cut fraud and waste out – it just reduces the total spending (in fact, might not reduce *any* fraud/waste if the perpetrators of said fraud/waste are determined not to take a reduction).
Oh, and ‘grandma got run over by the senate’ would be a fun parody. I’ve got the studio and experience doing parodies – anyone want to flesh out the lyrics? ;)
Midas on December 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Democrats rooting out fraud? ROFLMAO.
MikeA on December 7, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Most of these shut-ins, (to use a politically incorrect term), would probably vote for the Dems anyway. They’re just weighing the costs of these lost votes against the savings they’ll reap by not having to shuttle them to the polls. /S
singer on December 7, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Just like Alan Grayson predicted .. “Die Faster”
.. but that was supposed to be the Republicans, not the Democrats.
J_Crater on December 7, 2009 at 12:04 PM
My guess is the fine print will exclude SEIU from the cuts, thus driving anyone who wishes to continue working in home health care into the hands of the union.
Usful Ijit on December 7, 2009 at 12:06 PM
The Dems probably realize that ACORN
received enough stimulus money to
get all who voted to cut the program,
re-elected NO MATTER WHAT!
elderberry on December 7, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Democrats are sounding more and more like the ancient Sparta civilization, except instead of breeding children and only keeping the most healthy for their military they are going to turn them all into Peace Corps workers.
Just A Grunt on December 7, 2009 at 12:06 PM
So that’s how you eliminate waste! Simply reduce the budget for an item by the amount that you feel is “waste” and presto! No more waste!Who knew that it was so easy?
Tonus on December 7, 2009 at 12:08 PM
I would say that they just want everyone to die and get it over with already, but I realize they wouldn’t have any tax revenue. It’s clear that liberal eugenics is the way to go. Only the fit shall survive (liberal medical policies) while the young, ill and old (who can’t be taxed/work) are expendable. Tell me that’s not what’s happening here.
Diane on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
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And don’t forget the poor…. they are double expendable.
They pay no taxes and they get money from the government.
They must be exterminated also.
Obamacare = Legal Selective Extermination
ms on December 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Sorry, better caption for the front page:
Grandma got run over by acid rain, dear
stoutcat on December 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Don, the pols/Dims should talk to your wife before blowing up the entire program.
FireBlogger on December 7, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Midas on December 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM
First verse:
Grandma got run over by the Senate,
Coming home from the hospital today,
You can say the liberals wouldn’t do that,
But as for me and Grandpa, we believe.
Anybody got the next one?
cs89 on December 7, 2009 at 12:15 PM
The Democrats are biting the hand that feeds them.
kingsjester on December 7, 2009 at 11:46 AM
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Not when you are ruled by a Totalitarian government.
They can do what they will with you….. which is what they are pretty much doing now anyway.
Democrats = Totalitarian government
ms on December 7, 2009 at 12:15 PM
It’s like bizarro world that they even suggest passing legislation that cuts Medicare. If there are savings from overpayment in Medicare, they should be cut to STRENGTHEN MEDICARE. And it should be cut because it should be cut, not because Congress all of a sudden needs the money to pay for something else.
I never in a million years thought that they would come out of committee with this bill that was financed primarily through Medicare cuts. If you had told me this would happen a year ago, I’d have bet everything I had against it.
As it turns out, ANY politician that votes to cut Medicare will vote to cut their own position in the Senate. Older people are on Medicare. Older people vote more than anyone. Older people use more health services than anyone. If you take money from them to give to young and healthy people (though uninsured), put it on the tombstone of their political career.
ThackerAgency on December 7, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Eugenics at work.
Fletch54 on December 7, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Cripes, this is insanity. Do these asshats even understand how home health works? I relied on it heavily when my grandmother was still with me and I don’t know what I would have done without it. A lot of people are discharged to home health after their 21 days in the hospital is up (as that’s all Medicare pays for) and they need these services in order to fully recover. It might surprise these yahoos to know that many people DO recover. They just need a little extra assistance in the way of physical therapy, etc. until they’re back at themselves again. And for caregivers like me and the millions of other family members who sacrifice time at work, activities and other things in their lives to care for their loved ones (and I’m not complaining, believe me — I would not have trusted anyone else to look after my grandmother full time), home health is an absolute essential. It boggles the mind that they would try to make things even harder for people.
NoLeftTurn on December 7, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Remember the ads about Bush pushing Grandma off a cliff in a wheelchair because he wanted private savings accounts from Social Security taxes?
The GOP needs to remake those ads, with Obama, Reid, and Baucus pushing Grandma off the cliff…
Steve Z on December 7, 2009 at 12:22 PM
This kind of defeats the dems logic of everyone being insured and treated. Home care is part of the treatment process. So if the uninsured are required to be treated by lessing treatment of others then hhhmmmm are they lying???? So, again this proves this bill is NOTHING other than a tax and eugenics bill! WOW they can’t be this stupid to think we can’t figure that out. This group of marxist continually double speak with disregard to what they say!
xler8bmw on December 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM
House Democrats Unveil Health Care Bill Cutting Billions from Medicare on Steps of Aztec Ziggurat http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/10/house-democrats-introduce-health-care.html
Mervis Winter on December 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Thacker, you are so correct. I’ve been in an ongoing email battle with AARP on the issue of cutting Medicare coverage, and it seems that no one over there or in the Dem. party cares at all about senior citizens. They should all be fire and/or voted out of office…. My 2 cents
chai on December 7, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Herein lies the biggest flaw of our governmental system as currently abused by the Dems: it is easy to make decisions like this when you, personally, can never be affected. If you have a dandy medical-care package, superb pension plan and the promise of easy money coming in forever from those special-interest groups whose interests you have championed, why should you worry about taking actions that will hurt millions of people?
You know what’s good for them, after all, and know it is better for you to have control of the money they would have wasted on things like home-care for the elderly. When there are still towns you represent that don’t have fancy government buildings with your name on them, sacrifices must be made!
Frankly, those 53 Senators should be escorted away from their offices. Preferably in handcuffs. They are, at a minimum, traitors.
MrScribbler on December 7, 2009 at 12:28 PM
She recovered from pnuemonia
But was feeling pretty weak
So we ordered medication
And home health and therapy.
We were told Medicare would cover
And she wanted to go home
So we took her to her bedroom
And waited for the home health nurse to come.
When she woke up the next morning
To see if assistance had arrived
We called and learned it had been canceled
Unless each hour we paid them 95.
(Repeat first verse)
cs89 on December 7, 2009 at 12:30 PM
That’s the funny and disingenuous thing about this whole debate. The president only cares about the appearance of support of people on Medicare. No poll matters to him more than ‘AARP endorses our plan’. For some reason, they think this means everyone on Medicare wants to have their benefits cuts.
For some reason they think that an endorsement from AARP means they have a blank check to steal whatever they want from Medicare. They don’t care about facts. They only care about the appearances. The AARP doesn’t speak for most older people. But they do speak for the left of the political spectrum.
ThackerAgency on December 7, 2009 at 12:33 PM
It’s the crackpot whole life nonsense. Kill the old, abort the unneeded and unwanted, and brainwash the young.
tarpon on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Speaking of brainwashing:http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/dec/03/supplies-with-obama-logo-surprise-school/
faol on December 7, 2009 at 12:34 PM
It’s the crackpot whole life nonsense. Kill the old, abort the unneeded and unwanted, and brainwash the young.
tarpon on December 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
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“Whole life” is the new touchy, feel good words for Eugenics.
ms on December 7, 2009 at 12:34 PM
EUGENICS!
Daveyardbird on December 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM
The federal government shouldn’t be paying for anyone’s medical care, period.
Expecting people to plan ahead for their retirement and set aside money so that they can continue to pay for their own health care is not the same thing as hating old people and wanting grandma to die. Especially given the fact that, on average, senior citizens tend to be wealthier (due to a lifetime of working and accumulating assets) than their younger counterparts.
Unfortunately, no one in politics is willing to say this because it’s a career killer. Instead, the party making decisions will make small to medium cuts which the party out of power will demagogue (both parties do it, they just flip flop their roles every few years) all in the name of getting reelected.
JadeNYU on December 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Death Panels.
portlandon on December 7, 2009 at 12:42 PM
excellent
cmsinaz on December 7, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Here’s my very quick stab at it…..
Grandma got runned over by Harry Reid, dear
Walking home from the voting poll last eve
You can say there’s no such thing as Evil,
But as for me and Grandpa, we believe.
She’d been drinkin’ too much koolaid,
And we’d begged her not to vote.
But she fell for all the hopenchange,
And stumbled out the door without her coat.
When they found her the next mornin’,
At the scene of the attack,
There were 666 prints on her forehead,
And incriminatin’ devil marks on her back.
Grandma got runned over by Harry Reid, dear
Walking home from the voting poll last eve
You can say there’s no such thing as Evil,
But as for me and Grandpa, we believe.
Now we’re all so proud of Grandpa,
He’s been takin’ this good as we can expect.
See him in there watchin’ CNN,
Drinkin koolaid and hollerin about Glenn Beck.
It’s just not the same without Grandma.
All the family’s dressed in black.
And we just can’t help but wonder:
Should we vote for crappy dems again or send them back?
Grandma got runned over by Harry Reid, dear
Walking home from the voting poll last eve
You can say there’s no such thing as Evil,
But as for me and Grandpa, we believe.
Now the public option and abortion are on the table
And we see death panels the dems say aren’t there
They tell us they know what’s best for us,
While behind our backs they are cutting medicare
I’ve warned all my friends and neighbors.
“Better watch out for yourselves.
They should never give power,
To a man who looks like the devil and plays with our health.”
Grandma got runned over by Harry Reid, dear
Walking home from the voting poll last eve
You can say there’s no such thing as Evil,
But as for me and Grandpa, we believe.
Oh
As for me and Grandpa, we believe.
atlgal on December 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM
If only these clowns would turn their auditing talent to the private sector, advertisers would know not only that half their budget was wasted, but which half.
Barnestormer on December 7, 2009 at 12:49 PM
2008, my Mom had a stroke. She was on medicare at the time. When she came out, she had to go through some therapy. I’m glad they were there for her.
I can only imagine if she would be in a fix of needing something more or if another family member would need something more and it not be there. Woe be unto the Congress and preseident if it is not. I’m getting real tired of this garbage.
From there point of view, lets fund WELFARE and give health care to all of the free loaders who do nothing more than have babies, don;t take responsibility for their actions, do drugs, and cry “Poor pitiful me for the way my life has turned out!”
Frak’em!
Orion Prime on December 7, 2009 at 12:54 PM
TWO WORDS……
DEATH PANELS
PappyD61 on December 7, 2009 at 12:54 PM
The In Home Support Services in CA is a program funded by Medical, not Medicare, according to my social worker. These are family members or friends ( lay people) who are taking care of patients who would otherwise not be able to live at home any longer. I’m forced to be a member of SEIU, and it makes me sick.
nyrofan on December 7, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Jade your correct to a point. I agree the gov has NO business paying for HC for anybody. But, unfortunately many are not wealthy from a lifetime of work. Many had/have the mindset that SS/medicare would be enough to live on and went through life thinking they could depend on this service and did not save for their so-called golden years. You are also, not taking into consideration those that don;t have the type of jobs that allowed them to NOT live paycheck to paycheck much of our middle class live this way.
The gov since FDR’s New Deal has allowed this mindset to be indoctrinated into many of our elderly. As time went on w/other democrats LBJ/Carter they only increased the gov role in providing for the lower classes which inturn made them dependent on the gov. This HC bill is another legislation that only increses reliance on the gov instead of themselves. This point in time should make everyone realize that the gov subsidies to the poor and lower classes is not designed to make people responsible but, make them reliant. In our history of our legislators we have had since 1913 a majority of democrats to republicans 31-17. Now take a look at your country! The democrats have been responsible for the decline of middle class in this country and to have them rely on the gov for their needs. Now everyone is dissenting.
We are the LAST country with the largest majority of middle class. How do you conrol the people? Get rid of the middle class! Cuba is a perfect example of this type of government. In the 1960′s when Castro took over he needed to get rid of the dissenters to keep power. So, what did he do he shipped them here. That is what all the boat people were the dissenters of his regime. get rid of the dissenters then your take over will not be overthrown.
xler8bmw on December 7, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Baucus takes time out from screwing his staff to make time for screwing seniors.
BuckeyeSam on December 7, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Hey, We’ve gotta find a way to care of the Illegal Immigrants and their families, some how! Even if it means killing my parents, the democrats must stay politically correct! I’m sick of these Bast@!#$!
rook105 on December 7, 2009 at 12:58 PM
God you republicans can’t find a government service you don’t like when its actually time to cut the size of government and be fiscally responsible. This is exactly why no one that believes in limited government should trust the right. You don’t actually want to cut government, you want to talk about cutting government, then slam the opposition when they actually do it. I realize the Faustian bargain here (tout one entitlement Medicare to destroy another Obamacare) and while that might work on the short term (defeating Obmamacare) you are actually sabotaging any attempt to reduce the size of gov in the future. For those who are going to respond that home health care is important and we waste more money on more trivial things, just realize that someone can use that arguement for anything. All those billions are important to someone!
snoopicus on December 7, 2009 at 1:04 PM
snoopicus on December 7, 2009 at 1:04 PM
I for one am in favor of budget cuts.
Here, the Dems deserve to be hit, hard and publicly, for their hypocrisy. Additionally, it’s pretty clear they aren’t interesting in reducing the size of govt.- just cutting some areas to “make room” to expand their pet projects/slush funds.
So, no, they get no pass on this from me.
cs89 on December 7, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Of course this will produce rationing. At a minimum, if you are on Medicare and you have a home health aide visiting you three times a week, that will be cut back to two. Or if you have been assigned a HH aide for 2 weeks after surgery, that will be cut back to one week. Is this “cutting waste”? Only if you are not the recipient of the care or the family member getting some respite when the home health aide arrives.
This will lead to more and earlier deaths of seniors. Right now Medicare forces hospitals to kick people out within a day or two of even the most serious surgery. The home health visits are intended to be a lower-cost way of delivering recovery care to seniors in their homes. If this home care gets cut back too, you can be sure there will be seniors who have complications at home after surgery and end up dying because they were sent home too soon and had too little follow-up care.
It’s nice of the Democrats to finally admit that their Medicare creation is bankrupting the country. I just wish the Guard Dog Media would report it this way.
rockmom on December 7, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Hey, I’m all in favor of cutting Medicare. I’m not sure we should be rooting for the GOP to becoming the party of expanding entitlements forever. They got their hands dirty with the scrip drug benefit, I’m concerned they’re starting to enjoy the old lefty game of pandering to the elderly.
As Reason magazine frequently points out, old people typically have more wealth than younger ones. Medicare essentially robs from the (relatively) poor and gives to the (relatively) rich. We should be in favor of any effort to rein it in.
Enrique on December 7, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Illegal aliens, SI!
Old citizens no……
frizzbee on December 7, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Wow it didn’t take long for someone to walk into that one! Isn’t this how the left spins every service or benefit cut! A reduction of one visit per week sent this right wingers entitlement addled mind into a tizzy. Oh no heaven forbid seniors pay for their services!!!
So we now fight hypocracy with hypocracy….that sounds hypocritical ;)
snoopicus on December 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM
I have been a home health and hospice nurse for 13 years. All I can say is OUCH. Not for me per say but for the people I take care of. Medicare age is primarily what I take care of but we do medicaid and private insurance as well. I understand there is a lot of fraud out there, we go to great lengths to make sure we cross every t and dot every i. To think this will save money is beyond me. I couldn’t even begin to tell you how many re-hospitalizations have been avoided by doing a routine assessment, called the doc and telling him Mr So and SO needs to have his diuretic increased he is filling up with fluid again. (just one example). I can say this when I started, the paperwork was very simple. Now when I go do an admit I have 30 screens on my computer to fill out just of questions I ask during our initial visit. Everything from “can you reach in the closet and get your clothes off the hanger and put them on yourself?” to finding out if they can do light housekeeping vs deep cleaning. Thankfully they got rid of the “are you sexually active?” question a few years back! Medicare reimburses on how the score you get after all answers are tabulated. I will say this though, the paperwork for Home Health doesn’t begin to compare to Hospice paperwork. Just seems to me that there has to be some commen sense answers to saving money in Medicare, I don’t feel this is one of them.
proudteadrinker on December 7, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Are you really serious???? This has nothing to do with cuts. How on earth are they cutting the size of governement by cutting one service and providing for another service????? If they were really cutting they wouldn;t be providing EITHER! Did you read the article? The are cutting one service to the elderly to provide for the uninsured! Seriously what alternative universe do you live in?????
xler8bmw on December 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM
I realize that genuis please wiki Faustian Bargain and increase your vocab. My criticism is that on this site the right is attacking the left for cutting a service for seniors. I realize they are not advocating a cut in total size and that they plan to use this money elsewhere. My point is that the spending itself should be attacked. Republicans are in the strange position of protecting one entitlement Medicare from another Obamacare. Both are a wrong in my book because people should pay for their own healthcare or not recieve it. Is your arguement that the government should provide it through medicare and not Obamacare or that Medicare is good and should be defended and that Obamacare is bad? You can’t have it both ways. Either socialized medicine is good or bad, not good in Medicare and bad in Obamacare.
snoopicus on December 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM
These aren’t the Death Panels you are looking for.
Cody Baker on December 7, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Oh no heaven forbid seniors pay for their services!!!
snoopicus on December 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM
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This isn’t about seniors paying for their services.
This is the first step toward eugenics.
1. Reduce Medicare for seniors (if the seniors can pay, then let them pay. if they can’t pay, let them do without and die…. preferably quickly so we don’t have to give them much social security)
2. Put seniors in Obamacare ( give limited permission to obtain healthcare, it’s needed for the illegal aliens. if the government doesn’t give permission, then the seniors can’t go any needed healthcare….even if they can afford it. so they die….. preferably quickly)
liberal/progressives = Eugenics
ms on December 7, 2009 at 1:55 PM
ms= stupid or crazy
snoopicus on December 7, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Your snide remarks are not necessary! Attacking my education when not knowing my education status shows your ignorance to protect your unintelligent original statement. Trying to use big words like “Faustian Bargain” does not make you sound intelligent considering it has NOTHING to do with the article. Now on to my argument. The government has NO right or constitutional authority to provide HC in any regard or legal or otherwise. They are limited in their powers under the constitution and those powers ONLY. Any power they’re not relegated goes to the people.
While on the subject of the Constitution, while most misinformed people believe that the core of rights contained therein is in the Bill of Rights, the real core of rights is Article I, Section 8, the powers of Congress which, when coupled with the 10th Amendment, essentially says that the Federal government cannot do anything unless it is on that list, or covered by an Amendment (such as the income tax, covered by the 16th Amendment). So, unconstitutional are:
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Food Stamps
Public Housing
Welfare programs
EPA/environmental regulations
OSHA/workplace safety regulations
Wagner Act (forced negotiations with unions)
Minimum wage
Child labor laws
Product liability laws
Anti-discrimination laws (at least by non-government entities)
And I could go on…
If the democrat party had any interest in enforcing the Constitution, they would demand every one of these be eliminated immediately, period. Fat chance.
xler8bmw on December 7, 2009 at 2:02 PM
ms= stupid or crazy
snoopicus on December 7, 2009 at 1:59 PM
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typical liberal…… will ALWAYS resort to name calling
ms on December 7, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Looks like grandma is considered a shovel-ready project.
parteagirl on December 7, 2009 at 2:04 PM
O an OT:
Foxnews is reporting that Harry Reid has gone off the deep end and accused those who oppose Obamacare to people who opposed: ending slavery, women’s suffrage, or opposed the civil rights movement.
I tried to email the tips link from the Foxnews site but it isn’t going through.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 7, 2009 at 2:24 PM
We need to ask dems if all they are cutting is waste and abuse then why has it not been done already? And, why then are there not people going to prison for fraud of tax payer money?
How can they cut waste and abuse when they do not know where it is? They must really think we are stupid!
patriotparty1 on December 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM
And who gets into the home health care market with this? SEIU of course the other corrupt arm of ACORN which funnels workers dues money to ACORN to pay for voter fraud!
I sure hope when we get repubs and new people in we can tear ACORN and SEIU and along with it Obama, the dems and their vote rigged elections branch by branch.
patriotparty1 on December 7, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Harry Reid should educate himself since it was republicans who ened slavery and were the majority for civil rights vote in congress. Democrats were against both. Wilson a democrat was AGAINST woman’s sufferage and by pressure finally submitted because of the unlawful arrest of Alice Paul.
xler8bmw on December 7, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Harry Reid should educate himself since it was republicans who ened slavery and were the majority for civil rights vote in congress. Democrats were against both. Wilson a democrat was AGAINST woman’s sufferage and by pressure finally submitted because of the unlawful arrest of Alice Paul.
xler8bmw on December 7, 2009 at 2:32 PM
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Hey Harry…. you get a point for the Democrats being behind the Klan.
ms on December 7, 2009 at 2:41 PM
I’ll need more information on this one. In CA, the home health care situation is a complete fiasco.
It should be cut.
AnninCA on December 7, 2009 at 2:45 PM
DeathNeglect PanelsLaura in Maryland on December 7, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Are they still going to cut MedicareAdvantage?
Blake on December 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM
SEIU home-health workers will be exempt, of course, or given some fancy feel-good title that achieves the same. Jug-ears already signaled his intent with the bullying tactics used against the California pols who were trying to rescue their abysmally broken budget earlier this year.
hillbillyjim on December 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Seriously, people. The home healthcare deal in CA is absurd. You get paid for taking soup to your spouse.
I need more information about what is being cut before jumping on this bandwagon.
AnninCA on December 7, 2009 at 2:52 PM
I’m waiting to get legitimate information rather than the spin on this one.
Are they talking about not supplementing people who are getting subsidized with this benefit?
I can’t find a simple answer. If that’s the case? No big loss. There are people supplementing their cruise schedules with tax dollars right now. I get that much. And that’s OK to cut.
But there are a lot of questions about this, because a lot of people AREN’T abusing the system.
Where’s the cut?
AnninCA on December 7, 2009 at 2:54 PM
SEIU and ACORN are needed right now by Oba-mao. He is using them to get his goals accomplished.
When the timing is right…. he will stab them in the back also.
They are only “useful idiots”.
ms on December 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Yes, and this administration protected the “workers”, mostly SEIU flunkies and frauds, from any cuts by threatening to withhold stimulus funds.
hillbillyjim on December 7, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Ever heard of “fighting fire with fire?” Or the more contemporary Alinsky pattern of “make them live up to their own rules?”
You can’t fight sucker-punchers like the DNC by the Marquis of Queensbury rules.
For a historical example of why, see the British outrage when American colonists wouldn’t like up in neat little rows on the battlefield.
cs89 on December 7, 2009 at 3:13 PM
The company that I work for will go out of business if they do that. And that will not only hurt the people who will lose the services, it will hurt providers as well.
Terrye on December 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM
I have home-health workers in my family… what are we/they to do?
Hunt035 on December 7, 2009 at 3:38 PM
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