Audio: “I don’t want to have to kill this man, but I’ll kill him graveyard dead”
posted at 5:56 pm on December 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
I’d call it a palate cleanser except that it’s too riveting and simply … too sad for that. Not only is this poor woman put through the wringer, it sounds like the guy breaking in was out of his gourd: They didn’t know each other, yet he was screaming threats and resorted to throwing patio furniture through the back door to get in. Reportedly, when the cops found his sister to let her know, she was so high she was nearly unconscious, so that’s the theory for his behavior at the moment. No word yet on what he was on.
I hope the NYPD would have been as supportive as the dispatcher is at the end here, but New York ain’t Oklahoma, needless to say. Exit quotation from the sheriff: “This was nothing more than a home invasion and Mrs. Jackson was defending herself.”
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Consider this folks–The police did not arrive until 16 minutes after the man broke down the door.
mojojojo on December 7, 2009 at 7:16 PM
This is Oklahoma. I can almost guarantee he was a Meth head, nothing short of overwhelming force would have stopped him. Also you will have to look pretty hard here to find anyone who will have any problem with what was done including LE/DA.
Aviator on December 7, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Thanks.
I remember an NRA infomercial I saw about Great Britain and Australia. One part had scenes from a shop that destroyed the firearms they took with a cutting wheel. It didn’t matter if the were modern or beautiful relics. Three cuts and they were gone. A lot of them were what I would consider works of art. Sad!
hawkdriver on December 7, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Yes but the National Socialists that want to take away your right to defend yourself would say that’s it would be more important that this nut case be still alive and the Law-abiding citizen were dead…
Because if it saves just one life…. oh that little canard would apply in this case because the life that would have been saved was a piece of human debris.
Oh well..
Fake8 on December 7, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Brave woman. Hope I never have to deal with what she did.
You should go to the Youtube url for this and read some of the comments. Bunch of pansy Euroweenies shrieking about it. What a bunch of pathetic Eloi. Sometimes I think they deserve to go by way of the dodobird, which they are.
atheling on December 7, 2009 at 7:20 PM
This part of country is called “Tornado Alley” because of the number of tornados every year. Many people have safe rooms built into the house. Good place to lock yourself in for protection from a loon too.
Aviator on December 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Better to take an emotional toll than be . . . dead.
blink on December 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Don’t forget for a minute that is what the disarm the law-abiding crowd would love to do here.
To them, no one should be able to defend themselves – well except for the elite Leftists, it’s important that they survive.
The rest of us are just the great unwashed, we don’t deserve to survive.
Fake8 on December 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Better alternative… new “flower bed” in her back yard.
CC
CapedConservative on December 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM
What’s the saying? Something like, “When seconds count, the police are minutes away.”
blink on December 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I’m glad,this women was armed,and not another victim,
and yet,I’m sure he could see her armed,and this nutjob still persisted to break in!!
I’ve got a .410 mossberg pump,with winchester#4 birdshot,
and slugs,but a 12 gauge would do the job a lot better,es
pecially #OOO buckshot!!
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Better to take an emotional toll than be . . . dead.
blink on December 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM
blink: Yup:)
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 7:27 PM
People should ask themselves – What would YOU do in this situation?
Would you want to be armed or have to sing Kumbaya?
Fake8 on December 7, 2009 at 7:28 PM
100 percent true. But taking a life even if jutsified can be extremely traumatic.
Holger on December 7, 2009 at 7:29 PM
I like a 12g pump with 3 #6 birdshot followed by 2 deer slugs. Nothing will make a grown man pee himself like the sound of a pump shotgun being racked in the dark.
Aviator on December 7, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Roger that. Do you think if you tried to break into Michael Moore’s or Babs Striesand’s home, that you wouldn’t meet a heavily armed body guard? (or two)
Hypocrites.
hawkdriver on December 7, 2009 at 7:31 PM
I was going to make a snarky comment like “One more down, thanks to Darwinism” until I listened to what that poor woman went through. I pray she comes through her ordeal realizing she did exactly the right thing.
rmgraha on December 7, 2009 at 7:31 PM
..the B&E perp?
VoyskaPVO on December 7, 2009 at 7:32 PM
..personally, I tote around a .45 because a policeman is just too damned heavy to carry.
VoyskaPVO on December 7, 2009 at 7:34 PM
..why do I carry the .45 around? Because they don’t make a .46!
VoyskaPVO on December 7, 2009 at 7:34 PM
I picture Grow Fins as much less attractive than this clown.
Aviator on December 7, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Big magazine pistol guy here. Beretta 9mm. I always thought the shotgun might be too easy too push away if anyone got close. With my pistol, my finger will get tired before I run out of rounds. (Think of it as very large bird shot) Harder to take away from me too.
hawkdriver on December 7, 2009 at 7:37 PM
I like a 12g pump with 3 #6 birdshot followed by 2 deer slugs. Nothing will make a grown man pee himself like the sound of a pump shotgun being racked in the dark.
Aviator on December 7, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Aviator:No kidding!Before I bought my pump,I used my grand
fathers bolt action .410,and when I would leave the
camp,by myself,I carried two clips,one with birdshot
and the other,full of slugs,just in case I bumped in
to a bear,I could drop one clip,reload with slugs in
a hurry!!:)
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 7:39 PM
This is terrible. She acted stupidly.
What did she do to make that man hate her?
Kensington on December 7, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Big magazine pistol guy here.
hawkdriver on December 7, 2009 at 7:37 PM
hawkdriver: Your on a break! And how have you been doing!:)
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Hawkdriver, my Mossberg 500 is like three of your Berettas 9mm if I fire nothing but buckshot.
Holger on December 7, 2009 at 7:41 PM
I had friends in college who said they’d rather be raped, beaten, possibly be killed than shoot someone. They claimed they wouldn’t be able to live with themselves, felt it was morally wrong, and probably wouldn’t be able to pull the trigger, anyway.
…I never told them I kept a gun in our house, in my room.
JeepGirl on December 7, 2009 at 7:41 PM
This is terrible. She acted stupidly.
What did she do to make that man hate her?
Kensington on December 7, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Kensington: What part of stupid,was stupid!?
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Good for her?
She is alive but I’d bet she is taking an emotional toll over it.
Holger on December 7, 2009 at 6:04 PM
_____________________________________________________
Did you really just write, “Good for her?” ??? “Good for her?”??? — With a QUESTION MARK ??? Tell you what: Let me get this guy’s brother over to your backdoor, and I’ll give you a shot gun. When he breaks in, you can blow his ass to Kingdom Come and save yours, or you can stand there while he rips you limb from limb, and think about how great it is that at least it’s not going to take any toll on your emotions.
Dopenstrange on December 7, 2009 at 7:43 PM
The part where I stubbornly refuse to use a /sarc tag.
Kensington on December 7, 2009 at 7:44 PM
OK, enough comparing barrel size, get to the range and train. There is no magic caliber. Shot placement is everything. Train until you can’t get it wrong.
Kenosha Kid on December 7, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Duh. She was exhaling toxic greenhouse gases.
Western_Civ on December 7, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Let me get this guy’s brother over to your backdoor,
Dopenstrange on December 7, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Dopenstrange: You mean the dead nutjob,has a brother thats
even crazier than him!
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Kensington: What part of stupid,was stupid!?
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM
The part where I stubbornly refuse to use a /sarc tag.
Kensington on December 7, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Kensington: Your troll hunting,my mistake,carry on!:)
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 7:50 PM
I’ve always thought this would be tough to take away, but if somebody did I would still have my Sig .40
http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Guns/930/New/54125.jpg
Aviator on December 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Purty ain’t she?
thomasaur on December 7, 2009 at 7:53 PM
…I never told them I kept a gun in our house, in my room.
JeepGirl on December 7, 2009 at 7:41 PM
JeepGirl: Its good to know,your living in reality,and your
roommates,were wishful thinking!!:)
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Abby…no one plans on waking up in the morning figuring they are going to take a human life, except for those intent on doing it, or at the very least, intent on causing harm to another person during the commission of a crime.
God Bless her, she did what she had to do.
B&E…DOA.
Works for me.
Gothguy on December 7, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Purty ain’t she?
thomasaur on December 7, 2009 at 7:53 PM
thomasaur: SWEET!!:)
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 7:57 PM
My guns are loaded. 30.06 bolt action, .22 semi auto savage, .22 bolt action, .40 w/hollow point on nightstand and of course my old 410 shotgun. But I don’t like the .40 so I am going with a Glock 45, compact either model 21 or 23 with night sites. Yeah, they aren’t going to take my guns out of my hands.
I got Mom (who finally changed her mind) a freaking .44 mag long barrel revolver. She said Dirty Harry I saiod fine… she love the dang thing.
upinak on December 7, 2009 at 8:00 PM
From an Okie, I can tell you FOR SURE that this woman is Okie to the core. We Okies protect ourselves, our family and our property – DRT guaranteed if you cross those lines.
I pray for this woman because like most Okies, she’s a God-fearing loving Christian, and she obviously felt some pre-morse at taking another’s life. But as I stated… once that line is crossed, you’re fair game.
Never never EVER cross an Okie or a Texan on their own home turf.
MsUnderestimated on December 7, 2009 at 8:03 PM
hawk,
I have a photo of the Red-tailed hawk that I named “Driver”, is there a someone that I could send it to that could in turn forward it to you?
thomasaur on December 7, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Well,I went on a intell SarahCuda gun hunt on google,
and voila,I hit paydirt!!
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/05/you-betcha-sarah-palin-honored-by-nra-with-semi-automatic-updated/
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/05/you-betcha-sarah-palin-honored-by-nra-with-semi-automatic-updated/
canopfor on December 7, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Well you’re a real prizewinner.
Someone previous to me posted ‘Good Job” and I pointed out the woman will probably go through personal hell because she was mentally unprepared to do what she did, as evidenced by the audio. Infact, the audio is evidence that I was correct in my assessment that she will not simply be able to say ‘He needed killing’ and sleep quietly at night.
I’d wager it is the rare person who has not been conditioned by training, is not a criminal or just plain nuts, who can kill without any remorse whatsoever.
If you bothered to actually do some reasearch such as look at my other posts in this thread you’d know I own a Mossberg 500 SPX that has rounds in the tube as well as rounds on the stock’s shell carrier and is ready to go at all times. Moreover, if you knew me, you’d know I have a handgun carry permit from the State of Tennessee and I carry a Sig Sauer P239 chambered in .357 Sig wherever I go. I’ve stated such on Hot Air.
Good Job bro… Epic Fail.
Holger on December 7, 2009 at 8:13 PM
I don’t know how I put up with them for as long as I did.
JeepGirl on December 7, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Lord bless her.
SouthernGent on December 7, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Clinging, but not even a touch bitter. Clinging to her Maker. That brought tears to my eyes, that did. That is one righteous, G0d-fearing woman, and may the peace that passeth all understanding be upon her now and forevermore.
smellthecoffee on December 7, 2009 at 8:14 PM
I wish that woman were our President right now.
Coronagold on December 7, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Doing okay. The optempo has dropped a little. Get to support the CANSOF soon.
There are 27 official ways to skin a cat. Whatever keeps us and our families safe though. huh? :0)
Great gun. What do you fly?
lol, so you shot those fish in the picture you sent?
I already posted this once so it doesn’t matter. You can send it here.
hawksp2000@gmail.com
hawkdriver on December 7, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Mmmmmm….Mmmmmmm..Mmmmm
BallisticBob on December 7, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Thank God she had a gun
CWforFreedom on December 7, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Poor woman. She did what she had to, but I’d feel bad to have to take a life too. That would not make me hesitate though if it were my home, or family or me that were in danger.
4shoes on December 7, 2009 at 8:27 PM
18″ 870 in my house.
Bad guy, come and get it.
davidk on December 7, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Only truly moral people feel remorse after killing an animal that walks like a man. Not guilt exactly but, remorse that the thug had to die by her hand. 25 minute police response…hmmm…Was that AFTER she notified the Dispatcher she had dispatched him?
Jeff2161 on December 7, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Heh. From the link.
Guardian on December 7, 2009 at 8:30 PM
LOL.
.50 Beowulf is not .50 BMG. Then again, Liberals don’t know the difference between a magazine and a clip.
Holger on December 7, 2009 at 8:32 PM
If some nutty freak breaks into my house, thereby threatening my wife and daughter, he’s going down — dead before he hits the ground. A double tap to the center of gravity plus a single (+) to the head from my S&W .40 will see to that.
The remorse I’d feel for killing a drug-crazed freak would be much, much less than that I would feel should I let such a weirdo harm my family. Luckily I live in Texas, where I’d be a local hero…
mr.blacksheep on December 7, 2009 at 8:33 PM
One of the local news channels said that the dispatcher also advised Ms. Jackson that they had obtained legal advice that she would be justified in using lethal force in her situation if the man broke in. I did not listen to the audio, I heard part of it earlier, and it’s just too sad, so I don’t know if that part is on there.
mbs on December 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM
One of these mostly.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_vu7m_ZOxM9o/Sp_03oZPABI/AAAAAAABQxg/xyVrOjIKAHg/DSC08478.JPG
Aviator on December 7, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Full version
Guardian on December 7, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Remington 870 Express 12g 18″ blued, black-synthetic
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=95077
davidk on December 7, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Who likes taking a life? Even in these most justified circumstances, the guilt must be terrible. But if by some off chance Ms Jackson can see these comments, you did the right thing. As bad as the outcome was, allowing yourself to become a victim would be worse.
Sekhmet on December 7, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Good Job bro… Epic Fail.
Holger on December 7, 2009 at 8:13 PM
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I stand corrected and I apologize. Seems like I wasn’t the only person who thought those words were yours, however. If you’re going to quote someone else, you should cite the source, like everyone else does. And thanks for the compliment.
Dopenstrange on December 7, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Something like this actually happened to me only I didn’t have to shoot, thank God.
A man came to my door in the middle of the afternoon and starting banging and yelling to be let in. My daughter, about 15 at the time was freaking out. I looked outside and saw that it was a stranger and didn’t open the door. My German Shepard was going nuts, barking and lunging at the door.
I told my daughter he would go away in a few minutes but instead, he began to bang on the windows on the side of the house next to the door. That’s when I called 911. The lady told me to stay calm and they would be there soon. I told her that I was getting my 357 and if he came in, I was going to shoot him. She warned me against doing that.
He worked his way around and was banging on the window to my bedroom. I was screaming at him, my dog was barking, my daughter was crying, it was chaos. He ended up breaking the window to my bedroom and my dog nearly went right out the window at him, but stopped her. I didn’t want her to cut herself on the glass.
Anyway, the broken window seemed to surprise him and he started walking away. The police arrived, it had been about 10 minutes since I called. They caught him down the street. Turned out he was drunk as a skunk and thought he was banging on the door of his own house and was pissed they wouldn’t let him in. He had forgotten his key.
Well, we pressed charges but I never did find out what happened to him and we were never paid the restitution he owed us for the window.
The policeman told my husband that he was glad I hadn’t shot him, but that I could have and not been charged. The only thing that stopped me was my dog running for that window and my worry about the glass.
It was a frightening experience and I am so thankful it didn’t end like this episode did, but I knew I would have shot him before I let him hurt my daughter.
Jvette on December 7, 2009 at 8:47 PM
good weed?
alexwest on December 7, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Here in Minnesota you have to give a crud like this the first shot and you better be in a window-less bathroom so there is no escape before you have a chance of getting found not guilty of manslaughter. Even then you’ll need a minimum of $20,000 for attorney’s fee’s to defend yourself in court and that doesn’t include the legal fee’s to defend yourself in civil court when the poor killed innocent’s relatives sue you for wrongful death.
chickasaw42 on December 7, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Aren’t those the damnedest things.
JoeinTX on December 7, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Harrowing. Why the hell did the 911 dispatcher warn you against getting your gun?
BTW, what state are you in?
atheling on December 7, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Good shoot.
darclon on December 7, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Reminds me of a story. When I was a kid living here in TN before moving to NM, some neighbors were having trouble out of a guy so they reported it to the police. While filling out the report the father asked questions about the use of lethal force. He asked one question in particular: “What if he is banging on my front door?”
The Cop replied. “Open the door, kill him and then drag him inside.”
Holger on December 7, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Good dog! And that drunk was really, really lucky. When he broke the window, were you poised to shoot?
JeepGirl on December 7, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Thank God this lady was armed and ready to use her weapon while considering the consequences.
A couple of years ago, I had a middle of the night scare, then got my 12 gauge. After that, a CCW. My 380 gives me out of the home peace of mind.
I hope to God I never have to use either, but I’d rather have them and not need them than vice versa.
MalindaH on December 7, 2009 at 9:01 PM
I’m in Las Vegas, Nevada and I think the 911 operator was probably concerned that I would hurt myself, or my daughter or that if the guy got in, he would get the gun and use it on us. Fat chance, I’ve practiced a lot with that gun and the others we own, as have our children.
Jeep Girl,
The window the guy broke was in my bedroom. The hallway of my house faces that window. We were standing in that hall and yes, I had the gun out and was ready to use it. At the time he broke the window, I was about 20 feet away.
I’m just glad because I would have felt awful for my daughter to witness that, but better that than the possible alternative.
And yes, my little 85 pound Dolly is a very good dog:)
Jvette on December 7, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Intense; glad it worked out the way it did. :-)
JeepGirl on December 7, 2009 at 9:22 PM
God be with this woman and her family.
Techie on December 7, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Here’s a tidbit from the Euro way of thinking about guns:
What a crock of s***.
atheling on December 7, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Our thoughts and prayers to that brave woman. It’s not an easy decision to make, but it was the right one.
In Australia, near where I live, an antiques dealer was held up by three armed men.
He shot and killed one of the robbers. Three years later the dead man’s brother and his idiots mates came back armed to the teeth and started shooting up his shop.
The antiques dealer took cover with his wife behind the counter and armed only with a revolver and firing blindly, he killed one robber and wounded another.
It took three years for the courts to clear the man of any wrong doing, all the time with murder charges over his head.
Not surprisingly the incidents took a toll on his health and business.
– Nora Charles
The Thin Man Returns on December 7, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet. I heard the case was being treated as a homocide…
bernzright777 on December 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM
chemman on December 7, 2009 at 6:11 PM
chemman,
I did a poor job of posting. Thanks for noting.
Per the audio she sounded like because she defended herself that she is the victim of him making her shoot. She did the right thing and appears to sound a broken for it.
Texyank on December 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM
And the DA will consider it self defense and no charges will be filed.
Aviator on December 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Thanks, Jeep Girl, I am glad too. It could have been ugly. But, I know now that if it ever does come to it, I can do it.
Jvette on December 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Exactly why I got mine. Don’t want to have to kill anyone and that sound should be warning enough.
I do feel bad for her. I feel like she felt before. I don’t want to, but I know I would. I just don’t know what it’ll feel like afterwards. It’ll take time, but she’ll heal.
xax on December 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM
A similar thing happened to me, in the suburbs of L.A. Luckily the crazy guy gave up and went away.
My friend, an ex-cop, suggested a shotgun and I’m thinking seriously of it.
PattyJ on December 7, 2009 at 10:10 PM
You want to ******* bet on that, Nicholas?
You want to know the biggest difference between someone like Sarkozy and someone like me? I don’t run around trying to impose upon others based on a complete ignorance of their situation.
Sarkozy’s solution is to simply surrender society to criminals. Put them in charge. And I’m not even talking “logical conclusion” here, that’s just on the face of it.
If you live in Europe, become a criminal – it seems to be the only way to avoid being hassled by the government.
Merovign on December 7, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Funny ain’t it? Strong women are found predominately in RED states.
Who would have thought?
Blacksmith8 on December 7, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Not quite. Basically, they have to base the investigation on some criteria, and I’m guessing ‘homicide’ most closely fits the bill. Unless something unusual turns up, it’s very unlikely charges will be brought. Apparently, our
choir boygoblin had quite the rap sheet, and was well known to the local LEOs.BillH on December 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Sportsmans guide sells a 12g shell, it has one .65 cal load and six 00 packed in with it. Best of both worlds.
bikermailman on December 7, 2009 at 11:07 PM
They also make a variety of pistol shells, with #12 shot instead of a slug.
bikermailman on December 7, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Yow!!
mr.blacksheep on December 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Taurus Judge can fire .45 Long Colt or 3″ .410 Shotgun.
Holger on December 7, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Go back to the thread where you asked if he was B Ayers. He never responded to you, while he responded to other posts, and then he dropped off.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 8, 2009 at 12:00 AM
I thought GF was “she”. Anyway, no loss if he/she/it is gone.
mr.blacksheep on December 8, 2009 at 12:31 AM
Hear, Hear… Translation: curl up and wait to be murdered or raped or both while we take our sweet f&*king time getting there. WTF is wrong with this country? Anger, Anger, Anger!!!!
Claypigeon on December 8, 2009 at 2:20 AM
Good for her for feeling bad. She took a human life, however justified. That she feels bad about it is a very good thing.
Good for her also for not hiding in a tiny bathroom and hoping the problem would go away. That would not have ended well. She defended herself at the point where it made the most sense.
She did all the right things in a very tough situation. I hope the experience doesn’t weigh too heavily on her. But that’s a lot better than being dead.
There Goes The Neighborhood on December 8, 2009 at 3:19 AM
The 00 buck measures what… .330 diameter? Six of those AND a .65 cal load. Damn!
Since the bore diameter of a 12 guage is .73″, is the .65″ load sized to fit through any size choke?
SKYFOX on December 8, 2009 at 7:50 AM
This woman exhibited the type of gun control this nation actually needs.
Alden Pyle on December 8, 2009 at 8:16 AM
Don’t forget folks that for this woman, a gun was a piece of LIFE SAVING EQUIPMENT.
In the Bizarro, through the looking glass world of the Left with their moral relativism, there is no difference between this innocent woman defending her life and the psycho trying to take it.
In the real world it is a question of who would you rather survive this encounter – the law-abiding citizen or the criminal?
The national socialist gun grabbers would rather take away that woman’s right to defend herself and empower the criminals because it empowers them also, think about it.
Insert witty screen name here on December 8, 2009 at 9:04 AM
I hope this poor woman is okay. It will take some time and she will probably never get over the incident entirely.
This video brought tears to my eyes. I’ve actually wondered what it would be like if someone broke into my home under the same circumstances. I know that I too would kill the intruder “graveyard dead”. I value all life. I know that taking another human life would have a massive effect on me. Rationalizing the situation with the fact that I was defending myself and/or my family would help but it wouldn’t make it all just go away.
watson007 on December 8, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Canofer – your 410 will work ok. A 20 ga is better. Bigger than that, you can get into a swinging problem inside a house and the gun might get taken away by a crazed intruder. #4 birdshot? Suicide, man! I think even a 410 can take #3 BUCKSHOT. The differnce in size is a pencil eraser to the pencil lead. #2 buck shot (not birdshot) is about 30 caliber balls. A 20 gauge has about 8 of them in a load. Go to your gun store and get home defense for whatever gun or pistol you have. That means buckshot and wadcutters. For the average person, shotgun slugs are no good. You will probably miss. You won’t with buckshot of any gauge. If you are not used to shooting, go to the local gun store and find someone to train you. Also, shoot to kill. If you shout to wound, you might miss, or you might hit and you will get sued by some ambulance chaser.
Don’t blame lack of law inforcement. I live in a huge county just northeast of Tulsa. We do have a meth addict problem, but that is generally self eliminating with a blown up house. However, we just have a handfull of deputies to cover this huge area. It is not really their fault they can’t be everywhere at once. Our big problem is the huge concentration of minorities with stolen guns in the northeast side of Tulsa. These folks learn to “shoot” from Hollywood and come up here to be tough guys. They all commit suicide in their own way.
Old Country Boy on December 8, 2009 at 9:33 AM
17 years ago I very nearly killed my husband. He was out on a field exercise and called to let me know that he was definitely NOT coming home that night (there was a 48 hour window). We had a new baby that had decided sleep was unimportant and I was exhausted. I brought the baby into our room and, for whatever reason, had the heebeejeebees and literally braced the door with a chair. I woke up to hear someone walking down the hall. I felt I had an instant to make the decision- gun or go across the room to call the MP’s. Gun it was. The door knob rattled. I was ready to blow a hole right through the door. Then my husband called my name. He turned white when I flung open the door and was armed.
He know calls and has told everyone to NEVER come home unannounced. Lesson learned.
cibolo on December 8, 2009 at 9:38 AM
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