Video: McCain rips transparent, post-partisan president for closed-door “pep talk” with Dems

posted at 8:01 pm on December 6, 2009 by Allahpundit

It’s always fun watching Maverick work off some of his bitterness towards The One over last year’s election and this is no exception. So painfully slow was the news this afternoon, even by usual Sunday standards, that not only is Obama’s dopey rah-rah session with Senate Democrats the lead story on Drudge right now, but the only real news to come out of it is what wasn’t mentioned there — namely, the public option.

Obama spoke for roughly 30 minutes and did not take questions, senators said afterward.

Reid told reporters that Lieberman had approached him after the meeting to note the absence of the public option, but that folks shouldn’t read too much into Obama’s silence on the issue. “That doesn’t mean it’s not an issue, because the president didn’t talk about it,” said Reid.

Obama’s reluctance to stand up for the public option has been a source of contention between Reid, who is pushing for it, and Obama. Reid has asked five progressive senators and five conservatives to work out a compromise on the public option. The group will meet again Sunday afternoon, though without guidance from the president.

White House spokesman Bill Burton also mentioned insurance reform and affordability in his statement about the meeting, but neglected to mention the public option.

He didn’t mention Nelson’s abortion amendment either, which will be introduced as early as tomorrow. I remember reading last month, after Lieberman’s much-publicized announcement that he’d filibuster a final bill that had a public option, that it was all smoke and mirrors and that Joementum wouldn’t stand in the way when the time came. Really? Check out this bit from an interview he did with the Journal this past week. Does this sound like a guy who’s preparing to have an eleventh-hour awakening to the glories of government-run insurance?

Why is he adamant? Mr. Lieberman says that while he is not “a conspiratorial person,” he believes the public option is intended as a way for the government to take over health care. “I’ve been working for health-care reform in different ways since I arrived here,” he says. “It was always about how do we make the system more efficient and less costly, and how do we expand coverage to people who can’t afford it, and how do we adopt some consumer protections from the insurance companies . . . So where did this public option come from?” It was barely a blip, he says, in last year’s presidential campaign.

“I started to ask some of my colleagues in the Democratic caucus, privately, and two of them said “some in our caucus, and some outside in interest groups, after the president won such a great victory and there were more Democrats in the Senate and the House, said this is the moment to go for single payer.’” So, I joke, the senator is, in fact, as big a “conspiracy theorist” as me. He laughingly rejoins: “But I have evidence!”

No wonder Obama’s meeting one-on-one with Queen Olympia in the Oval Office again. If Reid decides he can’t afford to piss off the left by dropping the public option, they’re likely going to need not one but two votes (at least) to get to 60: Lieberman’s a lost cause and Blanche Lincoln would be committing kamikaze by voting yes. Expect to see reports of Oval Office meetings with Susan Collins sometime soon too.

Exit question: How low will Obama’s numbers go if he’s forced to drop the public plan just weeks after breaking the left’s heart with a surge in Afghanistan? What’ll be left of the cult of Hopenchange?

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CC,
A thorough search will reveal what the Founders had intended with their inclusion of natural born in the article…since that time and after the 14th amendment it’s been so muddled…
That very well may be the reason the “0” feels he has and will continue to get away with it.
Be that as it is I believe Historians will deem him to have been an illegitimate President…
The simple fact is, his Father was a foreign national holding no allegiance to this country and that is precisely what our Founding Fathers feared the most in this regard.
Read what Washington and Jay and Hamilton all felt and wrote, to each other…this ain’t rocket science.
The man is not a natural born citizen of the United States and it doesn’t matter where he was born.

jerrytbg on December 6, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Read what Washington and Jay and Hamilton all felt and wrote, to each other…this ain’t rocket science.
The man is not a natural born citizen of the United States and it doesn’t matter where he was born.

jerrytbg on December 6, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Oh great, where do Washington, Jay, and Hamilton write about the “natural-born citizen” qualification and what they meant by “natural born?”

If you can’t find that (protip: You can’t) go ahead and find the Supreme Court case law that says that “natural born citizen” means “born to a father who is a citizen of the United States and no other country” or whatever your lunatic interpretation is.

Proud Rino on December 7, 2009 at 12:03 AM

I can’t even look at the man without resenting every so called conservative that helped Obama win because of the anti-John McCain hysteria.

Boxy_Brown on December 7, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Proud Rino on December 7, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Google Ixquick is your friend… ‘)

jerrytbg on December 7, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Boxy_Brown on December 7, 2009 at 12:10 AM

JOhn McCain’s Loss while giving us this Precedent has a great side effect. More people are politically involved and Obama is doing a great job of unmasking Liberalism for what it is and thus damaging Liberalism.

Need I mention also the political figure who emerged on the stage thanks to McCain? Say what you will about her, you cannot deny that she is damaging Obama and doing a great job at rallying people to the cause.

Holger on December 7, 2009 at 12:17 AM

It is interesting that on almost every issue of the last decade or so that has been important to Conservatives – Iraq, balanced budget, medicare part D, earmarks, stimulus, Obamacare, SOTUS nominations, etc. – John McCain has been the most important Conservative voice. And each time Cons make the same comment – “About time he got something right.”

DarkKnight3565 on December 7, 2009 at 12:19 AM

It is interesting that on almost every issue of the last decade or so that has been important to Conservatives – Iraq, balanced budget, medicare part D, earmarks, stimulus, Obamacare, SOTUS nominations, etc. – John McCain has been the most important Conservative voice. And each time Cons make the same comment – “About time he got something right.”

DarkKnight3565 on December 7, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Sorry, DarkKnight.
I don’t often disagree with you, but I neither recall McCain being the most important Conservative voice on those issues nor do I recall that many of us saying “About time he got something right.”
I do recall McCain being the lone dissenting Republican voice (rarely is he ever a Conservative voice) and he never gets it right.

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 12:28 AM

Senator, you let us down during your campaign. This man and his buds shouldn’t even be up there. You shouldn’t have voted for TARP, should have gone after Obama on his associations and should have unleashed the best VP candidate of either party ever in the form of Sarah Palin.

All the above were pretty obvious to us last year.

Too little too late, Senator.

In fairness, the Senator can’t be faulted for the (poor) attitudes and ignorance of hundreds of thousands if not millions of American voters, the activities of ACORN and for not having billionaires here and abroad finance his campaign. The polling was close enough to at several points to indicated that a McCain/Palin win was possible, or at the very least a far better electoral college showing.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 7, 2009 at 12:38 AM

Hey…Proud Rino…
I’ll give you a little help to start you on your journey…

In his own handwriting…John Jay.

jerrytbg on December 7, 2009 at 12:45 AM

BAAAA….I’m a MAVERICK…..BAAAA…

nazo311 on December 7, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Senator, you let us down during your campaign. This man and his buds shouldn’t even be up there. You shouldn’t have voted for TARP, should have gone after Obama on his associations and should have unleashed the best VP candidate of either party ever in the form of Sarah Palin.

McCain was set up to lose. I hope the party learned its lesson with nominating liberal republicans moderates.

nazo311 on December 7, 2009 at 12:51 AM

I love how all you pigs defend this pig that sits in the white house by telling everyone that the state of Hawaii published this and that. There is something embarrassingnon that long form BC and I want of made public. His true daddy is frank Marshall Davis and his mother was an American hating whore. Say hello to lil barry!!!!

Ghoul aid on December 7, 2009 at 1:07 AM

McCain was set up to lose. I hope the party learned its lesson with nominating liberal republicans moderates.

nazo311 on December 7, 2009 at 12:51 AM

Maybe…but do you really think a true conservative would have won last year? Personally, I doubt it.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 7, 2009 at 1:13 AM

I think the problem is that some people refuse to accept the truth. And if they don’t accept it now, nothing will satisfy them.

Terrye on December 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Yes, and truth is the one constant in everything Obama isn’t it?

I feel so much better now your truth has cleared up this aweful mess.

So grateful.

katy on December 6, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Terry, the Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth is NOT an abbreviated copy of a vault long form Hawaiian Birth Certificate. Certificates of Live Birth in Hawaii were given out in the early 60′s somewhat like candy on Halloween. There is a website that I can’t search for now, too tired, but it shows the actual statutes that were on the books in Hawaii at the time of Barry’s birth, and the ways and reasons Certificates of Live Birth were isssued. One of them was for a birth outside of the state. Another was if the orginal Birth Certificate was not available or even non-existant. For all we know, there is no long form Birth Certificate. And I don’t buy that the Clinton’s could have outed him. Barry was backed by Soros and other faceless billionaires who took care of sealing everything airtight long before barry announced. Barry beat Hillary like a stepchild – do you think his handlers would have let the Clintons near any damning evidence? This is how he beat her like a stepchild.

And, how do you explain the fact that obama’s sister Maya, who has personally stated that she was born in Indonesia, also possesses a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth, stating she was born in Hawaii? There goes your theory that you state as fact that the Certificate of Live Birth doesn’t contradict the authentic Birth Certificate. She was born in Indonesia, yet her mother, Stanley Dunham, probably with the help of her parents, got this certificate for Maya. If they did it for Maya, why wouldn’t they have done the identical thing for Barry? They knew the value of a U.S. citizenship. That is also very likely the reason that they placed ads in the local Hawaiian paper announcing the birth. Not because they were thinking about a presidency or any future ambition of that level, but likely just because they, like most of us, wanted to give their child the best – and US citizenship is the best, bar none.

Barry is a liar of stupefying proportions. EVERYTHING about him is a lie. He is lie. ALL of his life history is suspect, and anything relevant at all has been hermetically sealed, to the tune of barry or his handlers spending over one million dollars to do so. What is he hiding, and why is he hiding it??? This is the USA not the USSR. We need to get that message to barry as we throw him out, and not be afraid of the Alinsky name calling, “birther” biatches that you are letting set the rules about what can and cannot be discussed. There is not conspriracy theory here and no one who questions barry is a loopy conspirator. It is a simple case of FRAUD on a grand scale that is being perpetrated on every one of us that won’t storm the gates of the WH and demand proof, just like McCain was required to show all of his documents to a CONGRESSIONAL HEARING BOARD. Why should obama get a pass when McCain did not?

tigerlily on December 7, 2009 at 1:14 AM

And let’s not forget that little trip barry took to Hawaii just before election ’08. Just a short trip, a couple of days is all. Seems his grandmother was dying, and he went to see her. No press on this trip though. He must have rifled through the house to nab any loose documentation she had in her files. When she did die a short time later, barry didn’t bother to attend her funeral.

tigerlily on December 7, 2009 at 1:55 AM

tigerlily on December 7, 2009 at 1:55 AM

Don’t forget he somehow got HA governor Linda Lingle to put all birth certificates on lockdown, too at about the same time…
Curiouser and curiouser.
What is he hiding?!?

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 2:14 AM

RE;Holger on December 7, 2009 at 12:17 AM

JOhn McCain’s Loss while giving us this Precedent has a great side effect. More people are politically involved…

Having more people complain on the internet isn’t worth bankruptcy, appeasement and disgrace.

Need I mention also the political figure who emerged on the stage thanks to McCain?

Gee, which would have been more “damaging”? Her as vice president or damaging Obama via twitter and facebook? I know what would have been pretty damaging to Obama: Losing the goddamn election. That would have damaged the hell out of him. Soros too.

Boxy_Brown on December 7, 2009 at 4:39 AM

What do Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, and Arlen Specter have in common?

True_King on December 7, 2009 at 5:31 AM

Compromise on the public option is like thinking that Judas could become a good guy if only he accepts but 15 pieces of silver.

Don L on December 7, 2009 at 6:12 AM

Just more fiddling about health care while the economy burns.

Hey, if Harvard does not have a course on how to create a private sector job, then it’s really not that important, is it?

BigAlSouth on December 7, 2009 at 6:16 AM

Stand against the marxist and defeat his agenda.

BottomLine5 on December 7, 2009 at 6:53 AM

How much longer before the Democrats close the doors of the entire Capital,, not allowing the Republicans access to cameras? Don’t think it could happen?

JellyToast on December 7, 2009 at 7:12 AM

daddy is frank Marshall Davis
Ghoul aid on December 7, 2009 at 1:07 AM

I agree with you! Google the photos.

yoda on December 7, 2009 at 7:26 AM

Exit question: How low will Obama’s numbers go if he’s forced to drop the public plan just weeks after breaking the left’s heart with a surge in Afghanistan?

I would be very surprised if he got below 40…the msm and kool-aid drinkers are still out there in full force…

cmsinaz on December 7, 2009 at 7:33 AM

why MAC didnt bring this fight to his campaign I do not know
whoever told him not to look like an angry old man was as wrong as wrong could be

ginaswo on December 7, 2009 at 8:18 AM

Whoa! Looks like Grandpa McCain has been getting more fiber in his diet.

simplesimon on December 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM

Obama is not an American. Doesn’t matter where he was born or where his father was born. He is not an American in the sense that he doesn’t embody America’s values. He is a guy who happens to live in the United States and wanted to run for office. Had he happened to live in Canada or France he would have run there. And his views would have been identical…anti-military, anti-American, socialist, globalist.

angryed on December 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM

McCain should just SHUT UP!!!!!!

Hey John…..you wouldn’t “FIGHT” like you asked us to do for you. So just shut up, we know you’re just aching to vote with Obama on Amnesty!!!

I hope you are beaten soundly in the 2010 election.

PappyD61 on December 7, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Oh I am soooooooooo sure that B.O. quakes in his Gucci’s whenever MopeyDick John McCain has something negative to say about him!

Perhaps MopeyDick should send out his loud-mouthed daughter, Meghan ThunderThighs to do his criticizing for him the next time.

Now that girl is enough to scare the living bejezus out of anyone! Just seeing her on the air is enough to get B.O. all wee-wee’d up!

pilamaye on December 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Hey McCain you are only about 14 months late on this .You had your chance back last year in the campaign to call this guy out for what he is a liar and a socialist .You jumped down on anybody who dared to say anything bad about this man remember Sen. McCain you yourself told people at your on rally not to say anything negative or be afraid of this guy.So as far as i am concerned Sen. McCain shut the hell up.

thmcbb on December 7, 2009 at 9:54 AM

If Sen. McCain had allowed the truth to be spoken about Obama and Obama’s background illuminated during the campaign, we might not be in the fix we’re in now.

kingsjester on December 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Hey…Proud Rino…
I’ll give you a little help to start you on your journey…

In his own handwriting…John Jay.

jerrytbg on December 7, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Owned

True_King on December 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

I could care less what McCain has to say. He
disgusts me. Literally.
I just caught a tiny bit of news this weekend and it was a republican saying the entire health care bill needs to be scrapped/ Right on!
Also, not that it matters but put me in the FMD daddy category. The only thing that has me aa bit skeptical is the brother in China does look like Obama and he has no relation to FMD.

ORconservative on December 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM

What do Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, and Arlen Specter have in common?

True_King on December 7, 2009

The ugliest whores in Washington D.C.?

SKYFOX on December 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM

hey john mccain.

I
AM
NOT
YOUR
FRIEND
.

sarah’s friend? you betcha! but not yours.

poppieseeds on December 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Too bad he did not fight hard enough during the campaign. Senator McCain fell into the whole “political correctness” theory. I tell you one thing, if I were running that campaign, he would have won that election. Oh well, most people voted for Sarah anyway.

shar61 on December 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM

He’s best as a senator, obviously. Great interview by McCain.

AnninCA on December 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM

I can’t even look at the man without resenting every so called conservative that helped Obama win because of the anti-John McCain hysteria.

Boxy_Brown on December 7, 2009 at 12:10 AM

OK, where have you been all my life?

heh…I’ve been saying the same thing ad nauseum since the primaries. And of course, those so-called conservatives actually make excuses for it.

Although I’m all about party unity and cohesion, it was the incessant McCain-derangement that cost Mav the election. And gave us The One.

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Although I’m all about party unity and cohesion, it was the incessant McCain-derangement that cost Mav the election. And gave us The One.

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Shuddup.
I voted for McCain..even though I loathe the man.
Actually, I voted for Sarah!
I have yet to figure how where McCain stands on any given issue.
He’s not a Conservative and he’s not a Republican.
He votes and talks like a stealth Democrat.
And (except for choosing Sarah and her part of the deal) he ran the WORST campaign in history!
He wanted to lose.
Seriously.

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Shuddup.
I voted for McCain..even though I loathe the man.
Actually, I voted for Sarah!
I have yet to figure how where McCain stands on any given issue.
He’s not a Conservative and he’s not a Republican.
He votes and talks like a stealth Democrat.
And (except for choosing Sarah and her part of the deal) he ran the WORST campaign in history!
He wanted to lose.
Seriously.

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Like I said…

*sigh*

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 11:24 AM

I’m beginning to feel like the population in those sci fi movies where some evil government entity has taken over the lives of everyone and there’s no way out and we’ve all become government puppets. I suppose there’s more truth than fiction to this under the Democrats.

jeanie on December 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Although I’m all about party unity and cohesion, it was the incessant McCain-derangement that cost Mav the election. And gave us The One.

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Aside from Afghanistan, McCain would be a mirror image of Obama. He’s getting “tough” now because he is danger of losing the primary next year. It’s an act and he’ll go back to being Mr, Get Along with Democrats as soon as the primary is over.

At least with Obama the GOP can remake itself back to a conservative party and get rid of this RINO=electoral success idiocy.

angryed on December 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Like I said…

*sigh*

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 11:24 AM

No, it’s not like you said!
And you don’t get a sigh.

I’m a Conservative Republican and I voted for Palin (and McCain) anyway because I didn’t want Obama to win.
What part of that is like what you said?

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 11:41 AM

I am encouraged by the posts that are expressing a seemingly long overdue rejection of the anti-McCain sentiment that has deranged too many conservatives.

Four points here: (1) there were a lot of things that made 2008 a terrible year for the GOP and had nothing to do with McCain; (2) McCain actually did best Obama in the debates, particularly at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Forum; (3) McCain’s voting record this year is as conservative as anyone’s; and (4) McCain has been a solid voice on foreign polciy issues.

In the 2008 election, polls of national matchups consistently showed that only McCain had a chance in 2008; every other GOP candidate ran far behind Hillary and Obama. While McCain unwisely pulled his punches as to Obama’s radicalism thinking that such attacks did not work as to Bill Clinton, there were plenty of other factors at work: (i) the financial crisis that created the kind of economic uncertainty that has historically been helpful to Democrats and was in 2008; (ii) the Bush Administration financial bailout that muddied the waters of the real differences between the parties on economic policy; (iii) Bush unpopularity that was unfair but was the result of unceasing left wing attack that Bush did not counter adequately; (iv) Obama money (some of it illegal), a 7 to 1 advantage; (v) media bias that effectively made the mainstream media a day in, day out propaganda outlet; and (vi) demographic changes in the country (had the 1992 composition still existed, McCain would have won). The McCain-Palin ticket came out the GOP National Convention with the lead in the polls; then the financial crisis hit. Still, had the election been about foreign policy and military matters, McCain would have won.

I am not saying that McCain ran a great campaign. I am saying that some perspective is in order, including the good things in the campaign. McCain campaign videos were excellent. McCain bested Obama in the debates, particularly Rick Warren’s Saddleback Forum. After the Saddleback Forum, the election should have been over. Obama” “above his pay grade” and waffling in the face of evil constrasted with McCain’s heroic experience and clarity that one defeats evil. But even in the debates moderated (poorly) by mainstream media people, McCain outpointed Obama on substance.

In 2009, McCain’s votng record is conservative. McCain voted against every Obama bailout bill. McCain voted against every Obama deficit spending bill, denouncing it as “genreational theft.” McCain voted against the confirmations of tax cheat Geithner, radical pro-abortion advocate Sebellius, leftist Kagan and transnational legal theorist Koh to their respective positions in the Obama Administration. McCain voted against the confirmation of Sotomayer to the US Supreme Court. McCain has taken the lead in opposing ObamaCare, being accused by the New York Times of “throwing bombs” on the subject. McCain has announced opposition to this year’s cap and trade bill.

On top of all this, McCain has soundly attacked the Obama Administration on foreign policy, including hitting Obama for not supporting the Iranian dissidents and dithering on and then announcing a withdrawal date for Afghanistan. It should have been obvious that McCain was one of the most qualified candidates in the last 50 years to be Commander in Chief, whereas Obama was not qualified at all.

Phil Byler on December 7, 2009 at 11:47 AM

No, it’s not like you said!
And you don’t get a sigh.

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Sarcasm, Jen. Sarcasm.

And pointing out the same McCain-derangement I did mention. You hit just about every point.

Aside from Afghanistan, McCain would be a mirror image of Obama.

angryed on December 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM

If you really believe that, then you don’t know much about McCain. How many Obama-like Senators get over 80% rating from the ACU?

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Phil Byler on December 7, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Well put.

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Hopefully this time McCain is a McGoner. We get the representation we deserve.

Angry Dumbo on December 7, 2009 at 11:55 AM

If you really believe that, then you don’t know much about McCain. How many Obama-like Senators get over 80% rating from the ACU?

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 11:53 AM

That is lifetime. McCain was at some point a conservative. Look at this record since the mid 2000s and it’s nothing near 80%.

I know this about McCain….

McCain-Feingold
Wrote Amnesty bill
Opposed Bush tax cuts
Said “Obama is a good man”

Indeed he’s a pillar of conservative thinking.

angryed on December 7, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Oh and almost forgot…founding member of the Gang of 14 that blocked confirmation of conservative judges appointed by Bush.

But you’re right he’s a super duper awesome conservative.

angryed on December 7, 2009 at 12:01 PM

I know this about McCain….

McCain-Feingold
Wrote Amnesty bill
Opposed Bush tax cuts
Said “Obama is a good man”

Indeed he’s a pillar of conservative thinking.

angryed on December 7, 2009 at 11:59 AM

McCain-Feingold–Bad legislation. No one is perfect.

Amnesty bill–Something has to be done. Some form of amnesty is going to have to happen, unless you think deporting 12-20 million illegals is actually viable.

Opposed Bush tax cuts–Only because they weren’t permanent.

“Obama is a good man”–Or something like that. He was being nice. Obama said the same of McCain. They still battled each other.

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Oh and almost forgot…founding member of the Gang of 14 that blocked confirmation of conservative judges appointed by Bush.

Blocked confirmation? As I recall, Alito and Roberts WERE confirmed, precisely BECAUSE of McCain/Go14. It stopped the filibuster, hastening their appointment to the bench.

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 12:07 PM

It should have been obvious that McCain was one of the most qualified candidates in the last 50 years to be Commander in Chief, whereas Obama was not qualified at all.

Phil Byler on December 7, 2009 at 11:47 AM

McCain was no more qualified to be Commander-in-Chief than Obama, except he had actual military service.
We all know that Sarah Palin was the only one of the top 4 candidates who had any executive experience, as well as experience in the private sector, too.
McCain has a 30-year history of accomplishing not very much in the Senate except the irksome McCain-Feingold and he’s on record as voting the wrong way against the Bush tax cuts, as well as joining the whining Dems about the “torture” at Gitmo.
He took credit for the Iraq surge, when that credit rightly belonged to President Bush and General Petraeus.
At Camelback, he proclaimed that “Life begins at conception,” then later went on to endorse embryonic stem cell research.
His stance on immigration reform is infamous, of course, and totally at odds with most of his Conservative constituents.
The man is a mess and I, as a Conservative Republican, refuse to claim him!

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Opposed Bush tax cuts–Only because they weren’t permanent.

JetBoy on December 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM

You actually believed this bullsh*t excuse?!
You’ve gotta be a Democrat.
The Bush tax cuts are the only thing keeping our economy from totally tanking now.
God help us if they actually let them die next year!

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Ed, Allah, who let the foul-mouth birthers in?

Nichevo on December 7, 2009 at 1:09 PM

McCain was no more qualified to be Commander-in-Chief than Obama…
Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Yeah, 50 years of service in the Navy and Congress versus 20 years of service in the damn America church and ACORN…

In light of what the country has been through over the past year it’s becoming more and more pathetic to hear that argument. Like hearing a petulant child never admitting that 2 + 2 doesn’t equal 5.

Boxy_Brown on December 7, 2009 at 1:38 PM

To Jenfidel re post on December 7, 2009 at 12:26 PM: McCain only voted once against the Bush tax cut; McCain voted thereafter every time for their continuation. Further, a review in the Wall Street Journal confirmed McCain’s statement that he voted against the Bush tax cut the first time because the spending restrictions originally in the bill were taken out. What McCain has said is that the more Reaganesque policy would have been to cut taxes AND restrict spending. With the problems that we subsequently had during the Bush Administration with restricting spending, McCain had a very valid point.

Phil Byler on December 7, 2009 at 1:46 PM

To Jenfidel re post on December 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM; You live in an alternate la-la universe to deny that McCain was not more qualified than Obama to be Commander in Chief. You are truly being ridiculous to make that assertion. Obama knows nothing, zero, nada, zip that would equip him to be Commander in Chief. In contrast, McCain, the son and grandson of US Navy Admirals and a genuine war hero in his own right, was and is one of the most knowledgeable people around with respect to foreign policy, military matters and national security. That is why the Republican foreign policy establishment supported his candidacy in 2008.

Phil Byler on December 7, 2009 at 1:50 PM

To angryed re post on December 7, 2009 at 12:01 PM: “Gang of 14″ is NOT a mark against McCain. To the contrary, at this point, McCain deserves credit on the subject. If that surprises you, then you have not been really thinking about htis matter.

In 2005, Democrat Chuckie Schumer was threatening a veto of Bush judicial nominees. A “constitutional option” was considered that would forbid a fillibuster on judicial nominees. Therre were two problems with that option: (i) if ever a Democrat were elected President and Congress would be in the hands of the Democrats, there would be no stopping the Democrats from stacking the federal judiciary with left wingers; and (ii) there was no guarantee the constitutional option would pass — Frist was Majority Leader and there were “Republicans” such as Chafee, Specter and Snowe forming the the GOP majority, and if the option did not pass, the Schumer-led fillibuster would be in a position effectively to block Bush nominees.

McCain and other Senators thought better of that situation and fashioned a compromise whereby except for exceptional circumstances, a nominee would be confirmed. As a consequence, Roberts and Alito were confirmed to the US Supreme Court and a number of conservatives were confirmed to the US Court of Appeals. Chuckie Schumer complained that Democrats got snookered.

Thereafter, Democrats captured first Congress and then the White House. Had the constutitutional option been passed, there would be no way to stop Obama from stacking the federal judiciary with radical leftists. If Harold Koh is nominated by Obama to the US Supreme Court, you should quickly figure out that preservation of the fillibuster as to judicial nominations was a good idea.

Phil Byler on December 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM

…is one of the most knowledgeable people around with respect to foreign policy, military matters and national security. That is why the Republican foreign policy establishment supported his candidacy in 2008.

Phil Byler on December 7, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I’m sorry, but warming a seat in the Senate for 30 years doesn’t equate to knowledge or experience in foreign policy, military matters and national security.
Sarah Palin had to deal with all of these as Governor of Alaska, the frontline of U.S. defense against Russian incursion and also in her dealings with Canada.

I have no idea why anyone supported John McCain’s candidacy in 2008–he was a disaster.
Far from being a hero, McCain had no choice but to endure being a POW and as he himself admitted, the Viet Cong broke him under torture.
This is not heroic.
He touted his own horn too much to be a hero: there were over 500 men in the Hanoi Hilton with him and none of them brag about it the way he does and I’ve never heard anyone else admit to being “broken” like McCain.

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM

With the problems that we subsequently had during the Bush Administration with restricting spending, McCain had a very valid point.

Phil Byler on December 7, 2009 at 1:46 PM

No, he didn’t.
You can’t tell me that McCain didn’t love the Medicare Prescription Drug bill for his constituents.
Or NCLB, either.
The protestations McCain makes about “restricting spending” are pure posturing, just like when NObama does it.

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Owned

True_King on December 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Haha, it’s funny because he just points to a letter, but doesn’t discuss the content of the letter. Do you know why he did that? Because the content of the letter doesn’t help him. It says

Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen

But it doesn’t say what it means by “natural born.” And since I asked him to find what they specifically meant by “natural born,” the fact that he just posted a letter constitutes an epic fail on his part and on your part for being his little cheerleader.

The existence of a letter discussing the issue does not mean the letter automatically agrees with you, dingus.

Proud Rino on December 7, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Far from being a hero, McCain had no choice but to endure being a POW and as he himself admitted, the Viet Cong broke him under torture.
This is not heroic.

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Disgusting.

Boxy_Brown on December 7, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Far from being a hero, McCain had no choice but to endure being a POW and as he himself admitted, the Viet Cong broke him under torture.
This is not heroic.

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Disgusting.

Boxy_Brown on December 7, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Understatement of the year.

Proud Rino on December 7, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Which is more disgusting–for me to say it or for McCain to say it?
It was almost as if he was bragging about it at the RNC Convention.
I’ve never heard any other Vietnam POW make such a “boast” of how the enemy broke him.
Frankly, even if it’s true, McCain shouldn’t keep telling people about it, especially when he’s asking for our vote to become the Leader of the Free World.

Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM

It was almost as if he was bragging about it at the RNC Convention.

You are seeing what you want to see in order to justify your opinion and avoid admitting that you are wrong. (It is purely idiotic to state that an Annapolis graduate who served on Forestall and Oriskany in one of the top 2 attack squadrons in Vietnam, a man who commanded the largest squadron in the USN and someone who rose to the rank of Captain is “no more qualified to be Commander-in-Chief than Obama”. Obama has served nothing other than his own ambitions and has shone nothing but disdain for the military and it’s traditions. It is a backdrop of bitter gun clingers who couldn’t get a real job to him, they are a prop used to accentuate his own self professed grandeur.)

I once naively believed that seeing whatever is convenient and most flattering to your own self-identity was the crux of what is wrong with the leftist mentality. It has now become painfully clear that it is a human milady, not confined to one end of the political spectrum.

Suffice to say, he was admitting fallibility and trying to be humble, (something else Obama is incapable of doing.) certainly not “bragging”.

I’ve never heard any other Vietnam POW make such a “boast” of how the enemy broke him.

Vice Admiral James Stockdale and Colonel “Bud” Day were also “broken” (Forced to sign false confessions) in the Hanoi Hilton. Maybe you should push for them to have their Medals of Honor taken away?

Denigrating what the man went through for 5 and a half years in service of the country is profoundly ignorant.

Boxy_Brown on December 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM

McCain is a scumbag.

Can we get another spokesperson for republicans/conservatives?

father on December 7, 2009 at 5:32 PM

The existence of a letter discussing the issue does not mean the letter automatically agrees with you, dingus.

Proud Rino on December 7, 2009 at 2:22 PM

One thing is abundantly clear…you are a product of the NEA…
With NO ability to think for yourself, to extrapolate or to understand the meaning of Natural Born Citizen.
Furthermore…the duplicity within our government at all levels in not properly vetting the man is proudly displayed in your ignorance.

jerrytbg on December 7, 2009 at 6:26 PM

To Jenfidel re your post on December 7, 2009 at 2:07 PM: You really are living in an alternative universe.

First of all, McCain did have a valid point about excessive spending by the Bush Administration. Republicans got into trouble with the electorate because of the excessive spending. I liked GW, but he did spend too much money and it did not buy peace with the Democrats.

Secondly, McCain throughout his career has been a fiscal conservative, harping about federal spending. For you to say it is insincere is just nonsense.

Phil Byler on December 7, 2009 at 6:39 PM

To Jenfidel re your post on December 7, 2009 at 2:05 PM: what you are writing is such complete and utter nonsense that I only write here what I do to say that whatever issues one might reasonably have with John McCain, your denigration of his service to his country and of his expereince and knowledge with respect to foreign policy, military matters and national security is both disgusting and ridiculous.

Phil Byler on December 7, 2009 at 6:44 PM

With NO ability to think for yourself, to extrapolate or to understand the meaning of Natural Born Citizen.

jerrytbg on December 7, 2009 at 6:26 PM

No, I have the ability to think for myself. What I don’t have the ability to do is think for John Jay – I am limited by the words that he writes.

And nothing he wrote re: natural born citizens squares with anything you believe about it. Which is something you unsurprisingly neglected to mention in your response.

In terms of understanding what they mean regarding natural born citizen, we can know the words as they used them at the time, and SCOTUS interpretation of the words.

All the things I’ve read have led me to the conclusion that a “natural born citizen” is a citizen born in the United States.

Proud Rino on December 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM

All the things I’ve read have led me to the conclusion that a “natural born citizen” is a citizen born in the United States.

Proud Rino on December 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM

I rest my case…

jerrytbg on December 7, 2009 at 6:57 PM

I rest my case…

jerrytbg on December 7, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Well then you’ll lose your case because you’ve never provided any evidence to support it. But you’ll continue to believe that cockamamie conspiracy theory anyway!

Proud Rino on December 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM

I’ve never heard any other Vietnam POW make such a “boast” of how the enemy broke him.
Jenfidel on December 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Broke him in what way? Giving information?..broke his spirit?..hope of ever being free? What? Just asking because I’m not clear on what it was.

Itchee Dryback on December 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Proud Rino on December 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…so let’s put it in front of a jury…

jerrytbg on December 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM

…Blanche Lincoln would be committing kamikaze by voting yes.

I think you mean harikiri, or seppuku; ritual suicide.

novaculus on December 6, 2009 at 8:21 PM

..no, (s)he may have gotten it right. Lincoln would be splattering her exploding Zero all over the deck of a burning carrier deck.

VoyskaPVO on December 7, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Proud Rino on December 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Also…Once again you demonstrate your lack of extrapolative skills…
Maybe you should stop now …btw… I noticed how quickly you respond…
Are your fingers tired from hitting refresh…that’s rhetorical…

jerrytbg on December 7, 2009 at 7:36 PM

A lot of the reason that George spent the way he did was because the treacherous congress had him over a barrel with the funding for the war.

There was nothing he could do and since his first responsibility was for the troops I feel that he said to himself that the funds for the troops trump fiscal frugality

the left was despicable enough and had no problem playing quid pro quo with the troops support

George always tried to wedge private options in his billsn Obama ascention

the republican party deserves alot of blame for not providing any cover

the left is simply disgusting

the fact is Bush stood strong and took the bullets in the face of terrible,
Onerous critique with most of itbeing undeserved but was the prelude for

Sonosam on December 7, 2009 at 8:25 PM

So what changed that has the Democrats spooked ?

Believers in the overuse of the “birth” side (i.e. they fudged the numbers monthly) of the Labor Dept’s birth/death model have been prediciting, that the annual “death” update (i.e. annually they sync it with actual data), to be in the January numbers that come out on Feb 5, 2010, will drive the unemployment number easily past 11%.
This makes a political move by Democrats absolutely necessary before that date.

J_Crater on December 8, 2009 at 10:05 AM

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