NYT: Climategate not a “three-alarm story”
posted at 12:00 pm on December 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
So what, in Public Editor Clark Hoyt’s judgment, would make a “three-alarm story”? In his evaluation of the New York Times’ coverage of the Climategate scandal, he offers this example (via Jazz Shaw):
Why didn’t The Times put the e-mail on its Web site? And, most important, is The Times being cavalier about a story that could change our understanding of global warming? Or, as The Times’s John Broder, who covers environmental issues in Washington, put it, “When does a story rise to three-alarm coverage?” …
The biggest question is what the messages amount to — an embarrassing revelation that scientists can be petty and defensive and even cheat around the edges, or a major scandal that undercuts the scientific premise for global warming. The former is a story. The latter is a huge story. And the answer is tied up in complex science that is difficult even for experts to understand, and in politics in which passionate sides have been taken, sometimes regardless of the facts.
Hmmm. Hoyt argues that this qualified as a normal story, not the “three-alarm” variety. He reached that conclusion even though (a) the University of East Anglia CRU destroyed its raw data, discuss at length how to destroy evidence for a Freedom of Information request, and dishonestly hid numbers that contradicted their insistence that temperatures were constantly rising. Even Hoyt acknowledges the latter in his missive, even though the New York Times didn’t bother to report on the first two aspects of the story. Hoyt seems to argue here that these do not undercut the scientific premise for anthropogenic global warming (AGW), a term which he doesn’t even clearly specify.
Do scientists routinely get “petty and defensive”? Probably. Do they routinely “cheat around the edges” and still maintain credibility? I would consider that a strange argument. If science cheats, it ceases being science. And in this case, it was hardly “cheating around the edges.” It was a full-bore effort to professionally ruin anyone who challenged their imposed orthodoxy while conspiring to hide contradictory data and flat-out make up numbers to artificially support their case. And the CRU destroyed their raw data, which for any scientific endeavor isn’t at the “edges” of their work, but is the central core to their work.
Even by Hoyt’s standards, that’s a three-alarm story.
Hoyt doesn’t fare much better when it comes to the question of publishing the e-mails. Reporter Andrew Rivkin hilariously asserted last week that the Times refused to publish them because they were never intended for public scrutiny:
The documents appear to have been acquired illegally and contain all manner of private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye, so they won’t be posted here.
Hoyt tries rescuing that statement:
As for not posting the e-mail, Revkin said he should have used better language in his blog, Dot Earth, to explain the decision, which was driven by advice from a Times attorney. The lawyer, George Freeman, told me that there is a large legal distinction between government documents like the Pentagon Papers, which The Times published over the objections of the Nixon administration, and e-mail between private individuals, even if they may receive some government money for their work. He said the Constitution protects the publication of leaked government information, as long as it is newsworthy and the media did not obtain it illegally. But the purloined e-mail, he said, was covered by copyright law in the United States and Britain.
That’s a rationalization on two fronts. First, the University of East Anglia is a public university, not a private university. Next, copyright law has a fair-use exception which newspapers and other media have used for decades. No one questioned why the Times didn’t print every last e-mail in the set. But they could have published the more substantial e-mails that showed the fraud and deception in order to better inform its readers, especially since other outlets showed more courage than the Times and had already exposed the internal messages.
The entire Hoyt article is nothing more than a series of rationalizations in this vein. Rather than assign the story to a more objective reporter who hadn’t marinated himself in AGW hysteria, Hoyt defended the assignment of Revkin to the Climategate story — even though Revkin had at least a tangential connection to the story (which, in Revkin’s defense, he disclosed). Rather than report that the UEA-CRU had destroyed its own data sets and conspired to blok FoI requests, the Times chose to run stories about how the AGW debate was mainly “settled.” As far as I know, the Times still has not reported on those aspects of the story, nor about how the UK’s Met Office has decided that they will have to rebuild the data the CRU destroyed before they continue to support the conclusions based on the CRU and the IPCC, to which the CRU was a major contributor.
There were a lot more than three alarm bells ringing over this story for the last two weeks. The NYT chose not to listen, and Hoyt does nothing more than provide some weak rationalizations for those decisions.









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none so blind as those who will not even look
Gracelynn on December 6, 2009 at 12:07 PM
“If we didn’t print it, it’s not new”
Clark Hoyt
mrfixit on December 6, 2009 at 12:07 PM
In defense of Andy Rivkin,
I use to post all the time on on Dot Earth and he was really cool about it, even though I constantly disputed and in many cases attacked others who posted there. The only time he took out one of my comments he actually sent me an email explaining why. The blog dot earth often put forth headlines that buttressed the claim of skeptics like me.
rob verdi on December 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM
new = news
mrfixit on December 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM
It’s a Lefty lie perpetuated by the MSM and come hell or low water they are going to protect it. The media and the Left will do anything and everything to make any attack on their fictional Utopian dreams go away.
AGW is a scam against humanity.
Guardian on December 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM
These people are such hypocrites. They have no problem at all promoting some global warming hysteria that could lead to our lives being controlled by the state…but golly gee, these emails were private.
They can tell us what kind of toilet paper to use, but we can’t see the emails. please.
Terrye on December 6, 2009 at 12:09 PM
You know what we have in Copenhagen?
The Coalition of the Gullible.
jeff_from_mpls on December 6, 2009 at 12:10 PM
doriangrey on December 6, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Lame. Really, really lame.
petefrt on December 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM
I get the feeling Hoyt is rearranging the deck chairs on the RMS Climatic while assuring the passengers that that iceberg collision was not a three alarm problem.
apostic on December 6, 2009 at 12:15 PM
It would have been a “three-alarm story” if there were no incriminating evidence found in the emails, I assure you.
Riposte on December 6, 2009 at 12:15 PM
When you believe in a religion, the facts are heresy. All you need is faith. When the heretics threaten your religion, it’s time for an old-fashioned flood-times-are-nigh-build-the-ark revival. Praise Gaia! We are healed! Now, let’s pass the snakes around, shall we?
Tantor on December 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM
The NYT doesn’t want to upset the Obama apple cart. Isn’t there a newspaper bailout being discussed?
yoda on December 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM
If they keep up with this man made global warming baloney it’s going to get even worse for Americans. Check out the Sweetness & Light link. UN is full steam ahead, they think they can shove this crap down our collective throats.
Rep Thaddeus McCotter explains empirical data and the need for such to claim that Global Warming is anything more than a collectivist theory. Red Eye Video.
McCotter weighs in on Hopenhagen Summit :)
Dr Evil on December 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Can someone give me one example of how these “scientists” could have been more dishonest? They destroyed their raw data, cherry picked the adjusted data and conspired to silence any opposition. What more could they have done to be dishonest about the whole thing.
It seems to me they did everything they possibly could to falsify their results, but… no story here, keep the billions coming!
trubble on December 6, 2009 at 12:17 PM
News doesn’t fit into their business model, or profit.
the_nile on December 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM
+++++
the_nile on December 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM
OOOooo… The New York Times! Does anybody even read that $#!+-rag anymore? Anybody who isn’t a Useful Blind Puppet Monkey? This only proves that it is a big story. GoreBull Warming is dead… Period. And soon we’ll be able to say the same about the Party of Liars and Fools who make-up the Political Left in this country.
ronnyraygun on December 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Life imitates art…
elgeneralisimo on December 6, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Oh, that’s easy. Sarah Palin is not Trigs mother! That’s 4 alarm baby!!!!!
conservnut on December 6, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Student to professor:
I was just cheating around the edges!
Professor to student:
Well, I guess that’s okay then.
WTFO
?
ted c on December 6, 2009 at 12:24 PM
http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.com/executive_summary.html
For a real 3 alarm, full panic scenario read The Copenhagen Diagnosis
fourdeucer on December 6, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Hoyt is utterly worthless. He’s nothing more than the Pinch Sultzberger’s toady. Here we have a direct challenge to the global warming “consensus” that may undermine Copenhagen (and may have already) and it’s not three-alarm. And now we have the revelation that the FSB (formerly known as the KGB) is very likely behind the whole thing and, nope, still not “three alarm.” Hoyt is an utter embarrassment to the journalistic profession (such as it is). I hope Pinch pays Hoyt well for completely completely debasing himself.
WarEagle01 on December 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Riposte on December 6, 2009 at 12:15 PM
You couldn’t be more right.
trubble on December 6, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Excellent post.
This scam is shown to be what it is. A scam.
pghpat26 on December 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM
The climate thugs and their sycophants have become the deniers.
darwin on December 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM
It be a three alarm story if the NYT ever printed the truth.
TXUS on December 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM
The NY Times would gladly report the entire story if this involved emails which contain the classified procedures we use to track terrorists – or anything that could be used against conservatives.
perroviejo on December 6, 2009 at 12:31 PM
There are a few instances in which parts of our legal system make sense, and one of those instances pertains to what is going on with Climategate.
The federal rules of evidence and most state law rules of evidence allow the jury, or judge if it is a case tried to a judge, to draw strong negative inferences, and to disbelieve, any witness who fails to produce the best evidence that was ever available to him. “I lost the data,” or “I lost that document,” or “I decided not to keep that string of emails” are devastatingly bad for the credibility of witnesses. And when witnesses are shown not to be credible with respect to one part of their testimony, all of their testimony can be viewed with distrust.
The “scientists” implicated in Climategate would be destroyed in an American courtroom.
GaltBlvnAtty on December 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM
3 alarm story? This story is the firebombing of Tokyo.
Mojave Mark on December 6, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Back in 2003, in the wake of the Jayson Blair scandal, when the Times chose Daniel Okrent as their first ombudsman, they picked a liberal, but — much to their dismay — one that understood the difference between an ombudsman’s job and an apologists role.
Since then, the Times has done far better due diligence in only naming ombudsmen who see their role more as a PR flack for smoothing over the paper’s foibles than someone actually willing to call its reporters and editors to account. Hoyt fits the bill perfectly, giving his employer even less critical scrutiny than Howard Kurtz gives CNN on his “Reliable Sources” show.
jon1979 on December 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM
I am very surprised that Hoyt did not get appointed to the oboobi administration given that he’s such a douche bag bullsh*tter.
SHARPTOOTH on December 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM
These guys persist with the tree-that-falls-in-the-woods approach to story telling. If they don’t deem it to be of value, then it essentially didn’t happen. As if they’re evaluation of stories was valid any longer.
Them days are over bub.
Great post Ed. Timely rebuttal.
ted c on December 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM
What state-run media considers a 3 alarm story:
“macaca”
jeff_from_mpls on December 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Great post Ed, thanks.
visions on December 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM
The libtards are for sure going to ignore it best they can. Nyt is no different.
tx2654 on December 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Ed gives the NY Times far too much credibility here, despite his piece-by-piece destruction of their argument. Easier for me to say, but at this point the Times really should only be mocked and ridiculed.
Their position was predictable and kneejerk, their logic illogical, and their hypocrisy remarkable. The Times is now just the punchline to a variety of journalism jokes.
Jaibones on December 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
If someone had been caught fabricating data that supported any position on any subject not owned by the left?
MikeA on December 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
If the emails were classified information under Bush, the Traitor Times would have published them in a heartbeat.
Liam on December 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM
NYT 3 ALARM ACTION ALERT:
“Sarah Palin had eggs for breakfast this morning then went for a quick jog!”
Bishop on December 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Actually, you left out that they were destroying correspondence in violation of laws governing Freedom Of Information requests.
Patrick S on December 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM
John McCain fooling around?
Del Dolemonte on December 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM
American Thinker has a great article discussing the whole issue of “fudging” the data here.
ClanDerson on December 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM
In other words, Dipstick, you admit that this is all political hackery, and that the issue is so complex even the experts don’t understand it, thus, you don’t understand it, either. Something you cannot write intelligently about makes it a non-story. Gotcha.
TinMan13 on December 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM
All The News That’s Fit To Our Liberal Agenda.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Sharke on December 6, 2009 at 1:07 PM
It’s not a three-alarm because the NYT, the MSM, and the powers that be on the left regard this as merely delaying the inevitable. AGW has been a myth for a long, long time. This is just a hiccup in their plans. To all those worried about 1/6th of our economy being controlled via health care, take heart; AGW or no AGW, the Left is after energy production and motive power, and no e-mails from small-minded scientists are going to stand in their way.
–the blogger formerly known at Spc Steve
Sgt Steve on December 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM
The New York Times is owned, operated, and staffed by a collection of two-bit whores. I cannot begin to imagine the 72 point banner headlines had the Bush administration or any Republican been involved in such an astonishing manipulation of information. And many readers here are probably not old enough to remember Daniel Ellsberg and the “Pentagon Papers”.
“[Daniel Ellsberg] was working at Rand Corp. when he and Russo, a Rand strategic analyst, decided to make public secret Pentagon documents that contradicted many official U.S. statements regarding the [Viet-Nam] war. The New York Times commenced publication of the volatile documents on June 13, 1971.” (see: http://pqasb. pqarchiver .com/latimes/)
Those of us old enough to remember, couldn’t turn on a television news program in 1971 without being told unceasingly about “the public’s right to know” military secrets. And that was the NYT justification for printing secret documents. How is “the public’s right to know” different this time? Must be because the NYT Whores are willing to do anything to damage the United States. Reports elsewhere on this site (Emails that rocked climate change campaign leaked from Siberian ‘closed city’ university built by KGB,” JWF)have indicated that the “leaked” information regarding the glo-bull warming scam is truth that escaped Russia. I’m confused; the NYT has supported communism since the 1930′s, but now I can depend on the KGB to provide more honest information?
Interesting times indeed.
oldleprechaun on December 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Why don’t we call this for what it is, namely that liberals are so intent on hoisting their insane agendas on us, whether we like it or not, that they will totally ignore bombshells like Climategate and just ram these same agendas through, regardless of the facts as they stand.
The fact that the NYT has taken the stand that they have on this is proof of what is going on here.
Which is why we should just all say the hell with the New York Times and continue to resist liberalism any way we can.
pilamaye on December 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM
If this very same incident – the hacking and revelation of Emails implicating “scientists” fudging the numbers – had occurred during the Bush administration, the NYT would be all over it like stink on chit. They’d never let it go…Not until the negative publicity had ceased to bear the political fruit they so desire.
With a major newspaper/magazine bailout in the works, you can rest assured they’ll never go negative on the fraud in the White House. They’d be cutting their own throats.
The O Bomb has ‘em right where he wants ‘em.
GoldenEagle4444 on December 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Imagine your child takes a certain medication.
Now imagine that emails like those in climategate are discovered among scientists at the pharma company that did the safety and efficacy data for that medication.
Would the NYT consider this a three alarm story?
Would you feel comfortable giving your kid that med?
The notion that cheating around the edges is acceptable is astounding. Scientists found doing this should be expelled from the profession by their peers. Anything they have produced is questionable and has to be reproduced from scratch.
MADgirl91 on December 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM
the_nile on December 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM
If the Empire State building in New York City were burning down and the spreading fire was started by some unknown person(s) for questionable means would the NY Times ignore the story, refuse to report on it, until the unknown person(s) who did it was identified?
It does not matter who released or exposed the e-mails. They are out. They are factual.
The e-mails expose fraud, corruption and a conspiracy to perpetrate this global warming fraud.
And the NY Times publisher and editors wonder why fewer and fewer people read their newspaper. If I can get any and all news via the internet and the NY Times prints only what they want, then no one needs their newspaper.
Total fail by the NY Times.
albill on December 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM
I reacted the same way when I found out Santa wasn’t real
Daveyardbird on December 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM
The House Of Cards is collapsing. We didn’t think it would be pretty and they haven’t let us down. We have ACORN Scandal, Climategate, Crashergate and don’t forget Golf Digest, isn’t pulling the cover of their January Magazine. Top Ten Tips Obama can get from Tiger LOL! Christmas came early this year who says there is no Santa GRIN.
Dr Evil on December 6, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Nuance
petefrt on December 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM
The Left is not about to let some shoddy science stand in the way of their plans to seize control over the means of production of energy and motive power.
If you think this is about AGW, you’re wrong. This is about power and production. The Left knows their plans are built on a house of cards, and all they’ve got is shouting into the wind. But don’t think this isn’t going to stop them from driving their hybrids and Chevy Volts toward their goal of controlling every aspect of energy production and motive power. Controlling 1/6th of the economy through health care reform is the tip of the iceberg. When they peer through the looking glass, they look at the notion of a ruling class a la Czarist Russia of the House of Saud, with vast ruling classes they’ll get to be part of, and they think it’s a pretty good idea. Disregard the petty bourgeoisie and the proletariat. Let them eat cake.
Sgt Steve on December 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM
For more laughs, NYT Theatre Critic Frankie B*tch has returned from his Thanksgiving vacation on Uranus, and has a hilarious satirical essay today on how the Afghanistan surge is all Bush’s fault.
And MoDo the DoDo checks in on the gate crashers and Tiger. What a country!
Del Dolemonte on December 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Neither bacteria or global warming can survive in the sunlight nor can either survive without hosts or enablers, many media outlets are purposely ignoring the climate fraud perpetrated by its most credible proponents, that NYT has any story at all points to this being three alarm news in need of nuance to let the host survive.
A deeply entrenched scam requires a deeply entrenched eradication effort.
Lots and lots of anger.
Speakup on December 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM
I think it’s delightful. Every time we get the meltdown of another liberal bastion, we get a second side story on whether the corrupt media will cover it or not for the same price.
John the Libertarian on December 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM
We are a petrol based economy, and the Lefts answer is Windmills. Sure Windfarms are going to save us. I am sure that all the terrorist attacks will end once we have our wind power in place and not using fossil fuels/SARC That’s who is minding the store folks, that and these UN frauds trying to shake the planet down. We are not being attacked because we use fossil fuels, we are being attacked because primitives want to go back to Kalifi form of government.
Dr Evil on December 6, 2009 at 1:38 PM
Q. Since it’s all but inevitable, will the ultimate demise of the NYT be a “3 alarm story’?
alwyr on December 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Dr Evil on December 6, 2009 at 1:26 PM
You left out Walpin-gate.
Walpin-gate
Jasper61 on December 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Remember, the McCane mistress story made page one without any corroboration…what makes the cut at the times are stories that do not really upset the left.
JIMV on December 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Nope, The New York Slimes will silently slip beneath the waves of history like a ship in the Bermuda Triangle.
doriangrey on December 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM
McCotter doesn’t belong in the House he should run for the Senate in Michigan.
Dr Evil on December 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Walpin-gate
Jasper61 on December 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Wouldn’t an alternative solution lower the price of oil and reduce the funding to terrorists? Also, wouldn’t it decrease the strategic importance of the Middle East, and, because of that, our military presence?
Windmills won’t solve the problem, but nuclear fission (and eventually fusion) would be more substantial.
dedalus on December 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM
The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight
Dr Evil on December 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I love Hoyt’s scare quotes around “hide” and “decline”. As if there were some more nuanced understanding of these words when seen in the context of “I used Mike’s nature trick to the hide the decline.”
Mr. Hoyt, this wasn’t “cheating around the edges”. This was cheating involving the data and the primary conclusions AT THE HEART of the AGW debate. The fundamental issue is whether the warming seen in the last half of the 20th century is unique in the last 1000 years. We’ve been told for years that this is a settled issue, but the CRUTape Letters tell us that it’s far from settled. UEA/CRU folds after years of pressure and puts all of its data and models in the public domain. UEA/CRU admits it has “lost” the original source data. Key climate modeling and analysis software is shown to be disastrously shoddy. Many of the core members of the IPCC have been discredited (largely vindicating McIntyre & McKittrick), Jones has stepped down (albeit temporarily), Mann is under investigation, and now the UK Met Office is saying it needs three years just to reconstruct the data — let alone form any conclusions.
I’d damn well say it’s a three-alarm story.
Purple Fury on December 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Now careful what you climate change wingnuts say, lest you find yourselves on the cover of Little Green Lefty’s page again. The man behind the curtain over there is really incensed with HA commentors. Again.
scalleywag on December 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Ugh! The State-Controlled Media just makes me SICK!
When are peeps gonna wake up to their twisted agenda and profligation of lies?
I am sickened that they were so successful in how they disparaged Bush’s presidency.
Dan Quayle, Ken Starr, Linda Tripp, George Bush, Sarah Palin. It’s all a strategy. LIES!
Gob on December 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Ed, you should get a shot of Red Eye’s Pinch to substitute for the photo of the NYT.
John the Libertarian on December 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM
I was reading something similar and of a personal nature to a friend of mine.
http://dai-strategicconservativealliance.blogspot.com/2009/12/well-well.html
The terrorist have made their case clear. We can convert, pay a tribute or die. How do we decrease our Military presence in the Middle East? How many of the Middle Eastern Countries are Nuclear Armed, and Soon to be Nuclear Armed – Iran – State Sponsor of Terror.
Dr Evil on December 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM
OT
C-Span is going to air their coverage of the entire KSM Trials Protests in NYC today at 4:45 pm Eastern Time. If you are near a tv this afternoon, please don’t miss it.
Urban Infidel on December 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM
How many people showed up?
Del Dolemonte on December 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM
I don’t have the final numbers. I was down in front for the whole thing so I never got a good look all the way to the back. About a thousand at least. The weather was definitely a factor.
Urban Infidel on December 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Totally parochial and insular thinking from the former newspaper of record. They don’t have much of a world view beyond the Hudson anymore, do they?
Readers don’t want to read what editors think they should find of interest, they want to read things that genuinely interest them. Whatever the opinions of the NYT staff, when a wildfire story overwhelms the international internet community, it is 3 alarm.
Here’s a clue: a routine daily check of the highest rated search-engine search terms just might let reporters know what readers are reading.
obladioblada on December 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM
The agitprop media, doing what they do–covering for the socialists.
james23 on December 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM
And we should be concerned about this because…?
ya2daup on December 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM
This would be a better stock photo to use for the blog post.
John the Libertarian on December 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM
I think this is starting to really damage the MSM. How many left wing scandals can they ignore? Every major story they refuse to report on loses them audience. People are starting to get the impression that if you want to know what’s going on in the world… what we used to call the news… don’t rely on the MSM.
Once that impression crystalizes, they’re done.
Dark Eden on December 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM
I forgot the sarc.
scalleywag on December 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Hoyt did exactly what was expected…of an incompetent leftist tool.
SKYFOX on December 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM
All this noise about climategate isn’t going to matter, the EPA will move ahead regardless.
agmartin on December 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM
“NYT: Climategate not a “three-alarm story”
Either was the Holocaust…
flameofjudah on December 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM
The New York Times is staffed by a bunch of science deniers. They would rather believe the fairy tale of AGW rather than the scientific facts that the AGW theory doesn’t work. They probably also believe that the earth is flat and talk against anyone who says the earth is round.
MeAlice on December 6, 2009 at 2:28 PM
The bottom line is that people don’t like being lied to. They’ve been skeptical about the claims of global warming because there have been so many contradictions about how severe it is and what can be done about it. They don’t like the fact that politicians (and ex politicians) have capitalized and made billions of dollars exploiting it. They don’t like being threatened with a cap and trade bill will add to the deficit and increase energy costs. And now when they hear that evidence has been tampered with and exaggerated or forged or even omitted entirely, of course they’re angry. These are the scientists who have been entrusted to uncover the truth and now we find they too have an agenda. And this is not a 3 alarm fire? Then I don’t know what is.
scalleywag on December 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM
I think we can all agree the left will do their utmost to conceal the facts, blame the messenger use ridiculous rationalizations even for them in an unprecedented effort to circle the wagons for the duration of this cold cycle until temps begin to rise once again so they can bring their religion back into the public spotlight once again.
Can we expect the other side to converse in civil discussions about their claim? obviously not likely but then again can we expect their new allies of the Muslim jihad to reform their cult? Hasn’t happened thus far and I really doubt that it will ever happen during the course of the next thousand or so years.
larvcom on December 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Hard to see a fire when you are the middle of one yourself. NYT market value has dropped over 90% in 5 years.
faraway on December 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I’m telling you, the RIGHT needs to come together and take back this country before it’s too late.
This HOAX is a 3-alarm fire because it threatens our liberty, freedom and economic system of this country and other developed countries. It has cost us BILLIONS of dollars in all this “green” BS and we haven’t even seen the worst of it unless we can get it stopped.
In comparison, I consider Watergate to be a 2-alarm blaze as well as the Monica Lewinsky deal. Climategate ranks up there with the Kennedy Assassination and 9/11 as far as life-altering events go.
Oink on December 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Meanwhile, Houston prepares for earliest snowfall ever
scalleywag on December 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM
I guess the “mainstream” media thinks that if they repeat “IT DONT MEAN NOTHING, IT DONT MEAN NOTHING!!!” enough times about Climategate, they will make it true.
wildcat84 on December 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM
ClimateGate may be the Greatest Hoax of ALL TIME
faraway on December 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM
And here in Virginia, where normally our coldest months are Jan/Feb, yesterday it snowed almost 6 inches and this morning it was 14 degrees. I don’t have scientific data on that but it’s the earliest freeze I’ve seen here. People still had geraniums out.
scalleywag on December 6, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Sorry to go a bit off-topic but…
…Holy smokes… is there an annual award for Most Defensive Blog? If so, LGF wins hands down. Since it’s become the accident I can’t look away from, I find myself checking in and, wow… I’ve never seen someone of CJ’s earned stature spend so much time defending himself. Why does he care if he’s so right?
princetrumpet on December 6, 2009 at 2:38 PM
scalleywag on December 6, 2009 at 2:38 PM
You must be out toward the Valley. Here in Tidewater there was a dusting of snow last night, but not the 1-2 inches I’d hoped for.
oldleprechaun on December 6, 2009 at 2:40 PM
What a sorry newspaper this has become. They are so clouded in their beliefs that they cannot even have a clear debate about these emails.
Is it even possible for the NYt to wonder why they are losing readers daily?
Freddy on December 6, 2009 at 2:41 PM
minor point,
its Revkin, not Rivkin.
rob verdi on December 6, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Co2 now to be deemed, by the EPA, a danger to the public.
keep the change on December 6, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Seems lately the NYT spends more time defending itself than it does covering issues people think are important.
scalleywag on December 6, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Yup, right smack in the middle. It looks like a Christmas Card!
scalleywag on December 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM
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