Video: “Hardball” takes on Palin’s birth certificate comments. What could go wrong?

posted at 8:01 pm on December 4, 2009 by Allahpundit

The money line is Buchanan asserting that she did the smart thing politically since Birthers are, after all, a chunk of the GOP base and all she really defended was their right to ask questions. Ace made a similar point today: Politics is politics, so if you have to toss a small bone to your fringies now and then to keep them focused on your broader agenda, so be it. Eh, I don’t buy it. I agree that being snotty to your fringies is dumb and likely to lose you votes, but there are ways to tactfully disagree with them. E.g., “It’s great to see the public intent on holding the president to the letter of the Constitution, but I think the certificate of live birth satisfies the natural-born requirement.” She’s not going to lose anyone’s vote with a polite rejection like that (except maybe Alan Keyes’s), especially since no other GOP candidate will end up endorsing Birtherism. She might, however, lose votes for having given the answer she did, especially if she wins the nomination and Democrats start pitching to centrists by calling her a crank. Why play to the base when she, more than any other Republican, already has the base — and Birthers — in her hip pocket? It’s moderates she needs, not “true conservatives.”

If this is a smart political move, then conceivably it’d also be a smart political move and nothing for the right to get exercised over if, say, Biden or Al Gore or some other top Democrat started head-patting Trig Truthers like Sullivan. The issue ultimately goes to her credibility, so in theory the more doubt they can sow about who Trig’s mother really is, the more discredited she’ll be. And yet, no liberal of any greater prominence than Crazy Andy himself ever touts the Trig Truth crap, mainly because (a) the science is, to any rational person, settled, and (b) they’d stand to lose more politically by encouraging the theory than they’d gain. Remember when Maurice Hinchey went on MSNBC a few days ago and asserted that Bush deliberately let Bin Laden escape? Even a Bush-hating nutroots hero like David Shuster instantly flipped out on him. Conspiracies simply don’t play well in the mainstream, even on the DNC’s pet channel. (Well, before 8 p.m., at least.)

The key point isn’t whether voters have the right to ask questions but whether a question is fair after a certain amount of evidence has been provided. That’s where Palin got in trouble last night, I think. Of course Truthers have the right to be skeptical about 9/11, but does anyone think it’s fair that they still are? Where you come down on the Birtherism debate depends on whether you think that level of evidence has been reached yet, and Palin’s initial comments to Humphreys — it’s a “fair question,” it’s “fair game,” potentially something worth raising in a debate — made it sound like she didn’t. Calling it a “stupid conspiracy” later on Facebook clarified that she did. Controversy over, let’s hope.

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“It’s great to see the public intent on holding the president to the letter of the Constitution, but I think the certificate of live birth satisfies the natural-born requirement.”

That would be a great quote for a politician that didn’t have a clue and didn’t mind admitting it publicly.

Having a COLB (ESPECIALLY a Hawaiian one) does not make you a natural born citizen.

By Allah’s definition Dr Sun Yat Sen would be natural born citizen and eligible to be our President.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen

Sun Yat-sen was born on 12 November 1866 to a Hakka family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan.

In March 1904, he obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, issued by the Territory of Hawaii, stating he was born on Nov. 24, 1870 in Kula, Maui.

Mr Purple on December 4, 2009 at 8:48 PM

SPDD (Same Post, Different Day)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

mwdiver on December 4, 2009 at 8:48 PM

I’m not a birther but shouldn’t we be able to at least ask for a resume before we (others not me) vote a clown like this one into office?

iceman1960 on December 4, 2009 at 8:50 PM

With last night as a warmup, and AP posting comments, we’re ready to go the distance my friends.

4000 comments by morning or I’m shaving my head bald.

TexasDan on December 4, 2009 at 8:44 PM

I’m remembering this one. No memory hole for you!

russcote on December 4, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Dems saying Bush purposely didn’t pursue bin Laden for political reasons : perfectly acceptable

Palin saying Americans have the right to ask questions: right wing wacko

So is the level of the MSM in 2009

angryed on December 4, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Controversy over, let’s hope.

There was a controversy? I need to get the latest version of NitpickerBooster 2.0 for my computer to keep up with all these “controversies.”

If we’re gonna be this fretfully sensitive, let’s just throw in the towel and get it over with.

Fer cryin’ out loud.

Dongemaharu on December 4, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Someone needs to contact the Climategate hacker and have him/her get BO’s BC.

kagai on December 4, 2009 at 8:51 PM

david lee roth went platnum 23 times

eh on December 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM

A. Not an author.

B. Not obscure.

On June 5, 2008, Van Halen announced the 2007-2008 tour with Roth grossed more than $93 million, a record for the rock band. Van Halen played to nearly one million people during 74 arena shows throughout the United States and Canada, beginning September 27, 2007 in Charlotte, N.C. and wrapping June 3, 2008 in Quebec City, Qc for the 400th anniversary of the city. Although currently inactive, it is rumored that the band will release an album of new material following Eddie Van Halen’s marriage in June 2009 and allowing Wolfgang Van Halen to graduate high school before embarking on any further ventures.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lee_Roth

cs89 on December 4, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Those of you who are asking about the esteemed Robert Spencer, his work is available at Jihad Watch, and it is well worth your time.

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Surprisingly, this “story” isn’t getting much traction. Aside from lefty blogs and a few right ones, it went nowhere. MSNBC, watched by 1 million or so viewers, was the only cable outlet to beat it to death. Fox didn’t touch it and I haven’t seen CNN stories on it; nor did the network news or any national newspapers.

When all is said and done, she’ll survive this one, too.

yogi41 on December 4, 2009 at 8:52 PM

I’m not a birther but shouldn’t we be able to at least ask for a resume before we (others not me) vote a clown like this one into office?

iceman1960 on December 4, 2009 at 8:50 PM

I have an official notarized copy of my birth certificate in my safe. If necessary, I’m sure I could obtain the original from the city where I was born. If Obama has it, he should just produce it. What’s the big deal?

KH15 on December 4, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Sorry. Let me clarify. Current clown.

iceman1960 on December 4, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Surprisingly, this “story” isn’t getting much traction. Aside from lefty blogs and a few right ones, it went nowhere. MSNBC, watched by 1 million or so viewers, was the only cable outlet to beat it to death. Fox didn’t touch it and I haven’t seen CNN stories on it; nor did the network news or any national newspapers.

When all is said and done, she’ll survive this one, too.

yogi41 on December 4, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Exactly. That’s why I laugh at AllahP’s hysterical attempts to make this an issue. I really think he needs a vacation. Or a woman.

KH15 on December 4, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Surprisingly, this “story” isn’t getting much traction. Aside from lefty blogs and a few right ones, it went nowhere. MSNBC, watched by 1 million or so viewers, was the only cable outlet to beat it to death. Fox didn’t touch it and I haven’t seen CNN stories on it; nor did the network news or any national newspapers.

When all is said and done, she’ll survive this one, too.

yogi41 on December 4, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Exactly…. the network morning shows picked up on the “OH MY GOD PALIN IS USING A PLANE ON HER BOOK TOUR, WHAT A HYPOCRITE” nontroversy… but not this.

BPD on December 4, 2009 at 8:56 PM

I don’t think this stuff is worth getting all bent out of shape or excited. Palin goofed up some yesterday and then backtracked. Name a politician who hasn’t done this. I recall Obama making a comment to a SF crowd about Pennsylvanians clinging to guns and religion. He seriously stepped in it with that remark and still got elected. In the long run, Palin’s electability, if she chooses that route, will have little to do with this issue, particularly if Obama continues to drag the country left and down the crapper.

Erich66 on December 4, 2009 at 8:58 PM

But I agree with Allah. She needs work on how to say stuff in a way that minimizes collateral damage. Anything she does to accredit the birther loonies is potentially harmful to her among regular folk.

Pavel on December 4, 2009 at 8:40 PM

My criticism of Palin is that she needs to be more measured and circumspect in what she’s saying. All too often in interviews it just comes out in an avalanche (she is a woman after all ;), and eventually in that avalanche there’s going to be a nugget or two for haters to latch onto.

ddrintn on December 4, 2009 at 8:58 PM

This whole bru-ha-ha would be relevant if Palin were running for President in 2012, which she isn’t. While you nice folks get all hot and bothered every time Allah post something about a lady that makes national news headlines, Palin’s out there having a financial and political field day getting into every “head-case” that either wrote shit about her or is in love with her shtick. Why would some one in Palin’s place even think about entering back into the same hell-whole the media put her through, when she can sit on the outside and throw bombshells at everyone from Obama to every moonbat on the net?

Bottom line is, I don’t think you’ve seen a taste yet of her “best shots” ahead, but you can bet she’s taking deadly political aim at her adversarys from her “sniper’s post”—a far better position than where she was a year ago with the taste of Washington insiders in her mouth.

Rovin on December 4, 2009 at 8:59 PM

My son has a COLB and he was born in China.
A COLB does NOT mean that you were born in the United States. On the contrary, they are generally issued only to those babies born outside of the United States to women who are U.S. Citizens.

maryo on December 4, 2009 at 9:00 PM

AllahPundit, you be critical all you want. It will serve to toughen everyone up. I still think she is the best thing going on our side even if she ends up not running in 2012. Maybe she will make the pansies we think will run toughen up and stop being such mealy mouthed, get-alongs.

Anyway, who’s up for another 2000+ thread posting? We are off to a good start.

Sporty1946 on December 4, 2009 at 9:01 PM

OK, well the final episode of Monk is on. I get to learn who killed Trudy.

Nite!

AnninCA on December 4, 2009 at 9:01 PM

How about Mark Levin?
He and Sarah Palin both believe Obama was born in the US, but support citizens asking the question.
He just defended Sarah Palin on the radio and said “Why is it so difficult to produce a birth certificate? The one who looks stupid is the president for not presenting it.”

cubachi on December 4, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Levin is right, of course. What’s the big deal?? I really don’t care too much about the birth certificate, just the college records. What’s he hiding?

redridinghood on December 4, 2009 at 9:01 PM

Here’s the crux of the matter: If everything surrounding the birth circumstances of BO were aboveboard, this whole matter could be put to rest by OJugEars The Magnificent with little bother. All he has to do is authorize the release of the information.

The real question is why hasn’t he done so?

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2009 at 9:02 PM

In his book Obama admits he has British citizenship. Dual citizenship by its very nature does not meet natural born citizen requirement for the office of President. Seeing as how he lived for numerous years in Indonesia he may have renounced his American citizenship to live there. And when he went to Pakistan, which was illegal for American citizens, he had to use either his British or Indonesian citizenship. Using either of those as an adult would negate any claim he could make that renouncing citizenship the the United States was meaningless as he was a minor. By using the British or Indonesian citizenship as an adult to enter Pakistan he reaffirmed the renouncing of American citizenship. CASE CLOSED.

chicagojedi on December 4, 2009 at 9:03 PM

allah doubles down on stupid. film at 11

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Here’s another approach.

What if she is just being honest? Too much time inside D.C. makes all of you think there is another shoe dropping or a hidden meaning.

She’s right. People have the right to ask. As I said before, he could solve it by producing whatever it took to answer the question. I don’t think it matters, but the longer they play around with it, thinking it hurts the right, it will end up hurting them because it will become part of the every day lexicon. Obama screws up badly and it’s a short step from “He’s our man” to “Y’know I hear he isn’t even an American.”

Just saying.

archer52 on December 4, 2009 at 9:05 PM

AP can’t let that straw go.

AP, quit scratching that scab.

Let it heal.

Sapwolf on December 4, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Two really big points. allah and other DC/NYC media/pols have no idea how big an issue this is in flyover country.

Two Palin just met with close to +50k supporters. I think she knows better than Allah how big a deal this is in flyover country.

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:06 PM

OK, well the final episode of Monk is on. I get to learn who killed Trudy.

Nite!

AnninCA on December 4, 2009 at 9:01 PM

I’ll fix another cocktail and celebrate the fact that I chose to never watch one episode of the moron.

(spits in pattoon)

Rovin on December 4, 2009 at 9:07 PM

archer52 on December 4, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Yes.

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2009 at 9:07 PM

allah doubles down on stupid. film at 11

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Yep. I like AP, but boy he don’t like Sarah.

Sapwolf on December 4, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Just to tweak the Palin haters;

Sarah Palin answers this truther question in her new New York Times Best Selling book: GOING ROGUE, available at your local bookstore today. Buy several copies to annoy others.

dthorny on December 4, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Only proper response to birthers is to call them dumb or nuts. They shouldn’t be given legitamacy.

therightwinger on December 4, 2009 at 9:10 PM

“Y’know I hear he isn’t even an American.”

Just saying.

archer52 on December 4, 2009 at 9:05 PM

bingo. but don’t tell Allah he is stuck on stupid at the moment. Every Bow Obama makes, every international treaty, every peace prize, every hug and handshake of a dictator drives this point home. The entire BC thing reinforces the view. and it is an easier jump to think you got tricked then you were wrong.

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Video: “Hardball” takes on Palin’s birth certificate comments. What could go wrong?

And if it wasn’t for Allahpundit, no one would even know what was going on on Chrissy’s show!

VinceP1974 on December 4, 2009 at 9:10 PM

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year’s presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama’s American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”

End of story

harry on December 4, 2009 at 9:11 PM

In the long run, Palin’s electability, if she chooses that route, will have little to do with this issue, particularly if Obama continues to drag the country left and down the crapper.

Erich66 on December 4, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Yep… people seem to miss this point… in 2012, the election will almost exclusively be determined by Obama’s performance over the course of 4 years. The most radical leftist to ever run for President, who said some of the most inflammatory things (bitterclingers) and had some relationships (ayers, wright) that would normally disqualify anyone, was elected because the electorate hated Bush and the GOP. If unemployment is still above 8-9% in 2012, Obama will be a one-termer.

BPD on December 4, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Why play to the base when she, more than any other Republican, already has the base — and Birthers — in her hip pocket? It’s moderates she needs, not “true conservatives.”

Amen. I said the same last night on the other thread and was called a troll.

These Palinistas just cannot see the forest for the trees…

AprilOrit on December 4, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Yep. I like AP, but boy he don’t like Sarah.

This is utterly — utterly — absurd. If it weren’t for AP, Palin would get no press here at all. And the Caribou Quitter loves all the press she can get, make no mistake.

AP gives Palin the play her drones need and covet. Hell he makes a home for them here.

For just that reason, I’ve long harbored the suspicion that AP is Todd Palin. Hey Birthers here’s a new conspiracy to investigate. LOL

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Yep… people seem to miss this point… in 2012, the election will almost exclusively be determined by Obama’s performance over the course of 4 years. The most radical leftist to ever run for President, who said some of the most inflammatory things (bitterclingers) and had some relationships (ayers, wright) that would normally disqualify anyone, was elected because the electorate hated Bush and the GOP. If unemployment is still above 8-9% in 2012, Obama will be a one-termer.

BPD on December 4, 2009 at 9:11 PM

True, but that will not get her elected.

AprilOrit on December 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM

chicagojedi on December 4, 2009 at 9:03 PM

If it was an opponent of Obama you can bet your @$$ that these questions would have to be answered. This type of politics is how he has been elected along the way but to ask these questions make one a whack job.

thomasaur on December 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM

mwdiver,
winner

rob verdi on December 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM

“It’s moderates she needs, not “true conservatives.”

So nothing was learned from the McCain and Bob Dole fiascos.

Johan Klaus on December 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Matthews is a test tube specimen; He doesn’t get a birth certificate either.

Cybergeezer on December 4, 2009 at 9:14 PM

This is utterly — utterly — absurd. If it weren’t for AP,

Palin would get no press here at all. And the Caribou Quitter loves all the press she can get, make no mistake.

AP gives Palin the play her drones need and covet. Hell he makes a home for them here.

For just that reason, I’ve long harbored the suspicion that AP is Todd Palin. Hey Birthers here’s a new conspiracy to investigate. LOL

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM

So the only ones that bought her book are HA readers. Damn, that’s a big userbase.

ddrintn on December 4, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Allah,
I generally disagree with everything you say regarding Gov. Palin. That said, on this you have a point. I do believe that she was saying that it’s not up to her (or any public official) to be the arbiter of what is fair game. But, she could have been a bit more adept at parrying Humphrey’s question. It’s been a frenetic three weeks for her and she has given countless interviews and was likely caught a bit off guard by the question, which was silly. Everyone makes mistakes and, from her later statement clarifying things, it’s clear that she wishes she had handled it better. That said, I think this will have a short life other than with the HuffPos and Rick Morans of the world who no serious person listens to anyway. If she gives a good speech tomorrow night at the Gridiron Club, this “controversy” is dead and buried.

DB9 on December 4, 2009 at 9:16 PM

My criticism of Palin is that she needs to be more measured and circumspect in what she’s saying. All too often in interviews it just comes out in an avalanche (she is a woman after all ;), and eventually in that avalanche there’s going to be a nugget or two for haters to latch onto.

ddrintn on December 4, 2009 at 8:58 PM

I cannot believe you of all people would post sentiments as coherent as this — particularly after you castigated me a day or two ago for PRECISELY those same sentiments. Oh look now they’re your own ideas. Ah well. The more clear thinkers (however obstinate getting there) the better. Welcome to lucidity.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Yep. I like AP, but boy he don’t like Sarah.

Sapwolf on December 4, 2009 at 9:07 PM

the reason or atleast what Allah says is the reason is because he thinks his worldview is the majority and Palin supporters are a small minority. I guess if Allah got out of the big city and faced the real truth that it is his worldview that is the minority within the GOp he would have to question his political beliefs up to this point.

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:16 PM

And yet, no liberal of any greater prominence than Crazy Andy himself ever touts the Trig Truth crap, mainly because (a) the science is, to any rational person, settled, and (b) they’d stand to lose more politically by encouraging the theory than they’d gain.

And how about just plain who cares?

AprilOrit on December 4, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Yep. I like AP, but boy he don’t like Sarah.

This is utterly — utterly — absurd. If it weren’t for AP, Palin would get no press here at all. And the Caribou Quitter loves all the press she can get, make no mistake.

AP gives Palin the play her drones need and covet. Hell he makes a home for them here.

For just that reason, I’ve long harbored the suspicion that AP is Todd Palin. Hey Birthers here’s a new conspiracy to investigate. LOL

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Dumbest post of the night.

KH15 on December 4, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Anyway, who’s up for another 2000+ thread posting? We are off to a good start.

Sporty1946 on December 4, 2009 at 9:01 PM

no chance.

the lefty-blowback factor on this one will amount to something less than the bogus, “zomg! hubby is a secessionist terrorist!” story. mainly because she’s already done the job of trivializing herself.

the only genuine concern is internal quality control. too late for that, now that the dominant tone of the “base” sounds something like this.

eh on December 4, 2009 at 9:17 PM

allah doubles down on stupid. film at 11

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:03 PM

In defense of AP (God forgive me), I don’t think a one-blog critical analysis of the issue is out of line. Anything more than this probably would be b/c politicians make mistakes–usually poorly phrased explanations–and backtrack all the time. Palin clearly recognized the “oops” and did some damage control. Hey, it happens. As long as she avoids this issue in the future, few will care.

Erich66 on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

I cannot believe you of all people would post sentiments as coherent as this — particularly after you castigated me a day or two ago for PRECISELY those same sentiments. Oh look now they’re your own ideas. Ah well. The more clear thinkers (however obstinate getting there) the better. Welcome to lucidity.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:16 PM

I never said she’s perfect and not in need of improvement. I also don’t think she’s an unelectable joke.

ddrintn on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

True, but that will not get her elected.

AprilOrit on December 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Of course it will… anyone who has been following politics for any length of time knows this is true. I live in Northern Virginia, and this summer I witnessed a complete smear job of Mcconnell by the Washington Post and every local media outlet over his college thesis… basically saying women need to stay in the kitchen…. the attacks came in on a nightly basis…. people atmy work regularly made jokes about his apparent lack of regard for women… and he still won by a massive landslide…. why? The economy….. which he and his opponent had nothing to do with, but it was an anti-incumbent election, point blank.

BPD on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

So the only ones that bought her book are HA readers. Damn, that’s a big userbase.

ddrintn on December 4, 2009 at 9:14 PM

HA is the only legitimate haven of any repute for Quitter Fans that I know of, yes. It’s not exactly a robust populace, book sales notwithstanding.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Johan Klaus on December 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM

If they admitted that moderates weren’t key to election victories they’d be admitting they are the vestigial tail of American politics.

chicagojedi on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Don’t let the hate consume you.

Johan Klaus on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

I never said she’s perfect and not in need of improvement. I also don’t think she’s an unelectable joke.

ddrintn on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Well I’ve been pretty clear that it’s her babbling (and also her shallowness) that make her a joke, so maybe we’re not too far apart. But can she remedy? Vegas odds are not promising.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Only proper response to birthers is to call them dumb or nuts. They shouldn’t be given legitamacy.

therightwinger on December 4, 2009 at 9:10 PM

So you think 58% of the gop is dumb or nuts? why are you in the gop again? Being part of the 42% is no way to go thru life

A whopping 58 percent of Republicans either think Barack Obama wasn’t born in the US (28 percent) or aren’t sure (30 percent). A mere 42 percent think he was.

That means a majority of Republicans polled either don’t know about — or don’t believe the seemingly incontrovertible evidence Obama’s camp has presented over and over and over that he was born in Hawaii in ’61.http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html

Note to the smartest man in the room. Pissing off 58% of your party by calling them dumb, stupid, nuts is not a good way to win elections. Ask McCain how that worked out for him.

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Were you ever in the military?

Johan Klaus on December 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Don’t let the hate consume you.

Johan Klaus on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

LOL please. “Acute annoyance,” perhaps.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:21 PM

the reason or atleast what Allah says is the reason is because he thinks his worldview is the majority and Palin supporters are a small minority. I guess if Allah got out of the big city and faced the real truth that it is his worldview that is the minority within the GOp he would have to question his political beliefs up to this point.

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Palin’s worldview is my worldview, and I’m from NJ.

KH15 on December 4, 2009 at 9:21 PM

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Dumbest post of the night.

KH15 on December 4, 2009 at 9:17 PM

You should have seen him last night. Fact is, he’s still over in that thread, embarrassing himself.

John the Libertarian on December 4, 2009 at 9:22 PM

And if it wasn’t for Allahpundit, no one would even know what was going on on Chrissy’s show!

VinceP1974 on December 4, 2009 at 9:10 PM

No doubt if AP had been able to find any other source to make his point he would have used it. Alas, Chris Matthews is once again the only one in sync with the Sarah Palin innuendo of the week.

Ronnie on December 4, 2009 at 9:22 PM

the reason or atleast what Allah says is the reason is because he thinks his worldview is the majority and Palin supporters are a small minority. I guess if Allah got out of the big city and faced the real truth that it is his worldview that is the minority within the GOp he would have to question his political beliefs up to this point.

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:16 PM

AP is a New Yorker and the majority of them think that their worldview is held by the majority of the country and the rest of us are six-toed rubes. I appreciate his work, but he is not always wrong nor is he always right. He does know how to get some folks wound up though.

thomasaur on December 4, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Well I’ve been pretty clear that it’s her babbling (and also her shallowness) that make her a joke, so maybe we’re not too far apart. But can she remedy? Vegas odds are not promising.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Yeah because Mitt will get 2k people to stand out in the cold to buy his book? A joke? you are the joke. the evidence is in front of your eyes on a daily basis for the last 14 days on how popular Palin is and yet you want to hide it, dismiss it becaus eit doesn’t fit your worldview. that is being stuck on stupid.

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:22 PM

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Don’t let the hate consume you.

Johan Klaus on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Aww, c’mon. let it.

Brian1972 on December 4, 2009 at 9:23 PM

So nothing was learned from the McCain and Bob Dole fiascos.

Johan Klaus on December 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Sure did. In fact we learned the most from the Bush Fiasco. We learned that the Social Conservatives are a craven lot who need to shut the hell up and vote for a candidate approved by some of their peers with a little more depth of character.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Sure did. In fact we learned the most from the Bush Fiasco. We learned that the Social Conservatives are a craven lot who need to shut the hell up and vote for a candidate approved by some of their peers with a little more depth of character.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:24 PM

You’re a pretty hateful person.

Just an observation.

BPD on December 4, 2009 at 9:25 PM

The birth certificate is about as ‘settled’ as is man-made global warming.

Punditpawn on December 4, 2009 at 9:26 PM

So nothing was learned from the McCain and Bob Dole fiascos.

Johan Klaus on December 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Sure did. In fact we learned the most from the Bush Fiasco. We learned that the Social Conservatives are a craven lot who need to shut the hell up and vote for a candidate approved by some of their peers with a little more depth of character.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:24 PM

There you have it. Pure 180 proof hate.

Brian1972 on December 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM

I appreciate his work, but he is not always wrong nor is he always right. He does know how to get some folks wound up though.

thomasaur on December 4, 2009 at 9:22 PM

i agree allah is right on occasion. however his ego needs a gut check because NYC is not the capital of GOP thought. NYC is more like the backwater of conservative thought and the conservatives coming from NYC are like some lost cousins. you know that they are related to you but they look like the milkman and not your uncle

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM

The more you post, the more I become convinced that you are a blithering idiot. Keep up the good work; if nothing else, you’re good for a laugh or two.

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2009 at 9:28 PM

You should have seen him last night. Fact is, he’s still over in that thread, embarrassing himself.

John the Libertarian on December 4, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Ooooooh yes, do check out that thread. We learn a whole lot about some of the “superstar” Palin white knights around here. It’s entertainment galore!

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Palin’s worldview is my worldview, and I’m from NJ.

KH15 on December 4, 2009 at 9:21 PM

well there is hope then.

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:29 PM

True, but that will not get her elected.

AprilOrit on December 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Do you have that statement set up on a hotkey? One note samba.

Sporty1946 on December 4, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Yeah..I think im going to have to go with ACE’s analysis of Palin’s comments. His post on the subject was well thought out and very even handed. That’s not to say that Allah doesn’t make a few good points himself. I mean when I first read the comments she made I remember thinking this isn’t going to go down well and not necessarily because they were the wrong thing to say politically but because they had the potential to be used by her opponents on both the left and right to attack her and and paint her as some kind of crazy conspiracy nut. However when you actually take the time read/listen to and digest the comments she made in their proper context then you realise that she is not saying that she believes in birtherism, she is however pointing out the hypocrisy of one side calling the other side a bunch of crazy conspiracy nuts when they themselves engage in exactly the same sort of behaviour and expect it to be treated as a legitimate line of enquiry. Politically speaking ACE is right in the sense that throwing a bone to the base every now and then is a good thing politically and Allah is right as well in asking why now?

Personally I think she answered the question the way she did in order to get it out of the way now knowing full well that regardless of the wishes of certain factions of the GOP, Birtherism is not just going to go away, just like Trig Trutherism and 9/11 Trutherism. So politically speaking it is better for her to have this made into an issue now and get it over and done with while any potential damage can be kept to a minimum, than to have to deal with it in the middle a primary battle or even Presidential campaign were something like this can be used as a wedge issue to divide a voting base in a heated primary battle or general election. Any way I suspect that this will be the last you hear about Birtherism from Sarah Palin for a long time unless some new information comes to light or someone challenges her on her position on it and even then she will most likely fire of a pre packaged response and move on to the next question.

Hellrider on December 4, 2009 at 9:29 PM

You’re a pretty hateful person.

Just an observation.

BPD on December 4, 2009 at 9:25 PM

LOL Isn’t it funny how I’ve never mentioned my hatred for anybody. But the Quitter Fans love to dwell on the topic of hatred (and some other pretty interesting topics). Why is that, I wonder?

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Oh look a blithering, hateful, bigoted moron who heaved his frame up to a keyboard is derailing a thread to make the subject about his own craven perverseness.

daesleeper on December 4, 2009 at 9:30 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Thant’s ok. I was just trying to stir up the pot.

Sporty1946 on December 4, 2009 at 9:30 PM

A good analysis from Jim Geraghty at NRO.
Definitely worth a read.
He defends Palin and he’s not even a fan.

Amadeus on December 4, 2009 at 9:30 PM

i agree allah is right on occasion. however his ego needs a gut check because NYC is not the capital of GOP thought. NYC is more like the backwater of conservative thought and the conservatives coming from NYC are like some lost cousins. you know that they are related to you but they look like the milkman and not your uncle

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM

You have to understand how New Yorkers think. As “worldly” as they consider themselves to be, they are easily the most provincial people in America.

KH15 on December 4, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Forgive me if someone’s already mentioned this, but if Sarah Palin had a history of talking about Obama’s birth certificate every time questions regarding Obama’s fitness for office came up, I’d think there was something to worry about. As it is, Rusty Humphries, who I understand pesters everyone who appears on his show with this question, was the one who brought it up. Her answer IMHO was politically cadgy; don’t put down the folks who have questions about it, but don’t show any support for looking into the matter yourself. And on her Facebook page she related the fact that “…at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.”

So she may not have answered the question directly to either Allahpundit’s or Ed’s satisfaction; but because she shows NO SIGNS of having ever been or becoming a dreaded “birther,” to me, this is all a tempest in a teapot and IMHO the controversy only plays to the liberal left and to those like Decider, AprilOrit, Chekote and others who are looking for a reason to rule her out of any kind of political future. For the left, it’s because they either hate her or fear her; for the those on the right, it’s because they have their own particular candidate they are supporting and would prefer to have her out of the way so she doesn’t “muddy” the waters come the 2012 primary.

Again, IMHO, I feel that if you really want to be honest about what she said, you have to put it in context. Has she ever shown signs of this before? Is it in any of her writings or her speeches? In the company she keeps? If not, then why make such a huge issue about it?

theotherone on December 4, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Sure did. In fact we learned the most from the Bush Fiasco. We learned that the Social Conservatives are a craven lot who need to shut the hell up and vote for a candidate approved by some of their peers with a little more depth of character.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:24 PM

By “their peers” you of course mean ACORN funded leftists who vote in the GOP primaries ensuring McCain Moderate The Weakest Candidate Possible is nominated? Ah, not enough to use voter fraud, voter intimidation, and endless lawsuits. You’ve got to rig the game too. I have a name for cheaters like you. Coward. You’re a smug, vapid imbecile and a blight upon humanity.

chicagojedi on December 4, 2009 at 9:33 PM

There you have it. Pure 180 proof hate.

Brian1972 on December 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM

LOL. Typical. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: You’re not important enough to rate hatred. Get over yourself. You’re “acutely annoying” at best, your need for a Persecution Complex notwithstanding.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:33 PM

that’s not on the purity test.

eh on December 4, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Evidently.

Allahpundit on December 4, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Since when does HotAir have a Phone-a-friend option?

portlandon on December 4, 2009 at 9:35 PM

You’re a smug, vapid imbecile and a blight upon humanity.

chicagojedi on December 4, 2009 at 9:33 PM

“A blight upon humanity.” Sweet. You’d think that would at least rate me my own network special, wouldn’t you?

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:36 PM

…Get over yourself…
voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:33 PM

You’re telling somebody else to get over themselves? Now that’s funny. I don’t care who you are.

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 9:36 PM

The more you post, the more I become convinced that you are a blithering idiot. Keep up the good work; if nothing else, you’re good for a laugh or two.

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Stick around hillbilly. When some of your peers with aspirations toward intellectualism show up, then it really gets rolling.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:37 PM

AP, if the Hawaii Department of Health came right out and said that the Factcheck and Fight the Smears COLB’s were forgeries, would it change your stance on this issue at all? Why or why not?

I’ve asked you this before and you’ve totally ignored the issue. For now, just as a hypothetical situation, what evidence would falsify your belief that Obama’s records are all as they should be?

justincase on December 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM

You have to understand how New Yorkers think. As “worldly” as they consider themselves to be, they are easily the most provincial people in America.

KH15 on December 4, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Flyover country is the same. the only difference is the size. New Yorkers provincialism extends to the city limits. with some pockets outside of the city. the people of Flyover country extends the entire nation except for a few pockets of big cities as far as conservatives go. I mean you have the bible belt, etc but most conservatives in flyover country are Reagan republicans to the bone.

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Did you graduate from college?

Johan Klaus on December 4, 2009 at 9:39 PM

AP is a New Yorker and the majority of them think that their worldview is held by the majority of the country and the rest of us are six-toed rubes. I appreciate his work, but he is not always wrong nor is he always right. He does know how to get some folks wound up though.

thomasaur on December 4, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Hey hey hey, not SO broad a brush there fella, I know at least 2 or 3 who don`t think that way…and for the record, it`s six toe`d mamaluke…mmmkay?

NY Conservative on December 4, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Yawn. Somebody wake me when somebody like Treacher shows up. At least he tries. OK thanks.

/off

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:41 PM

AP is a New Yorker and the majority of them think that their worldview is held by the majority of the country and the rest of us are six-toed rubes.

funny thing about that is that the northeast megalopolis region sustains just about a sixth of the entire u.s. population.

there are plenty of six-toed freaks running around. we’re not insulated from know-nothings and nutcases at all. the misunderstanding is that the 5p/sq. mile population are insulated.

eh on December 4, 2009 at 9:41 PM

mmmkay?

NY Conservative on December 4, 2009 at 9:40 PM

OOOkay.

thomasaur on December 4, 2009 at 9:43 PM

LOL Isn’t it funny how I’ve never mentioned my hatred for anybody.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:30 PM

From this thread:

Social Conservatives are a craven lot who need to shut the hell up

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Stick around hillbilly. When some of your peers with aspirations toward intellectualism show up, then it really gets rolling.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:37 PM

make her a joke

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Caribou Quitter

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Quitter Fans

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 9:18 PM

BPD on December 4, 2009 at 9:46 PM

The simple fact is that there is something fishy in the records. Otherwise why hide the records. Perhaps it is the birth certificate or maybe the college records but there is something being hidden by the guy that professes to be transparent. Obama supporters please explain why he is hiding the records – if you can. I have never heard any reasonable explaination – actually never any explaination. I wonder why – maybe something fishy?

Gandalf on December 4, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Does that make 7% a Birther?

Holger on December 4, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Why yes, yes it does…

I was born in Wilmington, North Carolina in the United States of America, forty-five years ago.

A few years ago, I needed a copy of my birth certificate for a job application, and was able to obtain it by mail and a fee, since I live in Southern California. It sits in a file right next to little 7%’s, which I need every time I sign him up for Little League or Pop Warner.

No big deal. Thanks for asking.

Seven Percent Solution on December 4, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Don’t Democrats attend Kos Conventions and act as guests on MSNBC?

Don’t talk to me about supporting their fringe.

It’s a fight I’m sure she would be willing to tackle.

faraway on December 4, 2009 at 9:52 PM

funny thing about that is that the northeast megalopolis region sustains just about a sixth of the entire u.s. population.

there are plenty of six-toed freaks running around. we’re not insulated from know-nothings and nutcases at all. the misunderstanding is that the 5p/sq. mile population are insulated.

eh on December 4, 2009 at 9:41 PM

I guess you never learned math. 1/6th is not a majorty. In fact its only ~16%. Or in other words a MINORITY OF THE POPULATION.

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 9:54 PM

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