Retail sales slump in November
posted at 10:12 am on December 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Retailers need a big boost in sales in the final two months of the year for a large chunk of their annual profits, but November turned out to be bust — thanks to a disappointing Thanksgiving weekend. Retail sales had actually edged up slightly in September and October, but fell in November. Discounters eked out an increase, but department store sales fell 4.5%, signaling a bleak Christmas:
About 30 national chains reported monthly sales at established stores on Thursday, a key measure of the industry’s health. Several chains, including Costco and J.C. Penney, performed worse than analysts expected. Retailers said that unseasonably warm weather dampened sales at the beginning of the month. In addition, shoppers saved their cash for post-Thanksgiving deals. …
The ICSC showed that same-store sales — which measures results at stores open at least a year — fell 0.3 percent in November from a year ago, reversing two months of solid growth. Department stores fared the worst, plunging 4.5 percent. At Macy’s, where sales dropped 6.1 percent, executives said they expect some of November’s sales to shift to December because of changes to its promotional schedule and because December includes an extra selling day. Still, the company acknowledged that traffic the weekend after Thanksgiving was weaker than expected despite a strong Black Friday.
The post-Thanksgiving shopping bonanza is the traditional kickoff for holiday sales, and the November results gave the first hint of how the crucial season will fare. Frank Badillo, a senior economist at Retail Forward, said the figures show consumers are beginning to loosen their purse strings — but only for a deal. About 43 percent of shoppers plan to spend less this holiday season, a smaller percentage than last year but substantially more than in 2007, according to the consulting firm. Badillo said consumers are holding fast to their newfound frugality even as some sectors of the economy begin to show signs of life. …
Discount stores once again performed better than other retail sectors, pulling off a 0.6 percent increase in November sales, according to ICSC. TJX, which owns TJ Maxx and Marshall’s, jumped 8 percent, while Kohl’s sales rose 3.3 percent.
The good news is that retailers spent the last year downsizing — and yes, that’s the good news. Poorly-performing locations have already been closed, so most retailers won’t have to downsize at the end of a lackluster holiday season, or at least not too much. They don’t have much more to cut, not without hurting their top-line numbers in 2010 and taking themselves out of position to benefit from a recovery. As one analyst tells the Post, the bottom line (profit) will look better than the top line (sales figures), but that doesn’t mean the bottom line will look good.
Clearly, though, the recovery has not happened yet — or to be more accurate, the recovery has done nothing to build consumer confidence. Those with money have decided to hold onto more of it rather than spend carelessly. The 0.6% increase at discounters year-on-year is based on a truly terrible 2008, and 0.6% doesn’t even cover the increased cost of energy in transportation for the distribution chain that gets the goods to market. The emphasis may have shifted to bargain-hunting, but comparing the numbers shows that bargain-hunting hasn’t come close to making up for the drop in sales at other retailers.
People aren’t spending money as they normally do at this time. They do not seem to have much confidence in the so-called recovery, and they’re looking at a future of higher taxes and higher residual unemployment. While those remain reality, expect the consumer economy to drag seriously for the next several months, if not much, much longer.









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This must be that silver lining Bleeds Blue was talking about.
BPD on December 4, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Keep ‘em down and looking to the government………Obamanomics 101.
JoeinTX on December 4, 2009 at 10:17 AM
It didn’t help that most of the deals sucked this year, save SD cards, digital photo frames, and Blu-ray players.
MobileVideoEngineer on December 4, 2009 at 10:17 AM
I went out on Black Friday and I gotta tell you, the sales kinda sucked. The stores, in comparison to last year, were almost empty.
milwife88 on December 4, 2009 at 10:17 AM
No reason for confidence here, when many businesses are warning employees to prepare. Jan will bring many layoffs and furloughs.
LSUMama on December 4, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Big drop in gold prices today. “Noise”, or evidence a speculative bubble is deflating. Asking my Magic Eight Ball it says, “ask again later”.
Skandia Recluse on December 4, 2009 at 10:18 AM
I am pretty sure there was a significant decrease in discount stores here in SE CT. I was in BJ’s on Sunday afternoon last week and they had multiple pallet loads of black friday stuff left over all over the store.
Johnnyreb on December 4, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Ripping people off with more taxation ought to help, right?
Chip on December 4, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Quit pooping on Blue’s silver lining.
Bishop on December 4, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Time to pass health care and cap-n-trade. That’ll stimulate buying… people will be buying tickets out of the country.
Daggett on December 4, 2009 at 10:22 AM
All that extra seasonal work force didn’t help bring home the big bucks for retailers? I’m shocked. Nationwide unemployment to 12% in January. Merry Eid-Qwanza, Obambi.
Fletch54 on December 4, 2009 at 10:22 AM
12/2/2009 11:04:00 PM
United Solar lays off about 80 local employees
Ryan Jeltema
News Editor
GREENVILLE – About 80 United Solar Ovonic employees in Greenville are losing their jobs this week, according to employees at the two local plants.
Production also is being slashed at least until June, according to the employees who would not give their names.
Plant Manager Gary DiDio acknowledged the company is reducing costs but would not confirm the number of layoffs or severity of the production cut. An official announcement is planned for later this week.
“It’s a matter of adjusting our cost structure to our demand,” he said. “It’s based on the economic crisis and lower demand. We need to balance our demand with our operating costs and right now our demand is lower.”
The nearly 425 Greenville employees are learning of the job cuts and reduced production during a series of meetings this week. According to employees, laid off workers are receiving a two-week severance package plus one week’s pay for every year they worked for the company.
All employees also get a $10 gift card to Meijer.
Got to love the Governor.
fourdeucer on December 4, 2009 at 10:23 AM
It’s a good thing people shop less when they otherwise need to borrow money to do it.
the_nile on December 4, 2009 at 10:23 AM
This was discussed in the Porkulus II thread yesterday. Our resident economic genius crr6 seriously said that people who save or pay off debt are hurting the country, so it’s better for the government to take and use the money instead.
jwolf on December 4, 2009 at 10:26 AM
The economy were saved!@!
Good Lt on December 4, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Obama saved or created $6 billion in sales.
faraway on December 4, 2009 at 10:32 AM
The problem is that that’s a common idea. That wealth will be created by forced spending.
the_nile on December 4, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Am I the only one who thinks it’s a good thing people aren’t using credit cards to “deficit spend” their way through Christmas? Sure, it doesn’t help WalMart or Toys R Us right now, but it seems like it will help our economy in the long run.
Exurban Jon on December 4, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Where’s Bleeds Blue? I want to sing a duet of “Happy Days are Here Again”.
amerpundit on December 4, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Gee, it’s difficult to go on a shopping spree when you don’t have a job. Looking to the government is not going to get you enough money to participate in Black Friday.
Poor Obama. He can’t create enough money to keep everyone that had a job in the manner to which they had become accustomed. He can print it all he wants, but there will never be enough. Too bad we real Americans understand that. We aren’t going to give up our standard of living because he thinks we ought to. Just goes to show you that a Communist-American doesn’t know what it means to be an American.
BetseyRoss on December 4, 2009 at 10:33 AM
As long as Barry and Company are in charge, talking increases in all levels of taxes, you can kiss any ‘recovery’ goodbye.
GarandFan on December 4, 2009 at 10:33 AM
I just saw a mainstream article that said we should ignore the Christmas sales reports because they are “confusing”.
Every bit of bad news for the libs is now “confusing”. I saw another report a couple weeks ago that said the mammogram recommendation was “confusing”. They really think anyone who opposes their bull**** policies that don’t work is “confused”.
LibTired on December 4, 2009 at 10:34 AM
I’d agree with you on the deficit spending. But if major retailers are hurt by the serious drop in sales, we could be talking about even more Americans laid off from work. Never mind the indirect harm caused by additional outlets being closed and fewer people paying income taxes.
amerpundit on December 4, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Crank up the mint Bambi and fill your stash, I need f*#king money for Christmas
bluegrass on December 4, 2009 at 10:35 AM
You Rethuglikkklans are just upset because the recession is over.
LibTired on December 4, 2009 at 10:36 AM
✓ Schools want more money => higher property taxes.
✓ State governments have huge medicaid burdens => higher taxes.
✓ Local and state pensions need to make up budget gaps => higher taxes.
✓ Bush tax cuts set to expire => higher taxes.
✓ Payroll taxes can no longer on their own cover
payments => higher taxes.
✓ Payroll taxes will soon not cover SocSec payments => higher taxes.
The only silver lining I can think of is converting my dollars to silver and lining my pocket with that instead.
WashJeff on December 4, 2009 at 10:36 AM
More people are putting money into savings. Unfortunately, the policies of this administration are going to keep killing the dollar.
Asher on December 4, 2009 at 10:37 AM
This year is going to be like the John Galt Christmas special.
BDavis on December 4, 2009 at 10:38 AM
good, if the recession is over, how come more people are being laid off in rurual So. Virginia? how come more children are on food stamps?
how is that? am i just a “confused” American?
kelley in virginia on December 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Job Summitpalooza will saves us, I tells ya.
bloviator on December 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Nope, that’s exactly what we need to stop. People need to start holding onto their money rather than spending everything they make and then some.
jarodea on December 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Make sure you hide your stocks well…there’s plenty of precedent for government confiscation of precious metals. It has already happened once on an individual level and just recently on a corporate level when the federal goons sacked the Liberty Dollar operation.
Dark-Star on December 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM
You don’t understand the nuances of liberal economic policy. You see, a shrinking workforce, larger welfare rolls, a higher deficit, and plummets in retail sales are all actually good news.
Why?
Shut up, that’s why.
amerpundit on December 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM
You Rethuglikkklans are just upset because the recession is over.
LibTired on December 4, 2009 at 10:36 AM
LOL
LSUMama on December 4, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Joe in TX could just as well be Joe the Plumber. This IS the nail on the head of Obama’s agenda to control our daily lives—a full throttle government dependency. In Obama’s world, only the government can make your life better. By promising free healthcare, free education, free EVERYTHING to the poor voting masses that most likely don’t pay taxes—and therefore DON’T CARE, Obama and the democrats have played their cards to perfection, (in their minds).
I fear that if this current congress is not stopped from passing these two bills, (healthcare and cap and trade), “the government” will have won the biggest battle to control our daily lives for generations. IT MUST BE STOPPED!!!
Rovin on December 4, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Well, whether the economy is in recession isn’t based on food stamp usage or layoff levels, but whether the economy is growing or not. There is going to be a lot of welfare usgae and unemployment for sometime even after the recession ends.
As I mentioned in the other unemployment thread, we’re going to need 300-350,000 jobs a month created just to get back to 6% unemplyment by 2012. That is we’ll need to surpass even the late 90′s bubble economy scale of growth (relatively speaking, more jobs were needed back then since the labor force was growing faster).
jarodea on December 4, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Um, no he didn’t.
The American people engaging in commerce in the private sector did.
Obama created trillions in public debt with nothing to show for it.
Keep up.
Good Lt on December 4, 2009 at 10:44 AM
And employment only fell by 11,000!
I estimate that without the stimulus, sales would have dropped 114.8% and employment would have fallen back to Bush-level losses of 500 million jobs per month.
Source: Nancy Pelosi and Paul Krugman
mankai on December 4, 2009 at 10:44 AM
My business accountant is coming in in a few minutes. I am going to ask him about converting all my IRAs to Roth IRA to avoid future tax rates. My main concern is that the fed finds a new way to tax Roth IRAs in the future.
WashJeff on December 4, 2009 at 10:45 AM
I’m going to state the obvious… people don’t buy if they don’t have money. They have no money because they have no jobs. People are scared to spend an extra dime because they don’t know what kind of crap sandwich they’re going to have to swallow whole tomorrow.
BHO and the dolts in DC have simply lost sight of the fact that it’s the economy, stupid!
Dump this STUPID healthcare BS. It is KILLING US!
Oink on December 4, 2009 at 10:45 AM
I think the comment was sarcasm.
amerpundit on December 4, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Ain’t happening, according to the economic forecasts for next year.
Obamaconomy.
Good Lt on December 4, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Enjoy the Christmas Season, cause after the first of the year, you’ll be seeing the second dip.
PappaMac on December 4, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Given our resident Obamazombies, it’s hard to tel sometimes.
An O-bot is certainly dumb enough to actually claim with a straight face that Obama “created” the sales in the private economy.
They were dumb enough to vote for him.
Good Lt on December 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Racist, why aren’t you planning on watching the Oprah/Ogabe White House Christmas Show?
We can all huddle around the 55-gallon drum and burn furniture while sipping from a communal stew pot as we watch the elegant Ogabe’s descending the winding staircase of the official residence, dressed to the nines and preparing to wow us all with their glamor.
Bishop on December 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Honest question – do you think the New Year sales will have some semblance of success, or will the s— start hitting the fan right away?
Dark-Star on December 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Well thank Gaia that there will be fewer obscene profits this year.
mankai on December 4, 2009 at 10:51 AM
There have been stories that many shoppers are buying for themselves this season to seize upon the sales. If true, some holiday shopping is “stealing” sales from the future akin to C4C.
WashJeff on December 4, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Oh no doubt about it, however strong the recovery is I would wager my entire savings (which is $0 at the moment) that the next 3 years will not come close to much less surpass the late-90′s bubble economy.
jarodea on December 4, 2009 at 10:53 AM
This recession has wrought so much destruction and litterally “eaten” so much money in the market that I have to think it will takes years and years of hopefully good growing years to completely return to where we were in 2005/2006.
That said, it may not be until 2013/2014 before a government is in place that will actually reverse some of the horrendous actions taken by this one and allow a recovery to catch it’s breath. It’s depressing but we might not see real positive across-the-board economic numbers for another 4-5 years.
God help us all………
JoeinTX on December 4, 2009 at 10:55 AM
I’m afraid this might be the last straw for commercial real estate. How many marginal locations have been kept open just to get to the Christmas season? They will be closed. On top of what’s already shuttered, the additional closures might lead to another disaster this spring or late winter.
forest on December 4, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Retail sales slip? Yeah, that’s due to the redundant “economic policies” of the dicks in charge.
Libertarian Joseph on December 4, 2009 at 10:56 AM
good, if the recession is over, how come more people are being laid off in rurual So. Virginia? how come more children are on food stamps?
how is that? am i just a “confused” American?
kelley in virginia on December 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM
//
International Paper is closing their plant in Franklin. Another 1400 jobs lost early 2010.
uknowmorethanme on December 4, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Emerson (huge medical device manufacturer) is moving pretty much all of their manufacturing operations over seas.
uknowmorethanme on December 4, 2009 at 10:59 AM
That’s the real danger that people know, but refuse to discuss.
uknowmorethanme on December 4, 2009 at 10:59 AM
In order for purchases to be made, consumers will need to have the necessary funds. I believe that most thinking people aren’t making as many purchases on credit, nor are they making unneccessary purchases.
I think by April 15, sh!t will be hitting the fan.
PappaMac on December 4, 2009 at 11:00 AM
I can confirm that phenomenon for Black Friday. The retail-worker forum I frequent is awash with observations that shoppers are out for themselves. And that combined with this:
…could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. (excellent observation BTW)
Not to mention that the housing marker is still engaged in a shell game in many ways that would take far too long to explain. Suffice it to say that the curtain WILL be going up in the near future, the piper will demand payment and we haven’t got the proverbial two cents to rub together in order to pay him.
Dark-Star on December 4, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Good news! It’s about time Big Paper stopped greedily seeking those evil profits.
/s
mankai on December 4, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Having been lucky enough to have sold my manufacturing company last summer which made and sold consumer products globally…..I predicted to several people inside our industry, that Christmas would be a bust for this year. On top of that, the Dept. Store chains were already in trouble last year. With this Christmas..I predict…going down in flames. The next thing our country will have to worry about is big Dept. Store Chains and smaller retailers going out of business after the first of next year.
In the retail industry, 60% of your business comes in the last quarter of the year and drops off after January when stores are discounting off what they didn’t sell for Christmas. Look for bad things in the news from March through the summer of next year. If major retailers go out of business this next spring, 2010 is going to be more of a nightmare for everyone.
Also, I have a close friend in Banking who has told me that all of the banks are holding lots of bad paper in Commercial Real Estate. This is the next shoe to drop as banks are holding onto Commercial to bolster their bottom line. Once they start foreclosing on their commercial paper, things are going to get ugly.
This administration is clueless on how to turn the economy around. It’s more than likely because none of them have ever created a job themselves and most have never worked jobs outside of Government. They should be doing this:
Eliminating the Capital Gains Tax
Lowering Taxes on all Business
Decrease Regulations that make it hard for American companies to compete with other companies globally
Get out of the way of business and allow Laissefaire capitalism to flourish
Allow Free Trade among all nations
Stop bailing out bad companies and allow the market to correct failure on it’s own….it’s called Bankruptcy.
We have a Constitution given to us by our Founding Fathers…..Government has no rights other that what “We The People” give it. STOP Interfering with our Freedoms and Liberty.
If the government would start implementing the strategy I’ve outlined above, American Business will pull this country up by it’s bootstraps and get us out of this mess were in.
FreedomLover on December 4, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Didn’t get what you meant until I remembered what’s due on that day from one and all. Definitely agree.
I would personally find it hilarious – even if it was in a black-humor kind of way – if something very major hit the fan on April Fool’s Day.
Dark-Star on December 4, 2009 at 11:04 AM
The slight drop in unemployment is good news. I would love to see this as a true trend.
AnninCA on December 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM
And the Cash for Home Buyers program ends at the end of December as well. The housing market will most likely see the bust that followed Cash for Clunkers.
mankai on December 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM
John Kerry taught me in 2004 that even 9 months of continual job growth and a one-month gain of 250,000 jobs is nothing short of living in a Depression.
mankai on December 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM
In Argentina, all retirement accounts were taken by the govt and added to the govts retirement program. In exchange the former investors were promised slightly higher payments from the govt system when they retired. It didn’t matter that a few years later, the govt retirement system went bankrupt.
MarkTheGreat on December 4, 2009 at 11:08 AM
So let me see if I have this correct…. sales are down but the “good news” is that retailers have closed locations, thus helping push the commercial real estate crisis (many think it’s bigger than the last one) over the edge.
Okay… Wonder what 2010 will be like?
CC
CapedConservative on December 4, 2009 at 11:10 AM
The economy will get better when Ayers unveils his Cash For Christians program.
LibTired on December 4, 2009 at 11:11 AM
LOL
LibTired on December 4, 2009 at 11:12 AM
As somebody once said, it’s entirely appropriate that tax day comes in the middle of the month that begins with April Fools and ends with May Day.
MarkTheGreat on December 4, 2009 at 11:12 AM
1) It isn’t a good news until we find out if it is the start of a true trend. There was a similar drop in June that was also touted as the start of the recovery.
2) It’s only “good news” if the U3 number is the only thing you look at. If you examine all of the economic data, the good feelings dissapate fast.
MarkTheGreat on December 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Zing!! Sir, you have some very sharp arrows in your quiver.
jwolf on December 4, 2009 at 11:15 AM
The answer, of course, is to tax more, print more, spend more, and regulate more.
jukin on December 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Not true, Congress extended it. The dirty little secret is that any upswing in home sales was based on the idea that this program was going to be coming to an end. The numbers looked better as people who were going to be buying in the near future pushed ahead to take advantage of this program.
highhopes on December 4, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Exactly. People spend too much and save too little, and fixing that necessarily means consuming less. Buying useless crap on credit is the first thing that needs to go.
needtoknow on December 4, 2009 at 11:29 AM
It is a single data point in a string of data points that tell the opposite story. But why don’t you tell one of those 11,000 newly jobless just how damned lucky they are.
highhopes on December 4, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Not just extended it, but also extended it’s scope. In the past only first time buyers could use the program. Now just about anyone can.
MarkTheGreat on December 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Buying useless crap on credit or otherwise is the second thing that needs to go. First thing is to get rid of all but one or two credit cards and make sure you zero balance them if you decide to use them.
highhopes on December 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Retail real estate is buckling at the knees as I type. Won’t be long.
SouthernGent on December 4, 2009 at 11:35 AM
You missed a few steps.
Tax more.
Blame Bush for the lousy economy.
Print more.
Laud the failed stimulus plan as the smartest scheme ever.
Spend more.
Declare minor upswings like a .2% dip in unemployment as proof that we are mere weeks away from a booming economy.
Regulate more.
Repeat as necessary.
highhopes on December 4, 2009 at 11:36 AM
For the next week until the revised numbers come out you can expect to see plugs stupid face on every station telling us how wonderful the stimulus is working. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to now that because of the holidays that the service and retail sectors are not laying off till after the first and then you will see the blood flowing.
jistincase on December 4, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Macy’s just may have held its last Thanksgiving Parade this year.
pilamaye on December 4, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Curse you BOOOOOOOOOOOSH
MarkTheGreat on December 4, 2009 at 12:01 PM
I know. But it sure would be nice to see some good news for real people and not just Wall St.
AnninCA on December 4, 2009 at 12:04 PM
That 10.0% unemployment number is going to look real ugly after 1) the predictable revision upwards, and 2) retailers cutting back staffing early…
It won’t be a merry Quanza for all the little children in the WH…
phreshone on December 4, 2009 at 12:06 PM
In addtion to renaming Black Friday to Half Black Friday
in honor of Pinnochio I think we should rename:
Jobs saved or Created to Jobs Saved or Caved!
dhunter on December 4, 2009 at 12:07 PM
I think this is the start of a new beginning in how consumers will operate for the next decade or so. Our retail sector is still vastly larger than can be realisticly supported by consumers. From about 2004-2007 american consumers were typically spending about 5% more than they earned. With savings now at about 5% (where they probably should and will stay) Americans are spending about 10% less. That could be a (and hopefully is) a 10% boost in sales retailers don’t see anytime soon.
snoopicus on December 4, 2009 at 12:07 PM
1) Despite what you have been told, Wall Street is made up of real people.
2) There’s been good news for Wall Street? Where?
MarkTheGreat on December 4, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Ann just being her usual brain-dead self.
AsianGirlInTights on December 4, 2009 at 12:24 PM
The economy has been saved!
/getabrain
rbj on December 4, 2009 at 12:39 PM
AnninCA on December 4, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Last time I saw figures, somewhere around half the money that is invested in the stock market comes from retirement accounts. Unless I’m mistaken, “real people” have retirement accounts. Your attempts to divide the world into two classes, “real people” whom I assume you consider yourself part of. And rich people, who aren’t necesarilly real, so it’s alright when you take there money away in order to spend it on yourself.
MarkTheGreat on December 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Th slight drop is almost surely due to holiday temp hiring. I have friends with BA/BS degrees who just started working at Sears and Hallmark while they look for other work. Sure, it’s better than unemployment but that does not give me hope for the economy.
When Wall St. does well, the companies that make it up have more money to buy goods from my company which then has the money to not slash hours and shut down unpaid for a week at Christmas. And due to that unpaid week, I’m forgoing a good chunk of shopping that would have gone into the local book store or the mom & pop coffee shop. It’s simple enough that I really don’t understand where this class resentment comes from in some people. If Wall St. is going down then drain, the little guy is soon to follow. It’s a timing thing, not an us vs. them.
BakerAllie on December 4, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Nope.
angryed on December 4, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Pretty soon, there doesn’t even have to be a profit. Gobermint is going to tax any (ANY) transaction.
Way to encourage commerce.
Sir Napsalot on December 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Are you really this naive?
angryed on December 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Buying useless crap on credit or otherwise is the second thing that needs to go. First thing is to get rid of
all but one or two credit cards and make sure youzerobalance them if you decide to use them.highhopes on December 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM
First thing is to get rid of Pinnochio!
dhunter on December 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM
95% of merchandise manufactured solely overseas
V-rod on December 4, 2009 at 2:02 PM
From, for example:
“Whaddya mean I owe extra tax for my ‘Cash for Clunkers’ sweet deal?”
“Whaddya mean I owe extra tax for the ‘tax cut’ that Obi-Won ‘gave’ me in the Porkulus bill?”
Both of which are starting points on the path to:
“How come my
free moneytax refund is less than last year? Y’mean I didn’t outsmart the gubmint last year?“ya2daup on December 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM
FIFM
ya2daup on December 4, 2009 at 2:05 PM
mdenis39 on December 4, 2009 at 2:05 PM
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