Gates: July 2011 would only be “beginning” of drawdown
posted at 9:30 am on December 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Robert Gates tried again to clarify what Obama meant by his 2011 deadline on the war in Afghanistan, but in the process watered it down even further. He told Congress yesterday that the drawdown of troops would only begin in July 2011, but that US troops would take as long as three years to leave Afghanistan once ordered out — assuming, of course, that they are ordered to begin leaving in summer of 2011, which Gates said may or may not happen. And the Pentagon also “clarified” that the additional troops will take longer to get in place than Obama implied:
The withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan, scheduled to begin in July 2011, will “probably” take two or three years, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said Thursday, although he added that “there are no deadlines in terms of when our troops will all be out.”
The Pentagon, meanwhile, quietly acknowledged slippage on the front end of the 30,000-troop deployment that President Obama authorized for the first half of 2010. …
In an opening statement and in comments at a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Gates tried to clarify his response to sharp questioning the day before on whether the deadline to begin withdrawal was as hard and fast as Obama had appeared to make it.
“July 2011, the time at which the president said the United States will begin to draw down our forces, will be the beginning of a process,” Gates said. “But the pace and character of that drawdown, which districts and provinces are turned over and when, will be determined by conditions on the ground. It will be a gradual but inexorable process.”
Those provinces and districts, a senior Pentagon official said, are likely to be areas that already are relatively peaceful, adding, “There are places we could transfer now.”
The official described the deployment curve as beginning at a baseline of the 68,000 U.S. troops now in Afghanistan, rising at a 45-degree angle to 100,000, then continuing horizontally until July 2011 before beginning to slope back down. The fall “could be steep if everything is hunky-dory,” he said, but “it could be much more elongated.”
Elongated? That sounds like a big loophole in the deadline, doesn’t it? In fact, that sounds a lot like George Bush’s plan for the Iraq surge, which makes sense. After all, that plan worked, and it allowed the US to move its forces around as each province became secure enough for the Iraqi Army to maintain. Instead of being elongated, the success of the surge in 2007-8 allowed for steeper slopes of drawdowns, especially for Marines in western Iraq.
Of course, the Bush plan deliberately excluded an element in the Obama surge for Afghanistan: a published timetable. While the enemy in Iraq certainly understood that Bush had tremendous political opposition to his escalation and that the upcoming election could impact the staying power of the US on that front, they had no fixed date around which to plan, and with which to intimidate locals into acquiescence.
Gates seems to realize that in his testimony, as does this Pentagon official on background. They’re talking about July 2011 as a decision point, not as a fixed timetable for the beginning of a withdrawal. Is that different than what Obama promised in his Tuesday speech?
Taken together, these additional American and international troops will allow us to accelerate handing over responsibility to Afghan forces, and allow us to begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011. Just as we have done in Iraq, we will execute this transition responsibly, taking into account conditions on the ground.
It’s certainly less clear. The definition of “conditions on the ground” seems to be the big issue. If conditions on the ground don’t merit a withdrawal, will Obama still insist on withdrawing? He implied that the answer was yes, while Gates and the Pentagon appear to say no. This is one of the reasons why it’s best not to publish arbitrary deadlines for winning wars in the first place.
Update: McClatchy’s confused, too:
The Obama administration is giving different explanations of its July 2011 deadline for the start of an Afghanistan troop withdrawal, assuring foreign officials that it applies only to the 30,000 to 35,000 additional U.S. troops that President Barack Obama is sending next year, but suggesting to Congress that it covers all U.S. forces.
The conflicting versions suggest that the administration is trying to reassure U.S. allies in the region and elsewhere that the U.S. won’t cut and run, while telling a concerned American public, Congress and Democratic Party that it has an exit strategy. …
The deadline has triggered Republican charges that the Taliban-led insurgents will be encouraged to intensify the war while running out the clock on the U.S. military presence. It also has sowed dismay in the region, especially among Pakistani officials, who are concerned that the U.S. will walk away from Afghanistan, as it did after the Soviet Union withdrew in 1989 and set the stage for the Taliban’s emergence.









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But 7/2011 is “set in stone.” Shouldn’t Gibbsy bring out the chisel he claimed to have?
Wethal on December 4, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Ed; did anyone notice if Gates was wearing tap shoes when he was doing this?
or was there a little monkey with a cute red hat cranking a box nearby when he was giving an explanation.
jus’ askin’
ted c on December 4, 2009 at 9:34 AM
How about someone asking the guy in charge, the CinC exactly what his plans are. Noooo, that would make too much sense and would force Ogabe to actually make a firm decision on something; can’t have that.
Bishop on December 4, 2009 at 9:34 AM
“Loopholes and expiration dates, my dear Watson, loopholes and expiration dates…..”
JoeinTX on December 4, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Gates has been around that Obama regime too long . . . he has begun playing with the same “smoke and mirrors”.
rplat on December 4, 2009 at 9:35 AM
This is good news. Because, you know, if we don’t fight them over there, we will have to fight them over here.
keep the change on December 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM
I caught some video from the event, taken from a different angle. This really helps tell the story.
ted c on December 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Elongated
apostic on December 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM
(heh, lemme try that again)
Elongated
apostic on December 4, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Racist!!!
Johnnyreb on December 4, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Sounds like somebody’s talk’in out both sides of there arse.
SHARPTOOTH on December 4, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Johnnyreb on December 4, 2009 at 9:38 AM
whatchu mean? monkeys dance, guys grind organs, the hat fills with money, people laugh.
the analogy is pretty simple. The music starts, the secdef starts to dance, people laugh.
no meaning beyond that.
ted c on December 4, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Well it’s not like you can just sneak into the White House and ask him..
WashJeff on December 4, 2009 at 9:46 AM
I’m more concerned with whether this confuses the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Drained Brain on December 4, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Where we see President Prissypants trying to vote “Present” on his own damn plan.
Wow…what a leader…
catmman on December 4, 2009 at 9:50 AM
The one thing the enemy has learned for sure out of all this is that The Cover-girl in Chief and his coterie haven’t a clue about what they’re doing.
TXUS on December 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM
Just to put this in perspective, we are still sending troops to Kosovo and how many years ago was that 27-day bombing campaign over? 11 years? 12 Years?
What makes me angry about this particular story is that the filthy lying coward made a date-certain statement with very little latititude and his minions have spent the last two days assuring us all that this was not as concrete as Obama made it sound in his propaganda event at West Point.
Why did the President lie to the American people?
highhopes on December 4, 2009 at 9:52 AM
I wonder if Mr Eikenberry’s phone has stopped ringing yet.
Stupid timetable President Obama.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 4, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Well then, let’s throw them a real game-changer by impeaching this lousy criminal and making them try to figure out what the hell President Biden is talking about.
highhopes on December 4, 2009 at 9:54 AM
I’m tellin’ ya, the HA people are on fire today.
*another deep bow*
Bishop on December 4, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Maybe this whole thing is on purpose.
The plan is to get the Taliban…umm..TaleeBahn just as confused as everyone else.
They’re just gonna sit on their haunches in PokEEStahn and say ‘WTF’?
Brilliant!!!!
BigWyo on December 4, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Obama: “These war games are hard”!
donh525 on December 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Is there any reason to believe this guy knows what Bowbama will do in 2011? or that he will even be around in 2011? As to both Q’s, I doubt it.
james23 on December 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Smoke and Mirrors again!!!.
hawkman on December 4, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Oh, the vast possibilities: Cerebral Obama Says “Path to Victory” in Afghanistan Lies Through Wormholes and an Infinite Number of Alternative Universes http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/12/cerebral-obama-says-path-to-victory-in.html
Mervis Winter on December 4, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Obama: “Let me be perfectly clear. I don’t know what I’m doing.”
donh525 on December 4, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Obama/Axelrod takes “what IS – IS” to a whole new level.
marklmail on December 4, 2009 at 10:05 AM
ROTFLMAO!
Of course, the icing on the cake is the admission yesterday that the only way the SS even knew about the crashers was through Facebook. They could well not be the only ones to have been crashing that party, just the ones stupid enough to be tweeting about it.
highhopes on December 4, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Only clean, articulate speakers have to have a weeks worth of analysis to be understood.
fourdeucer on December 4, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Confusion as a national policy.
What could go wrong?
Skandia Recluse on December 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Remember,this is an unprecedented surrender strategy. Elongation is merely a side effect.
Fletch54 on December 4, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Exactly what I was thinking. What a joke.
“Well, we’re going to do something, sometime, until we decide to do something else, some other time.”
reaganaut on December 4, 2009 at 10:42 AM
As an Aggie I feel sorry for Gates. He is trying to do the best he can, but the guy in charge keeps giving him terrible ideas to sell while Obama hides behind his pragmatism or coolness or whatever the buzzword is this week. When your boss tells you to go do something, it isn’t like you can say no. I also think Gates doesn’t want to resign because who knows what kind of man/woman would take his place.
txaggie on December 4, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Excellent points . . . that could indeed be his motivation for staying.
rplat on December 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Expiration date on sending more troops? Highly likely.
Does anyone wonder what Sec Def Gates advised President Bush in 2008 when Bush said no to more troops in Afghanistan?
I think Gates said:
a) I have talked to both Obama and McCain and both have assured me that they will send more troops to Afghanistan and I believe this will help the new President transition if he is seen doing this.
b)something about the timeline- the troops coming home from Iraq needed rest or when this request came through the troops wouldn’t have been able to get there before Nov
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Will the anti-war movement be in Oslo to protest when Obama picks up his Nobel Peace prize?
And why haven`t the left wing libs started massive anti-war protests? Imagine if it was Bush ordering a new surge of troops to Afghanistan? The Democrats and lefties would be screeming.
albill on December 4, 2009 at 10:51 AM
They’re always confused.
Del Dolemonte on December 4, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Commander-in-Chief Clenis said at the time the troops would all be home “by Christmas”.
He just didn’t say which one.
Del Dolemonte on December 4, 2009 at 10:54 AM
See – Obama wasn’t dithering. At the end of a 3 month wait we have a clear and effective strategy!
/SARC
gwelf on December 4, 2009 at 10:55 AM
I think the question that everyone would like an answer to, the question that cuts through all this politicized subterfuge in Obama’s West Point speech and the congressional testimony is this:
Is our CinC committed to employing all necessary American power in Afghanistan until we have accomplished the specified mission or is he going to quit after a certain period of time regardless?
Obama owes Americans (hawks and doves alike) a clear answer on this point.
John E. on December 4, 2009 at 11:25 AM
FIFY
shick on December 4, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Was this little lap dog humping Bambis leg when he said this?
bluegrass on December 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Time for another photo op.
Brat4life on December 4, 2009 at 11:52 AM
No, because it never has been a deadline.
I don’t see any timetable.
A mere start date for withdrawing troops is not a timetable.
MB4 on December 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM
BTW, how is Obama’s “timetable” for withdrawing 1 to 2 brigades a month from Iraq for 16 months going?
MB4 on December 4, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Well cry me a river. The Pakistanis have an army as big as ours and the Taliban are largely their creation so let them fight them.
MB4 on December 4, 2009 at 1:05 PM
I get it. We`re trying to confuse the Taliban so they won`t know to lay low or fight, right?
…. Right?
ThePrez on December 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM
You may think it’ll be elongated, we’ve all heard that before.
But its not the length, its where you’re putting it that matters. And right now isn’t the time to be putting it anywhere.
You’ve gotten way too fast in pulling it out and trying to put it places. Leave it alone for now, and if we need it later you can pull it out then and admire how elongated it is… ok?
What? Why is everyone looking at me funny?
gekkobear on December 4, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Yea; Right; Now we’re going to get several months of re-defining what “we heard” about this;
These people’s brains spin like junkies on drugs. And the American people are junkies for believing this crap.
Cybergeezer on December 5, 2009 at 8:57 AM