Palin: Obama’s birth certificate is fair game; Update: Transcript added; Update: Palin responds

posted at 10:44 pm on December 3, 2009 by Allahpundit

At 7:45, your quote of the day. Something for (almost) everyone here: For the left, smoking-gun proof that she’s a fringe character, and for Birthers, smoking-gun proof that their concerns are mainstream. As for righties like me and Ed (and Glenn Beck) who think this particular science is well settled, tomorrow should be a fun media day.

I wonder if she realized when she said this that it’s going to follow her around.

Update: Some people are commenting that they can’t load the clip, so here’s a transcript.

Would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?

I think the public, rightfully, is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bother to make it an issue ’cause I think there are enough members of the electorate who still want answers.

Do you think it’s a fair question to be looking at?

I think it’s a fair question, just like I think past associations and past voting record — all of that is fair game. You know, I’ve got to tell you, too: I think our campaign, the McCain/Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were and perhaps what their future plans were. And I don’t think that that was fair to voters to not have done our jobs as candidates and as a campaign to bring to light a lot of the things that now we’re seeing made manifest in the administration.

I mean, truly, if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama’s past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right?

Hey, you know, that’s a great point, in that weird conspiracy-theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn’t my real son. And a lot of people say, “Well you need to produce his birth certificate! You need to prove that he’s your kid!” Which we have done. But yeah, so maybe we could reverse that and use the same [unintelligible]-type thinking on them.

Update (Ed Morrissey): Late last night, Palin responded on her Facebook page in a post called “Stupid Conspiracy Theories”:

Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask… which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.

Well, the best way not to get tagged as a Birther is to refrain from saying that people are “rightfully making it an issue” and that the only reason that she would avoid doing that herself is because “there are enough members of the electorate who still want answers.” It’s the same thing as Truthers saying that all they’re doing is “asking questions.” The answers have already been provided; they just reject them because they’re married to their conspiracies.

I think Palin just discovered the First Rule of Blogs: Don’t feed the trolls.


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FIRST!!1!

;D

RedNewEnglander on December 4, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Oh, so this is the intelligent comments page.

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Closing on 1980 posts…this has got to be some kind of record…..:lol

dec5 on December 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Oh, so this is the intelligent comments page.

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 3:32 PM

I know you are, but what am I?

;P

RedNewEnglander on December 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Whooohooo !!! 1974 posts on Sarah Palin thread so far!!!

dec5 on December 4, 2009 at 3:28 PM

the largest number of posts will be on the thread discussing the next future terrorist attack on our soil that killed hundreds +. and you can thank barry for that!

Ghoul aid on December 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM

oh is that a kitty cat
Here kitty kitty

What was I saying?

kangjie on December 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM

The GOP should add “Birther” the 11th item in it’s 10 Principles to determine a Republican. At least this one is more specific.

It seems most Republicans believe it and don’t understand that it places them in the same camp as the Democrat Truthers but just on opposite sides of the kooky fringe fence.

Decider on December 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM

shit. In which I provide a concise, accurate self-description.

eh on December 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:35 PM

the largest number of posts will be on the thread discussing the next future terrorist attack on our soil that killed hundreds +. and you can thank barry for that!

Ghoul aid on December 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM

So you are hoping and wishing for that, right? That will teach him!

Decider on December 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM

The GOP should…

Decider on December 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM

…listen to you.

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Hey, we’re now in the Friday afternoon news blackout zone. This is when the White House loves to dump all of its bad news.

ted c on December 4, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Bwahahahahaha. There goes the monitor again.

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 3:37 PM

the largest number of posts will be on the thread discussing the next future terrorist attack on our soil that killed hundreds +. and you can thank barry for that!

Ghoul aid on December 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I can see why you bottle your urine, real american! Only when America fails do your kind win. Mission accomplished!

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Looks like someone is fishing for the banhammer.

Rebar on December 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM

My bid for 2000th comment.

John the Libertarian on December 4, 2009 at 3:41 PM

2000….in 7 post…wooohooo!!!

dec5 on December 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM

darn! off by 7… er, 6

John the Libertarian on December 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM

‘Afternoon, Deb. We can always count on you for a pithy comment.

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM

5…..

dec5 on December 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM

4…

dec5 on December 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM

c’mon, Treacher! Say something funny so we can push this over the top!

John the Libertarian on December 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM

2,000, huh?

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM

c’mon, Treacher! Say something funny so we can push this over the top!

John the Libertarian on December 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM

“Something funny.”

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM

I am going to have to bail: Off ‘work’ for the day
I will donate some money to my favorite minority group tonight(at the Choctaw Indian Casino)

I predict 2246 comments, before it all over.

kangjie on December 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Congrats 2000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yipppeee!!!!!!!!!!!

dec5 on December 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM

How was that?

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Unless there are some moderated comments, it appears that I had the 2,000th comment.

/give me my cookie now, dammit

Abby Adams on December 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I think you get a certificate or something…:lol

dec5 on December 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM

It had more depth than anything voxignoramus wrote today.

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 3:48 PM

c’mon, Treacher! Say something funny so we can push this over the top!

John the Libertarian on December 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Looks like that was 2,000! Congratulations, you win… um… the warm glow of achievement?

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:48 PM

That’s what it comes down to. IMHO she gave legitimacy to the Birthers with her comments. It would have been better if she added the fact that 9/11 Truthers have a right to ask questions. AND, that people had a right to ask if Trig was really her son.

Sheesh guys, and I thought y’all believed the US was founded on the principles of freedom. You’re starting to sound like a bunch of statists. They believe the country was founded only on the freedom to succeed – even if you sit on your a$$ all day and do absolutely nothing to earn that success. I thought we conservatives realized that the country was founded on freedom, period. Freedom to succeed OR freedom to fail – the statist try their best to take away that second part of freedom.

So yeah, people have the right to ask stupid questions like if Trig is really Palin’s son. And the same people can be called fools, kooks and everything else in the book. Cuda was pushing for the freedom to ask. Unless y’all want the Washington ruling class to start declaring which thoughts are worthy and which aren’t – mmm yeah, sounds just like another PC European weenie country. So much for American ingenuity that comes from allowing the people to follow their own thoughts and ideas which made the US the great country it is – the great ideas/questions lead to new discoveries, the stupid ones fade away with time.

miConsevative on December 4, 2009 at 3:48 PM

How was that?

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM

worked for me. I laughed.

John the Libertarian on December 4, 2009 at 3:48 PM

I can see why you bottle your urine, real american! Only when America fails do your kind win. Mission accomplished!

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM

America is failing right now due to your God barry obama. suck on that fact you socialist pig.

Ghoul aid on December 4, 2009 at 3:50 PM

wow 21 pages for the irrelevant person. What a shock. Let me know when a Mitt thread gets 2,000 posts.

the Palin haters are unhinged loons that occupy a small subset of the GOP and a large majority of the socialist left

unseen on December 4, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Sarah shoots moose.

Barry has moobs.

Game, set and match to Palin.

omnipotent on December 4, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Back to real life….

The Obama citizenship scandal will be covered up if it is
true…..wouldn’t be surprised….

Unless the Clintons get a hold of proof for payback..
And these folks good at that kind of stuff..

BTW..

Hope Palin sells a ton more books….this Christmas.

dec5 on December 4, 2009 at 3:54 PM

LASue on December 3, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Ha! If you thought that was something…

:-)

Abby Adams on December 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM

my family has now decided to go back to gift exchanging after going the grab bag thing last year for whatever reason. looks like a few more GOING ROGUE copies will be bought!!!! and i will smile from ear to ear as the smug liberal b-tch behind the barnes and noble counter rings them all up.

Ghoul aid on December 4, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Ok, just checking in…what did I miss?

ornery_independent on December 4, 2009 at 4:06 PM

The issue is: he won’t show the documents.

The solution is: show the documents.

Let us all see the college transscripts that identify him as an INTERNATIONAL STUDENT, or, make all the birthers look silly when that suspicion is laid to rest.

There is only one guy to blame for the lingering controversy, and his name is spelled O-b-o-o-b-a.

Akzed on December 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM

my family has now decided to go back to gift exchanging after going the grab bag thing last year for whatever reason. looks like a few more GOING ROGUE copies will be bought!!!! and i will smile from ear to ear as the smug liberal b-tch behind the barnes and noble counter rings them all up.

Ghoul aid on December 4, 2009 at 3:58 PM

That’s great, urine-bottler! You show that there librul who’s boss while you buy your $8 books!

Walk tall, real american!

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM

OT/Did I miss something or is there no Friday afternoon atheism thread?

Akzed on December 4, 2009 at 4:08 PM

OT/Did I miss something or is there no Friday afternoon atheism thread?

Akzed on December 4, 2009 at 4:08 PM

no, AP threw the chum in the water last night and the sharks have been tearing at it all day….

ted c on December 4, 2009 at 4:11 PM

c’mon, Treacher! Say something funny so we can push this over the top!

John the Libertarian on December 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM

“Something funny.”

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM

How was that?

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM

worked for me. I laughed.

John the Libertarian on December 4, 2009 at 3:48 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM

elitist.

bluelightbrigade on December 4, 2009 at 4:17 PM

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM

elitist.

bluelightbrigade on December 4, 2009 at 4:17 PM

late-sipping/walmart-shopping elitist/populist.

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Walk tall, real american!

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM

BABY, YOU’RE JUST MAD I’M NOT BUYING A BUNCH OF “DREAMS OF MY SOCIALIST KENYAN FATHER” BOOKS.

LICK IT UP TROLL….LICK….IT….UP!

Ghoul aid on December 4, 2009 at 4:20 PM

That’s great, urine-bottler! You show that there librul who’s boss while you buy your $8 books!

Walk tall, real american!

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM

It must be a sad and lonely place you are at to be such an asshole.

portlandon on December 4, 2009 at 4:21 PM

That’s great, urine-bottler! You show that there librul who’s boss while you buy your $8 books!

Walk tall, real american!

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM

It must be a sad and lonely place you are at to be such an a**hole.

I pray for you to find some happiness in such a dark time in your life.

portlandon on December 4, 2009 at 4:22 PM

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM

elitist.

bluelightbrigade on December 4, 2009 at 4:17 PM

late-sipping/walmart-shopping elitist/populist.

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:20 PM

meh. nice try. ur still an elitist.

bluelightbrigade on December 4, 2009 at 4:24 PM

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM

elitist.

bluelightbrigade on December 4, 2009 at 4:17 PM

late-sipping/walmart-shopping elitist/populist.

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:20 PM

and it’s “latte”, Broseph.

bluelightbrigade on December 4, 2009 at 4:24 PM

*hey, trolls…new thread about ur Messiah’s numbers tanking*

bluelightbrigade on December 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM

MY FAMILY HAS NOW DECIDED TO GO BACK TO GIFT EXCHANGING AFTER GOING TO THE GRAB BAG THING LAST YEAR FOR WHATEVER REASON. LOOKS LIKE A FEW MORE going rogue COPIES WILL BE BOUGHT!!! AND I WILL SMILE FROM EAR TO EAR AS THE SMUG LIBERAL B-TCH BEHIND THE BARNES AND NOBEL COUNTER RINGS THEM ALL UP.

Ghoul aid on December 4, 2009 at 3:58 PM

FIFY

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM

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eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:29 PM

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eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:30 PM

woa.

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:31 PM

It must be a sad and lonely place you are at to be such an a**hole.

I pray for you to find some happiness in such a dark time in your life.

portlandon on December 4, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Thanks, Don! Remember, #3 died for your sins.

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 4:44 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:29 PM

When you run out of lines, why not expand your horizons and switch to the pipe?

NightmareOnKStreet on December 4, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Well, Allah & Ed, you have reached new heights with this post in so many ways. By allowing so many violations of terms of service just to run up the numbers, you have provided nearly endless “HotAir sez…” quotes for DailyKos etc. Congrats!

NightmareOnKStreet on December 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Go Girl!

swimcoachmike on December 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:29 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:30 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:31 PM

In which eh lives up to its name.

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Ace’s take: What happened to the big tent?

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 3:26 PM

In other words, what some would call stepping in it others (most) would call smart.

Well, whaddya know.

KittyLowrey on December 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Has anyone else noticed how attractive Sarah Palin is?

joe_doufu on December 4, 2009 at 5:22 PM

She needs to go away, stat.

lawya on December 4, 2009 at 5:26 PM

I think anyone who believes in AGW ,is not only a nutcase,but a danger to our nations economy.That covers the entire Dem party from Obama and NBC on down.

theTarCzar on December 4, 2009 at 5:27 PM

I’d bet 50k, that I don’t have, that Obama has pathetic grades. Possibly all C’s.

We know Bush and Algore’s grades and we chuckle, Why can’t we see Obama’s grades?

The first Affirmative Action Prez is hiding things, like grades and transcripts. What else?

He is definitely not hiding corruption, Remember that Inspector General he fired? Of course not …

He doesn’t mind hiding his corruption just the things that matter. After all the masses are the masses.

father on December 4, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Would love to see anyone produce a birth certificate & challenge the POS to do the same.

BHO Jonestown on December 4, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Head of the DNC is a 9/11 truther.Dems not embarrassed at all.Whats that tell ya? http://www.slate.com/id/2092515/

theTarCzar on December 4, 2009 at 5:31 PM

The answers have already been provided; they just reject them because they’re married to their conspiracies.

Maybe you should talk to your co-blogger about that. This isn’t the first time he’s tried to twist her words and call her something she’s not. Last month she was a libertarian bent on a third party run — until she said the opposite. Here we are again.

I think Palin just discovered the First Rule of Blogs: Don’t feed the trolls.

Yeah, like this is the first time a blog posted nothing but inuendo about Sarah Palin. Why should she plan her day around what AP might right?

Ronnie on December 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Jimmy! You’re back. Excellent. Jim and I were carring on this conversation about homosexuality. Jim likes to raise homosexuality in casual conversation. I noticed you did the same thing. Anything you want to add to this discussion?

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM

72?

jimmy2shoes on December 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Ronnie on December 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM

.. write, that is.

Ronnie on December 4, 2009 at 5:38 PM

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Awesome, the celebrity insipiration for The Men Who Stare At Goats is in the house.

Do you take a bath in that kool aid to get the most from osmosis, or do you suck it through a straw up your nose?

rukiddingme on December 4, 2009 at 5:39 PM

On the progressive blogs, the story about her Climategate remarks are really drawing the same kind of jeering.

Guess that means they’d jeer this site. They think THAT is as ridiculous as birthers.

AnninCA on December 4, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Do you take a bath in that kool aid to get the most from osmosis, or do you suck it through a straw up your nose?

rukiddingme on December 4, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Perhaps I should eat FREEDOM fries and waddle around walmarts and tea parties?

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Jimmy! You’re back. Excellent. Jim and I were carring on this conversation about homosexuality. Jim likes to raise homosexuality in casual conversation. I noticed you did the same thing. Anything you want to add to this discussion?

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM
72?

jimmy2shoes on December 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM

LOL All the depth and insight one comes to expect from a Quitter Fan.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 5:52 PM

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 5:47 PM

And leave your flock behind? How dare you!

rukiddingme on December 4, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Perhaps I should eat FREEDOM fries and waddle around walmarts and tea parties?
simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Why, Deb. I’m sorry you have weight difficulties. Have you called Jenny yet?

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Perhaps I should eat FREEDOM fries and waddle around walmarts and tea parties?

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 5:47 PM

simplesimon is looking for ideas on what to do with herself. does anyone have a suggestion ? don’t be shy.

runner on December 4, 2009 at 5:56 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:29 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:30 PM

eh on December 4, 2009 at 4:31 PM

In which eh lives up to its name.

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Beautifully played!

Perhaps I should eat FREEDOM fries and waddle around walmarts and tea parties?

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 5:47 PM

You seem to think being fat in your mom’s basement is somehow cooler.

chunderroad on December 4, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Palin/Quayle 2012

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM

LOL All the depth and insight one comes to expect from a Quitter Fan.
voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Hey, you’re back. Did you get some ointment for that smackinh around Jim Treacher gave you?

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 5:55 PM

ROFLMAO!

runner on December 4, 2009 at 5:56 PM

She is a he wanting to be a she.

rukiddingme on December 4, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Palin/Quayle 2012

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM

axelrod/axelrod 2008 ?

runner on December 4, 2009 at 5:59 PM

You seem to think being fat in your mom’s basement is somehow cooler.

chunderroad on December 4, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Not at all! You bloated real american-types drive up health-care costs. Good thing for my President. Obamacare for all you fatasses!!!

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 6:01 PM

AnninCA on December 4, 2009 at 5:47 PM

It’s funny how climategate and BCgate have pretty much the same elements, yet at Hot Air, one is plausible and one is not. At least the left is consistent.

Ronnie on December 4, 2009 at 6:05 PM

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 6:01 PM

There’s no neeed to lash out like that, Deb. Call 1-800-GO-JENNY. They can help you with your problem.

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 6:06 PM

“simplesimon” seems to be a attempt to broadly parody the worldview of a sheltered lefty, as written by someone who has recently experienced severe head trauma.

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Not at all! You bloated real american-types drive up health-care costs. Good thing for my President. Obamacare for all you fatasses!!!

simplesimon on December 4, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Couldn’t be further from the truth. Young, healthy people such as myself don’t buy health insurance, because we don’t get sick. We work low-wage jobs straight out of college, and we pay enough taxes as it is.

You’re just fat and want me to pay your way. Get a job, Deb!

chunderroad on December 4, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Or an attempt.

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 6:07 PM

“simplesimon” seems to be a attempt to broadly parody the worldview of a sheltered lefty, as written by someone who has recently experienced severe head trauma.

Jim Treacher on December 4, 2009 at 6:06 PM

I would love to traumatize race fan’s head. It would be like whacking at a pinata stuffed with Crisco.

chunderroad on December 4, 2009 at 6:08 PM

She is a he wanting to be a she.

rukiddingme on December 4, 2009 at 5:58 PM

perhaps there is a do it yourself kit available, to expedite things

runner on December 4, 2009 at 6:11 PM

LOL All the depth and insight one comes to expect from a Quitter Fan.

voxpopuli on December 4, 2009 at 5:52 PM

You asked if I’d like to add anything. What would you like depth and insight into?

jimmy2shoes on December 4, 2009 at 6:23 PM

I’m sorry…what was the topic…

LOL…this is funny…like trying to piece together a novel/sitcom but only reading every 25th page

winston on December 4, 2009 at 6:25 PM

I’m sorry…what was the topic…

LOL…this is funny…like trying to piece together a novel/sitcom but only reading every 25th page

winston on December 4, 2009 at 6:25 PM

voxpopuli was attempting to convince Treach on the merits of Shakespeare and homosexuality or something.

jimmy2shoes on December 4, 2009 at 6:28 PM

runner on December 4, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Dang it, that is the second monitor that has been ruined. Hilarious!

rukiddingme on December 4, 2009 at 6:32 PM

and palin is like Falstaff…because Tiger Wodd’s mother is michelle uhbuhma…and algore is still sleeping with the hildabeast…..could that be right…

winston on December 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM

winston on December 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM

That’s right. And voxpopuli is the Oracle…or Ernest T. Bass from Mayberry, NC, use your best judgement.

kingsjester on December 4, 2009 at 6:43 PM

This may have been stated already. (I’m not about to read 22 pages of comments.) I thinks she is saying, If I have to put up with this kind of BS why shouldn’t Obama.

smokinjoe on December 4, 2009 at 6:51 PM

smokinjoe – that’s exactly what she’s saying.

JEM on December 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM

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