Video: Hillary’s turn to confuse everyone about the 2011 timetable

posted at 9:32 pm on December 2, 2009 by Allahpundit

In hindsight, when I re-read the full quote, McChrystal’s take on the timeline is more ambiguous than I thought. So here’s how my scoreboard looks right now. The One says withdrawal will begin in July 2011 no matter what; Gates says we’re striving hard to have it begin in July 2011 but ultimately it’ll depend on conditions circa December 2010; and McChrystal’s read on it is TBD. That leaves Hillary, who I think is in the Gates camp — but frankly, at this point, I’m not sure they’re being consistent even in their own statements. Halfway through she says Obama wants to see the handover to Afghans begin in 2011 but that “It needs to be done in a responsible way that is conditions-based.” Then, at the very end, as she discusses the surge in various resources to Afghanistan, “All of that will enable us to make the goal of 2011 a real target for us to aim at.” If it’s merely a goal they’re shooting for, then it isn’t “locked in” per The One’s command. If it is locked in, then conditions may affect the number of troops that are withdrawn initially but it’ll have to be some number of troops — and given the left’s expectations, that number can’t be wholly insignificant. Which is it? And how come the Smart Power brigade couldn’t hammer out this rather critical talking point when they had three months to do it?

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Oh Great. So nobody knows what’s going on.
That’s nice.
That’s just greeeaaat

bridgetown on December 2, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Pull-out 2011!!

So,finally,the Liberal Party has SURRENDERED!!

So,they did have a PLAN after all!!

canopfor on December 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Hillary is being as ambiguously ambiguous as possible; 2011 is close to 2012 and if Ogabe is blowing it even bigger than he is now….well….

Bishop on December 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Obama is a Democrat, which means his #1 priority (our country is about #100 on the list) is his own re-election.

So it all depends on how his electoral prospects are going, which is why the selected 2011.

If it helps him to get re-elected, he’ll keep the troops there past 2011 and if it doesn’t, he’ll pull them out.

How it affects the country is irrelevant. It’s Barack Obama’s country and we’re just living in it.

NoDonkey on December 2, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Obama is having message problems today.

Take a look at this article from Red State:

“In his speech to the nation last night, President Obama claimed that ‘Commanders in Afghanistan repeatedly asked for support to deal with the reemergence of the Taliban, but these reinforcements did not arrive.’

Rumsfeld wrote a piece today that basically said, “Such a bald misstatement, at least as it pertains to the period I served as Secretary of Defense, deserves a response.”

Robert Gibbs cheerfully responded to Donald Rumsfeld’s denial that he’d denied troops to Afghanistan with, first, a clarification that Obama had been talking about the post-Rumsfeld era of 2008.

…”I will let Secretary Rumsfeld explain” whether the war in Afghanistan “was sufficiently resourced during his tenure” … and how he thinks “history will judge whether they were or were not sufficient,” Gibbs said.

Gibbs quipped: “You go to war with the secretary of Defense that you have.”

Or, in the case of the Obama Administration, you go to war with the very same secretary of Defense – Robert Gates, the man who held the job in 2008 – that you just threw under the Obamabus.

So McChrystal has been stabbed in the back today, Hillary has been stabbed in the back today. And SecDef Gates has been stabbed in the back, and run over with a bus.

Enoxo on December 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Oh Great. So nobody knows what’s going on.

What’s new? That’s been the story of this administration since Day One. Hell, why change now?

GarandFan on December 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM

To say that everyone involved in this is not on the same page is an understatement the size of Godzilla.

pilamaye on December 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Good lord, Hillary looks like crap! Who’s doing her hair?!?

S. Weasel on December 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Enoxo on December 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM

how many more knife wounds can ol’ hillary take?

Ghoul aid on December 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Have you no shame, madam? Save what little dignity you have left.

SouthernGent on December 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Have the white flags been ordered from China?

GarandFan on December 2, 2009 at 9:39 PM

I’m beginning to think they needed one more big meeting on their Afghanistan strategy.

MayBee on December 2, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Which is it? And how come the Smart Power brigade couldn’t hammer out this rather critical talking point when they had three months to do it?

Maybe it’s not a bug, but a feature?

This way they can be to be all things to all people.

red winger on December 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM

True to Clinton triangulation style, she manages to take every position simultaneously and will claim “see I was right” no matter what happens.

kooly on December 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM

I dropped in from the Maureen Dowd thread to see what condition my condition was in.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on December 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Hillary is more concerned about her plans for 2011.

Mr. D on December 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Boy, Hillary looks like crap. Letting her hair grow too–not a good idea.

How’s that SecState job working out for ya, Hil?

IrishEi on December 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM

how many more knife wounds can ol’ hillary take?

Ghoul aid on December 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM

I wouldn’t doubt that she’s eyeing a chance to jump off to Governor of NY if it gets to be too much even for her.

Enoxo on December 2, 2009 at 9:41 PM

S. Weasel on December 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Hah! Didn’t see that. But I guess it means it’s true.

IrishEi on December 2, 2009 at 9:42 PM

McChrystal and our soldiers do not deserve the crap that is this administration.

cubachi on December 2, 2009 at 9:43 PM

I have visions of crying Afghany women and children,
as the last helicopter takes off,

as a mirror image of the last helicopter that left
South VietNam on the way to the AirCraft Carrier!!

The Liberal Party,and HilRod finally got what they want!!

canopfor on December 2, 2009 at 9:44 PM

This “Secretary of State” thingy hasn’t been kind to Cankles…

Either that, or she might want to skip a speech, cocktail party, or road trip and get some rest.

Pretty soon, she will turn into a cross between Madeleine Albrite and Helen Thomas.

Seven Percent Solution on December 2, 2009 at 9:44 PM

In spite of all the criticism she took, accepting this SecState gig is turning out to be a brilliant move for Hillary.

She gets to stay in the news with little effort, she avoids having to vote on hot button issues, and when she hangs up her diplomat gloves and jumps into the 2012 race, she can claim that she was merely following Obama’s orders wrt to his disastrous foreign policy.

IrishEi on December 2, 2009 at 9:47 PM

This is a hard/soft, certain/conditional, based on politics/situation on the ground timeline……….which comes complete with the obligatory trademark Obama expiration date.

It can mean anything at this point and in 2011 as well depending upon what’s going on at the time.

It’s the Kerry defense………”I was for the timeline before I was against it, or vice versa, whichever works for the audience I’m yacking at this particular moment…”

JoeinTX on December 2, 2009 at 9:47 PM

I really do feel like a pretzel right now..all achey and full of pain, then placed on a merry go round spinning. Guess it is a good thing that they didn’t strip me naked for the world to see……ugh

hawkman on December 2, 2009 at 9:47 PM

The Afghans have a vote also. Just how many do you think will still be part of the ANA in July 2011. Just how many commanders in the ANA will still be in country in July 2011. The Afghans heard one thing in this speech, Americans are gone July 2011. This may not be the message intended from our CinC it is the message the Afghans got.
Now is the time the Afghans will rape and pillage anything and everything that is not nailed down by coalition forces. The Afghans have one thing in mind, survival! They will stop pointing out IED. They will stop all intel. They will assist the new leaders(taliban) lead coalition forces into ambush. They will do whatever they need to do to survive. How many supplies do you really think will make it from Pakistan to the FOB’s? We just implemented a plan of KAOS. No matter how great our commanders are (and they are great) they will not be able to control an Afghan population that will do whatever they need to do to survive. Afghans know how to survive they have 1000′s of years of practice and history of surviving.
There will be NO civilian surge to rebuild anything unless they have a plane on standby with engines running ready to take off that can have them wheels up in less than 10 min. This is KAOS strategy no matter what was intended.

Sanmon on December 2, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Good lord, Hillary looks like crap! Who’s doing her hair?!?

S. Weasel on December 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM

My guess would be Jesse (feather boa)Ventura

mike_NC9 on December 2, 2009 at 9:49 PM

And how come the Smart Power brigade couldn’t hammer out this rather critical talking point when they had three months to do it?

Way to get at the nut, AP. Good question.

Saltysam on December 2, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Smart power.

I don’t think that there are any adults in the White House.

thgrant on December 2, 2009 at 9:49 PM

This administration is a complete joke.

El_Terrible on December 2, 2009 at 9:50 PM

HRC is blinking in code an SOS
has anyone checked to ensure they didnt nab Chelsea to keep HRC in line

I dont know how Gates and HRC and Mullen are dealing with it

My thought is all three of them and McChrystal and Petraeus are all hoping to God The Big O will listen to them in 2011 and they can show enough progress to keep us there

unfortunately I think Obama is playing the Long Con and has not told THEM his real plans to pull out come hell or high water

ginaswo on December 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Sure, we can pull out by July 2011. If that’s what you want. Or not. Whatever you think is best, that’s the policy. Ok?

CK MacLeod on December 2, 2009 at 9:52 PM

That’s also our domestic policy, too, btw. Unless you’d rather it wasn’t.

CK MacLeod on December 2, 2009 at 9:53 PM

ready day one

rob verdi on December 2, 2009 at 9:54 PM

I have to admit I do not know this for a fact, but I’m pretty sure I read that Uncle Barry was still fiddling with this speech earlier in the day Tuesday. Which means Tuesday-night Uncle Barry wasn’t necessarily on the same page as Tuesday-morning Uncle Barry.

Why would we expect anyone to be on the same page as the Ditherer-in-Chief?

ManUFan on December 2, 2009 at 9:54 PM

For some inexplicable reason,I cannnot copy and paste
Der Spiegal,so,its old school I have to do!!
———————————————————–

SEARCHING IN VAIN FOR OBAMA MAGIC
———————————-

Never before has a speech by Barack Obama felt as false as
his Tuesday address announcing Americas new strategy for
Afghanistan.it seemed like a campaign speech combined with
Bush rhetoric–and left both dreamers and realists feeling
sistraught. -Der Spiegal

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,664753,00.html

============================================================

If Obama loses Germany,hes lost his Presidentcy!!!

canopfor on December 2, 2009 at 9:55 PM

sistraught,should be distraught!

canopfor on December 2, 2009 at 9:57 PM

And how come the Smart Power brigade couldn’t hammer out this rather critical talking point when they had three months to do it?

Way to get at the nut, AP. Good question.

Saltysam on December 2, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Kinda reminds me of college when you would see someone complaining on how hard they were studying, open books and papers all over the desk, but all they did was get Starbucks and plan ‘study groups’ that were cocktail parties, always on the run coming and going ‘some where’, and when it came to test time…

Complete failure.

Too bad American lives are on the line for this group. But no time for that now, time to plan a ‘Jobs Summit’ without inviting the Chamber of Commerce or anyone who has created a single private sector job.

Yes, cocktails will be served…

Seven Percent Solution on December 2, 2009 at 9:59 PM

I really don’t think they are talking to each other. Zero and his thugs running the show come out with statements that everyone else disects and thinks this is what Zero is thinking. There is only one plan set in stone as Glenn said on his show the other day. All this talking about what Zero wants is just speculation from others. Noone knows what Zero is thinking and that’s scary. He doesn’t even know what he wants. God helps us and get us through these next 3 years.

Brat4life on December 2, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Hillary has her Huck moment.

Give it up, Hill. You’re a loser. You clawed your way to fame on Bill’s back, and you accepted a nothing position in Barry’s admin. You made yourself irrelevant.

Your best days are behind you. After spending time in places like the Congo where you embarrassed yourself you have demonstrated that you are finished.

Bye!

Cody1991 on December 2, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Pacifists running a war.
What could possibly go wrong?

B Man on December 2, 2009 at 10:00 PM

ready day one

rob verdi on December 2, 2009 at 9:54 PM

rob verdi: No kidding,and all through the Liberal Primaries
Obama said he had a PLAN!!

LIAR is more like the PLAN!:)

canopfor on December 2, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Yes, cocktails will be served…

Seven Percent Solution on December 2, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Seven Percent Solution: So far,Hopey/Changey has one
hellavu ongoing,neverEnding,
LIVE reality tv show on the go!!:)

canopfor on December 2, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Its 3:00AM,

and Obama left the answering machine on,as hes playing
golf in the moonlight!!

canopfor on December 2, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Can we label Obama and Hillary the Ambiguously Gay Duo?

WashJeff on December 2, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Hey, if you can do it with law, with the constitution, why not policy. Your policy can be anything you want it to be for as long as you need it. All you have to do is make people believe it.

Of course federally managed health care for all will reduce the budget deficit. Of course the constitution says congress can do anything, see? It’s right there, for the general welfare.

Of course it’s the right thing to do, send more troops to Afghanistan. They really don’t have to fight anyone, and we can bring them home whenever conditions warrant. And Of Course, The Obama will decide what those conditions might be, someday, soon, maybe, if needed.

See? He really is the messiah, miracle worker, Obama can do anything. See? He just did.

Skandia Recluse on December 2, 2009 at 10:06 PM

I dropped in from the Maureen Dowd thread to see what condition my condition was in.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on December 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Calico Silver?

Del Dolemonte on December 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Yes, the adults are in charge now….

Scrappy on December 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM

It’s simply the old trick of saying everything under the sun, then no matter what happens you can point back to one of your statements and say “See? I told you….”

IMO.

cs89 on December 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM

These people are a mess and it is heartbreaking to know that our troops are the ones at risk for their idiocy. I hate to say it, but if this is the way we are going to fight this war we might as well pack it in now, let Obama take the hit for the loss.

echosyst on December 2, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Pull-out 2011!!

canopfor on December 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Haha…. See now that’s where Bill Clinton is even smarter. He never inserted, so he never had to “pull out”. Well, Ok, I guess the cigar was had to.

Scrappy on December 2, 2009 at 10:11 PM

The adults are in charge.

And they’ve been drinking.

malclave on December 2, 2009 at 10:19 PM

SMART SMUG POWER

sawbuck on December 2, 2009 at 10:25 PM

To say that everyone involved in this is not on the same page is an understatement the size of Godzilla.

pilamaye on December 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM

They’re all on the same page. That page says “We have to start pulling troops out before the next election, but we have to make it sound like we’re actually doing the right thing and basing our final decision on the conditions at the time.”

taznar on December 2, 2009 at 10:26 PM

The adults children are in charge.

And they’ve been drinking from their parents booze cabinet.

malclave on December 2, 2009 at 10:19 PM

FIFY

Kini on December 2, 2009 at 10:28 PM

This Administration is a sick joke. Seriously.

I only hope I have the opportunity to look back on these clowns and laugh.

David2.0 on December 2, 2009 at 10:29 PM

And how come the Smart Power brigade couldn’t hammer out this rather critical talking point when they had three months to do it?

They were busy helping Social Secretary, Desiree Rogers, plan all the parties. Perhaps if Obama spent a little less time at golf….

TN Mom on December 2, 2009 at 10:32 PM

A sphincter says what?

russcote on December 2, 2009 at 10:39 PM

So McChrystal has been stabbed in the back today, Hillary has been stabbed in the back today. And SecDef Gates has been stabbed in the back, and run over with a bus.

Welcome to the club.

/America

LibTired on December 2, 2009 at 10:43 PM

SMART SMUG SCHMUCK POWER

sawbuck on December 2, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Hillary 2012!!!!

antisocial on December 2, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Man, she looks awful. Get some sleep, girlfriend.

tree hugging sister on December 2, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Remember when the Nazi dude choose poorly at the end of The Last Crusade? Spitting image of the crone in the video.

Grafted on December 2, 2009 at 11:21 PM

In hindsight, when I re-read the full quote..

Deja Vu

Ugly on December 2, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Man, she looks awful. Get some sleep, girlfriend.

tree hugging sister on December 2, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Yeah, she looks heavily medicated these days.

ddrintn on December 2, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Oh Great. So nobody knows what’s going on.
That’s nice.
That’s just greeeaaat

bridgetown on December 2, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Nah, Dear Leader says “definitely” to appease his base – he says what they want to hear. The others are more ambivalent because their rhetoric is reality-based.

atheling on December 2, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Man, she looks awful. Get some sleep, girlfriend. tree hugging sister on December 2, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Yeah, she looks heavily medicated these days.
ddrintn on December 2, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Besides her job we need to keep in mind that she has Bill as a life partner and works directly for Obambi. I’d look a LOT worse under those circumstances.

Mojave Mark on December 3, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Hillary: “It needs to be done in a responsible way that is conditions-based.”

Not stated is that it’s “conditions-based” on Obama’s reelection campaign.

RJL on December 3, 2009 at 12:25 AM

And how come the Smart Power brigade couldn’t hammer out this rather critical talking point when they had three months to do it?

All the confusion is deliberate and designed to keep the Tollybahn guessing.

ya2daup on December 3, 2009 at 1:32 AM

She’s looking really pretty these days, huh?

D2Boston on December 3, 2009 at 1:47 AM

Secretarian must be hard.

yoda on December 3, 2009 at 2:20 AM

“All of that will enable us to make the goal of 2011 a real target for us to aim at.

Here’s and idea: how about the goal being “VICTORY?”. And how about not putting a timetable on victory? Gawd these people are pathetic. But it the type of thing they all know. Setting a deadline for something to get passed.

Just ONCE I would like to hear Barry use the word victory and/or “freedom” in a speec.

Fed45 on December 3, 2009 at 2:51 AM

She looks tired.

The only thing they have done is to provide Al Qaeda and the Taliban with a timetable. Now the enemy knows they can out wait us, that Bozo will not take the fight to them and that they will win.

dogsoldier on December 3, 2009 at 6:59 AM

willing suspension of disbelief

davidk on December 3, 2009 at 7:27 AM

her hair looks like kak……

bperiwinkle on December 3, 2009 at 7:52 AM

And how come the Smart Power brigade couldn’t hammer out this rather critical talking point when they had three months to do it?

Because they were too busy weaving a tapestry of lies about your health insurance and your doctor in order to “justify” them destroying your choices regarding both and replacing your choices with theirs.

Good Lt on December 3, 2009 at 8:03 AM

Hillary: “It needs to be done in a responsible way that is conditions-based politically conducive to Obama’s re-election bid.”

Truth.

Good Lt on December 3, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Pretty soon, she will turn into a

cross between Madeleine Albrite and Helen Thomas.

Seven Percent Solution on December 2, 2009 at 9:44 PM

That was exactly what popped into my mind when I saw that pic.

cntrlfrk on December 3, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Waiting for the libs to pick up this angle-

At the Nobel Peace prize awarding ceremony coming up in Oslo, Norway:
“And for the person who just last week announced he is expanding the war in Afghanistan, becoming a War President and sending a surge of 30,000 more troops to create mayhem and destruction and more war across the lands of Afghanistan and Pakistan we award the Nobel Peace Prize to Barrack Obama.”

Wonder if the Nobel Peace prize guys are thinking they were a bit premature in their selection?

albill on December 3, 2009 at 8:20 AM

IrishEi on December 2, 2009 at 9:40 PM

She looks like she’s aged 10 years since she took that job.

petefrt on December 3, 2009 at 8:24 AM

That is a pretty awesome mullet she has going there.

bitsy on December 3, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Purposeful obfuscation. Prof. Irwin Corey makes more sense.

diogenes on December 3, 2009 at 8:48 AM

So; Has Hillary found herself a cave like Bin Laden? She sure can disappear quick.

Cybergeezer on December 3, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Ol’ Hill looks like she’s just had a vinegar enema.

sawbuck on December 3, 2009 at 9:29 AM

I heard both Gates and Hillary and the admiral, and they were ALL on the same page.

The one who apparently is sending mixed messages is Obama.

AnninCA on December 3, 2009 at 9:43 AM

It’s been said many ways and many times above, but damn Hill looks bad.

Lou Budvis on December 3, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Oh gosh… gotta love the American-style punditry and political discourse.

Don’t you guys understand how it really is? It will be a conditions-based withdrawal, but they’d like to put some sort of goal date to strive for, to focus everyone’s efforts. The administration won’t say out loud “if it doesn’t work we’ll stay a bit longer” because the public won’t like that, but that’s how it really is. Those pundits who want to score of some political points by attacking those who make the tough decisions and have to deal with the public are just being rotten. These sort of things are not as simple as committing to a fixed date or to an open ended commitment. It is a mix of both. Why reduce the argument to either/or one of these 2 unworkable scenarios? This reduces the discourse to stupidity, IMO.

AlexB on December 3, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Hilldog’s life has been a living Hell since ’08. First, she loses the nomination despite winning all the big states. Then she becomes the most inconsequential SOS evah. Then she watches as SP makes news and millions off the book tour.

I almost feel sorry for her. Almost.

Lou Budvis on December 3, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Where’s Bill? Somebody talk to Bill. I want his take on the state of our union.

bridgetown on December 3, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Uh, if I say “uh,” uh, it means, uh, I am thinking of a, uh, lie, to uh, cover for this, uh, ninny you chose, uh, over, uh, me.

allstonian on December 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM