Too bad to check: Huckabee “laughed out loud” at complaints about clemencies in 2004?
posted at 10:06 pm on December 2, 2009 by Allahpundit
You have to see it to believe it. The source isn’t some backbiter who claims to have overheard a phone conversation or whatever. It’s one of his own lawyers, responding in official correspondence to a prosecutor who’d politely objected to Huck’s M.O. in granting clemencies. Read it and weep, or LOL, as you prefer. Bear in mind that the whole Wayne Dumond fiasco had already happened by the time this exchange occurred. Dumond was released in 1999, committed the rape in Missouri in 2000, was arrested in 2001, and convicted in 2003, just months before the “laughed out loud” letter was sent.
This goes back to the point I made in the post this afternoon. Never mind Clemmons: Is there nothing he regrets about his overall clemency policy? Even the lulz?
Update: That “laughed out loud” letter reads so badly that I’m searching for alternative explanations. Maybe Herzfeld, the prosecutor, had sent another letter to Huckabee at the time and that was the one Huck’s lawyer was responding to? The proximity of the dates makes that unlikely, but still. It can’t be as bad as this. Can it?
Update: The more I think about it, the more skeptical I get. Would Huckabee really laugh out loud, even in front of his lawyers, given all the grief he’d gotten over Dumond? Would his lawyer really be so stupid as to write something like that in official correspondence regarding something as explosive as clemencies? Huck may have been cavalier about commutations, but he wasn’t politically suicidal. I think.
Update: No, it appears there’s no alternative explanation. Arkansas columnists were writing about this even at the time. Most charitable theory: Huck’s lawyer just made the whole thing up.
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apacalyps is the reason the left gets to laugh at the right. I believe in God, and I believe in Jesus. I don’t care what Allahpundit believes in or what he doesn’t believe in. apacalyps doesn’t believe in evolution. I don’t care if he/she teaches his/her children about it or not. Chances are those kids would end up working a slaughterhouse type job with bibles in their back pockets as they don’t have a proper education. Believe what you want to believe apacalyps. No one cares. You’re the Taliban version of Christianity anyway. Even Jesus thinks you’re a clown……….
adamsmith on December 3, 2009 at 6:50 AM
I hate to change the subject, from the theological discussion about just how far into the pits of hell Allah should be thrown.
But is it just me, but I have seen virtually no mention of this on Fox News with the exception of the O’Reilly thing. Granted, I don’t get to watch Fox all the time, but F&F in the morning and some of the evening shows have said nothing.
Protecting one of their own?
conservnut on December 3, 2009 at 6:55 AM
I haven’t watched a lot of Fox this past week, so I could be wrong, but it does seem like the only coverage has been the softball interviews with O’Reilly and Hannity.
Allahpundit, while we are talking about clemency and such, can we have a Christmas-time open registration so that we can get some of our old friends back?
myrenovations on December 3, 2009 at 7:02 AM
You think it’s just Allah? You’re sure it’s not Mike Huckabee, or you, or me?
“For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.” 1 Cor 5:12-13
“But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, ‘Raca,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.” Matt 5:22
“It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.” ! Tim 1:15
dtestard on December 3, 2009 at 7:15 AM
Good riddance to the national political aspirations of Mike Huck-a-phony. He just another smarmy, big-government solutions kind of guy.
Big government is the problem, not the solution.
exdeadhead on December 3, 2009 at 7:33 AM
I have always disliked Huckles but this could have been a matter of poor judgement rather than actually the LOL, still dooms him though…thankfully.
From the original article in the Arkansas paper…
Deanna on December 3, 2009 at 7:57 AM
haven’t watched a lot of Fox this past week, so I could be wrong, but it does seem like the only coverage has been the softball interviews with O’Reilly and Hannity.
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Hannity is good friends with Huck,he can’t seem to separate himself when circumstances come up such as this and also with Newt.He had them both on his r/show last week,which I could not stomach.
ohiobabe on December 3, 2009 at 8:01 AM
You know, when I read the prosecuter’s letter, I couldn’t stop laughing. It was just super hilarious. I nearly fell out of my chair from laughing so hard. I was laughing so hard I had tears in my eyes./sarc
Goodbye Huckanonsense.
Palin vs. Pawlenty: Get ready to rumble!
WordsMatter on December 3, 2009 at 8:01 AM
Gee, do you think these letters, facts, and newspaper articles contradicting HuckleBerry will correct the whitewash interviews Hanity and O’Reily gave the Huckster.
aigle on December 3, 2009 at 8:19 AM
Hmmmm.
I am seriously disappointed in FoxNews.
memomachine on December 3, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Probably.
The letter from Huck’s attorney reads like something an irritated and overzealous staffer would write, particularly in light of the last sentence.
In all likelihood, Huckabee never saw either letter.
I am not saying this to defend Huckabee: I don’t like the man. He decided that a good way to attract the center was to have one of his peons bash Rush. Nobody that dumb should be our party’s nominee.
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RJGatorEsq. on December 3, 2009 at 8:48 AM
I don’t watch O’Reilly or Hannity because I believe that both of them hold truth to be an elastic commodity where ratings are concerned.
I’m not calling them liars, just situational ethicists…with very big heads.
SKYFOX on December 3, 2009 at 8:49 AM
Well, whatever allows you to sleep at night.
Slublog on December 3, 2009 at 8:53 AM
Why would this surprise anyone? I’ve never liked Huckabuck. I seem to be one of the few that see the deep-seeded mean streak within him.
He’s vile. He’s a liar. He’s dirty. And, to top it off he does it all while hiding behind his persona as a Southern Baptist Preacher (those are the ones you really have to watch).
Virginia Shanahan on December 3, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Hey Allah, why do you have a hard time believing Huck would laugh about this?
Huckabee is the guy who on more than one occassion made a joke about suicide to score cheap political points.
At least two times are documented that I know about.
Elizabetty on December 3, 2009 at 9:16 AM
Another one bites the dust…. Hmmmmm if he’s not in the picture ( and Mitt seems a long shot with the healthcare baggage) that could open up for — Sarah, are you ready to roll?
huskerdiva on December 3, 2009 at 9:24 AM
From the Associated Baptist Press:
Did Huckabee Rely Too Much On Faith In Making Pardon Decisions?
By Bob Allen
Wednesday, December 02, 2009
The Arkansas Leader, a Little Rock-area newspaper that began writing about Huckabee’s commutations in 2004, said the governor appeared to have a penchant for releasing inmates he happened to meet or who had connections to his family as well as for those vouched for by a fellow minister claiming the prisoner had accepted Christ. As Huckabee’s reputation for granting clemency spread, the number of convicts applying increased.
“We never quarreled with his compassion but with his judgment,” the newspaper opined in a Dec. 1 editorial. “If a convict could get the governor’s ear and convince him that he had found Jesus and turned his life around or he could get a preacher to intercede with the governor, he was apt to go free.”
Virginia Shanahan on December 3, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Left hand: Chuckabee and his hisory for rewriting it.
Right hand: Allahpundit and his history of skepticism.
Please. I’m no athiest, but Huck’s an overbearingly rightous opportunist. I find him an embarrassment to the right.
It’s not Allapundit’s fault that Huck’s a loser.
anniekc on December 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM
There have been many actual cases of jailhouse conversions. However, they still had to face the punishment they earned. Huck was completely within his ordination as a Southern Baptist Pastor to personally forgive prisoners who received salvation. However, there is only One who can redeem lives.
kingsjester on December 3, 2009 at 9:34 AM
I don’t want to have a theological debate, but I am going to say this:
1. The only one on earth that can “forgive,” is the victim. In this case, they were usually dead.
2. The only one that can forgive in Heaven is God.
Notice that neither instance relates to Huckabee in any way, though one of his fundamental problems is he believes it does.
Virginia Shanahan on December 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM
The prosecutor issues a standing objection? That’s ridiculous, too.
This is much ado about nothing, in my opinion. Arkansas has a standing procedure, which the prosecutor understands.
I’d have LOL too.
AnninCA on December 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM
The standing objection comes from the fact that Huckabee was NOT following the laws of Arkansas, but why do I suspect that will not matter to you?
Virginia Shanahan on December 3, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Virginia Shanahan on December 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM
By forgive, I meant to say that Huck could accept the fact of the prisoner’s salvation. But, as the Bible says, the prisoner would have to seek forgiveness from those he wronged and face the consequences for his actions. Salvation is not a “get out of jail free” card.
kingsjester on December 3, 2009 at 9:44 AM
While I would prefer to see almost anybody be President instead of Obama, but in Huckabee’s case, I would be concerned about him having the unlimited Presidential power to pardon anyone for anything.
Uniblogger on December 3, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Sorry but – this is exactly the kind of thing that those of us who actually followed the Huckster’s career have been warning about.
Huck only looks good at a national level because he hasn’t received very much scrutiny. Huck was given a pass by the Lame Stream Media last year totally because he acted as a spoiler to Mitt Romney’s campaign – thereby guaranteeing that RINO champ John McCain would take the nomination. I really wish Republicans would stop being so foolish. You can always determine the right candidate by how loudly the LSM protests against them. Who got the lion’s share of criticism during the primaries? Why … it was Mitt Romney of course. Darlying McCain was given a pass on criticism … hell, he was even praised for his “bi-partisanship” and level headed thinking – until he sealed the nomination – at which time they went nuke on him.
Don’t expect these charges against Huck to get much exposure in the LSM … the LSM needs Huck this time around as a potential “Palin Spoiler”. If Huck manages to knock off Palin in the primaries and win the nomination – then they’ll release hounds on him in the general and rip his ass apart.
This is how the game is played folks – how many times do we have to go down this road? The true conservative is always the most hated one by the LSM.
Learn that – and we start winning again.
HondaV65 on December 3, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Translation: “Please ban me, to reinforce my fantasy that I’m God’s internet warrior, being unjustly persecuted for my witness!”
Not today, champ. We’ll just laugh at you instead.
Oh, and you give Christian charity, grace and intellectual rigor (“study to show thyself approved…”) a bad name IMHO.
cs89 on December 3, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Um, Palin better get popular, or Romney better switch religions. Huck was our best shot. Just sayin.
marklmail on December 3, 2009 at 9:49 AM
cs89 on December 3, 2009 at 9:48 AM
A pretty pathetic display indeed. I haven’t seen one like that since Bakker and Swaggart got caught.
kingsjester on December 3, 2009 at 9:50 AM
Oh, and of course Ed and allahpundit have every right to ban the Apocalypse for spamming the Huck threads with his nonsense. From hanging around here a while, I think he’ll have to ramp up the vitriol a bit. So far, he’s only taking small steps in that direction.
If you really want to go out in a blaze of glory, “Go Big or Go Home!”
cs89 on December 3, 2009 at 9:52 AM
I’m so glad Huck crashed and burned in such dramatic fashion. I trust this alleviates any possibility of confusion among voters during the next primary season.
ElectricPhase on December 3, 2009 at 9:52 AM
That’s the thing. Huckabee only pretends conservatism. He puts his judgement over the juries. He seems (I can’t say for sure) think that he has some special way of judging the heart of criminals. It is obvious that Huckabee felt qualified to say a whole lot of people were innocent when juries of their own peers, in real live trials… found them guilty.
Huckabee made himself judge and jury. What is his record if not an example of “judical activism” at the Governer level? That is not conservative! It is not deliberative and wise.
I it is hard not to think his religion colored his view, especially when he consulted the religious authorities before making the judgements he made.
Huckabee showed bad political judgement as well as bad religious judgement.
We have a judical process precisely because one person’s judgement can be so flawed. I think our attempts at justice in this society our pretty good. They should not be over turned in such a arbitrary way. This is the perfect example of how religion can get in the way. It certainly didn’t produce a just outcome in many of the outcomes!
Sometimes if you think justice is wrong you have to leave it for the next life. This system is the best the world has ever seen.
Huckabee is the perfect example of why it is not always wrong to be suspicious of religious motives. Huckabee’s motives are anything but pure.
petunia on December 3, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Remember that in the most charitable case, the lawyer gets the blame.
Who hired Huckabees lawyer?
Why, yes, Huckabee.
Says something about his judgment, no?
There is no win in the charitable case for Schmuckabee.
ajacksonian on December 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM
That’s it? You’re throwing in the towel? I’ve been following the conversation between you and apacalyps from the beginning of this thread and now you’re simply giving up? Come on, don’t quit now!
galvestonian on December 3, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Well, internet wars are fun but I do have to spend some time using this computer to make my employer happy…
Slublog on December 3, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Understood. However I didn’t look at it as a war. Rather a healthy conversation on the bible. The whole conversation had me looking up the bible verses you both were quoting. I consider myself to be a Baptist, but admit I haven’t been a very good Chritian lately.
galvestonian on December 3, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Well, I have to say, if this WAS Huckabee’s council, he was a ignorant one. My first reading of anything somehow gravitates to spelling, grammar and professionalism. This letter has all the earmarks of being written by a high school dropout. Therefore, as with other such questionable “letters and emails” coming to light in these kind of circumstances, I have to consider it trash!
hopefloats on December 3, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Very true.
That’s gonna leave a mark on apacalyps.
Umm…how about we don’t give a damn about a GOP candidate’s religion!?
That is why some people, like Mr. Frum, thinks the GOP is an exclusive, not inclusive, political party because there seems to be a a religious litmus test for a GOP Presidential candidate.
And that is why we’ll lose in 2012 because the GOP electorate will be more concerned about a candidate’s faith than his policies and positions.
Romney had THE best shot for the White House but was derailed by Huckabee and McCain. I hope that doesn’t happen again in 2012 IF Romney decides to run again.
Conservative Samizdat on December 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Maybe in the extremely charitable mood he was apparently in at the time and how much he thinks they’re great people, Huck gave the job to an ex-con.
James on December 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM
I call your one Willie Horton and raise one Willie Horton, so far.
burt on December 3, 2009 at 1:22 PM
What regrets? He already explained that this policy comes from the fact that he is a compassionate and noble human being. It’s the standard excuse for any kind of pro-scumbag policy. This brit judge mumbled the same thing when he released lockberry bomber for oil.
Alexey on December 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Or the NY Times shuffled around some documents to make it look like Huckabee was laughing out loud at this particular letter from the prosecutor.
mizflame98 on December 3, 2009 at 2:42 PM
That’s a lame theory to describe Huckabee’s letter.
The letter is “old” news but its extremely relevant in light of the fact that four police officers are dead.
With four police officers dead, the letter is even MORE appalling and distasteful than it was when it was first released.
Conservative Samizdat on December 3, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Huckabee was on the View and did a great job, actually, in explaining the situation.
Of course, he’s fortunate to have the facts on his side in this case.
AnninCA on December 3, 2009 at 6:50 PM
You’d have to offer more information on that one. In what way?
AnninCA on December 3, 2009 at 6:52 PM
What facts? The douchebag gave Clemency to a violent criminal which allowed him to roam free and kill people.
How are those facts beneficial to Huckabee?
Conservative Samizdat on December 3, 2009 at 8:30 PM
And by the way, if there are any “Christian” conservatives enjoying how I am putting down Allahpundit for treating Mike Huckabee like a second-class citizen, Ed Morrissey and Michelle Malkin are WORSE! Ed Morrissey and Michelle Malkin, and the phony right, and all the Washington elite, are even WORSE than Allahpundit, and WORSE than the Democrats! Allahpundit is terrible, but Ed Morrissey and Michelle Malkin are even WORSE!
apacalyps on December 3, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Thanks for the heads-up. You don’t hear positive news like this about Mike Huckabee at Hot Air.
apacalyps on December 3, 2009 at 9:20 PM
What facts? The douchebag gave Clemency to a violent criminal which allowed him to roam free and kill people.
How are those facts beneficial to Huckabee?
Conservative Samizdat on December 3, 2009 at 8:30 PM
AnninCA on December 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Followed us down the rabbit hole did ya? Glad you found it entertaining and educational. :-)
Are you living in holiness? The Bible says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). Make sure you watch this video, galvestonian. Give it some serious thought. We’re talking about your eternity — heaven or hell. Thanks.
apacalyps on December 3, 2009 at 10:08 PM
I didn’t like doing it though. It pains me to have say things like this. I love people and only wish to help them.
apacalyps on December 3, 2009 at 10:10 PM
This was from an interview in Provo, Utah today. He didn’t criticize huckabee, but was as usual, a decent honorable man.
The former Massachusetts governor was also asked about Mike Huckabee’s decision to commute the sentence of a man who now is accused of shooting police officers.
Romney said he’s sure Huckabee wished he could take that back, but he didn’t want to comment much more on that other then to say his heart went out to the victims’ families.
Bambi on December 3, 2009 at 10:53 PM
“Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned, forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.”
~Luke 6:37~
disillusioned on December 3, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Um, Palin better get popular, or Romney better switch religions. Huck was our best shot. Just sayin.
marklmail on December 3, 2009 at 9:49 AM
I think you have to remember that Romney said he would quit before he ever gave up his religion.
What exactly has he done to make anyone think he is out there to convert the country? He has said nothing that would make anyone think that Salt Lake would run the Presidency. We would never be in this mess. He would always honor and love our troops and not use them as a photo op. It apparently is OK to have a muslim in office, but heaven help us if he happens to be a Mormon. As you know they are out there hacking off heads and blowing up people!
Bambi on December 3, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Oh, please. You’re an idiot. You and Ed and Michelle left out crucial details in the Clemmons story. You told us a completely different story than what REALLY happened. So now we can trust you to be impartial? Give us a break. You will have to excuse us if we don’t believe you.
apacalyps on December 4, 2009 at 1:22 AM
Hi, Bambi. Sorry I didn’t say “hi” to you the other day. Is that true what you said — about… about Mormons? Is this new?
apacalyps on December 4, 2009 at 1:24 AM
I’ll definitely watch the video. I’d watch it now but I can’t open the YouTube site on this computer. Thanks for the link.
galvestonian on December 4, 2009 at 1:28 AM
You are very welcome. Please watch it. I care about you and where you spend eternity. Thanks.
apacalyps on December 4, 2009 at 1:30 AM
No it wasn’t a case of over prosecution. The man was violent BEFORE he was sentenced to 104 years as a teen.
He wasn’t some innocent kid who is having his first brush with criminal courts. He had clearly committed a number of crimes which justified his 100+ year sentence.
Moreover, if he really was being unfairly punished, he could have appealed his case all the way to the United States Supreme Court on the basis of…oh, I don’t know…the 8th Amendment.
Conservative Samizdat on December 4, 2009 at 2:31 AM
Ed Morrissey was more courteous, helpful, timely, concerned about mass murderer Nidal Malik Hasan (the Fort hood Shooter) in his first 24 hrs, than he was about Mike Huckabee and his first 24 hrs. You be the judge.
Ft Hood First 24: Ed Morrissey on Nidal Malik Hasan.
EM: “Blackbird, I said wait for the evidence, which began rolling out in earnest this week. I also said he COULD HAVE BEEN a “murderous lunatic” with “religious delusions,” and that we should wait to see what else comes out. There is a difference.”
Maurice Clemmons first 24: Ed Morrissey on Mike Huckabee:
1. EM: “It’s the second time that a man granted clemency by Mike Huckabee over the objections of prosecutors.”
COMMENT: False. Prosecutors in the Clemmons case did not lodge objection to Huckabee’s actions.
2. EM: “Six weeks after his release, Dumond raped and killed Carol Sue Shields, and was suspected of killing Sara Andrasek.”
COMMENT: What does this have to do with the Clemmons case? This is a smear on Huckabee. FACT: Democratic Governor Jim Guy Tucker commuted the sentence of Dumond. Huckabee DENIED clemency to Dumond.
3. EM: (Huckabee) laid off considerable blame on prosecutors… and claimed that he had little to do with the Dumond parole.
COMMENT: What does this have to do with Clemmons?
4. EM: Huckabee signed the commutation, and he did so over the objections of the (Clemmons) prosecutors.
COMMENT: See Comment 1.
5. EM: Unfortunately for Huckabee, he has two big political problems now.
COMMENT: Much of what Ed has reported is completely wrong. We are getting more facts now. Ed hasn’t updated you either. Yet, he would like to tell you how this will effect the Governors political future. I bet he would.
6. EM: First, clemency decisions go directly to judgment
COMMENT: Another attack without reporting the facts. A kid was sentenced to a 108 year prison term for his actions as a 16 year old youth. Do you see this in his story?
7. EM: In this case, Huckabee personally freed Clemmons, and did so with full knowledge of the risks.
COMMENT: Ed is either ignorant or a liar. The Arkansas Parole Board freed Clemmons — not Huckabee.
8. EM: That is a very legitimate reason to question Huckabee’s judgment
COMMENT: Ed attacks again without reporting facts.
9. EM: (Huckabee’s) attempt to back away from that decision in his statement doesn’t speak well to his sense of responsibility
COMMENT: Factually wrong. Mike Huckabee: I Take Full Responsibility
10. EM: Update: … why Huckabee’s personal strength of charitable action is the reason he will never be President:
COMMENT: Pathetic.
11. EM: In my opinion, Huckabee would never have signed off on the commutations if he really believed that he was releasing dangerous men.
COMMENT: The facts don’t match the fairytale you’re trying to peddle.
12. EM: The problem is that his judgment on that was flawed
COMMENT: In THIS case, Huckabee was not wrong.
13. EM: That goes directly to executive judgment.
COMMENT: In THIS case, Huckabee was not wrong.
14. EM: Update: Andrew Barr has more about reaction from conservative bloggers, myself included, at Politico.
COMMENT: The Politico story was another hit-piece on Huckabee.
SUMMARY: Ed Morrissey urged us to “wait for the evidence” before jumping to conclusions about Fort Hood Shooter Nidal Malik Hasan. Sadly, he didn’t treat Mike Huckabee with the same respect.
apacalyps on December 4, 2009 at 3:19 AM
Ed was more than fair to Mike Huckabee and the Fort Hood shooting.
What was Ed supposed to do when it was immediately confirmed that the suspected Clemmons was, in fact, the same Clemmons that Huckabee pardoned?
Ed was more than fair to Huckabee during Clemmonsgate.
You’re more than just a minority in the belief that Ed treated Huckabee fairly in this matter.
Now, go away Huckbot.
Conservative Samizdat on December 4, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Email Allahpundit, Ed, or Michelle and get them to ban me. I would really appreciate it.
apacalyps on December 4, 2009 at 11:25 PM
<blockquoteTranslation: “Please ban me, to reinforce my fantasy that I’m God’s internet warrior, being unjustly persecuted for my witness!” Not today, champ. We’ll just laugh at you instead. Oh, and you give Christian charity, grace and intellectual rigor (”study to show thyself approved…”) a bad name IMHO.
Seriously… Hey Crusaders, don’t be so hasty to pass over all those scriptures that talk about keeping silent and letting your words be few. You make it harder for my faith to be taken seriously. Please stop.
God bless you.
realityunwound on December 5, 2009 at 2:24 AM
In otherwords, I love my lusting, lying, stealing, and lying to tell the truth, now shh, shush, be quiet, don’t warn the wicked of his way and put a curse on yourself.
apacalyps on December 5, 2009 at 3:41 PM
This is where the link was supposed to go. So here it is. We should warn the wicked of his way. So all you people out there saying, “You can’t judge!” We’re not judging – we’re warning you!
“When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.” Ezekiel 33:8
apacalyps on December 5, 2009 at 3:46 PM
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