A few more thoughts on Obama’s Afghanistan speech

posted at 8:48 am on December 2, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

There has already been plenty of commentary about Barack Obama’s announced plans for expanding the number of US troops in Afghanistan as well as the quality of the speech.  I missed the delivery last night, but read the transcript instead, thanks to a bout of flu that the First Mate has had since the weekend.  In reading the transcript, I was struck by the lack of a sense of mission — with the sole exception of getting out.

First, increasing the troops is the right thing to do, and Obama should be praised for making that decision.  It cuts against almost every precept of Obama’s political clique, and it will cost him on the hard Left.  He came close enough to General Stanley McChrystal’s recommendations to get the commander’s immediate endorsement, and while I’m sure McChrystal would have preferred more troops, he’s in the best position to judge Obama’s decision.  McChrystal could have just kept his mouth shut, after all.

Nor do I think that this means Obama suddenly “owns” the war, as some are saying.  He already increased troop strength significantly earlier this year, which would have been the “ownership” moment politically.  But even that’s specious.  He owned the war when he became Commander in Chief and didn’t end it, as would have been well within his power.  In truth, the fight in Afghanistan has not been  Bush’s war, either, at least not in the sense that Iraq was.  The entire nation, with very few exceptions, demanded military action against the Taliban, and it has been America’s war ever since.

Also, some are criticizing Obama for saying that our economy won’t support both a war and a recovery, and that he has to make tough choices about American resources when deciding on how or whether to fight the war.  He’s right about that.  We do not have an endless supply of money or fighting men and women, and the Commander in Chief has to make exactly those decisions — and they’re never easy choices.  War is an economic issue in many respects, and part of deciding to fight is a calculation about whether the country can afford it.  The British empire went broke almost 90 years ago attempting to hold its parts of the Ottoman Empire, a decision that has led us to where we’re at today, it should be noted.

Obama has decided to fight the war with the proper resourcing, or close to it.  But what exactly is the purpose of the escalation?  There was no sense of purpose in the speech, no grand sense of mission, save one: getting out.  Obama never once mentioned “victory” in the address, nor attempt to define (or even re-define) what he wanted for an outcome.  He talked about human rights, but never mentioned “democracy” except its symbols in Washington and our attempt to bolster it … in Pakistan.  In fact, he mentioned “Vietnam” four times.

In defining our mission’s expiration date as 18 months, Obama has undermined whatever good the counterinsurgency strategy will do.  For COIN to work, forces have to “flood the zone,” but they also have to build trust with locals and encourage better intel.  The only way to do that is to impress on locals the notion that we’re sticking around.  No one will cooperate with American troops if they know we’re bugging out in 18 months.  They’re going to decide to cut the best deals they can with the Taliban, who will simply decide to outlast us.

That doesn’t mean we stick around forever, but it does mean that we don’t tip our hand on our own timetable.  A President can order troops to withdraw at any time, with or without “off-ramps”.  Those decisions about resources, goals, and American resolve aren’t made once but constantly during wars, especially foreign wars.  Having an 18-month timetable may or may not be a mistake, but announcing one is a terrible blunder in wartime.

The only sense of real mission I get from this speech is that we’re going to send 30,000 more troops now so we can start evacuating all of them in the summer of 2011.  It sounds like a slow-motion Dunkirk, and it recalls what Winston Churchill had to say after being congratulated for rescuing the entire British Army and a good portion of the French Army in 1940 from that massive cross-Channel evacuation: “Wars are not won by evacuations.”  And apparently Obama agrees, since he didn’t bother to talk about victory at all, but instead treated it as a massive responsibility that he reluctantly will fulfill.

That’s no way to fight a war.  Under these circumstances, it would be better to start the evacuation now, rather than have any more of our ground troops targeted by the Taliban for a country they’ll soon be running again anyway.

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ObaMao is the iPrez. He makes Biden look like a Mensa member.

Sporty1946 on December 2, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Obama may have sounded more presidential, in this speech, but to the rest of the world, he came off as saying anything that will please his supporters.
So, now, they have less trust in what he says to them.
How is he going to apologize for this?

Cybergeezer on December 2, 2009 at 10:10 AM

good post, Ed. agree

james23 on December 2, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Never before has a speech by President Barack Obama felt as false

The world’s love affair is over.

faraway on December 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM

We do not have an endless supply of money or fighting men and women, and the Commander in Chief has to make exactly those decisions — and they’re never easy choices.
Do you mean, not when they have other plans for the treasury , like bribing senators to vote for destroying whats left of our economy?

LSUMama on December 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Sorry he didn’t spout “freedom” and “democracy” with every other word, or give “grand sense of mission.” He just gave the mission. I find it funny that the right used to continually attack Obama’s speeches for being high on grandeur, but low on substance. Now, Obama gives a war speech very high on substance and you’re all saying it lacked sweeping rhetoric. Not only that, but the substance is almost every the right would want. More proof that Obama will never to anything right in the eyes of some on the right.

Tom_Shipley on December 2, 2009 at 9:14 AM

LOL, that’s not the speech we saw here on Planet Earth, Tom.

You were a lot funnier at Captain’s Quarters.

Del Dolemonte on December 2, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Didn’t see “The Speech”…was watching “Live Free or Die Hard” on the telly. I assume the Messiah did his usual wonderful job reading the teleprompter.

olesparkie on December 2, 2009 at 10:21 AM

I think the first soldiers who might know how stupid the timetable is are the Marines (f) who Ed had a story on not to long ago. I wasn’t too happy about the Marines having to wear the headscarves in their attempts to reach out to the Afghani women but came to the conclusion that if it they were getting good intel then it was worth it and that plenty of humint officers over the years have donned the clothes of their target country in order to do the same. If the Afghani women stop talking to our Marines (f) then Obama has failed the Afghanis, our troops and the US.

journeyintothewhirlwind on December 2, 2009 at 10:22 AM

I I I I I I, me me me me me me me me, my my my my my my my, I I I I I I I I I … am trying to pander to my base and placate those to whom I have promised my loyalty and it’s like, you know, really hard.

Dukehoopsfan on December 2, 2009 at 10:23 AM

I turned it off when he started blaming Bush for everything yet again.

That dog won’t hunt anymore, Mr. President.

rockmom on December 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM

First, increasing the troops is the right thing to do, and Obama should be praised for making that decision.

Er, no. Can you imagine George Washington giving a speech for a battle plan decision on his troops and people saying he deserves to be praised? Praised?

It’s unfortunate that people are getting a mindset that when this president finally makes a good decision we have to heap adultation on him. He was voted in to the highest office in this country and should be acting and making “presidental” decisions. He doesn’t need to be rewarded because of it.

My other complaint is this…

Also, some are criticizing Obama for saying that our economy won’t support both a war and a recovery, and that he has to make tough choices about American resources when deciding on how or whether to fight the war. He’s right about that.

Funny how there’s been an infinite supply of money for Obama’s spending spree but when the talk turns to supporting the war he finally realizes we have finite resources.

The real “tough choice” for Obama would be to support the troops and give them all the tools they need to win in Afghanistan and stop this unprecedented spending. However, he’s not willing to make that tough choice and it’s not lost on the people.

moonsbreath on December 2, 2009 at 10:34 AM

It is ashame, even now, that this President cannot look us in the eye. All this shifty eye movement reading a telepromter.

SmallGovtGuy on December 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM

I agree entirely with Ed.

John E. on December 2, 2009 at 10:39 AM

June 4, 1940, Winston Churchill:
“we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender” for up to 18 months

notagool on December 2, 2009 at 10:49 AM

But what exactly is the purpose of the escalation?

Avoiding the “wimp” label. He wouldn’t have done it if he could have avoided it.

Despite all his efforts, he couldn’t drive down public support fast enough or far enough to provide him cover. But, not to worry…he’s got 18 more months to work on it.

jeanneb on December 2, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Under these circumstances, it would be better to start the evacuation now

Indeed.

Sarah’s right. Americans are “war-weary.”

President Barack Obama may be swimming against the tide of public sentiment in ordering more troops to Afghanistan.
[...]
Andrew Kohut, president of the Pew Center, said the number of Americans who said the U.S. should go its own way and not worry about other countries was higher than during either the Vietnam or Iraq wars. He declined to divulge specific figures, but said a record number of people also said the U.S. should mind its own business and let other countries get on the best they can.

What a bunch of kooks!

Rae on December 2, 2009 at 10:56 AM

We cannot support a war and a recovery in the manner in which we (read: this administration and congress) have been attempting to do so. If their every action were not so antithetical to actual economic recovery or speedy success in the war effort we might have a much brighter outlook on both.

schafkopf on December 2, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Now, Obama gives a war speech very high on substance and you’re all saying it lacked sweeping rhetoric. Not only that, but the substance is almost every the right would want. More proof that Obama will never to anything right in the eyes of some on the right.

Tom_Shipley on December 2, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Wrong on virtually every count.

The speech last night was high on factually inaccurate substance designed to keep this from being “Obama’s war” which is most certainly is by this point. It telegraphed the intent to get the troops out of the region by the time the filthy lying coward has to run for reelection. As to sweeping rhetoric, the bastard used big words but delivered them in such a way that it is clear that he doesn’t believe them. Rhetoric is only effective when the speaker seems to believe what he is saying.

In short, the passionless lecture from the filthy lying coward fell way short of what it should have been. Anybody on the left that feels differently has very low standards and/or low IQ.

highhopes on December 2, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Worrying about 50 Billion or so seems rather strange for a president who is working on his second trillion or so of domestic spending that we mostly didn’t need.

duff65 on December 2, 2009 at 11:23 AM

But what exactly is the purpose of the escalation?

Avoiding the “wimp” label. He wouldn’t have done it if he could have avoided it.

jeanneb on December 2, 2009 at 10:52 AM

It’s not just the wimp label. It’s also credibility in foreign affairs. He couldn’t have just cut-and-run as his radical liberal self wants to do because we’ve made commitments to foreign nations. The rat bastard traitor’s foreign policy under Hillary Clinton has been less than spectacular. He couldn’t afford to irk other nations as he did Eastern Europe when he pulled missile defense to appease his hard-left base.

highhopes on December 2, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Worrying about 50 Billion or so seems rather strange for a president who is working on his second trillion or so of domestic spending that we mostly didn’t need.

duff65 on December 2, 2009 at 11:23 AM

But this is $50B on defense spending from a man who hates the military and would chop off their budget for social programs if he could get away with it. In Obama’s mind, defense dollars are discretionary spending while trillions in new entitlement programs is vital expenditures.

highhopes on December 2, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Obama Declares “We Will Beat the Clock in Afghanistan” http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/12/obama-declares-we-will-beat-clock-in.html

Mervis Winter on December 2, 2009 at 11:47 AM

He once said he didn’t serve in the military bedasue there were no wars going on. I say give him a M16 and send his ass over there…………

bluegrass on December 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I I I I I I, me me me me me me me me, my my my my my my my, I I I I I I I I I …

By the by, has anyone counted the number of times he referred to his wonderful self?

Rae on December 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Sorry he didn’t spout “freedom” and “democracy” with every other word, or give “grand sense of mission.” He just gave the mission. I find it funny that the right used to continually attack Obama’s speeches for being high on grandeur, but low on substance. Now, Obama gives a war speech very high on substance and you’re all saying it lacked sweeping rhetoric. Not only that, but the substance is almost every the right would want. More proof that Obama will never to anything right in the eyes of some on the right.

Actually, he made it quite clear what his speech was all about. It’s Obama’s world: We just have to live with it (at least for the next 3 years or so).

ExUrbanKevin on December 2, 2009 at 11:49 AM

He just gave the mission. I find it funny that the right used to continually attack Obama’s speeches for being high on grandeur, but low on substance. Now, Obama gives a war speech very high on substance and you’re all saying it lacked sweeping rhetoric. Not only that, but the substance is almost every the right would want. More proof that Obama will never to anything right in the eyes of some on the right.

Tom_Shipley on December 2, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Taliban: We have analysed the content and there is no danger. We just have to outlast the infidels for 18 months. No problem.

Abraham Lincoln: If we can’t defeat the South in eighteen months, I’m bringing the troops home.

FDR: If we cannot defeat the Japanese, the Germans, and the Italians in eighteen months, I’m bringing the troops home.

Tom Shipley: It was a brilliant speech — a history redefining speach — the words carefully crafted to strike fear in the hearts of our enemies and to raise the morale of both the home front and the troops on the front lines.

unclesmrgol on December 2, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Ed, I disagree that economics is a factor in all this and Obama is getting it right. The ongoing cost of this war is a miniscule fraction of overall spending. And I’m not sure anyone really believes Obama is making any decision based on costs and fiscal restraint.

chicagojedi on December 2, 2009 at 11:54 AM

My take on things is identical to Sarah Palin’s:

We should be clear, however, that fewer troops mean assuming more risk. Talk of an exit date also risks sending the wrong message. We should be in Afghanistan to win, not to set a timetable for withdrawal that signals a lack of resolve to our friends, and lets our enemies believe they can wait us out. As long as we’re in to win, and as long as troop level decisions are based on conditions on the ground and the advice of our military commanders, I support President Obama’s decision.

unclesmrgol on December 2, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Call it the Obama Taliban 18 Month Hardship Tour to Victory End the War Strategy.

Fletch54 on December 2, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Trusser13 on December 2, 2009 at 9:20 AM

You’re misreading my post.

Fletch54 on December 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Under these circumstances, it would be better to start the evacuation now, rather than have any more of our ground troops targeted by the Taliban for a country they’ll soon be running again anyway.

So like so many have already said, we should abandon Afghanistan rather than fight with one hand tied behind our backs. Is it now OK to say this? I thought you and Allah were against this kind of talk?

Esthier on December 2, 2009 at 12:21 PM

I I I I I I, me me me me me me me me, my my my my my my my, I I I I I I I I I …

By the by, has anyone counted the number of times he referred to his wonderful self?

Rae on December 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM

33 references to self.

donh525 on December 2, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I agree with most of what you say, Cap’n Ed, as usual; except for one detail-the costs…

The hypocrite-in-chief was out of line whinging about the cost of the last 8 years of combined operations in Iraq and Afghanistan costing nearly one trillion dollars. Not because it’s not true, but because he blew that much money in one fell swoop, between the spendulus and the increases in the 2009 budget! The additional cost of the reindircements is a small cost to pay to secure our nation.

“Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute!”

This speech was all about keeping the nustroots energized and electorally active, a not about operational security for our troops nor victory in Afghanistan…

RocketmanBob on December 2, 2009 at 12:40 PM

In my view, the timetable was put in for the people Afghanistan.

And it’s just a strange coincidence that it coincides with reelection! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

become more powerful than the Taliban.

And do so in just one year! Cause really, it’s just that easy!

Because, as you note, we can’t afford to fight an endless war.

No, but we can afford to spend five times as much on… what exactly?

More proof that Obama will never to anything right in the eyes of some on the right.

Tom_Shipley on December 2, 2009 at 9:14 AM

My goodness your grammar was atrocious all through that mangled rant. The Right has continuously supported him on this. It’s the Left that’s pissy about it. It’s the Left, far more than the Right, that’s suddenly wondering where the Obama magic went. The Right knew it was smoke and mirrors all along.

All you’ve proven here is that there is nothing Obama can do that will make you turn on him. That’s sweet.

If the Afghan government is as corrupt as Obama believes it is, then who exactly are we leaving the country for? What force do you believe could possibly be raised in a year that might even stand a chance against the Taliban?

Esthier on December 2, 2009 at 12:42 PM

What little I was able to stomach and watch I did enjoy watching Obama pause at all his applause lines and listen to the silence.

Koa on December 2, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Rush brought up a few good points, as well. Why send them, when a plan for withdrawl is there? Obama is not in this to win, and his lack of saying so, is proof. It’s pointless. It’s not that Obama couldn’t have pleased some on the right, and most are happy about troops being sent, but when you give a withdrawl plan, then it gives the enemy time to lay plans, to work around that withdrawl.

Also, he noted….notice how the withdrawl date given, coincides with time for re-election campaigns?

All in all the speech was dull, and rhetorical. Another slam on the mistakes of Bush, and high praise for Obama. Frankly, I’m sick of his narcissism, and need for attention, and glory. He’s a gutless wonder, and everyone knows it.

capejasmine on December 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM

***
Chili fought a tough war against the SHINING PATH guerrillas–they were a lot like the Taliban. Chili won when they decided to arm all the people in all isolated villages. Every man, woman, and young person got a 12 guage shotgun–with 00 buckshot–or an old but serviceable Mauser bolt action rifle. And instructions in how to shoot them.
***
The Chilean Army chased the bad guys out of the villages and killed them as best they could. And the armed populace kept them out and killed them when the shot up remainder tried to take over the villages again.
***
Maybe this could work–any woman with a desire to live free would be a good recruit.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on December 2, 2009 at 1:15 PM

It was horribly delivered. He was defensive, had that little narcissistic chin jutted up in the air, and I felt like I was being scolded by him. He looked angry.

Ed, you are off the mark in saying McChrystal “endorsed” it. Anyone who’s been in the military will tell you that flag officers are the biggest political beasts out there–what is he supposed to say? “This sucks?” There’s a mentality in the officer corps of “can do” when given a mission. If given a crock of sh*t, they will call it a vessel of fertilizer which makes them strong.

Nobody seems to be talking about how this is going to further hurt the morale of our troops. Imagine being sent over there, seeing a buddy killed, getting wounded, and then we leave and all of those sacrifices were for nothing! I mean, really! What is the point?

Pull out now. This a$$hole-in-chief doesn’t want to fight, but is willing to let our country’s finest suffer so he can play politics. He is a coward, and our troops are not his little toy to be used as a photo-op.

Un-be-lievable.

Special K on December 2, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Democrat Underground’s head Looney, William Rivers Pitt, called Barry’s speech “the best speech George W. Bush ever gave.”

http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/2009/12/pied-piper-pitt-blames-bush-for-obama.html

On Tuesday night, President Barack Obama delivered the best speech George W. Bush ever gave in his life. Mr. Bush, if he was watching, would have recognized virtually every facet of Obama’s speech, for it was the Bush administration that hammered out the template used by Mr. Obama to deliver the news that he is doubling down on the war in Afghanistan.

Obama’s eloquence was far superior to anything Mr. Bush could have ever hoped to achieve – for the first time in the 21st century, the United States has a president who can pronounce “nuclear” correctly – but at the end of the day, it was the same script all over again.

-snip-

It took exactly 130 words for Mr. Obama to invoke the attacks of September 11, which is just about how long it usually took Mr. Bush whenever he unleashed one of his linguistic muggings upon the populace.

Of course, Pitt has absolutely no problem with the fact that Democrat Nobel Peace Prizer winner Jimmy Carter pronounces the word “nuclear” the exact same way Chimpy does!

Del Dolemonte on December 2, 2009 at 1:19 PM

I I I I I I, me me me me me me me me, my my my my my my my, I I I I I I I I I …

By the by, has anyone counted the number of times he referred to his wonderful self?

Rae on December 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM

He’s not a narcissist, he’s a Beatles fan.

misterpeasea on December 2, 2009 at 1:44 PM

From today’s Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking:

Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. Fifty-two percent (52%) disapprove.

If anyone was looking for a bounce, the ball just hit Barry’s foot and rolled off the court.

Doorgunner on December 2, 2009 at 2:17 PM

One more reason I’m glad I don’t have TV anymore.
Nothing gets prempted for me bcs of his speeches!

Badger40 on December 2, 2009 at 2:19 PM

You do not go into war with any objective other than winning. He stated no objective, just a duration of troop escalation.

Therefore it makes no sense and if you are going to withdraw troops in 2011 with no accomplished objective, then don’t send more troops and begin your “Change We Can Believe In” retreat now. You can’t win a war if you are not committed to winning. Obama is committed to nothing other than his political future. Epic fail.

Obama is a failure as Commander in Chief. The Cadets saw that last night.

enoughalready on December 2, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Giving a timetable tells the Afghan people that they must own their country and their security. If they don’t want to live under Taliban rule, it’s up to them. We’re going to help them, big time, in defeating/weakening the Taliban, but at the end of the day, they have to step up as well.

Tom_Shipley on December 2, 2009 at 9:14 AM

I was just thinking here while reading along, that, seems to me that this timetable is like a burp in the wind in the lifetime of the problems that exist with Afghanistan/Pakistan and the Taliban, and, the “people” in that region living with the Taliban…

I mean by this that they’ve actually created things the way they are there, Taliban included. Giving them 18 months or whatever is not going to change anything, it’s not incentive for them to change themselves and their conditions. It just won’t happen.

Lourdes on December 2, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Unclejimbo wasn’t happy.

Video

Yakko77 on December 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Giving a timetable tells the Afghan people that they must own their country and their security. If they don’t want to live under Taliban rule, it’s up to them. We’re going to help them, big time, in defeating/weakening the Taliban, but at the end of the day, they have to step up as well.

Tom_Shipley on December 2, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Obama has literally just made yet another boring “Constitutional Law” course outline…so out of touch with the actual Constitution and apparently the law entirely, but he’s got that course outline ready and he’s expecting “people” to do what he outlines in the timeframe he’s outlined it.

It’s so out of touch with reality, it’s just so out of touch with reality.

Lourdes on December 2, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Ed,

There is a fine line in a Commander speaking up and being insubordinate. My bonefides, 22 years active duty, are intact and can speak to this subject. Leaders spend many hours debating when a commander should speak out in an effort to save lives. Do not judge a commander with only a civilian perspective. “You” never had to write the letter to a grieving parent, spouse, or family member. Why he right to do so, who knows? I do know you definitely do not have the right to judge him.

usarmyretired on December 2, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Fred Thompson, Obama’s Speech was a big fail consisting of three subset speeches:
1. Winston Churchill
2. Mrs. Churchill
3. Weenie

Evidently, there’s more missing from Obama’s education than others admit. He never learned the English Nursery Rhymes. We’ve already seen Obama precariously positioning America as Humpty Dumpty. Now Obama has chosen to triple the power for himself as he role plays The Grand Old Duke of York who had ten thousand men, and marched them up to the top of the hill and marched them down again. [All together:] NOW when you’re up you’re up. And when you’re down you’re down. And when you’re only half-way up, you’re neither up nor down!

maverick muse on December 2, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Why Was he right to do so, who knows?

usarmyretired on December 2, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Obama

Commanders in Afghanistan repeatedly asked for support to deal with the reemergence of the Taliban, but these reinforcements did not arrive.”

Rumsfeld to Obama: “You Lie”

“Such a bald misstatement, at least as it pertains to the period I served as secretary of defense, deserves a response,” Rumsfeld said in a written statement. “I am not aware of a single request of that nature between 2001 and 2006.”

faraway on December 2, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Can’t think of anyone this hour — in the whole world — who is impressed with Obama’s speech from last night.

Maybe, well, maybe the Taliban, Russia, Ahmadinajad, Fidel and Hugo.

Lourdes on December 2, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Here’s what Obama could have said last night:

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people, in their righteous might, will win through to absolute victory.

With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph, so help us God.

Noooo – we get some presidential imposter saying the fight will go 18 more months – cause we can’t afford to fight anyone after that. Just hang on you terrorists – and it will all work out.

Question: weren’t we bogged down in a depression for 10 years before Pearl Harbor was attacked?
Unemployment rates:
1931 15.9%
1932 23.6%
1933 24.9%
1934 21.7%
1935 20.1%
1936 16.9%
1937 14.3%
1938 19.0%
1939 17.2%
1940 14.6%

Guess victory and security have time and money limits in 2009. I’m glad it wasn’t that way in 1941…..

Oopsdaisy on December 2, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. Fifty-two percent (52%) disapprove.

If anyone was looking for a bounce, the ball just hit Barry’s foot and rolled off the court.

Doorgunner on December 2, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Did you see the racial breakdowns? They’re kind of ugly.

Count to 10 on December 2, 2009 at 2:46 PM

faraway on December 2, 2009 at 2:35 PM

So, basically, as no such requests happened before 2006, the Obama claim is that Afghanistan was underfunded when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress? When he was a Senator?

Good grief.

Count to 10 on December 2, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Whoooa!!! What a baldfaced, unadulterated LIE!

marybel on December 2, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Whoa! I could almost make out the word “boy” in there somewhere. :D

Axeman on December 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I missed the delivery last night, but read the transcript instead…

You didn’t miss much. I honestly almost fell asleep and was doing the head-bob thing several times during the last half of the speech.

As for your analysis of the speech, I tend to agree. Sending more troops = good. Timetable = bad, VERY BAD!

Yakko77 on December 2, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Ed, you agree that Obama’s Grand Old Duke of York decision is defeatist and wasteful in the grossest sense.

I remind everyone of GWBush’s complaint following 9/11 that following Clinton’s cuts to our military AND OUR INTELLIGENCE, we had a severe problem in the ground collecting necessary information deemed highly reliable. Evidently, today in Afghanistan, America is worse off than ever, given Obama’s and Pelosi’s destruction of our intelligence community. We don’t have reliable intelligence in Afghanistan, and the Taliban DOES. We don’t have the resources to defeat the Taliban because that requires the entire annihilation of hundreds of thousands of Afghanis and Pakistanis who are with the Taliban.

“McChrystal could have just kept his mouth shut, after all.”

Did you just blurt out your inner self? Get well soon.

Sorry, but that “could have” just doesn’t make sense at all; and you used it to conclude your thought/paragraph. I just don’t follow you there. Are you saying that McChrystal, to STFU and suit your premise that he is an Obama apologist, should never have submitted his report that his Commander in Chief ordered?

Obama has decided to fight the war with the proper resourcing, or close to it.

The blatant truth of the matter is that Bush via TARP and creating the National Treasury Czar as he exited the White House, and now Obama has also splurged our entire national treasury on porkulous bail-out stimulus fraud. Obama has absolutely NO intention of diverting ANY tax funds to our military because he wants his ObamaCare that will finish killing us off, literally after economically. Hence, I differ with your conclusion that Obama has decided to properly resource our national defense. NATIONAL DEFENSE, aka victory over terrorism, is the #1 Constitutional requirement of our government, not funding fraudulent flu campaigns. Assenting to Obama’s budget only sells America further down China’s Yellow River of no economic return.

While wars cost money, they create REAL jobs and promote REAL domestic industrial manufacturing while REALLY defending our national security. If we’re going down, go down fighting! So long as we’re not buying our materials from China, but supplying our own, it is not impossible for the USA to finance its own national defense: RESCIND ALL TAX FUNDS FROM GLOBAL WARMING FRAUD and re-appropriate the funds to protect the USA from Muslim terrorists who should be given military tribunals and executed when found guilty.

The REAL point of contention underlying everything else is that PC is destroying our Constitutional Republic and defeating our national security at home and abroad. Force Obama and Congress to repeal PC.

Impeach Fraud.

A Vietnam Vet gold coin winner on today’s Fred Thompson Show stated the obvious about Obama’s “decision”. In order to excuse his announced retreat in advance, this President is knowingly putting our military in harms way with rules of engagement that prevent them from a fair fight for survival against the Taliban. As our troops suffer tragic losses due to Obama’s PC military protocol, Obama is counting on America turning against the war. This veteran did not take the thought to its conclusion, that the termination of our most valiant young American adults facilitates his domestic agenda, having annihilated his political opposition in advance. Cutting short life spans prevents our troops from becoming veterans, though they are brought home. Before anyone objects with a PC knee jerk reflex, think twice: Obama’s domestic agenda annihilates conservative political opposition.

Impeach Treason

maverick muse on December 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM

/I’m fighting the damned flu virus, too.

maverick muse on December 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Lawrence Eagleberger’s interview with Fred Thompson, take it in.

maverick muse on December 2, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Intelligence specialist Dr. George Friedman, CEO of Stratfor, interview with Fred Thompson.

maverick muse on December 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Ed seems to now agree with John Bolton. We are not even trying to win, so we fill the only other role avaialbe in this play. We lose. By default.

MikeA on December 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Nor do I think that this means Obama suddenly “owns” the war, as some are saying.

It’s not the buildup that means Obama owns the war… it’s the deadline.

malclave on December 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Lourdes on December 2, 2009 at 2:35 PM

I guess AQ is still in party mode too. They have been told by the leader of the free world that if they can hold off for 18 months we’ll hand them the region on a platter. It’s enough to make a Muslim believe in Christmas.

MikeA on December 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Go team!

Michael Rivero summarizes Obama’s Afghanistan war surge in the context of the 2,000-plus-year history of empires trying to conquer that country:

“Just one more surge!” — The Indus

“Just one more surge!” — The Kushan

“Just one more surge!” — The Scythians

“Just one more surge!” — The Parthians

“Just one more surge!” — The Saffarid

“Just one more surge!” — The Ghaznavid

“Just one more surge!” — The Ghorid

“Just one more surge!” — The Timurid

“Just one more surge!” — The Hotaki

“Just one more surge!” — The Durrani

“Just one more surge!” — The Aryan

“Just one more surge!” — The Persians

“Just one more surge!” — The Sassanids

“Just one more surge!” — The Hephthalites

“Just one more surge!” — The Huns

“Just one more surge!” — The Mughals

“Just one more surge!” — The Arabs

“Just one more surge!” — The Turkic

“Just one more surge!” — The Hazaras

“Just one more surge!” — The Khwarezmids

“Just one more surge!” — The Mongols

“Just one more surge!” — The British

“Just one more surge!” — The British (again)

“Just one more surge!” — The British (Yet again)

“Just one more surge!” — The USSR

“Just one more surge!” — The United States

Rae on December 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM

I am sorry Ed, I must disagree….the hard left will come back to him, they always do. He made a decision that lopped off 25% of the ADVERTISED request via Mcrystal ala 40k. He, Mcrystal had asked for 60-80K as the ‘Low risk’ , ‘high impact’ option. The WH gutted that to 40k on the spot , pronto, and the msm happily pocketed that and went along.

He has neither guaranteed us a decent chance at success, or god forbid the word he cannot speak, Victory nor has he decided to wrap it up. I am a dedicated Con, but a Buckley con. I would have backed his play either way. THIS is , well just confirms my earlier suspicions, he really has no heft as a executive, probably in any capacity. This non-decision is what un-dynamic moribund bean counters do at moribund going no where co’s., try not to offend anyone so take the middle road.

But in this instance he will be putting troops in the way of bullets for a cause he is not the slightest bit invested in, ( I am not sure what hes invested in emotionally frankly) other than how it plays out politically. It would have taken more courage right or wrong for him to actually like MAKE a decision as to pulling out for instance.

This was all him, Axelrod Rahm no one can or could rescue him from this decision, the first with no comebacks or covers as to evading sole responsibility and he punted, well, no kidding….He is a moral coward, and truly the term empty flannel suite , well suites him.

imperator on December 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Michael Rivero summarizes Obama’s Afghanistan war surge in the context of the 2,000-plus-year history of empires trying to conquer that country:

“Just one more surge!” — The Indus

“Just one more surge!” — The Kushan

“Just one more surge!” — The Scythians

“Just one more surge!” — The Parthians

“Just one more surge!” — The Saffarid

“Just one more surge!” — The Ghaznavid

“Just one more surge!” — The Ghorid

“Just one more surge!” — The Timurid

“Just one more surge!” — The Hotaki

“Just one more surge!” — The Durrani

“Just one more surge!” — The Aryan

“Just one more surge!” — The Persians

“Just one more surge!” — The Sassanids

“Just one more surge!” — The Hephthalites

“Just one more surge!” — The Huns

“Just one more surge!” — The Mughals

“Just one more surge!” — The Arabs

“Just one more surge!” — The Turkic

“Just one more surge!” — The Hazaras

“Just one more surge!” — The Khwarezmids

“Just one more surge!” — The Mongols

“Just one more surge!” — The British

“Just one more surge!” — The British (again)

“Just one more surge!” — The British (Yet again)

“Just one more surge!” — The USSR

“Just one more surge!” — The United States

Uhm Alexander…. The Macedonians?

imperator on December 2, 2009 at 3:58 PM

“SOMEWHERE IN KENYA A VILLAGE IS MISSING ITS IDIOT”

I saw that painted onto the back window of a truck camper at the gas station last week. I LOL’d! Probably just an angry white man lookin’ for some payback ’cause he didn’t like what happened during the civil rights movement…

Mr_Magoo on December 2, 2009 at 4:05 PM

First, increasing the troops is the right thing to do, and Obama should be praised for making that decision.

There were those who largely averted their eyes to situation, strategy, objectives and value received v. cost and praised Lyndon Baines Johnson merely for escalating troop levels again. How did that work out?

MB4 on December 2, 2009 at 4:14 PM

LOL, Democrat Russ Feingold is on CNN’s afternoon cartoon show, and just told Wolfman Blitz that al Qaeda is everywhere except for Afghanistan.

I’m sure he still believes they were never in Iraq before 2003, too. What a tool.

Del Dolemonte on December 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM

From Time magazine today:

Joint U.S.-Afghan operations are plagued by mistrust, with the living quarters of allied and Afghan troops separated by walls, razor wire, guarded gates and machine-gun nests. “Currently, coalition forces eat, sleep and play in separate spaces from the people they are trying to train,” U.S. Marine Captain Jason Moore noted in a report earlier this year for the Corps’ Command and Staff College at Quantico, Va.

Why?

In part, that’s because Taliban sympathizers in the Afghan military have shot and killed U.S. troops.

That’s why.

But Captain Moore is troubled by the message walls, razor wire and machine-gun nests are sending:

“Intentional or not, it conveys a sense of distrust, hostility and disrespect to their hosts.”

I give up.
- Diana West

The same mentality that resulted in the Fort Hood massacre is alive and well in Afghanistan.

MB4 on December 2, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Uhm Alexander…. The Macedonians?

imperator on December 2, 2009 at 3:58 PM

The implication of the list touted by Rae is that it’s impossible to conquer Afghanistan; such is far from the case, since most of the armies in the list actually succeeded, with many of the entries in the list belonging to successor empires to the original conquerors, which did not have to use force of arms to maintain hegemony over Afghanistan. That they didn’t stay reveals that an Obama mindset about dithering is a recurring historical theme.

unclesmrgol on December 2, 2009 at 4:23 PM

LOL, Democrat Russ Feingold is on CNN’s afternoon cartoon show, and just told Wolfman Blitz that al Qaeda is everywhere except for Afghanistan.

Del Dolemonte on December 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM

They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
If you should see him, please do give a yell!
That demmed elusive OBL

They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere
Oh, Binny, how the Special Ops do implore you
Simply to come out from hiding in a mosque or in a cab or under your bed
With all your hiding
It’s a chore to smash your head!

They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere!
He gives the Special Ops nothing but frustration
Sink me! He’s a spoilsport
Each and every demmed capture
He cuts short

They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
Is he in Pakistan or Londonistan or even in Dearbornistan?
One thing we know for sure
He ain’t likely in Afghanistan!

PercyB on December 2, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Somewhere in some cave in the mountains of Afghanistan, Bin Laden and his merry band of bloodthirsty murdering scum are partying like it is 2012!

pilamaye on December 2, 2009 at 4:44 PM

“Just one more surge!” — The Indus

Indus Civilization was not an empire, just a set of loosely held villages/cities. History Fail.

“Just one more surge!” — The Kushan

The Kushan empire was a successful empire in Afghanistan lasting for hundreds of years

“Just one more surge!” — The Scythians

Scythians settled in Afghanistan so no failure there

nyx on December 2, 2009 at 4:50 PM


ObaMao is the iPrez. He makes Biden look like a Mensa member.

Sporty1946 on December 2, 2009 at 10:09 AM

That summed it up perfectly. LOL

sinsing on December 2, 2009 at 4:51 PM

“Just one more surge!” — The Parthians

Northern Part of Afghanistan has a persian influence because of the Parthians. They stayed for a couple of hundred years so no failure.

“Just one more surge!” — The Saffavid

There are many reasons that tell us why Afghanistan was not conquered by them and none of them pertaining to the surge.

“Just one more surge!” — The Ghaznavid

Ghaznavid was the reigning government in Afghanistan composed primarily of Afghans. It built gardens and civilization. It attacked other countries surrounding it. The empire lasted after its founder Mohammad Ghazni.

“Just one more surge!” — The Ghori

Another self government in Afghanistan equated to foreign occupation. The mind boggles.

nyx on December 2, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Also, some are criticizing Obama for saying that our economy won’t support both a war and a recovery, and that he has to make tough choices about American resources when deciding on how or whether to fight the war. He’s right about that. We do not have an endless supply of money or fighting men and women, and the Commander in Chief has to make exactly those decisions — and they’re never easy choices.

We aren’t saying anything about any endless supply of money. What we’re saying is that the tremendous debt which we have is because of his actions and the Democrat Congress’s actions–all of whom knew we had a couple of wars to fight when they took office and before they began to drain the US Treasury and the pockets of the American public.

All of which means that Obama has a lot of freakin nerve even bringing the subject up. He’s the one who seems to think that the money supply is endless.

Actually he doesn’t. He knows that the endgame is to break the USA.

baldilocks on December 2, 2009 at 4:53 PM

“Just one more surge!” — The Timurid

Timurid failed, that I grant.

“Just one more surge!” — The Aryan

Stupid. Afghanistan was called “Gandhara” because of Aryan settlement and influence. It was never under direct Aryan control. That was just reserved for the Gangetic valley.

“Just one more surge!” — The Persians

As I said, Parthians influenced Northern Afghanistan which is why a substantial number of Afghans speak Dari, a variant of Persian.

“Just one more surge!” — The Huns

They were just an nomadic tribe. No empire here.

“Just one more surge!” — The Mughals

The Mughals were more interested on conquering the Deccan of India than Afghanistan. So no surge.

“Just one more surge!” — The Arabs

They managed to convert Afghanistan so they were reasonably successful.

“Just one more surge!” — The Hazaras

Hazaras are the legacy of the Mongol empire. They never had an empire as far as I know.

nyx on December 2, 2009 at 5:01 PM

“Just one more surge!” — The British

They created the modern state of Afghanistan so they were bloody successful. They were also three Anglo-Afghan wars that the British finally won. So their surge was successful.

one more surge!” — The USSR

Just because Russia lost the war does not mean America would. Russo-Japanese war anyone?

“Just one more surge!” — The United States

As long as the traitor is in office, our fate is uncertain.

nyx on December 2, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Sorry, I have to bombard this thread refuting this idiot. My apologies to you all.

nyx on December 2, 2009 at 5:06 PM

The British empire went broke almost 90 years ago attempting to hold its parts of the Ottoman Empire, a decision that has led us to where we’re at today, it should be noted.

Ninety Years ago? If you were educated in the UK, you would believe that WWII had more to do with with the collapse of the British Empire than anything that happened in the 1920s. Some of them believed that FDRs administration was owned by the great Depression and his domestic socialist agenda. This prevented a more proactive engagement of the Nazis by the US. See The Rise and Fall of The British Empire, by Lawrence James.

I agree with them but it makes me very unpopular with Anglophile conservatives or those who blamed all Britain’s troubles on the postwar socialism that successfully invaded the island.

IlikedAUH2O on December 2, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Sorry. Anglophile = Anglophobe

And a US leader occupied with an economic downturn and socialistic goals turning away from international responsibilities? Hhhhmmmm…

IlikedAUH2O on December 2, 2009 at 5:22 PM

For those in swaddling clothes who were not around when LBJ was ginning this mess up in SEA, I’ll tell you how it ends: A UH1N lands on the American Embassy in Kabul and picks up the last few remaining souls while the Taliban enter the ground floor and shoot up the joint.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

VoyskaPVO on December 2, 2009 at 5:35 PM

That’s no way to fight a war. Under these circumstances, it would be better to start the evacuation now, rather than have any more of our ground troops targeted by the Taliban for a country they’ll soon be running again anyway.

Bingo.

Harpazo on December 2, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Here is an entertaining source in support of the proposition that FDR undermined the British Empire.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/27871/warlords/

There, thanks.

IlikedAUH2O on December 2, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Wonder how that Nobel Peace Prize to Obama is going to be introduced next week?

When was the last time anyone won the Nobel Peace Prize and a week prior to getting the Peace award the winner of the Peace Prize announced he was sending more soldiers to battle in an expanding, deadly war?

And if Obama is still getting the award after announcing a big surge in troops, then where is Bush`s Nobel Peace Prize?

albill on December 2, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Travesty.

ronsfi on December 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM

VoyskaPVO–100% correct.
Bambi treats every issue as though its a burden thrust upon him out of the blue.When he was campaigning didn’t he know that the economy was tanking,health care was expensive,
and we were involved in two wars?Perhaps Katie Couric should have asked him”What do you read?”

DDT on December 2, 2009 at 6:07 PM

That’s no way to fight a war. Under these circumstances, it would be better to start the evacuation now, rather than have any more of our ground troops targeted by the Taliban for a country they’ll soon be running again anyway.

Agreed. Not one more American life unless we make a commitment to winning this war. Obama is obviously uncomfortable with the concept of winning ….. anything … anytime …. anywhere. Therefore, why would we waste more precious lives to enable him to play up to his advocates on the left?

I can picture Mujibar sitting in a cave somewhere rubbing his hands with glee knowing now that the country will be his in a year and a half. All he and his ilk have to do is sit on their hands and wait us out. In the meantime, the cadets at West Point looked like they knew that they were going to be used as pawns in this game with their lives potentially used up to placate Move On and other liberal scumbags.

Damn, Obama is at the very least a coward and is possibly a traitor. He does not deserve anyone’s praise for this decision. Either declare we are in it for as long as it takes to win, or get out.

yobobbyb on December 2, 2009 at 6:23 PM

I think Obama handled it badly, but it could have been worse. That is the only semi good thing I can think to say about it.

But the gratuitous Bush bashing and butt covering and triangulation just reminds us that Obama is basically a gutless politician.

Terrye on December 2, 2009 at 6:31 PM

The only thing that he can do that is right and just is to submit his resignation.

Sporty1946 on December 2, 2009 at 9:49 AM

I’d be happy if he just left without a forwarding address. I don’t have to have a formal process.

Blacksmith8 on December 2, 2009 at 6:32 PM

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