Open thread: Afghanistan
posted at 7:32 pm on December 1, 2009 by Allahpundit
8 p.m. ET all around the dial. Believe it or not, he was still “tinkering” with his speech (and the troop levels?) as recently as an hour ago, but there is good news to report regarding that timetable. Behold the loophole:
“The 30,000 additional troops that I am announcing tonight will deploy in the first part of 2010 – the fastest pace possible – so that they can target the insurgency and secure key population centers. They will increase our ability to train competent Afghan Security Forces, and to partner with them so that more Afghans can get into the fight. And they will help create the conditions for the United States to transfer responsibility to the Afghans.”
“Because this is an international effort, I have asked that our commitment be joined by contributions from our allies. Some have already provided additional troops, and we are confident that there will be further contributions in the days and weeks ahead. Our friends have fought and bled and died alongside us in Afghanistan. Now, we must come together to end this war successfully. For what’s at stake is not simply a test of NATO’s credibility – what’s at stake is the security of our Allies, and the common security of the world.”
“Taken together, these additional American and international troops will allow us to accelerate handing over responsibility to Afghan forces, and allow us to begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011. Just as we have done in Iraq, we will execute this transition responsibly, taking into account conditions on the ground. We will continue to advise and assist Afghanistan’s Security Forces to ensure that they can succeed over the long haul. But it will be clear to the Afghan government – and, more importantly, to the Afghan people – that they will ultimately be responsible for their own country.”
If the first new troops are cycling in next year and the first old troops are cycling out by July 2011, isn’t that less a three-year commitment than a one-year commitment? Watch to see if he offers any projections for how many troops will be there circa 2012 or 2013; just because withdrawal will begin in 18 months to appease his base doesn’t mean it’ll proceed quickly. Either way, I still don’t see how the timetable helps him politically. He’ll benefit a little from starting the pullout before the next presidential campaign, but if the mission’s failed by then and the Taliban’s advancing on Kabul, pulling out won’t save him.
Something else to watch for: How forcefully will Obama make the moral case for staying? Time’s right that doing so would boost public support, but it would also paint him into a corner insofar as he can’t disavow that logic later if conditions deteriorate. If we’re there to protect Afghan women, how can we leave so long as they continue to be threatened by the Taliban? We can’t, which is why The One won’t do much more than pay lip service to humanitarian concerns. The last thing he wants is to be forced into Hillary-esque jawdroppers like this come 2012.
While we wait, via Gabriel Malor, here’s the White House’s resident comic relief lapsing into total self-parody by once again overusing their favorite self-flattering rhetorical crutch.









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It sounds like the speech is getting panned all over. I managed to be busy.
AnninCA on December 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Rove, it took us 50 days to overthrow the Taliban when we went in, took Obama 80 days to come up with his plan.
bluemarlin on December 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM
There was a time he looked at the camera when he actually stuck out his lower lip and moped like a kid…. WTF
ted c on December 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM
And you were always nice about Pres. Bush, right?
Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM
His strangest line was that he has witnessed war FIRST HAND by signing letters and reviewing caskets.
I would beg to differ with you sir. I believe the names in those letters and brave souls in those caskets would as well.
tatersalad on December 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Like turkeys are known to do.
thomasaur on December 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM
YOU SUCK!!
Itchee Dryback on December 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM
I think we can call tonight another -5%+ on his ratings.
petefrt on December 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Mean but accurate :-b
fogw on December 1, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Repeated here for those that missed it:
Here’s to hoping Michelle busts his Cadillac’s rear window in with POTUS.
*drinks*
Ugly on December 1, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Haters, keep on hating …
Monkei on December 1, 2009 at 8:46 PM
And vegetables keep on vegetating.
kingsjester on December 1, 2009 at 8:48 PM
This is a man who clearly, absolutely and positively cannot understand his audience….
ted c on December 1, 2009 at 8:48 PM
You can’t tell me there weren’t some cadets sitting behind him envisioning what a target would look like strapped to his back!
pilamaye on December 1, 2009 at 8:48 PM
My screen is all blurry and my face is numb. It that the way it’s supposed to feel?
MikeA on December 1, 2009 at 8:48 PM
And douchebags keep on douching.
Grow Fins on December 1, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Hey look, it’s the opposite of a cadet.
fogw on December 1, 2009 at 8:49 PM
I’ll drink to that!
39% here we come!
ted c on December 1, 2009 at 8:49 PM
*Unless you live in China or Saudi Arabia…
…and those places are evil because of
their crappy leadersBu-u-u-u-u-u-u-ush.ScottMcC on December 1, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Nope, just channelling Neville Chamberlain
Mini-14 on December 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Keep your private hygene to yourself.
thomasaur on December 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Or the mirror.
MikeA on December 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM
And douchebags keep on douching.
Grow Fins on December 1, 2009 at 8:49 PM
And bloviators keep on bloviating.
kingsjester on December 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM
dude, check yo glass?!!! does it smell like koolaid?
ted c on December 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM
He did give a road to victory. All the Taliban has to do is hold on for 18 months and then the country is all yours.
rotaryu on December 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Looky here boys, the trolls are back for the Obama circle jerk. Anyone want to venture a guess who the pivot man was this time?
milwife88 on December 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM
And then over the next 7 years the Taliban took back over 80 percent of the country … no wonder any sane person wants out of this cesspool.
Monkei on December 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM
The liberals on MSNBC are claiming that Obama had a rough crowd b/c the army doesn’t want to fight the war.
lavell12 on December 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM
tatersalad on December 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM
is THAT what he meant by that?! I couldnt figure out what war he thought he had been in
ginaswo on December 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Olbermann currently interviewing Al Qaeda dude who works for WaPo.
Check it out.
fogw on December 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Oreilly just woke up!!!!!!!
Nelsa on December 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Question of the day…
Most of us just heard the speech. Can anyone remember what Obowma said and what his ‘New and Improved Guaranteed to Succeed’ military plan is after waiting 80 days?
Or can you only remember a compilation of quotes from other speeches from his never ending campaign that used to get him applause, but not so much so tonight?
Seven Percent Solution on December 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM
I betcha fins has greasy flippers…?
ted c on December 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM
QOTD
mike_NC9 on December 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM
You are right, what do you think we were watching tonight. He kept on and on and on……………..
bluemarlin on December 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM
And douchebags keep on douching.
Grow Fins on December 1, 2009 at 8:49 PM
And LIARS keep in LYING!
Now go wipe your chin.
milwife88 on December 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM
O’Reilly is even being, er, forcefully unpleased. Heh. Has he been Palinized? :-D
SouthernGent on December 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM
I’m sorry… but I just can’t bring myself to watch this turd in a tie using our wonderful military as a backdrop for his photo op/Bush-bash session.
ErinF on December 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM
i don’t know why but I thought for once Obama was going to give a good speech on foreign policy. boy was i wrong, his heart isn’t in it.
lavell12 on December 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Speaking of which…
AUINSC on December 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM
In times like this I wonder, what would Sarah do about this war … besides quit? Wait, that actually would be a great decision. You are right, we need someone with a will to quit in the White House. Palin 2012.
Monkei on December 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Buuuuurn!
Chuck Schick on December 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM
wow, some of the CNN folks are not happy with this speech…
cmsinaz on December 1, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Right about noe he is wishing he had not brought himself to West Point either.
bluemarlin on December 1, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Exactly.
Our men and women in uniform deserve a CIC that respects them and honors them, their country and their sacrifice.
This CIC is not that person
gophergirl on December 1, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Well it’s obvious you didn’t watch, he didn’t bash Bush! Why should he, it is an understood fact.
Monkei on December 1, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Fornicating with your goat will do that to your vaj-vaj, Stinky…
Or should your new name be ‘Vinegar and Water’?
Seven Percent Solution on December 1, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Keep on wondering Captain Stupid.
The rest of us already know what Sarah would do.
fogw on December 1, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Doesn’t CNN have that stupid Australian who doesn’t know anything about war on?
lavell12 on December 1, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Blitzer just called Linsey Graham a “key republican”. I cant stop laughing…Lindsey is up next..I am forcing myself to watch CNN for the segment..
Nelsa on December 1, 2009 at 8:54 PM
You know, it would have been nice to see him actually show some emotion about the entire thing. He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about out troops or anything else.
I didn’t think it was possible for me to hate him any more, but seriously, FUBO.
Vera on December 1, 2009 at 8:54 PM
They don’t love me, Gibbsy……
HornetSting on December 1, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Hmmmmmmm…..
Here’s a poll from DKos:
IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 8:54 PM
When you depise 3/4 of the people you are “leading” – makes it hard to fake it even for Dr. Utopia.
gophergirl on December 1, 2009 at 8:54 PM
I don’t believe BHO will be making another speech at West Point again, ever
Willie on December 1, 2009 at 8:54 PM
He looked right at me, oh golly, he looked at me, mein furrier, I can walk!
Dhuka on December 1, 2009 at 8:55 PM
If it is in our interest to keep the Taliban and Al Queda from controlling Afghanistan today, it will still be in our interest 18 months from now. Announcing an end date just gives would be allies pause and the Taliban hope they can wait us out. Giving the General only 30K intead of the 40 asked for also does not appear determination.
The one thing I hoped for that hasn’t been discussed is the lousy pay Afghan soldiers get. You can make more working for the enemy. If we want to build the Afghan army, pay them enough that everyone will want to join up with us. If you cannot buy Afghanistan, at least be willing to pay the highest rent.
KW64 on December 1, 2009 at 8:55 PM
I see the trolls finally showed up……I hope they hid their bottles of lotion from mommy…
HornetSting on December 1, 2009 at 8:55 PM
It’s obvious you didn’t watch or listen to the speech…
Or you have your head so far up your a%s that you you can’t hear anything.
I’m going for the latter…
Seven Percent Solution on December 1, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Forget Jimmy Carter, we have LBJ number 2.
lavell12 on December 1, 2009 at 8:55 PM
depise – despise
Sorry I should quit typing obviously
gophergirl on December 1, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Got a little creeped out when he was talking about National Unity…
Sharr on December 1, 2009 at 8:56 PM
So I presume that you believe he is going that route out of a belief that it is what’s best for US interests, correct?
orange on December 1, 2009 at 8:56 PM
He is finished, Olbermann isn’t happy with him.
lavell12 on December 1, 2009 at 8:56 PM
After tonight, he may try to close down West Point next.
kingsjester on December 1, 2009 at 8:57 PM
And he won’t be landing on a aircraft carrier in a flight suit with a banner behind him anytime soon! Ah those were the good ole days, I miss being able to make fun of Bush. I wish he was still President.
Monkei on December 1, 2009 at 8:57 PM
I guess you missed the part about taking the focus off of Afghanistan and sending 160,000 troops into Iraq.
Jerk.
fogw on December 1, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Overheard as the cadets were filing out….
“Hey, did you hear anything in that speech worth fighting for?”
“Nope, did you?”
Commanders.
ted c on December 1, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Maybe you should put your head up my ass?
Monkei on December 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Would it have been better if she stayed governor and simply campaign for president for two years like Obama did when he got to the senate?
ThePrez on December 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM
I missed it, I had more important things to, like reading bedtime stories to my kids.
How many times did the asshat say it was Boooosh’s fault?
belad on December 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Can you imagine FDR saying, “Well, look, we’re going into North Africa to fight Nazis then later we’ll hit Europe. We’ve got 18 months to do it, then we’re coming home.”
Well, Obama finally did it. He gave a speech even worse than Carter’s malaise speech. Man, he just really, really sucks.
Glad I didn’t vote for the pr***.
Special K on December 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM
MonkeyFinsChucks……..you know he sucked :) Thats 1 for youz guyz.
Itchee Dryback on December 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Craven speech, outlining a craven policy, delivered by a craven man, in a place of honor that has now been sullied by his presence.
elduende on December 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Was that a made up fact? Jerk off?
Monkei on December 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM
He does carry a grudge.
bluemarlin on December 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM
… I wish he was still President.
Monkei on December 1, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Finally…something we can agree on.
kingsjester on December 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM
I’m sure they will. You liberals have proven repeatedly that you’re incapable of anything else.
malclave on December 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM
You aren’t the only one – I think most of America wishes he was still President too.
gophergirl on December 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Yeah, if we’ve maxxed out our ability to defend ourselves, isn’t it about time for all hell to break loose in Korea, Taiwan, Eastern Europe and Gaza?
Chris_Balsz on December 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM
begala just called this the powell doctrine…
cmsinaz on December 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Obama’s 18 month war??
TN Mom on December 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM
The poppies feel a tingle up their stems.
waldensianspirit on December 1, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Hugh Hewitt just said the Chris Matthews referred to the speech venue, Westpoint, as the enemy camp. What a jerk.
Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 9:00 PM
the trolls bring up Palin and Bush – two private citizens – yet they say NOTHING about the meat of the speech from moobs……classy and original
Ris4victory on December 1, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Prediction: Tomorrow’s newspapers – The speech will be mentioned in section B, Tiger Woods front page above the fold.
diogenes on December 1, 2009 at 9:00 PM
What I can’t even begin to imagine is anyone in the GOP supporting FDR if he was president today. Or anyone with a “D” after their name.
Monkei on December 1, 2009 at 9:00 PM
I went to watch the speech but all I saw was reruns on every channel.
Blame Bush
“Let me be clear…”
“There are those who say…”
“America is not perfect…”
*I still can’t stop my eyes from moving back and forth reading the center teleprompter, while trying to seem sincere….*
reaganaut on December 1, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Proves you were the one not listening.
fogw on December 1, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Watch out Seven, someone’s got a crush and wants to do sexy time to you.
Monica on December 1, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Too crowded, besides, if I wanted to see genital warts, I’ll look them up on the Internet.
Seven Percent Solution on December 1, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Yeah, he’s got too many things that take priority over acknowledging the work of the military.
When’s that Oprah special?
malclave on December 1, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Dude you are making fun of Bush. It sure beats defending Bent Over Barry.
Chuck Schick on December 1, 2009 at 9:01 PM
We need that quote!!
thomasaur on December 1, 2009 at 9:01 PM
And you’re partial to enema bags, as that’s what doctors had to use to induce your birth.
Patrick S on December 1, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Alex Castellanos just said that Obama’s speech was excellent.
With RINO’s like Alex, let’s fold our tent and go home.
Wow!
technopeasant on December 1, 2009 at 9:02 PM
well enough from the America haters … got to move on and watch TV, there has to be some reality tv show on …
Monkei on December 1, 2009 at 9:02 PM
It’s too bad that I have to go to youtube for leadership and inspiration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-qxo9NP2M&feature=related
ted c on December 1, 2009 at 9:02 PM
BinLaden is in PAKISTAN. Hussein is attacking the Wrong Nation. The Chickenhawk in Chief will just bomb villages and create more terrorists. Terrorizing woman and children in the dead of night.
Dennis D on December 1, 2009 at 9:02 PM
He only likes to talk about foreign policy when he can claim to be a Citizen of the World. Wrong audience for that.
Wethal on December 1, 2009 at 9:02 PM
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