Open thread: Afghanistan
posted at 7:32 pm on December 1, 2009 by Allahpundit
8 p.m. ET all around the dial. Believe it or not, he was still “tinkering” with his speech (and the troop levels?) as recently as an hour ago, but there is good news to report regarding that timetable. Behold the loophole:
“The 30,000 additional troops that I am announcing tonight will deploy in the first part of 2010 – the fastest pace possible – so that they can target the insurgency and secure key population centers. They will increase our ability to train competent Afghan Security Forces, and to partner with them so that more Afghans can get into the fight. And they will help create the conditions for the United States to transfer responsibility to the Afghans.”
“Because this is an international effort, I have asked that our commitment be joined by contributions from our allies. Some have already provided additional troops, and we are confident that there will be further contributions in the days and weeks ahead. Our friends have fought and bled and died alongside us in Afghanistan. Now, we must come together to end this war successfully. For what’s at stake is not simply a test of NATO’s credibility – what’s at stake is the security of our Allies, and the common security of the world.”
“Taken together, these additional American and international troops will allow us to accelerate handing over responsibility to Afghan forces, and allow us to begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011. Just as we have done in Iraq, we will execute this transition responsibly, taking into account conditions on the ground. We will continue to advise and assist Afghanistan’s Security Forces to ensure that they can succeed over the long haul. But it will be clear to the Afghan government – and, more importantly, to the Afghan people – that they will ultimately be responsible for their own country.”
If the first new troops are cycling in next year and the first old troops are cycling out by July 2011, isn’t that less a three-year commitment than a one-year commitment? Watch to see if he offers any projections for how many troops will be there circa 2012 or 2013; just because withdrawal will begin in 18 months to appease his base doesn’t mean it’ll proceed quickly. Either way, I still don’t see how the timetable helps him politically. He’ll benefit a little from starting the pullout before the next presidential campaign, but if the mission’s failed by then and the Taliban’s advancing on Kabul, pulling out won’t save him.
Something else to watch for: How forcefully will Obama make the moral case for staying? Time’s right that doing so would boost public support, but it would also paint him into a corner insofar as he can’t disavow that logic later if conditions deteriorate. If we’re there to protect Afghan women, how can we leave so long as they continue to be threatened by the Taliban? We can’t, which is why The One won’t do much more than pay lip service to humanitarian concerns. The last thing he wants is to be forced into Hillary-esque jawdroppers like this come 2012.
While we wait, via Gabriel Malor, here’s the White House’s resident comic relief lapsing into total self-parody by once again overusing their favorite self-flattering rhetorical crutch.









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Do we get dinner first?
Chuck Schick on December 1, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Lindsey is up on CNN
Nelsa on December 1, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Amen. I love GWB-each day he gets better.
congma on December 1, 2009 at 9:02 PM
LOL +100
Indian Outlaw on December 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Figured out why he wouldn’t use the Oval Office for this speech (and probably any other speech): he needs to use two TOTUSes and doIng the look left, look right, look left, look right while seated at his desk would make him look like a total ass.
ya2daup on December 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM
He’d rather go look at caskets in Dover, dragging the press corp along for a photo op.
Ogabe is the Champion Scum Bag.
fogw on December 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Should I send it to the tips email. I wasn’t watching, I was listening to Hugh Hewitt. He said the Matthew need to deliver an apology.
Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM
3 months for this?
Starlink on December 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Try Iran.
waldensianspirit on December 1, 2009 at 9:04 PM
please do
thomasaur on December 1, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Whatever highhopes said, make mine a double.
Obama’s a dick.
justltl on December 1, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Whio is Matthew?
technopeasant on December 1, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Kucinich makes Obama look like a genius.
franksalterego on December 1, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Now CNN is questioning a “time line”? I thought that is what they wanted. Perhaps they see that the O is not helping them to meet their goals for viewership…
Nelsa on December 1, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Can you imagine how the south would have cheered if the Civil War had a pre-conditioned timeline??
Dear Troops,
Win, lose, or draw, we are ending this Civil War in 18 months.
Your pal,
Abe
TN Mom on December 1, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Uhh…How is he going to defeat the bad guys, train the afghanis and fix the border regions in Pah keee staahn
IN 18 MONTHS???
It’s not going to happen.
Pray for our troops.
bridgetown on December 1, 2009 at 9:06 PM
I don,t want to sound dumb but can anyone please tell me what the hell did the one say tonight? It sounded like a campaign speech on one hand then he seamed to say our military can,t win this.Then he said something about the future of the world is at stake but never mind after the summer of 2011 we are leaving anyway.I am confused.
thmcbb on December 1, 2009 at 9:06 PM
It sounded like a TERM PAPER !!!!!!!!!!!!!
bridgetown on December 1, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Don’t forget the Nobel Peace Prize.
yoda on December 1, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Wow he lost CNN.
elduende on December 1, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Bend Over Barry couldn’t shut down a building in Guantanamo in a year.
In 18 months we’ll be having the same conversation.
Chuck Schick on December 1, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Video of Matthews here.
Repurblican on December 1, 2009 at 9:08 PM
This speech by Obama reminds me of a story involving President Lincoln and Gen. McClellan. After bragging on a battle in a letter to his CIC, McClellan ended it with, “Headquarters Saddle”. President Lincoln turned to one of his aides and said, “Poor McClellan. He has his headquarters where his hindquarters ought to be.”
kingsjester on December 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Good grief, I am sorry. Chris Matthews. I already email Allahpundit.
Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM
My only question after that speech that told me nothing but that there were going to be 30K more troops doing the same thing that the current troops are doing is this: Did he grant amnesty to the Corps of Cadets?
King of the Britons on December 1, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Matthews needs to be thrown off air…
totally uncalled for…
cmsinaz on December 1, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Paging Colin Powell… still hyped about your guy?
beatcanvas on December 1, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Wow, very fast. Thanks.
Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 9:10 PM
“This President”. “This White House.”, as opposed to “The President” or “The White House.”.
All is different, all is new.
unclesmrgol on December 1, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Drudge is so clever: “Obama’s War”. True enough. Brilliant.
SouthernGent on December 1, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Actually, most Republicans will admit that FDR was decent as a commander-in-chief (the last Democratic man that had any testosterone). . . it was his disastrous handling of the Great Depression that sucked.
I’m at the point now where I think we should just pull our troops out of Afghanistan. Obama proved he just doesn’t want to fight to win. What’s the point? We send 30k men over, some get killed, we pull out after 18 months, the Taliban comes back to power . . . and what did our boys die for? Pull out, and when we get attacked again, Obama has to do the honorable thing and commit seppuku.
Special K on December 1, 2009 at 9:11 PM
How I love the computer literate crowd that inhabits this place.
thomasaur on December 1, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Repurblican on December 1, 2009 at 9:08 PM
That is just as bad as when he said that “foregin correspondents” need to be sent into the mid west becasue they voted for Bush in 2004.
milwife88 on December 1, 2009 at 9:12 PM
I can only say that I am glad that I have had a sufficient amount of eggnog and whiskey to have enabled me to endure that moron’s speech. What a waste of space–between those ears–that is…I miss Bush…
lovingmyUSA on December 1, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Wow, and there were 0 comments when I first opened this article however long ago that was.
GW_SS-Delta on December 1, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Matthews should be banned!!!! What a JERK.
TN Mom on December 1, 2009 at 9:13 PM
That just REALLY PISSED ME OFF.
CHRIS MATTHEWS is a TOTAL, GRADE A …IDIOT
bridgetown on December 1, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Make sure you wipe your chin before going to bed….
HornetSting on December 1, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Actually I think that goes to Truman.
Sarjex on December 1, 2009 at 9:14 PM
FIRST!
Bishop on December 1, 2009 at 9:14 PM
I’m at the point now where I think we should just pull our troops out of Afghanistan. Obama proved he just doesn’t want to fight to win. What’s the point? We send 30k men over, some get killed, we pull out after 18 months, the Taliban comes back to power . . . and what did our boys die for? Pull out, and when we get attacked again, Obama has to do the honorable thing and commit seppuku.
Grow Fins on December 1, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Well well now we know MSNBC thinks our military is the enemy .I guess they think the terrorist are our friends.
thmcbb on December 1, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Fixed
Are you a moron or do you just play one on the internets?
Grow Fins on December 1, 2009 at 9:15 PM
I’d take partial exception with that. FDR was OK as CINC but the war was really waged by the professionals. I’d also suggest that Harry S. Truman’s decision to drop atomic weapons was a pretty gutsy act.
highhopes on December 1, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Maybe you should pull The Ones head out of your ass so he can formulate some coherent thoughts.
bluemarlin on December 1, 2009 at 9:16 PM
You forgot “I, as commander in chief…”
RedbonePro on December 1, 2009 at 9:17 PM
From the person who can’t figure out the quote button.
Chuck Schick on December 1, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Grow Fins on December 1, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Barack Hussein Bush.
fogw on December 1, 2009 at 9:18 PM
So why the bitching? You should be like a pig in clover.
Grow Fins on December 1, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Amen, as I have mentioned before I still think computers are magic. We have some world class talents here at HotAir.
Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 9:19 PM
AP’s got a new thread up (plus video) on Matthew’s “enemy” remark
IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 9:20 PM
I thought you liked GWB?
Grow Fins on December 1, 2009 at 9:20 PM
After listening to the speech, I couldn’t help wondering where I’ve heard all this before.
Then I realized, it was a patchwork of Bush speeches.
Saltysam on December 1, 2009 at 9:21 PM
I will not watch another of Obama’s speeches unless it is his resignation. Thanks to you HA commenters for braving the liars speech and commenting.
farright on December 1, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Good point, but I’m sure had FDR lived, he would’ve used the nukes. Afterall, he approved the Manhattan Project which built it. Must really chap Democrats’ collective butts to know that the only human being in the world to use a nuke was a Democrat.
*chuckle*
Special K on December 1, 2009 at 9:22 PM
The weed isn’t helping you in this case.
AUINSC on December 1, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Yup.
Now your boy’s adopted his war strategies …. except for the surrendering part. Bush was in it to win.
fogw on December 1, 2009 at 9:23 PM
obowlow To the West Point cadets:
“You guys make great cannon fodder…”
tigerlily on December 1, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Yeah, internment camps and nuclear genocide. Liberals own it. :)
ThePrez on December 1, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Obama Declares “We Will Beat the Clock in Afghanistan” http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/12/obama-declares-we-will-beat-clock-in.html
Mervis Winter on December 1, 2009 at 9:25 PM
From the LA Times transcript:
“We will go forward with the confidence that right makes might”
Did I hear correctly or did Mr. Public Speaker flub that line?
BohicaTwentyTwo on December 1, 2009 at 9:27 PM
probably spelled it wrong. but i worked hard today and i am tired.
ThePrez on December 1, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Gibbs comment from the clip “I think this administration has taken the fight to Al Qaeda unlike any that we’ve ever seen” is a pile of horse s*#t! If one had been asleep, you’d think that the preceeding 7 years of the Bush administration wiping out Al Qaeda in Iraq and capturing or killing many of the top operatives in Afganistan had never happend.
This guy is such a liar! I wish the press would start calling it like they see it. (i.e. “Excuse me Mr. Gibbs, but what would you call the fight that was taken to Al Qaeda prior to this administration?” or “Mr. Gibbs, when will you and this administration stop embelishing your achievements and start placing credit where credit is due?”). A few pointed questions like that at every press conference or interview would be wonderful.
glennbo on December 1, 2009 at 9:28 PM
I didn’t hear the speech. After lifting weights for 45 minutes, I hopped on a treadmill and watched a bit of it live while running… All I could decipher from what little I read was he got a dig in about “diverting the necessary resources to Iraq” and later started a lot of sentences with “I” (like “I went to Walter Reed” “I was there when the caskets came home…” etc.).
I didn’t want to ruin a great workout so I switched on a rerun of L&O SVU on my little monitor.
I really loathe this coward.
D2Boston on December 1, 2009 at 9:29 PM
It’s fast and furious tonight, no points off for spelling miscues.
thomasaur on December 1, 2009 at 9:29 PM
There’s a global warming thread in need of a name-calling meltdown when you’re done being a jackass here.
Chuck Schick on December 1, 2009 at 9:29 PM
USMA Class Mottos
2013 Defending The Dream
2012 For More Than Ourselves
2011 For Freedom We Fight
2010 Loyal To The End
2009 For Your Freedom And Mine
2008 No Mission Too Great
2007 Always Remember Never Surrender
2006 Never Falter Never Quit
2005 Keeping Freedom Alive
2004 For Country And Corps
2003 Protectors of the Free
2002 Pride In All We Do
2001 Till Duty Is Done
2000 With Honor In Hand
1999 With Duty In Mind
1998 Duty Will Not Wait
-
What’s your motto Mr. Obama?
diogenes on December 1, 2009 at 9:30 PM
From what I have read most of the suppression and abuse of Afghan women is at the hands of their own schooled in Islam husbands and male family members, whether those people are Taliban or not.
MB4 on December 1, 2009 at 9:31 PM
1996 For Freedom We Risk
or so I have heard…
BohicaTwentyTwo on December 1, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Good one!
Liberal fascists. Yep. Goldberg hit that nail on the head.
Special K on December 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM
With Doody In Mind.
Josiah on December 1, 2009 at 9:34 PM
Gergen, what a tool
praise the Obama administration and bash the Bush adminstration…
cmsinaz on December 1, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Not to be too much of a history geek here but that isn’t necessarily a given. Up until the very end FDR/HST were getting advice that they shouldn’t do it, including the argument that it might start a chain reaction that would destroy the planet.
highhopes on December 1, 2009 at 9:35 PM
B.O. addresssed our enemy from West Point tonight. He let the jihadis know if they can hold on for a mere 18 months longer than they win.
paulsur on December 1, 2009 at 9:36 PM
If the mission, whatever that is, has failed by then it will be 10 or 11 years, with 2 troop escalations to boot, in Afghanistan and I think most Americans will be saying something like “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results”.
MB4 on December 1, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Why can’t we do what we did at the beginning of the war…just a do over?
tomas on December 1, 2009 at 9:37 PM
“Let me be clear”
fogw on December 1, 2009 at 9:38 PM
“Unprecedented!”
Special K on December 1, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Is it Bush’s fault that Obama has big ears too?
bbh on December 1, 2009 at 9:39 PM
I’m sure it’s been mentioned, but I cannot believe he went before our men and women cadets at West Point, acknowledged that many of them would be going to the war he was talking about, and then proceeded to talk about the “cost” of the war in terms of dollars.
I don’t have words to say how I feel about that.
jdp629 on December 1, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Obama voter Ann Althouse
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/12/we-must-deny-al-qaeda-safe-haven-we.html
elduende on December 1, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Obama is a tool of mass destruction.
Joe Caps on December 1, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Circa 2049:
Just about
ten twenty thirtyforty years ago I set out on Obama’s Afghanistan road,Seekin’ my fame and glory, lookin’ to turn the
POSmullah’s hemorrhoid into a pot of gold.Well, things got bad, and things got worse, I guess you will know the tune.
Oh ! lord, stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan yet again.
Flew in yet again on a big plane, I hope I’ll be in one piece flyin out when I go.
I was yet again just passin’ through, must now be yet another
5 10 1520 tours or more.Running out of time and patience ["Not to complain but whatever the hell happened to my youth?!"], looks like they took still more of my friends.
Oh ! lord, Im stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan yet again.
The Hope and Change man in the White House said yet again I was on my way.
Somewhere I lost his connection, he ran out of words to say.
I came into Kabul, yet another one year stand, looks like the plans fell through yet again
Oh ! lord, stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan yet again.
Mmmm…
If I only had a woman ["Hey Jack, do you remember what a woman is?"], for evry Obama tour Ive done.
And evry time Ive had to fight while cheered on by many CINO’s Obama and his many successors sat back home oblivious to Islam and power drunk.
You know, Id like to catch the next plane back to where Im from.
Oh ! lord, Im stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan yet again.
Oh ! lord, Im stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan yet again.
- CCR Soldier Boy
MB4 on December 1, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Neocon warmonger and nobel peace prize winner..Barack Obama..orders more US troops in to fight a useless war. What a surprise.
Doesn’t matter that we’re bankrupt nor how many US troops die..just as long as we keep our “ally” happy and destroy all their enemies for them on our dime with our blood, barack is a happy man and gets to remain president for a little longer.
MaximusConfessor on December 1, 2009 at 9:46 PM
He was droning on and on to the point I was actually nodding off but I caught him saying, “Let me be clear…” at least twice.
Yakko77 on December 1, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Noticeably absent tonight: a bow….
ted c on December 1, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Pull out at the last minute. I wish Obama Sr. had followed that advice.
MikeA on December 1, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I noticed during the speech that Obama didn’t look too good.
His head looked kind of bony or skinny or something.
justltl on December 1, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Best summation of this speech I’ve seen yet:
http://charliefoxtrotblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/obama-afghanistan-speech-word-count.html
AUINSC on December 1, 2009 at 9:51 PM
I don’t believe that forcefully is the right word. I think it would be disingenuously.
The rules murdering our troops:
When enemy action kills our troops, it’s unfortunate. When our own moral fecklessness murders those in uniform, it’s unforgivable.
In Afghanistan, our leaders are complicit in the death of each soldier, Marine or Navy corpsman who falls because politically correct rules of engagement shield our enemies.
Mission-focused, but morally oblivious, Gen. Stan McChrystal conformed to the Obama Way of War by imposing rules of engagement that could have been concocted by Code Pink:
* Unless our troops in combat are absolutely certain that no civilians are present, they’re denied artillery or air support.
* If any civilians appear where we meet the Taliban, our troops are to “break contact” — to retreat.
MB4 on December 1, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Mr. Obama, do I look like Mrs. Obama?
royzer on December 1, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Go in with an exit strategy in mind?
Rightwingguy on December 1, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Then why you try and make sex to me!
Rightwingguy on December 1, 2009 at 10:01 PM
royzer on December 1, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Then why you try and make sex to me!
Rightwingguy on December 1, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Rightwingguy: Get a room you two!!(I kid):)
canopfor on December 1, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Sarah would only be half way through her speech due to the constant interruptions of applause.
jimmy2shoes on December 1, 2009 at 10:06 PM
What about some humanitarian concerns for Americans?
Pre-occupied with protection of our own forces, we have operated in a manner that distances us — physically and psychologically — from the people we seek to protect.
- General McChrystal (from his COMISAF assessment of the war in Afghanistan)
It is already painfully obvious to all, especially those on the ground, that before June we were blowing crap up and providing Air and Arty when needed and now; American lives are inferior to Afghan by our own rules and the UN has prosecutors in Kabul, gleaning after-action-reports looking for evidence they can use to prosecute Marines and Soldiers.
What General McChrystal, Sec Def Gates and President Obama need to remember is that they are sworn by oath to defend this country and our people – not protect the civilian population of another country or rebuild their country with our tax dollars and the blood of our children!
- John Bernard
Self-Sacrificial Lambs:
Today’s column is, at root, an expression of horror at the extent to which pandering dhimmitude characterizes our military strategy in Afghanistan. We inferior-minded infidels will do anything, it seems, to win the approval of the Islamic masses. We will sink endless billions into their country; build endless infrastructure; provide state-of-the-art security; train untrainable armies and police forces, and on and on. Now, according to our new commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, in our effort to “protect [the Afghan people] from everything that can hurt them,” we will even ask our troops to think twice under fire. All of this we will do in the effort to win Afghan “hearts and minds,” which, our geniuses (West Point ’76, many of them) have decided, will win this overnight, as one general recently put it. “Winning hearts and minds” — awful phrase with unfortunate connotations — just means making prehistorically-mired Afghans like us a little better than their babaric co-religionists the Taliban, whose idea of a hearts and minds offensive is to behead, maim, extort, blow up, and assassinate in the name of Allah.
Well, some people got it, some people don’t, I guess. Too bad we don’t know when to quit. But not just quit — reconfigure our defenses against expansionist Islam. Big difference.
MB4 on December 1, 2009 at 10:10 PM
And a Fool of Crass
Instruction.
OkieDoc on December 1, 2009 at 10:15 PM
There were definitely no standing ovations during his speech. Is that because they weren’t supposed to?
scalleywag on December 1, 2009 at 10:32 PM
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