Huckabee: It’s disgusting that bloggers are criticizing me instead of grieving for those cops; Update: Huck rips prosecutor
posted at 4:55 pm on December 1, 2009 by Allahpundit
He’s only thinking of the fallen officers, you see.
“It really does show how sick our society has become that people are more concerned about a campaign three years from now than those grieving families in Washington,” Huckabee said during an interview on Joe Scarborough’s radio show. “It is disgusting, but people use anything as a political weapon.”…
“If he were a white kid from an upper middle class family he would have gotten a lawyer and some counseling,” Huckabee said. “But because he was a young black kid he got 108 years.”…
“It’s a lot easier to be a pundit or a commentator or a blogger than to govern the state and have to make tough decisions,” he said. “People are talking about this from a political standpoint, but what they need to be asking is how did the system break down?”
Kudos to Huck, I guess, for stopping short of calling his critics racist too. In fairness, the clemency in Clemmons’s case wasn’t indefensible at the time. He was a kid, he’d already served 10 years, he had a judge on his side, and at the end of the day, the reduced sentence imposed by Huckabee was still a stiff 47 years. It was the parole board who sprung him, not Huck. Toss in the point about disparate justice based on class and race and the fact that the prosecutor who’s objecting so much now mysteriously had nothing to say at the time and there’s at least an argument to be made that a reduced sentence was in order. It’s his dumb luck that out of the hundreds and hundreds of pardons and commutations he granted that gave him his rep for being soft on crime, the cop-killer in the bunch turns out to be someone who made a semi-compelling appeal. But it is what it is. Like Geraghty says:
It takes a particular bravado for a man in Huckabee’s circumstances to contend that his critics are the ones who should hang their heads in shame; some people might find letting violent criminals go free early out of a misguided sense that they’ve changed their ways a clearer reflection of a sick society.
Indeed. Just like it takes a particular bravado to blame “the system” now when the head of that system felt obliged to peremptorily overrule its lawful judgments again and again and again.
For your viewing pleasure, here’s Anderson Cooper grilling the judge who recommended clemency for Clemmons to Huckabee. Things get interesting about halfway in. Exit question: Now that we know Huck’s not running in 2012 — and he surely isn’t, or else he wouldn’t be wagging his finger at people about this — does Pawlenty’s critique seem a tad gratuitous?
Update: Hot off the presses at Human Events, Huckabee lays out the facts of Clemmons’s clemency, accepts responsibility for his part in it, then unloads on the prosecutor:
During the legally required 30 day public comment period before action on the case was complete, there were no objections registered by my office by any authorities, despite claims of the local prosecutor that he “was afraid something like this would happen.” Interestingly, if he was so afraid, then he has failed to explain why in 2004 when Clemmons was back in prison for a parole violation, his office failed to pursue charges and in fact dropped them, allowing Clemmons to go free, move to Washington, and for reasons beyond me, continue to avoid extradition back to Arkansas or be kept by Washington authorities as he displayed signs of psychotic behavior. I am responsible for the commutation in 2000. I would not have commuted his sentence in 2004 after the re-arrest or in any of the years following. I can explain my decision in 2000. I cannot explain the decision of the very vocal prosecutor in Little Rock who seems to avoid answering the questions as to why he didn’t keep Clemmons in prison in 2004 or get him brought back to Arkansas for his repeated parole violations.
No religious considerations to it either, he claims:
Religion had nothing to do with the commutation. It’s been erroneously expressed that my own personal faith or the claims of faith of the inmate factored into my decision. That is simply not true and nothing in the record even suggests it. The reasons were straightforward — a unanimous recommendation from the board, support from a trial judge and no objections from officials in a case that involved a 16 year old sentenced to a term that was exponentially longer than similar cases and certainly longer than had he been white, upper middle class, and represented by effective counsel who would have clearly objected to the sentencing. (His race, economic status, or education level are not excuses for his behavior because many people of color who are uneducated and living in abject poverty are civil, trustworthy, and honest to a fault and many well-educated, wealthy, white people are dirtbags — think Bernie Madoff).
Update: Alex Castellanos, a former Romney man and now a senior media guy at the RNC, says it’s all over for Huck.










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She’s a troll. Logic does not work on her. Try following your own advise and you might have more success.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Very nice. Don’t attack the person, attack the person he loves. You never cease to ooze class.
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Thank you! It certainly was an appropriate response to his comment to me.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:28 PM
*mops up spit beer*
Ohhh…that was too good. You made my night. Hee hee.
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Oh, shut up. You reap what you sow. You went around for months insulting me while I continued to ignore you.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:29 PM
I hope this is it for the huckster
kangjie on December 1, 2009 at 6:31 PM
This is not JUST Huckabee’s fault, this is the ENTIRE system’s fault.
How on earth is a CONVICTED FELON allowed to walk free after assaulting a police officer and raping a child? Before that, Clemmons had violated his parole in Arkansas and received NOTHING!
nelsonknows on December 1, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Time for a Beer Summit.
portlandon on December 1, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Forgot to add: She really is a psycho.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Show me where I attacked your personal characteristics and I’ll take it under consideration. Otherwise, f*ck off.
jaime on December 1, 2009 at 6:33 PM
My guess is you didn’t catch that many, if this is any indication of your typical argument in a courtroom. But hey, do go on insulting anyone who disagrees with you and questioning their credentials when you have nothing else. And rationalizing every time you scrape the bottom of the barrel in terms of discourse. At least you’ve been consistent.
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 6:33 PM
This entire story is about the actions of a person that affects the lives of other people and taking responsibility for those actions.
Johan Klaus on December 1, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Studies show that if you throw a cookie under a bridge, the trolls will go back under their bridges and continue molesting goats.
nelsonknows on December 1, 2009 at 6:34 PM
He took this same indignant position when he was criticized by constituents for extending scholarship opportunities to illegal immigrants in Arkansas as well. Why, how dare you accuse him of being soft on immigration! He’s just being a “good Christian man” by giving these poor kids an opportunity to better themselves. Never mind that in doing so he was taking money off the table that could have gone to some rightfully deserving Arkansan who was actually born in this country.
To those who would defend the Huckster, here’s the bottom line: He pardoned twice as many convicted criminals while he was governor than his three immediate predecessors combined. That ought to be enough to raise some red flags. And most of these pardons were granted without explanation, despite that the Arkansas Constitution requires governors to explain their reasons. So 1,033 times, Huckabee acted in direct defiance of the will of the people of Arkansas — both when he overruled the verdicts of those juries, and when he refused to give explanation for doing so. Is this the kind of person you want in the White House? Someone who behaves more like a king than elected official? We’ve got one of those now and he isn’t working out too well.
Stop making excuses for this guy. Like it or not, he is complicit in the murders of those four officers, in the alleged rape of a minor, and in the two armed robberies Clemmons committed in Arkansas AFTER he was paroled the first time thanks to Huckabee’s reducing his original sentence. He clearly lacks the sort of good judgment you’d expect a leader to have if he was unable to see where this would eventually lead. Don’t think this is the last time something on this order will happen. It’s statistically inevitable there will be more tragedies to come thanks to Huckabee’s prideful nature.
NoLeftTurn on December 1, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Sorry, to disappoint you, dog owner, but I was not making an argument but only responding to a psycho-troll.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:35 PM
You are in law school?
Johan Klaus on December 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM
You regularly attack anyone who disagrees with you, insulting and belittling them and anyone in their vicinity. Then you attack everyone who notices. Imagine me second-guessing your ability to psychoanalyze others.
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Oh please. Huckabee has been stabbing people in the back & face for years, all with that cheesy smile and an “ahh schucks”. Huck also uses his religion as a weapon, and his opponents religion as a tool to destroy them with. Ask Romney.
portlandon on December 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM
I just can’t work up much angst over the sentence for people who either arm themselves to commit robbery or suggest that they are armed in order to commit robbery.
Kensington on December 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM
You need to learn how to read and comprehend better. Go back and read the thread. Take this under consideration: F*ck off.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:38 PM
I, for one, have been highly critical of Huckabee in the original sentence commutation, to the point of suggesting he be given the bill for the manhunt of Clemmons and the bullets used to kill him.
As a recovering lawyer knowing quite a bit about gubernatorial decisions in these matters, I’m somewhat ashamed I made a judgement here without full knowledge of Huckabee’s decision in this instance.
Indeed, if you’re faced with a 5-0 commutation recommendation for someone who at age 16 got a 108 year sentence for a robbery (without firearms) and whose trial judge agreed, I would think the sentence extremely excessive, suggesting a runaway jury situation or a Nifong-like prosecutor.
But what happened after the commutation of the sentence, from the prosecutor dropping or failing to pursue later parole violatons to this vermin being granted bail last week in Seattle on rape charges after his rap sheet was known troubles me more.
I still think Huckabee’s an effin’ RINO and will never forgive him for staying in the 2008 primary just to screw Romney or help McCain. And, he’s still too squirrely, for what it’s worth.
But, on this commutation matter, my previous comments were premature and I apologize to him and to all for making them.
TXUS on December 1, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Uh folks, did you ever wonder just how many votes Huckleberry won in the primaries JUST because he is a preacher?
Nothing against preachers but NOT a valid reason to cast a vote for PRESIDENT.
nelsonknows on December 1, 2009 at 6:40 PM
I don’t like or hate Huck. Since this ia a political blog here is a political assessment on Huck’s decision. Courts convict; appeal courts hear appeals. Your job is not to play jury, judge and parole board. People are incarcerated for a reason: to protect society. Huck, you forgot that.
technopeasant on December 1, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Can you understand that there is a distinction between a finger and a gun? That we impose greater punishment for a weapon because of the danger that someone might be shot, while there has never been a recorded incident where a finger fired a bullet?
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:42 PM
A RINO screwing other RINOs who are even worse RINOs than Huckabee.
There wasn’t an actual CONSERVATIVE after Super Tuesday.
nelsonknows on December 1, 2009 at 6:43 PM
He should have never stooped to bashing Mormons. For every action……
True_King on December 1, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Stop projecting. You’re not fooling anyone.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:44 PM
QFT, and the first line of yours is golden.
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 6:44 PM
*snort* Dare I repost the number of people you’ve personally attacked in this thread?
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Huckleberry is whining and actually magnifying the problem.
Does anyone think the DC Rinos that run the RNC will support anyone but Pawlenty or Mittens?
Huck might be a Rino but he’s just Southern “Christian” trash to the DC elitists. Actually Pawlenty is the preferred choice since he’s not one of those (whisper voice here) “Mormons”.
Caribou Barbie will decide after the 2010 elections. 50/50 she doesn’t run.
PappyD61 on December 1, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Also, it was not a case where the victim thought he had a gun but he didn’t. She knew that he did not have a gun.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:46 PM
I think the clinical term is ‘obession’ with our boy Allah. He’s got it bad.
Readymade on December 1, 2009 at 6:46 PM
“You should forgive me. You know, like I forgave the guy who then went on to murder four cops who were getting some breakfast.”
Jim Treacher on December 1, 2009 at 6:47 PM
This is probably the most sane post today
nelsonknows on December 1, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Only if you include the fact that they attacked me first, jerkoff.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Maybe the sentence was the results of imformation that has not been made public. Usually what is leaked, is leaked by “friends” of the defendent. Look at the way Bill Ayers has been whitewashed.
Johan Klaus on December 1, 2009 at 6:49 PM
I don’t usually consider you a jerk, but maybe I’ve been giving you more credit than was warranted.
You do know that you can do serious damage to someone’s health by making them think you’ve got a weapon and are willing to use it to kill them, even if you don’t really have one, right? Try telling some frail old lady that you’re going to kill her with the gun in your pocket and see if it maybe…stresses her out a little.
Kensington on December 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Attack away! I’ve got errands to run. And I can’t fight a mob forever. You’re all so brave!!!
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM
What was that about projection?
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I was speaking in general about the appropriateness of life sentences for armed robbers, not specifically about this case.
Kensington on December 1, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Your riposte is astoundingly great.
First, you whirl, trying to escape with a sudden arching of the back, fleeing with an effeminate gesture of disgust.
Next, you’ll be waving us all away in a foppish display of weariness and boredom.
I can hardly wait!
jaime on December 1, 2009 at 6:52 PM
If we made governors and judges directly responsible for crimes committed by animals they set free early (or set bail so ridiculously low that it amounts to the same thing), we would see a dramatic drop in crimes committed on a helpless public by these savage predators.
Under these terms, the Huckster would serves 30-40 years for the rape committed by the misfit he set free and the two judges who set bail much too low (and approved it) would get life (or execution.)for four murders. Now THAT would send a message.
MaiDee on December 1, 2009 at 6:52 PM
I’m not the one who has his lips firmly planted on AP’s backside. I suggest you work on your own apparent obsession with me.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:54 PM
The buck stops there.
Johan Klaus on December 1, 2009 at 6:55 PM
That is such a cliche.
Obviously, if he was able to make an appeal for this guy, he was given those powers for a reason…and he used them. Sometimes the system can come out with the wrong judgment. If you guys want to make this story about somebody other than the kill, how about the judicial system in Arkansas and wherever else he was charged and then let go (mind you, after he had actually committed violence, unlike in the Huckabee case). They got it backwards. Tried to put him away for life as a kid for a robbery, but let him go free once he did commit violent acts.
Narutoboy on December 1, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Can’t disagree with you there. A man of character, however, would’ve done the honorable thing and dropped out.
Then again, a lack of character defines the essence of a RINO, even to the extent other RINOs were harmed or helped in the process.
That’s what I meant when calling Huckabee “squirrely.”
TXUS on December 1, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Some people can post without cursing or sexual innuendo.
Johan Klaus on December 1, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Funny, I feel exactly the same about you. I guess trying to have a serious conversation with you was too much for you to handle.
You do know that that she knew he didn’t have a weapon and knew it was his finger because I’ve only said it several times already, right? Please don’t try to change the facts.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Would this be the same Castellano who may have helped create Romneys attack ad against Huckabee???
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/romney_on_huckabee_ii.html
Keith_Indy on December 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Except that Huckabee didn’t parole the guy. He commuted his sentence from a 100+ year sentence to a 48 year sentence for what was at the time a burglary charge. I don’t care for Huckabee or his brand of populist politics and hope he doesn’t run in 2012. However, the rush to blame Huckabee doesn’t necessarily line up with the facts either beyond the fact that Huckabee’s reduced sentence also allowed Clemmons to be eligible for parole. But Huckabee didn’t get approve of Clemmons parole nor did he have anything to do with Clemmons not being put back in jail after violating parole.
Queasy on December 1, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Again, work on your reading comprehension. And don’t whine about being told to F off after you told me to F off. And if this response doesn’t meet your approval – who cares.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Yes, you obviously do not live in an inner city…try cruising down 54th street in L.A. someday…or how about walking into Frank’s Market (used to be in Inglewood), and seeing the grandmothers brains blown out all over the the counter behind where she stood…a 70 year old lady who punched the wrong button with a shotgun pointed at her by a 15 year old and 16 year old…the second person they killed that night.
Help clean up the counter…see what you think.
How about a store manager being beat to death with a baseball bat for not selling cigarettes to a 17 year old, his head bashed in to a point that it looks like just a blob of flesh, with no distinguishing features, except some hair splattered around…yeah, you tell me these “16″ year olds, who would shoot, stab, beat you to death for 50 bucks.
These guys were, at one time, “armed robbers”, but their rap sheet were a mile long, just like this guy…three strikes baby. It works.
right2bright on December 1, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Once again you show how F’in brilliant you are…
right2bright on December 1, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Waaaaaaahhhhhhh
/ Blake
omnipotent on December 1, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Congrats Allah, another Huck thread that shows me that 90% of the people who comment here are morons.
I have yet to have anyone here tell me what he did that was wrong. This kid (at the time) received an inordinately long sentence. After 11 years, his sentence was reduced and later, a parole board agreed he had served his time.
What’s the problem?
It seems to me that the later violations and lack of time being served after parole violations by this scumbag has NOTHING to do with the commutation and everything to do with other issues (not Huck).
These threads make me consider leaving this blog for greener fields. It’s clear that the ideology here is just as bad as Lib blogs.
Perhaps Beck is right.
BierManVA on December 1, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Whatever.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 7:07 PM
I think it broke down when they let Huck run things
entagor on December 1, 2009 at 7:07 PM
You should stop doing it. Also, try not being so dishonest in your replies. No one is fooled and it is really not very witty.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 7:08 PM
And that makes no difference to you? Even though you’re whole thing is about making distinctions, in the most condescending fashion you can.
What a tool you’re being.
Kensington on December 1, 2009 at 7:09 PM
So you think that serious conversations include asking whether I can tell the difference between a gun and a finger? That’s your idea of a serious conversation, is it?
Kensington on December 1, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Wow is Huck set on self-destruct or what? What a boob! Can you even imagine this idiot as President? The buck stops with…. come on America has had enough pass the buck lately.
petunia on December 1, 2009 at 7:12 PM
A wordsmith beyond the pale. I am utterly humbled by the rapier wit goring me.
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 7:13 PM
No, a tool is useful.
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Where is anyone holding the system accountable AFTER Clemmons was paroled?
This creep violated his parole and NOTHING was done. This creep assaulted a police officer and raped a child and was ALREADY a convicted felon and NOTHING was done.
I’m in NO WAY a Huckabee supporter but let’s get some perspective here, people, the ENTIRE SYSTEM is FUBAR!
nelsonknows on December 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM
The problem is… the orignal jury looked evil in the face and sentenced it to life!
Then Huck decided he knew better.
And now 4 cops are dead. Not to mention all the other crimes, including rape.
Huck has no idea what makes good government. He wants to be king.
petunia on December 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I had a long response to you because I believed you were being dishonest but didn’t feel like getting into it. So, I deleted it and just posted whatever. Obviously, you just want to pick a fight. Sorry, you thought my explanation was condescending. It wasn’t. But, it was ridiculous for you to make the same lame arguments and then pretend that you were discussing something else. And now that you have called me names, you are going to whine when I call you some back.
What a effin’ hypocrite you are.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 7:18 PM
So if somebody punches someone in the face (that would actually be a step up from what Clemmon’s originally did) and the jury looks at that person and sees evil, you’d be fine with a 100 year prison sentence for that person?
This is conservatism?
Narutoboy on December 1, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Thank you, psycho! Your meds are kicking in, I see. You just keep doing what your doctors tell you.
Lookatme! Lookatme! Lookatme!
/omnipotent
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 7:20 PM
So’s a dog leash. Buy one. Use it.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 7:21 PM
I should have put quotes around “sees evil.” That’s a very dangerous and slippery slope to go on. We can put people in prison for life because we “see evil” in them. #1 We don’t even know if that is the reason why they put him in there for so long. To me, that seems corrupt and I get a feeling that something else was going on there.
Narutoboy on December 1, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Huck, we grieve because the deaths were senseless and unnecessary because people like yourself didn’t show proper judgment. Your latest clemency mistake has cost yet more innocent lives. If the last cop hadn’t been on his toes, he’d be another one on the list of senseless and unnecessary deaths. You will spend the rest of your life waiting for the next case of clemency gone bad to result in additional innocent deaths. With another 1,000 criminals out there due to your need to feel good about yourself, there may be several more cases such as this in the future. Practice your apologies to the grieving relatives while you can. I’m afraid you’re going to need them.
jnelchef on December 1, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Too bad he wasn’t sentenced in California under the three strikes laws, because he wouldn’t have gotten anything close to want he was sentenced to in Arkansas. Nice try, psycho!
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Why presume dishonesty? Is it really so hard for you to imagine that someone can honestly disagree with you about something?
None of my statements about supporting life sentences for sixteen year old armed robbers were specifically about this case, and you’ll see that if you just take them at face value. It’s weird that you refuse to do that.
I actually think that armed robbers can deserve life sentences, even if they are sixteen-year-old armed robbers.
Imagine.
And, yeah, it is condescending to ask someone if they can tell the difference between a finger and a gun and call that a “serious conversation”, unless the person you’re asking is mentally deficient. (Ooh, look how I set that up for you! You can go there if you must!)
Kensington on December 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Well Huck, don’t quit yer
dayweekend job cuz clemency for a cop killer will be in campaign ads every day of the week till you lose by a landslide.Speakup on December 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM
We haven’t heard from the families of the slain officers yet. If they come out and attack Huckabee as part of the general criminal justice system that allowed Clemmons to be freed he’s done, finished, through, over, toast.
The video of that would be so devastating both now and 2 1/2 years down the line that not only would his opponents be able to use it in the Republican primaries, Obama and the media would be able to use it if Huck ever got that far to spin to independent swing voters that Barack and the Democrats are tougher on crime than Huckabee is (sort of a reverse Ricky Ray Rector, from Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign).
jon1979 on December 1, 2009 at 7:32 PM
You must really like yours.
Speakup on December 1, 2009 at 7:32 PM
This hick needs to go away. He’s never going to be president.
therightwinger on December 1, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Who cares what happens to Huck? If all he loses is his political career, he’s lost a hell of a lot less than the families of those four slain officers!
gryphon202 on December 1, 2009 at 7:38 PM
As far as I can tell he attacked you, not the person you love, and you started it so I don’t know why you’re whining.
Darth Executor on December 1, 2009 at 7:40 PM
I can’t tell you how much I look forward to a right-wing blog convention.
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Maybe you missed the words “your fiance”. I imagine it’s hard to read when you’re dodging Chris Hitchens trying to kill you.
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Huckabee will be fine. It’s the poor Romney supporters that think he has a snowballs chance in hell that i’m worried about.
mike_NC9 on December 1, 2009 at 7:46 PM
And if Huck hadn’t let this guy out he would be accused of “keepin’ the black man down”
this is damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Bicyea on December 1, 2009 at 7:46 PM
He called you a garbage truck. Just because he mentioned your fiance doesn’t mean he attacked her. Maybe if Hitchens’s belly button wasn’t blocking your view you’d be able to read better.
Darth Executor on December 1, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I’m just going to let the fact that you completely missed the joke linger, until you’ve read the multiple other references he made to her being a dog, and maybe come to grips with how goddamned dense you are.
Run along, now.
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Dunno, but in this case there are some cops’ families who would say it might have been a good idea.
ddrintn on December 1, 2009 at 8:02 PM
We both knew what we were discussing. For you to pretend it was something else was dishonest – not a disagreement. I tried to avoid an argument with you but you are the one who threw the first insult and you are the one who refused to drop if after I did.
More dishonesty… It’s weird that you think people were born yesterday.
Well, who cares? We were discussing this case, not the cases in your mind. And you won’t find many people if any in the criminal justice system that would agree with you.
Since you repeatedly ignored the distinction, it was fair to ask if you understood that there was a distinction. And it was a serious enough distinction to be addressed in the lower and higher state appellate courts. I guess the justices just lacked your superior intelligence, huh?
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 8:14 PM
I can’t imagine the fury and outrage the next of kin of Huck’s released murderers must feel. Put it this way, if a next of kin of one of these victims knocked Huckabee’s teeth out, such a one would be far more deserving of leniency before the law than the murderers and rapists Huck gave completely unwarranted leniency to.
Governor Huck crystallizes the inherent problem in allowing mushy-headed ignoramuses at the gubernatorial or presidential level the power to void at whim the painstakingly-considered sentences of a court of law. The judicial system has built within it means with which improper verdicts and sentences can be remedied. From what I’ve seen over and over again, the pardon power of governors and presidents has on the whole proven overwhelmingly corruptive rather than redemptive in nature. Justice–already a too-rare commodity in your courts–has time and time again been trodden underfoot by governors and presidents.
Reports are Huck never involved the victims or next of kin in his decision-making process. Any man that can sit there as a governor or president, and commute the sentences of rapists and murderers (and all the more so when their guilt is not even in question), without so much as looking the devastated victims or next of kin in the eye, truly earns Huckabee’s own designation of “sick” and “disgusting.”
You’ve got to love Huckster whining about the “tough decisions” to let murderers and rapists go free to kill and rape more victims. Poor babe! I’m surprised he didn’t call his decisions “gutty,” because that would have just capped it perfectly.
How tough is it to simply allow to let stand the sentence of a court? His disastrous stint as governor shows that he was altogether unable to bear up under the weight of responsibility which the power of commutation put upon his frail mentality. Yes, frail mentality! The guy should have taken up a lifelong career as a ice-cream truck driver, certainly not a governor, or–perish the very thought!–President of the United States.
clark smith on December 1, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Sometimes the sentence isn’t about deterrent, or about punishment or revenge, but about protecting the human rights of decent, law abiding citizens by keeping psychopathically dangerous scum off the streets. Here in New York City there must be thousands of young thugs with lengthy rap sheets who offend violently time and time again, who are ticking time bombs and who will end up killing someone whose life could easily be saved in advance by locking these animals up for life on their 3rd strike.
Sharke on December 1, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Allahpundit, YOU, Ed, and Michelle — you owe us an apology! And you owe Mike Huckabee an apology! Most importantly, you owe the families of the murder victims an apology! All three of you have been playing politics with this tragedy right from the start and it’s despicable! The more we learn about Huckabee’s involvement with Clemmons the more we see that what you were trying to pass off as truth was false. The facts that are coming out now is completely different than what you first told us. Why didn’t tell your readers that Clemmons was only 16 years old when he committed his non-violent crimes (robbery, stealing a purse, theft of property)? Why didn’t you tell your readers that he was given an excessive sentence of a 108 years for a series of robberies he committed as a 16 year old youth? I mean, you’re accusing Mike Huckabee of having poor judgment and this information makes all the difference whether or not what you are saying is true. It changes everything. And you left this out. How come you didn’t tell us it was the Arkansas Parole Board that freed Clemmons — not Huckabee. It was the Arkansas Parole Board who recommended Huckabee commute his sentence, which didn’t release him, it only reduced his sentence to 47 years. You didn’t tell us that the Judge of the case agreed with the recommendation of the Parole Board either! Let me tell you something. Mike Huckabee’s judgment is not in question here. Your judgment is in question. YOU hid this information and painted a completely different story because you wanted to make it look like Mike Huckabee showed negligent judgment in commuting the sentence of a 16 year old Clemmons. And only now when you have been exposed and people are learning quite a bit about what REALLY happened that you have to come clean and tell the truth, but you wouldn’t do this if you didn’t have to. How disgusting can you be to take advantage of people’s emotions for political gain. You owe all of us an apology!
apacalyps on December 1, 2009 at 8:23 PM
So all this matter tells us is that Wayne Dumond is still the poster child for Governor Hucks poor judgement.
rhodeymark on December 1, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Hardly. Juries have absolutely no say in sentencing unless it is a capital case.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 8:35 PM
I’m glad Huckabee came out and talked about this more, actually.
I was curious as to his thinking.
AnninCA on December 1, 2009 at 8:36 PM
We have three disgusting pundits who did just that associated with this website.
apacalyps on December 1, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Well, I doubt he personally called them up on the telephone, if that is what you are implying.
The parole board contacts interested parties regarding a parole or clemency. They can submit letters or attend a hearing. Their input goes into the prisoners file for review by the parole board and the governor. However, the parole board has to be able to know where you are to contact you. Years later, many people move on and can’t be located. So, I find claims that victims or family members were not involved not believable.
Blake on December 1, 2009 at 8:48 PM
I knew all this and You knew all this without Michelle telling you. So I guess its possible to find stuff out without michelle holding your hand. She is not your mom and she is not going to cut chicken mcnuggets for you.
secondly Huckabee did decide to commute his sentence and without doing this the guy still would be in prison. He did not have to do what the parole board said. This is just a fact, Huckabee himself admits this and takes responibility. Case closed.
The parole board shares responsbility but ‘shares’ is the key word here.
kangjie on December 1, 2009 at 9:01 PM
“Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.”
108 years and he’s out in how many? The kid was the gun. Huckabee was one of the “shooters”.
unclesmrgol on December 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Huh? Welcome to Sarah Palin’s world.
No, Huckabee isn’t completely at fault in this, and a lot of it has been way overstated, to say the least. But he’s now tainted.
ddrintn on December 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM
The prosecutor who Huckster says never raised any objections also says his office never received any notice of the intention to grant clemency. Some naive types here may believe that everything that happens in the judicial system is completely by the book and above reproach but the reality is of course much different a lot of the time.
Interesting, too, that Huckster commuted the sentence to exactly the number of years such that it made Clemmons eligible for parole that very day. I guess 10 years and change is sufficient time served for a half dozen instances of armed robbery/aggravated burglary? The people who served on those juries didn’t seem to think so, but I guess Huckabee is much wiser and more enlightened than the rest of us bumpkins here. ASSHAT.
Keep splitting hairs over the particulars of this one case (in which NO ONE has all the facts, BTW, unless you’re looking at the trial transcripts). The point is a much bigger one: The guy pardoned over ONE THOUSAND criminals in ten years in office. Jim Guy Tucker, Clinton, and Frank White pardoned HALF as many in nearly twice as many years. Huckabee led governors of all surrounding states in granting clemencies by leaps and bounds. Two of these scumbags have already murdered since being released — that we known of. Don’t think there aren’t more to come. It demonstrates a breathtaking lack of good judgment and leadership skills that Huckster lacks the foresight to make these logical conclusions. It is just one of many reasons he would make a lousy president. Everything is about HIM.
NoLeftTurn on December 1, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Um… I don’t think you’ve thought this argument through.
DaveS on December 1, 2009 at 9:28 PM
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