CNN: Obama wants most U.S. troops out of Afghanistan in three years; Update: Or does he?
posted at 3:34 pm on December 1, 2009 by Allahpundit
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President Obama is sending 30,000 additional troops to Afghanistan but plans to conclude the war and withdraw most U.S. service members within three years, senior administration officials told CNN Tuesday.
The president is ordering military officials to get the reinforcements to Afghanistan within six months, White House officials said…
Obama, whom Republicans had accused of “dithering” over the decision, came to the conclusion that the deployment needs to be accelerated to knock back the Taliban, the officials said.
The push for a speedy deployment surprised some observers, because White House officials who defended Obama’s slow pace of coming to a decision had said the Pentagon wouldn’t be able to get new troops to Afghanistan that quickly.
Instead of the usual military protocol of “hurry up and wait,” The One’s been playing a game of “wait, then hurry up.” He promised you Change, didn’t he? As for the timetable, at first blush I thought it was an obvious political calculation to push the horizon safely beyond the next presidential election, in much the same way that ObamaCare wouldn’t kick in until 2013 or 2014. But that makes no sense. For one thing, it’ll be obvious by election time whether the escalation succeeded or failed and that’s what he’ll be judged on, not on how many soldiers are in the field. If things are going well, voters won’t begrudge him a broken promise to keep troops there longer than he’d planned. Especially since thousands of other troops are due home from Iraq in 2011.
For another thing, unless and until Petraeus or McChrystal says it’s time to go, you won’t reach any sort of critical mass among conservatives or right-leaning independents in opposition to the war. And without that critical mass, the GOP nominee’s not going to get up there at a debate and hammer The One aside from the ritual grumbling about not “fighting to win” or whatever. He has more to fear from his base for escalating than he does from Republicans, but his base is a paper tiger too. For all its bluster, does anyone seriously think MoveOn’s not going to go to bat for Obama in 2012 when the alternative is Mitt Romney or — gasp — Sarah Palin? Long story short, I can only assume The One favors a timetable because he thinks it’s a good idea on the merits, politics be damned. Although why he thinks that, given that (a) one of the Taliban’s biggest advantages among the population is its relative staying power, (b) the Afghan army is nowhere near ready to take over, and (c) we’re evidently about to toss some sort of international babysitter for Karzai into the mix, I have no idea.
Michael Crowley reminds us that Obama’s withdrawal timetable from Iraq was and presumably still is contingent upon the conditions on the ground (which famously brought him into alignment with McCain during the campaign), so perhaps there’ll be a loophole or two mentioned tonight. Something to watch for. Also worth watching for: The final number on troops, of course, which continues to bounce between 30,000 and 34,000 even with the speech hours away, and the requisite hand-wringing about cost, which would make this — at a fraction of the price of the stimulus, TARP, or ObamaCare — somehow the first federal initiative that’s too expensive for Obama and the Democrats.
Update: Ah, and here’s that loophole now. Crowley again:
In a conference call, the White House clarifies what those reports about a three year time line were about. Although the phrase three years doesn’t appear anywhere in Obama’s speech, he will set July 2011 as the date when NATO forces will begin handing over the lead of combat operations to Afghan forces…
And along those same lines, a senior White House official speaking on background says: “This is the beginning of a process which is not yet defined in terms of the length of the process, or the endpoint.” Sounds fairly open-ended to me–as it realistically has to be, given the uncertainties involved and Obama’s apparent belief in the necessity of winning.
“Handing over the lead” can mean a lot of things, just as “finishing the job” can. The Iraqi army’s been in the lead in their country for awhile now, in fact, and U.S. forces inside the country are still robust. On the other hand, this isn’t a three-year timeline, it’s a two-year timeline, which is awfully fast. Exit quotation from Crowley’s source: “If the Taliban thinks they can wait us out, then they are misjudging the president’s approach.”
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5 bucks… cause I am cheap.
Obama pulls out before the timeline.
upinak on December 1, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Al Queda knows how long they have to hold out for.
Nice Job Barry.
portlandon on December 1, 2009 at 3:35 PM
What a coincidence! Just in time for his re-election. That’s keeping America safe.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 1, 2009 at 3:36 PM
I thought this was the “good” war.
He’s so weak.
gophergirl on December 1, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Just in time for the 2012 election.
Enoxo on December 1, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Once again, He lied. Joe Wilson was right.
He is a scumbag using our troops as political pawns and another photo op.
dthorny on December 1, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Maybe he should consider winning as a strategy. Just a thought.
Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Pathetic. A craven policy from a craven man.
elduende on December 1, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Obama stuck on a time line. Bush fought on an event line. Would you want your surgeon to operate on a time line or keep at it until the last suture was closed?
scrubjay on December 1, 2009 at 3:40 PM
SO full of shaite.
fiatboomer on December 1, 2009 at 3:40 PM
The Taliban might as well go on a 3 year vacation for the time being now that they know all of our Dear leader’s plans.
Unless things go terribly in Iraq or Afghanistan, and I pray they don’t, neither war will really have much of an effect on the 2012 elections. It will be all about domestic policy then.
Daemonocracy on December 1, 2009 at 3:40 PM
“I can only assume The One’s going with a timetable because he thinks it’s a good idea on the merits, politics be damned.”
Seriously? If politics didn’t factor into everything this administration did, Axelrod wouldn’t be sitting in on war meetings.
BadgerHawk on December 1, 2009 at 3:40 PM
The only thing I can think of is whiskey tango foxtrot.
redwhiteblue on December 1, 2009 at 3:40 PM
The terrorists and other assorted thugs only have to wait for 3 years now.
Schadenfreude on December 1, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Obama to Taliban: hide out in caves or over in Pakistan for three years, and then come out and take over. Just don’t shoot at the helicopters lifting people off the embassy roof, would you?
s/ off
Wethal on December 1, 2009 at 3:41 PM
I assume we’ll be WINNING by then, as Obama said that the Afghanistan was was a “WAR OF NECESSITY.” Right, O-bots?
If it isn’t won in time for his
re-electoral bid“timetable,” then what, Obamatrons?Good Lt on December 1, 2009 at 3:41 PM
So it will take months to deploy the guys, and some more time for the plan to start working. Right around that time we will be packing up and leaving? We might as well bail now then. This is a 10 year deal minimum, at least to some extent.
echosyst on December 1, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Great. So Obama’s going to be losing Afghanistan during the lead-up to the 2012 elections. That’s a huge gift he’s giving the Republican nominee, who will be all in favor of winning in Afghanistan.
Greg Q on December 1, 2009 at 3:42 PM
How about we put the full force of the US military in Afghanistan, achieve undeniable victory, and be done in a year?
Naaaaaaa
trs on December 1, 2009 at 3:42 PM
+10
Oink on December 1, 2009 at 3:42 PM
yeah sure….just like Gitmo was going to be closed by January 1
PatriotRider on December 1, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Aiming at the 2012 election, do you think?
Shameless. That the lives of our brave men and women are to be used as pawns for re-electing this clown.
Daddy-O on December 1, 2009 at 3:42 PM
The greatest military commander since McClellan. What a putz.
kingsjester on December 1, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Dude just doesn’t seem to grasp foreign or military affairs
Doctor Zhivago on December 1, 2009 at 3:43 PM
When Obama will shift his focus to fighting the Paliban.
aengus on December 1, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Seriously.
If the last thing you heard the surgeon say before you went under the knife was “no matter what, I HAVE to be out of here in two hours because I have this important thing I have to do for myself,” how would that make you feel as the patient?
Good Lt on December 1, 2009 at 3:43 PM
EVERYTHING is political with Obama, even dead soldiers being used as photo props:
From Headlines story.
Wethal on December 1, 2009 at 3:44 PM
WOW, damn someone give me my 5 bucks!
upinak on December 1, 2009 at 3:44 PM
oh, really? you want out by 2012? what a concidence!
then you better get your sorry ass in gear, idiot.
oh, and now that you have telegraphed your intentions to the enemy, things should go swimmingly.
homesickamerican on December 1, 2009 at 3:45 PM
HEADLINE:
Obama wants to see USA prosper, economically and otherwise.
UPDATE:
Or does he?
gryphon202 on December 1, 2009 at 3:46 PM
He is the worst. Can’t wait when that liar is going to be chased off to the Secretary General position in the UN in 2012.
nyx on December 1, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Hey – maybe he can give precise coordinates of the pick-up zones in 2012. I mean, if we’re basically telling the Islamonazis when we’re outta there, then why not go all out and tell them more? Maybe fax them our battle plans so that they’ll be able to avoid our attacks and not add to the body count of this senseless, “necessary war.”
Yes, peaceniks?
They know when we’re leaving now, Mr. President, and will adjust accordingly. Thanks to you.
Way to go, genius.
Good Lt on December 1, 2009 at 3:46 PM
I wonder what Smerconish has to say about all this?
Trov on December 1, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Good Grief!!
Flip and Flop.
I cannot believe ANYTHING I read about Obama’s decisions until I actually see them in action.
Either he’s changing his mind or he doesn’t even know what his mind is doing.
Or our media really sucks worse than I thought.
At this point…I think I’ll wait until AFTER the fact and read everything that is a week old. I just MIGHT get some straight flipping facts.
Hell, maybe I’ll wait a month to get a ’story’.
bridgetown on December 1, 2009 at 3:47 PM
I’ll never hear the military term “surgical strike” in the same way again. X-D
gryphon202 on December 1, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Ok ok…but Bush would be the surgeon…finish the job.
Obama, OTOH, would be the psychologist….”Oh look, our hour is over…give me your money and see you next week”.
Surgeons fix things. Psychologists make you feel good, for an hour, anyway.
Again, we have the Bush-Obama relationship.
BobMbx on December 1, 2009 at 3:48 PM
It will be interesting to see how the teleprompter spins this one. I’m sure all the lemmings will think Mr. Dithers is brilliant for his awesomely visionary visions about whatever. I want to puke now.
redwhiteblue on December 1, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Obama makes Buchanan look decisive. That arrogant POS. Impeachment is coming.
nyx on December 1, 2009 at 3:49 PM
I want Obama out of the White House in 3 years.
portlandon on December 1, 2009 at 3:49 PM
If its not some set artificial Obama timeline, then the end game is out of Obama’s hands, and back in the theater CinC’s, where it should be, and the enemy have less of the initiative.
elduende on December 1, 2009 at 3:50 PM
This is not going to end well.
LibTired on December 1, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Call it Military Strategy by Trial Balloon. They float something out, see how it’s received by their base, and then float out something else. These are not leaders; they are high school girls changing their outfits.
Rational Thought on December 1, 2009 at 3:50 PM
So CNN dipsh*t prez wants the troops out in three years….that is funny!…Cause I want him out in three years!.
hawkman on December 1, 2009 at 3:50 PM
+1 Trillion
redwhiteblue on December 1, 2009 at 3:51 PM
2011 is 2 years away. This could backfire big time if he brings the troops home in 2011 and everything falls apart in 2012 in Afghanistan right before the election.
He would have to start giving the orders to return home early in 2011 to get most of them home by x-mas. So really the Taliban and Al-Q will fight hard from now until 3rd quarter of 2010, give Obama 3 months to feel comfortable to give the order to return, stay silent all of 2011, and then Cambodia begins in 2012.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 1, 2009 at 3:51 PM
It’s not even a two year timeline – it’s effectively a one year timeline.
The troops being sent have six months to be in place. That leaves about a year before this July 2011 timeframe.
If this is the case, anyone still wanna give Obama credit for wanting to win the war or win an election?
catmman on December 1, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Oooo – listen to the warmonger in chief’s flacks talking tough.
I’m sure they’re quaking in their sandals at the announcement that you’ll be ending the war against them whether they lose or not and that you want “exit ramps.”
A gaggle of leftwing morons are going to lose this war for the US, just like they did in Vietnam. So sad.
Good Lt on December 1, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Hmmm…maybe we can work a compromise with the other side of the aisle….a little quid pro quo?
the libs get troops out of Afghanistan, and we get Obama out the government….
A fair trade.
BobMbx on December 1, 2009 at 3:53 PM
I am afraid this is going to happen with the POS who is in charge right now.
nyx on December 1, 2009 at 3:53 PM
That’s gotta be a double entendre…
bluelightbrigade on December 1, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Ogabe wants to fight a war for three more years?
Preznit Ogabe = WARMONGER!
Bishop on December 1, 2009 at 3:55 PM
I like that Trade. Let’s roll.
portlandon on December 1, 2009 at 3:56 PM
I think in three years we’ll be talking about our troops in Pakistan.
LevStrauss on December 1, 2009 at 3:56 PM
I wonder if he even has a prepared speech ready. All the leaks of the speech tend to mitigate the need. O f course he can’t pass up the photo-op.
fourdeucer on December 1, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Obama’s promises will have changed by then. You need to have an Obama promise news ticker on your computer to keep up to date one what he believes and what has gone out of style.
That is one of the many major problem with him. He can’t make up his mind. I disagreed with Bush plenty, but at least he made a decision and stuck by it. I would rather have our enemies know we have a guy in the Oval Office that won’t change his mind instead of one that will probably come up with a different plan in 3 months (and probably in their favor).
txaggie on December 1, 2009 at 3:58 PM
But what if the alternative is Hilary Clinton?
BKeyser on December 1, 2009 at 3:59 PM
This is all tied into the election cycle. This punk pres. is politicizing this war effort. He should be ashamed but as we know it is not in his or other lefties DNA. This is despicable.
rjoco1 on December 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Of course it does. He knows by now that is all he will have to run on, that and some severely watered down HC legislation.
Everything this wannabe does is political. Why do you think he waited on the troop decision until after Thanksgiving?
Because networks Nov. sweeps ended last week and he would command a wider audience for his speech tonight.
FireBlogger on December 1, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Who the hell cares what this idiot says anymore?
ORconservative on December 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Everything about this situation is stupid.
You said it.
dogsoldier on December 1, 2009 at 4:08 PM
I don’t think it is logistically possible to stick to that timeline. At the very minimum it will take 6-8 months to get 30,000 troops there, and that is dependent on the Air Force being hyper-efficient. Then you need to remove those 38,000 plus the 80,000 that are already there. At best that would take a little over a year. If I did my math right our forces would be at full strength for about 2 months before we start to pull-out. We would get the men out, but most likely leave a ton of equipment behind for the enemy.
Another major problem Obama has is that he hasn’t looked at a map. Afghanistan is a land-locked nation which means we need to air-lift everything out of there or beg for permission from Pakistan or Turkmenistan for access to the sea. I somehow doubt that either country would be happy having a large American land force going through the countryside.
txaggie on December 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Clean up on aisle O’Reilly/Huckabee, tears over mean old conservatives threaten to flood the site.
Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Not with this stool in charge.
thomasaur on December 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Dithering, blithering, feather-headed fartstain.
Three more years. Dear God!
SKYFOX on December 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Up above under headlines, “We Pick, You Click” Or beloved Countdown host wasn’t too happy with Our Dear Leader. Wait till this war drags on.
IlikedAUH2O on December 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM
One more thing, how stupid is it to tell the enemy when you are leaving the battlefield??
The enemy is at least smart enough to lay low, retool, train and fortify for the day we leave.
We exit like Vietnam with a minimal rear guard protecting our helicopters flying off the roof of the embassy in Kabul.
(scratch that, their roofs can’t hold a chopper)
Once we leave we will never go back.
I can hardly believe this guy is president of my country.
W T F ??
FireBlogger on December 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Although his actual speech will evolve as he frantically scans blogs for the next hour or two, if we already know everything he’s going to say, remind me why we need Obama TV tonight? He’s not a good enough performer to appear even vaguely CiCish, so why bother?
Connie on December 1, 2009 at 4:15 PM
I hope they saved W’s “Mission Accomplished” banner, because I think we’re going to need it again.
TheUnrepentantGeek on December 1, 2009 at 4:17 PM
He thinks we want to hear his voice, it’s been so long you know.
thomasaur on December 1, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Given what you know about him, why on earth would you think that? His base wants us out ASAP. If he doesn’t have the political stones to give that to them right away, a timeline is the next best thing.
It’s totally political.
Missy on December 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM
So there will be a three year timeline until a void in the region………
Is that void the allied presence in Afghanistan or the void between teh President’s ears?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 1, 2009 at 4:22 PM
The Taliban will do its best to make a mockery of any timeline. I think Obama is talking about that to appease the base, but I also think that they don’t believe him.
I am wondering if Obama is thinking that he can use the war to get some bipartisan support on something, so that he does not look so divisive, which he is.
I also think that maybe he is wondering if he really wants to be the President who loses Afghanistan. That does not mean he won’t ultimately bale out on the mission. I think it depends on the politics of the issue.
Terrye on December 1, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Memo to Obowa: These aren’t toy soldiers you’re dealing with.
SouthernGent on December 1, 2009 at 4:22 PM
They can hang it from those styrofoam columns.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 1, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Well, that’s what the libtards at DU are screeching. Yes, really.
Well warmongers, it looks like Obama is going to get your war on
Heh. Pass the popcorn…..and send some ammo to the troops, Mr. President.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 1, 2009 at 4:26 PM
But did he fill out a form 27b/6?
We don’t take a dump around here without a properly filled-out 27b/6, son…
mojo on December 1, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Obowma will send in the troops, but you all presume he is going to allow them to fight…
I know of at least three Navy SEALs that are currently hiring lawyers because some terrorist ‘accused’ them of giving him a bloody lip.
The Obowma ‘Rules of Engagement’ are currently in place, which guarantees American casualties. This is all a smoke screen, just like the ‘party crashers’ at the White House.
What else is going on that Obowma doesn’t want anyone to talk about? Climategate? Unemployment? ObowmaCare? Trillions in debt…?
Seven Percent Solution on December 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM
NOTE TO TALIBAN: Lay low for 3 years and it’s all yours!
GarandFan on December 1, 2009 at 4:58 PM
“Paliban”.
Dude, if you came up with this you better copyright it now!
Great line!
Bruno Strozek on December 1, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Except that his speech is pre-empting the annual showing of “A Charlie Brown Christmas”. Lots of folks mad about that.
Del Dolemonte on December 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM
did someone already say this?
good military leaders take some training & seasoning to mold. Do you really think we can train the Afghan army to handle the Taliban & AQ in the space of 3 years?
I am not in the military so maybe I don’t know if we can get an Army up to speed to combat radical Islam in a mere 3 years.
kelley in virginia on December 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Like I’ve said here before, Obama is too much of a coward to hold to his supposed convictions and pull all the troops out of the Middle East. He’s surrounded by neocons and has likely become one himself.
The Dean on December 1, 2009 at 5:22 PM
They really are funny at DU, aren’t they? I bet by the time Dear Leader finishes his speech tonight their heads will be exploding.
Del Dolemonte on December 1, 2009 at 5:23 PM
His head says “win,” his heart says “don’t commit.”
Imagine this, with his other head.
Schadenfreude on December 1, 2009 at 5:24 PM
FIFY
Oh, please, the N word is so 9/10. Can’t Soros give you a better word to use?
BTW I wasn’t aware O’bama had Bill Kristol in his circle of advisors. When did this happen?
Del Dolemonte on December 1, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Same as what I am thinking- I didn’t say his plan made sense but if he wants to give a timetable for 2011 to pacify his far left base, this is what I see happening.
And it would be a wth moment if we leave equipment behind for the Taliban or Al-Q to get their hands on, and if we disable it and leave it the Afghanis and the environmentalists will harp about it. Forever.
journeyintothewhirlwind on December 1, 2009 at 6:07 PM
They would never do that, would they? Like when we demanded that they turn over Osama or we would go to war, they moved really quickly to hand him over, right?
Then again, I guess the Taliban wouldn’t actually be misjudging the president’s approach if they concluded that he wanted to cut and run.
cool breeze on December 1, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Typical libs cutting and running always leaving the mess for conservatives to clean up after them (reagan cleaning up new deal, great society, the peanut man carter)
jaboba on December 1, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Anti-American Leftist cartoon-maker Mikey Moore is in Japan promoting his latest cinematic satire, which bombed here in the States. Some excerpts of what he had to say:
Moore’s Dad knows war, as he was there. Mikey claiming he “knows” war is like Bill Clinton claiming he knows about marital fidelity.
Translation: “I Hate America”.
Epic FAIL.
Del Dolemonte on December 1, 2009 at 6:18 PM
I’m half listening and I haven’t heard the word victory yet. Has he said it? Anybody know from the transcript? It’s looking like another Viet Nam, ON PURPOSE!!!!!!
adamsmith on December 1, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Bambi’s policy(?) on Afganistan is almost too stupid to comment on,except to ask “how many American lives are going to be lost unnecessarily because of his playing politics with the issue?”
His half-assed approach,trying to pander to both sides, is just going to get more of our young men and women killed.
I have to stop now,before I get myself banned.
DDT on December 1, 2009 at 10:00 PM
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