Audio: Cheney knocks Obama on eve of war speech

posted at 6:12 pm on December 1, 2009 by Allahpundit

On the very day that Obama defies his base and tries to rally flagging support for a cause most conservatives claim to believe in, here’s Cheney deciding it’d be a good time to wonder aloud in front of reporters how committed the commander-in-chief is to the cause. Gore ranted about Bush’s war policies too, of course, although as I recall, even he didn’t use the surge announcement as an occasion to undermine confidence in the president. I’d love to ride to DC’s defense here, guys, but after knocking Thompson and Beck for preaching Hopenchange-determined defeatism, the best I can do is offer you this link to Goldfarb:

When Cheney goes after the president, the president starts making unforced political errors. More than that though, Cheney’s attacks seem to push Obama into a more positive direction on policy. No doubt, the White House considered how Cheney would respond to Obama’s speech tonight. Cheney’s critique of Obama as “dithering” on the decision may have expedited it, and his critique of Obama as insufficiently clear in his commitment to the mission may force Obama to dig in a lot deeper than he’d like — which is a good thing.

Yes, but there’s a time and place for that, and that time and place isn’t the day Obama’s calling for national unity against a common enemy, especially when the White House is explicitly invoking continuity with Bush’s own war effort. If it’s true that Cheney retains enough political capital to move The One rightward on foreign policy then he shouldn’t want to squander any of that capital needlessly, and yet trying to horn in on Obama’s speech is inevitably going to do that. (It also arguably makes things much harder for the GOP’s message machine.) I’ve knocked Obama for dithering too, but I’m closer to Dan Senor’s position than Cheney’s: Frankly, I never thought a liberal as strident as The One would commit to Afghanistan as much as he has. And while there are things I don’t like about his strategy, he’s closer to our position on the war than he is, say, Michael Moore’s. Can we spare him a single night of high-profile criticism for that? Or am I being a Chamberlain-esque RINO candy ass again?

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And in fact, we don’t know if he has the guts or not; like Goldfarb says, he may end up digging in. He could have gone the Moore route now but didn’t, right?

But all that aside, this isn’t the day.

Allahpundit on December 1, 2009 at 6:31 PM

. . .

Are you for real? You honestly think Teleprompter Unicorn has the stomach for this?

TheUnrepentantGeek on December 1, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Didn’t Obama schedule a speech to overlap Cheney’s speech a few months ago? AEI or someplace like it?

Spirit of 1776 on December 1, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Yea, Cheney should hear out Mr. President before he spouts off. Calling him weak while enemies are listening doesn’t help us with the battle we’re facing. It’s counterproductive. I agree, the timing stinks.

scalleywag on December 1, 2009 at 6:41 PM

BRILLIANT;
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Cybergeezer on December 1, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Can we spare him a single night of high-profile criticism for that? Or am I being a Chamberlain-esque RINO candy ass again?

Sure…just like we did right after he was elected and many of us stood down until he was inaugurated and started ‘leading’. But he needs to stand on his own 2 feet…what the right wants is irrelevant to him. If he really is doing this because he believes it is a war we must win, then it won’t matter what criticism he receives…he’ll just do the right thing.

Cheney’s criticisms are right on…if you think Obama will fold on this because Cheney and conservatives are still criticizing the incompetent way he is running the war…then he’s so wobbly he would collapse anyway. We all know the POTUS is exceedingly weak…I guess we’ll find out just how weak he is now.

AUINSC on December 1, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Can we spare him a single night of high-profile criticism for that?

   Ummmh?   Like the opps ever ‘spared’ the Bush/Cheney Admin of criticism.   Forget-about-it!

Or am I being a Chamberlain-esque RINO candy ass again?

   In a word?   Yes!
.

martywd on December 1, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Sad but true, guys: If the parties were reversed here, you’d be all over the Democratic VP for trying to undermine the Republican president on the night of a speech announcing escalation.

Allahpundit on December 1, 2009 at 6:23 PM

What’s sad is trying to flip the situations when they are not analogous. Obama is no Bush or Cheney and they aren’t he.

Fox roundtable already criticizing Obama’s “rally” which is actually weak tea that he sees fit to politicize (as usual). This is serious business. Cheney knows it and a lot of us know it. It’s not a game of “Let’s be fair” and then proceed to be extremely unfair and grant to someone who has not earned it trust and faith; that is an extremely dangerous path to take.

Krauthammer as I type: Sign of weakness that is extremely troubling.

No kidding. This is not Kumbaya. Obama needs to earn respect. His dithering, half-way measures, constant insults to his predecessors and political foes mean he has forfeited it.

KittyLowrey on December 1, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Go Cheney! He needs to make up for 8 years of silence.

ebrawer on December 1, 2009 at 6:49 PM

BARRY SOETERO HASN’T EVEN CONFRONTED ANY SCHOOL YARD BULLY IN HIS LIFE!
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A PUSSWA?

Cybergeezer on December 1, 2009 at 6:49 PM

“Is the commander in chief really behind what they’ve been asked to do?”

Obama and his ilk hate the military to begin with. Soldiers dying because they have been undermanned and abandoned by his administration probably pleases him on some level. Sometimes I think that’s why he has dragged his feet to help the troops for so long. He’s twisting the knife.

There’s more to it than that though.

I don’t think Obama ever thought past his campaign promises. He spoon fed unrealistic policies and outright lies to the idiots who would listen to him. Anything to get elected. It never occured to him that he would actually have to follow through.

Once upon a time he could lie to get elected and do nothing afterward because it was the Chicago way and that works fine in Illinois. In front of the world – not so much.

Guardian on December 1, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Didn’t Obama schedule a speech to overlap Cheney’s speech a few months ago? AEI or someplace like it?

Spirit of 1776 on December 1, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Yep. He wanted to step all over Cheney, but it backfired.

AP:

Remember how Obama tried to overshadow Cheney last spring when he decided to speak at the National Archives at the same time Cheney was scheduled to speak at the AEI?

Payback baby.

IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 6:40 PM

IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM

The defense of this from some seems to be that we can be as mean and partisan as the left was with Bush. They did it so we can reciprocate.

Gee, candy ass that I am, I’d like to be better.

SteveMG on December 1, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Problem is, the Left and the Democrats were the ones who broke centuries-old tradition, not us.

Until Jimmy Carter, Bill Clenis, and Algore came along, it was a long and honorable tradition for ex-Presidents and ex-Vice Presidents to be respectful and not criticize their successors. Those 3 guys changed the way the game is played, and it has paid off for them in spades over the long run.

Cheney is just giving them a dose of their own medicine.

BTW, Cheney’s facts aren’t IMHO “mean”, they are just “truth”.

Del Dolemonte on December 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Quoth AllahPundit, noted wide-eyed idealist. Yeah dude, he’s sincere about this. Totally.

Indeed. If President Obama were “sincere” about achieving anything resembling victory in Afghanistan he would have committed upwards of 60,000 additional troops and made the actual decision months ago.

Mike Honcho on December 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Didn’t happen today. The outrage about upstaging him is, staged.

Jason Coleman on December 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Sad but true, guys: If the parties were reversed here, you’d be all over the Democratic VP for trying to undermine the Republican president on the night of a speech announcing escalation.

Allahpundit on December 1, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Oh good God. When Dem’s talk about their bold new cost-cutting measures I bet you take them seriously. Because it’s not like they’ve got an established track record or anything.

TheUnrepentantGeek on December 1, 2009 at 6:51 PM

IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 6:40 PM

IrishEi on December 1, 20

Sweet. Sorry I missed your 6:40.

Spirit of 1776 on December 1, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Didn’t happen today.

When did it?

Spirit of 1776 on December 1, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Actually, this sort of thing is what made Daschle and Gephardt look like total douchebags just before Bush announced the start of our campaign in Afghanistan.

DaveS on December 1, 2009 at 6:52 PM

It is one thing to make irresponsible decisions with another person’s money, it is an entirely different thing to make irresponsible decisions regarding that persons life. An irresponsible war strategy will cost lives.

I don’t agree with a strategy of benchmarks and timelines, but I pray President Obama finds success here.

Angry Dumbo on December 1, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Yesterday at the earliest possible, could have been Friday. Depends on how you want to define “eve” in journospeak”.

Jason Coleman on December 1, 2009 at 6:53 PM

IS OBAMBI GOING TO BE BROADCAST BY OPRAH? OR THE BLACK PANTHER NETWORK?

Cybergeezer on December 1, 2009 at 6:53 PM

I love Cheney. I do not see how what he says undermines Obama. Cheney stands for America and for the troops, and victory, and there is no doubt about it. We really don’t know where Obama stands, because we don’t know where his heart is. It seems that everything he comes up with is only about manipulating the perceptions of others and not anything resembling substance. I hope Cheney keeps talking and talking.

Queen0fCups on December 1, 2009 at 6:53 PM

You can play this game where you replace Obama with Bush and Cheney with Gore, but that’s apples and oranges. And you can quibble over the timing and all that, but being right has to count for something. Cheney is right…Gore was wrong.

Jim-Rose on December 1, 2009 at 6:53 PM

and that time and place isn’t the day Obama’s calling for national unity against a common enemy

What?! Did he already give the speech? He called for unity against whom? He’s never called for anything of the sort.

Smart money is on a “we’re stuck there for now and we have to leave some semblance of order behind us since the last guy screwed up so badly…”

The fact that he’s calling for us to be out by the time we vote for Prez again is a pretty god indicator he’s as hands off as it gets on this.

Obama could give a rat’s a$$ what happens in Afghanistan – to Afghanis, to women and children, to the “Tall-ee-bun” and to our soldiers. He’s just trying to figure out how best to play this politically – all he ever does in this interminable campaign he’s running.

Cheney is 100% right to call him out at every opportunity – and to challenge him before the fact. My only wish is that more would do so. Everything Obama touches turns to $hit – Afghanistan will also, despite heroic efforts on the part of the coalition. They are determined to lose this war – why are we even pretending that anything he says tonight means anything.

gopmom on December 1, 2009 at 6:54 PM

At this point I have a very hard time cutting Obama and the democrats any slack for anything they do. Everytime we’ve done that in the past, or have been gracious they turn right around and stab you in the back.

Everything the democrats do has a political angle. Even this. Tell me again … exactly why does Obama have to go on national television again? Is this really necessary? Is it really necessary to do this at West point?

darwin on December 1, 2009 at 6:55 PM

I’ll give Obama credit when I actually see some proof that he’s doing this. Boots on the ground. Not until then.

bridgetown on December 1, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Obama could give a rat’s a$$ what happens in Afghanistan – to Afghanis, to women and children, to the “Tall-ee-bun” and to our soldiers. He’s just trying to figure out how best to play this politically – all he ever does in this interminable campaign he’s running.

gopmom on December 1, 2009 at 6:54 PM

You nailed it.

I support the troops and I support the mission. The CinC doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ about either.

IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 6:57 PM

SPOILER ALERT

From the Hammer, the White House’s Press briefing on tonight’s speech.

Make of it what you will.

russcote on December 1, 2009 at 6:57 PM

So now the ditherer thinks all he has to do to earn respect as the CinC is to read a teleprompter from West Point?

This is a man who can’t even stand up and admit he knows the “gate crashers.”

ConservativeTony on December 1, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Isn’t Ahmadinejad giving a speech tonight?

Cybergeezer on December 1, 2009 at 6:58 PM

I support the troops and I support the mission. The CinC doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ about either.

IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 6:57 PM

A fact that’s obvious to everyone but Allah, apparently.

TheUnrepentantGeek on December 1, 2009 at 6:58 PM

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Please advise, anyone.

gopmom on December 1, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Obama could give a rat’s a$$ what happens in Afghanistan – to Afghanis, to women and children, to the “Tall-ee-bun” and to our soldiers. He’s just trying to figure out how best to play this politically – all he ever does in this interminable campaign he’s running.

gopmom on December 1, 2009 at 6:54 PM
You nailed it.

I support the troops and I support the mission. The CinC doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ about either.

IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 6:57 PM

The way he is playing it politically is to get out of his own office, go to McChrystal’s (and Petraeus’) alma mater and go blah-blah-blah-blah-Bush-blah-this is your war go fix it, I’m done with it. Thank you.

ted c on December 1, 2009 at 6:59 PM

If Obama follows the advise of his generals and fights the war to win than I won’t have anything bad to say about him on the war front. I don’t and won’t play politics when it comes to war.

lavell12 on December 1, 2009 at 7:00 PM

I’m not picking a fight, but do you think Obama being weak or Cheney talking about Obama being weak is the stronger evidence of weakness to our enemies?

russcote on December 1, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Good point. He has shown weakness. You’ll note, however, that the former President isn’t out there calling Obama weak. Cheney’s comments are just premature IMO. I’m just saying, hear the guy out, if his plan stinks, then you can let loose over it. All we have right now is speculation about what he’s going to say. I don’t think it helps to have the enemy reading about his plans for withdrawal, either. I’m hoping that Mr. President gives a strong and resounding speech that gives no doubt that he wants to go over there and win the war. That’s my hope for our troops.

scalleywag on December 1, 2009 at 7:00 PM

…but there’s a time and place for that, and that time and place isn’t the day Obama’s calling for national unity against a common enemy, especially when the White House is explicitly invoking continuity with Bush’s own war effort.

I’d totally be onboard with this if I thought that’s really what Obama was going to do. But I could sum up his speech in about 30 seconds, and it won’t take you that long to read my summary:

“Bush screwed it up, and I can do better because I’m unprecendented!”

gryphon202 on December 1, 2009 at 7:00 PM

The defense of this from some seems to be that we can be as mean and partisan as the left was with Bush. They did it so we can reciprocate.

Gee, candy ass that I am, I’d like to be better.

SteveMG on December 1, 2009 at 6:44 PM

What did Cheney say that was “mean and partisan”, please?

Nothing.

Obama is the one who behaves in that fashion. Tough criticism which is in fact true is not “mean” and not “partisan”.

BTW, you might have noted by now that Cheney did not make these remarks on this sacred day of Obama’s “big speech”.

KittyLowrey on December 1, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Gore ranted about Bush’s war policies too, of course, although as I recall, even he didn’t use the surge announcement as an occasion to undermine confidence in the president.

Of course he didn’t use it as an occasion. That’s because Gore tried to undermine confidence in Bush before the surge announcement, during the surge announcement, and after the surge announcement.

PackerBronco on December 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM

BTW, you might have noted by now that Cheney did not make these remarks on this sacred day of Obama’s “big speech”.

KittyLowrey on December 1, 2009 at 7:00 PM

IS that true? LOL!
oops

bridgetown on December 1, 2009 at 7:02 PM

and that time and place isn’t the day Obama’s calling for national unity against a common enemy, especially when the White House is explicitly invoking continuity with Bush’s own war effort.

Yeah. Right. Tell me another one.

Anybody with 5 working brain cells wants the Taliban dead and a better future for Afghanistan.

The two major groups of ‘doubters’ of our engagement in Afghanistan are: the Leftist donks who want us gone yesterday, and the average Americans who are coming to the conclusion that he’s a ‘wishy-washy pu$$ie’.

For the former group, this is a ‘shut-up and let me try to fix this’ speech. For the latter group, this is a ‘see, I really do care about winning’ speech, complete with the Corps of Cadets as stage props.

As for continuity of Dubya’s policy, lets see how many times he blames Bush for the pickle he’s in, and how many times he ‘praises’ Bush for his courage and commitment.

Bets anyone?

I’ll spare any further ‘beat-down’ of AP; it would be like smacking around a toddler as it is.

As I had said in an earlier post. If this all goes south 6 months from now, this ‘speech’ will go down the memory hole faster than photo of Stalin and Trotsky trading hugs.

That, you can count on.

CPT. Charles on December 1, 2009 at 7:03 PM

I would be very angry at Former VP Cheney, were it not for the fact that the Obama Administration has manifestly done dozens of (hundred of?) things to destroy this country including emboldening the enemies fighting against these very same troops. And he’s only doing what he said that he was going to do. There are megabytes and megabytes of video of it.

This cannot be compared to “what if this were Bush.” GWB never claimed to want to remake the USA, redistribute wealth, stand with the Muslims or de-nuke the military arsenal–and that’s just stuff off of the top of my head.

When an abusive husband claims that he’s sorry and wants to prove it, the intelligent wife doesn’t believe him.

When the Socialist, military-hating, Constitution-hating, Caucasian-hating, abortion-loving president claims all of a sudden that hewants to bring Americans together against her enemies, I’m not going to immediately start singing f-ing Kumbaya and I’m glad VP Cheney isn’t either.

I’m sorry that you have such a short memory AP but don’t expect all the rest of us forget.

baldilocks on December 1, 2009 at 7:04 PM

It’s like watching a chess match but one in which Cheney is always three moves ahead.

smfoushee on December 1, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Remember one thing all these liberal morons ripping this surge in Afghanistan were the same clowns who attacked the surge in Iraq.

Lets kick some Taliban and AQ Ass!!

I will be with the President if he does the right thing. Remember one thing Mr. President the best political thing to do is win the war.

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Cybergeezer on December 1, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Frankly, I never thought a liberal as strident as The One would commit to Afghanistan as much as he has.

Why not? Kennedy and Johnson were liberals and they committed to Vietnam, did they ever. As Bob Dole said, we got into WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam under Democrat Presidents. We also got into Kosovo under a Democrat President. We seem to be in no hurry to get out of Iraq (nothing like the 1 to 2 brigades per month that Obama had said) and Barack Obama, a Democrat President, is escalating again in Afghanistan. He added 21,000 more troops back a few months ago which most seem to have forgotten all about. And with another 30,000 that will more than double Bush’s 47,000 in Afghanistan.

Would John McCain, if he had been elected, have withdrawn troops from Iraq any slower? I doubt it. Would John McCain be more than doubling Bush’s number of troops in Afghanistan? I doubt it.

What might well have been different is that McCain, like Bush, would probably not have fired McChrystal’s predecessor and brought in McChrystal with his almost “Code Pink” ROE.

MB4 on December 1, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Perhaps it can be said that Obama’s presidential priories were incorrect.
[Jan '09 > Executive order sign to close GITMO Jan '10]

[Late Nov ’08 – Mid Feb ’09 > $787 B Stimulus signed. Shovel ready! Most of stimulus to be released in 2010 (Mid-term elections}

[March ’09 AfPak starts and dithers on until – Dec ’09 > AfPak Theater decision to expedite deployment?

April ’09 – Cap & Trade > July ’09 passes House of Representative vote. No Senate vote to happen in ’09.

Feb ’09 thru October ’09 HR3200 > Nov ’09 passes House vote pending Senate voting for Dec ’09

Americannodash on December 1, 2009 at 7:08 PM

scalleywag on December 1, 2009 at 7:00 PM

That’s fair enough. My first comment was that I personally would wait to hear the speech first before ultimately making a judgment. However, my first inclination is to give Cheney the benefit of the doubt as opposed to Obama, based on their relative views regarding the mission and our troops.

Ultimately, now that a troop decision has been made and I, like so many others, have ripped it to shreds on policy grounds, strategy grounds and the like, tonight is about the troops on the ground in Afghanistan and the mission. I think 30K is better than nothing. Forty or eighty would have been better, but we need to get them there and let McChrystal and Petreaus get to work.

russcote on December 1, 2009 at 7:09 PM

WASN’T IT NICE TO SEE KERRY WALKING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE ALONE; ALONE; ALONE; ALONE!

Cybergeezer on December 1, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Frankly, I never thought a liberal as strident as The One would commit to Afghanistan as much as he has.

Please. The only reason he’s sending any troops at all is because he boxed himself in by calling Afghanistan the “necessary” or “just” war and by relentlessly trying to score political points off George Bush by accusing the Bush administration of having taken their eyes off the ball in Afghanistan and letting UBL get away. (Remember Barry’s silly boast during one debate that he would invade Pakistan and hunt down and kill UBL?).

After all his tough-talking b.s. about Afghanistan during the pre-election season, Barry could hardly afford to announce tonight to an increasingly disenchanted (with him) American public that he’d never actually meant a word of what he said.

AZCoyote on December 1, 2009 at 7:09 PM

The Obama Doctrine:

Create a surge that will last exactly 18 months which will allow militant Islam to have 18 months to recruit and resupply so they can retarget our troops then.

ConservativeTony on December 1, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Dick needs to go away. This policy was part of Obama’s election platform and he said he was going to do this. It’s not a shock or a turnaround and the deployment is even faster than McCrystal requested by nearly six months.

Failure in Afghanistan will have a direct impact on Pakistan. It is in our national interests to pull something off and against our national interests to fail here. Cheney is a partisan hack nowadays.

lexhamfox on December 1, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Glenn Beck reminded me tonight that General McChrystal’s original troop request was for 60,000. NOT “40,000″. He’s getting half, meaning Obama’s being halfassed about this too.

Making decisions is tough, isn’t it? Especially when you’ve skated for YEARS without making any of consequence. Now you see it, now you don’t, look under the peanut shell please…there you go, good little constituent…

bradley11 on December 1, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Sad but true, guys: If the parties were reversed here, you’d be all over the Democratic VP for trying to undermine the Republican president on the night of a speech announcing escalation.

Allahpundit on December 1, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Al Gore ran against Bush and complained that the election was stolen from him. If he criticized Bush on the eve of a major announcement regarding the war, it would be perceived as sour grapes. This is exactly how all war criticism of Bush HAS been interpreted by the GOP base. No Democrat has been guiltier of this than Barack Obama, who rode into the White House on a platform of history and not-Bushness. Look at you, AP, using your strawmen arguments and hypothetical scenarios.

alliebobbitt on December 1, 2009 at 7:15 PM

You have to nourish an someone like Obama…they can be molded by their own success and failure. If he thinks this is going to help him he will do the right thing. But you gotta lie to him and make him believe in himself. He can be a puppet on a string if you play it right or he wouldn’t have caved in the first place.

tomas on December 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Allah there is NO similarity.

Bush wasn’t going around blaming Democrats for his problems, Obama invokes Bush/Cheney on every speech it seems like.

If someone is out there badmouthing me, you can BET YOUR AZZ I will speak up. DC is no exception.

DavidM on December 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM

it is your sweet candy ass keeps me coming back for more, ap. jk. mwah.

Melba Toast on December 1, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Lawrence Eagelburger on Your World with Neil Cavuto, video he doesn’t think this troop build up is a good idea it isn’t even a drop in the bucket if the plan is to stabilize the region.

Dr Evil on December 1, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Glenn Beck reminded me tonight that General McChrystal’s original troop request was for 60,000. NOT “40,000″. He’s getting half, meaning Obama’s being halfassed about this too.
bradley11 on December 1, 2009 at 7:15 PM

I’m pretty sure it was 80,000…but who’s counting.

russcote on December 1, 2009 at 7:19 PM

If Obama isn’t committed, if he doesn’t tie his political future to victory, then we can’t let him put anymore troops in harm’s way and we should get the hell out of there right now. I think he’s going to do a big social experiment in Afghanistan and hundreds of troops will be sacrificed for his experiment, and then he’ll wave the white flag while claiming that he ended the war as a man of peace.

Buddahpundit on December 1, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Cheney didn’t say it today, the ‘outrage’ is manufactured.

Unless of course it now means “no criticism on the day before The One speaks”.

Cheney didn’t say it today. Maybe he said it yesterday, he might have said it Friday, but he didn’t say it today.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/30024.html

Jason Coleman on December 1, 2009 at 7:21 PM

will dear leader even say the word victory?

….doubt it

cmsinaz on December 1, 2009 at 7:23 PM

I don`t think we should be cutting him any slack. Everything he has done so far has been so destructive I have no doubts this speech will leave people everywhere with a blank face. He will probably try to promise everyone something in this speech and leave everyone clueless. If I am wrong on that and he is definitive and strong on his message of winning and backing the troops to the fullest, great! I think I will be sceptical and verify after he speaks. I have zero problems with Cheney speaking out now, I highly doubt it would change anything The One was going to say tonight, he is too arrogant to in his being right on everything to let that happen.

bluemarlin on December 1, 2009 at 7:24 PM

your being too kind.
rob verdi on December 1, 2009 at 6:36 PM

So was your second-grade teacher.

I am withholding judgement until after the president’s speech. If he doesn’t talk about winning/vicory and blames the previous administration yet again, I will stand with Mr. Cheney.
Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Courage.

Payback baby.IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Anti-intellectualism suits you.

The Race Card on December 1, 2009 at 7:25 PM

What the…… Cheney did not make this comment today but even if he did so what? They are half assing this just like they did Vietnam. He knows he can’t lose Afghanistan before the elections so he does the same thing that the stupid politicians did in ‘Nam. We lost 50,000+ men in Vietnam because of this kind of “dithering” so someone needs to speak out about it!

Vince on December 1, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Cheney didn’t say it today, the ‘outrage’ is manufactured.

Unless of course it now means “no criticism on the day before The One speaks”
Jason Coleman on December 1, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Everyone has to subordinate themselves on the eve of the 3 months delayed speech. All hail Obama, the bowers must bow to the bower.

fourdeucer on December 1, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Let’s just hope he is doing the right thing and that our troops are there to win and then they can come home.

scalleywag on December 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM

will there be a thread during this photo op? don’t know if I can listen to this without my HA family….

cmsinaz on December 1, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Frankly, I never thought a liberal as strident as The One would commit to Afghanistan as much as he has.

By my rough calculations he has spent 3 months dithering, will spend 6 months getting the extra troops in, and shortly thereafter will reverse the process for a grand exit finale during the summer of 2012 – before the November Prez election. Some commitment.

Buy Danish on December 1, 2009 at 7:34 PM

gopmom on December 1, 2009 at 6:59 PM

From what I understand the Red Cross mans both addresses. What I mean is a Red Cross volunteer opens all mail to be sure nothing harmful or hateful gets through.
Thanks for the alternate address though. Either one should work.

milwife88 on December 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Can we spare him a single night of high-profile criticism for that? Or am I being a Chamberlain-esque RINO candy ass again?

No, the Cover-girl in Chief deserves not a moment of silence.
on this dithered-to-hell, retcicent decision.

Before elected, he did nothing but say Afghanistan was the “real war” that was being neglected since 9/11. And that Iraq was a mistake. Then, in March, he names McChrystal as HIS commander in the theatre and says we’re ready to go.

Now, three months after his general asks for at least 40K troops, no exit ramps, he’ll announce just 30K with exit ramps out the ass.

Tonight, the war is his. And God bless our troops whom this other Chamberlain-esque candy ass is “commanding”.

TXUS on December 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM

I’ve knocked Obama for dithering too, but I’m closer to Dan Senor’s position than Cheney’s: Frankly, I never thought a liberal as strident as The One would commit to Afghanistan as much as he has. And while there are things I don’t like about his strategy, he’s closer to our position on the war than he is, say, Michael Moore’s. Can we spare him a single night of high-profile criticism for that? Or am I being a Chamberlain-esque RINO candy ass again?

Going out of your way to be “objective,” AP? You’re coming off like Bill O’Reilly.

And yes.

pugwriter on December 1, 2009 at 7:36 PM

I’ve said it before. STFU Cheney you traitorous scumbag.

Grow Fins on December 1, 200

I can only conclude from this that you now fully support the war in Afghanistan and want the US to be victorious over the Taliban. Which is a total about face for you…but whatever…welcome to the club after 6 years of opposing it.

AUINSC on December 1, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Payback baby.IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Anti-intellectualism suits you.

The Race Card on December 1, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Thank you!

IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Flipped my block quote up there.^ Time to break out the French coffee press.

pugwriter on December 1, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Or am I being a Chamberlain-esque RINO candy ass again?

Not again, still. I can’t believe you’re actually telling us we have to give Bowbamao a chance, when every time he opens his mouth he’s blaming his inadequacies on “Bush/Cheney” or “the previous administration.” If he doesn’t use those or similar) phrases at least three times in his speech, I’ll be very surprised.

rmgraha on December 1, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Whether he’s dithering indecisively or taking the calm, rational approach, the result is the same. Make a damn decision.

Jim Treacher on December 1, 2009 at 7:43 PM

AP I saw these comments by Cheney yesterday, it is not the eve of the big speech

ginaswo on December 1, 2009 at 7:44 PM

blaming his inadequacies on “Bush/Cheney” or “the previous administration.” If he doesn’t use those or similar) phrases at least three times in his speech, I’ll be very surprised.

rmgraha on December 1, 2009 at 7:43 PM

I think he’s gonna be slick and go with his new phrase—something like, “…for the past eight years.”

IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Yeah, Allah let’s give Obama a pass today because he’s giving a speech. He’s never done that before… He gets no mercy and no respite. He is a leftist evil destroying our nation. The criticism should never end and no meaningless speech full of empty promises and outright lies is going to change that. Chamberlain believed Hitler at his word and you believe Obama at his. ‘Nuff said.

chicagojedi on December 1, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Yes, you are.

outOfElement on December 1, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Whether he’s dithering indecisively or taking the calm, rational approach, the result is the same. Make a damn decision.

Jim Treacher on December 1, 2009 at 7:43 PM

He will, and quite nuanced and intentionally ambiguous it will be.

TXUS on December 1, 2009 at 7:49 PM

The Race Card on December 1, 2009 at 7:25 PM

LOL! What’s the matter, aren’t you speaking to yourself?

Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Heh! Mark Levin’s not on your side, AP. Listening now…

IrishEi on December 1, 2009 at 7:59 PM

After eight years of pre and post Bush (media abetted) speech spoiler attempts Cheney seems to be the only Conservative willing to take the fight to the enemy on this front.

Speakup on December 1, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Allahpundit on December 1, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Hate to break this to you,but our CINC does
suck. Big time.

katy the mean old lady on December 1, 2009 at 7:59 PM

0bama deserves all of the benefit of the doubt Al Gore would give George W Bush. We didn’t make the rules. If the lefties can’t play by them when they play defense, they need to put their big-girl panties on and man up.

Sekhmet on December 1, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Sending even 100K troops, without conviction, is no different than a photo op in front of caskets filled with fallen heroes.

God bless our men and women who protect us without regard to politics.

TXUS on December 1, 2009 at 8:03 PM

LOL! What’s the matter, aren’t you speaking to yourself?

Cindy Munford on December 1, 2009 at 7:49 PM

I can only speak for themselves.

The Race Card on December 1, 2009 at 8:05 PM

After eight years of pre and post Bush (media abetted) speech spoiler attempts Cheney seems to be the only Conservative willing to take the fight to the enemy on this front.

Speakup on December 1, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Yeah – to save his own ass…

AprilOrit on December 1, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Cheney – the original ditherer.

AprilOrit on December 1, 2009 at 8:09 PM

I have Mark Levin radio online.

As many of us predicted, far from making a compelling call for unity, Obama has already slammed Bush for the Iraq war and taking his eye off (as Obama and his ilk see it) Afghanistan.

But talking out of both sides of his mouth he talks about leaving Iraqis better off!

Obama now slamming Afghanistan for corruption and not doing enough.

Tollybon.

God bless Dick Cheney, is all I can say as this goes on.

KittyLowrey on December 1, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Well..watching Obama’s speech Allah…you ready to eat some major crow yet?

AUINSC on December 1, 2009 at 8:09 PM

After eight years of pre and post Bush (media abetted) speech spoiler attempts Cheney seems to be the only Conservative willing to take the fight to the enemy on this front. Speakup on December 1, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Yeah – to save his own ass… AprilOrit on December 1, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Umm… wut?

Pssst… Cheney’s not in office anymore.

Mojave Mark on December 1, 2009 at 8:13 PM

If President Obama would have listened to his generals months ago Cheney’s wonderings would be months late. It is President Obama whose timing is off.

waldensianspirit on December 1, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Cheney – the original ditherer.

AprilOrit on December 1, 2009 at 8:09 PM

How say?

unclesmrgol on December 1, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Yeah – to save his own ass…

AprilOrit on December 1, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Its not his ass you’re enamored with or have your nose in.

Speakup on December 1, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Oh, yeah…that evil Cheney…and BTW…this IS the LBJ Vietnam strategy isn’t it? Oh, and look at the faces of those Cadets too…they know this idiot is going to kill a lot of them. Again…out of Afghanistan by 2011..NO MATTER WHAT!

Geez!

AUINSC on December 1, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Sad but true, guys: If the parties were reversed here, you’d be all over the Democratic VP for trying to undermine the Republican president on the night of a speech announcing escalation.

Allahpundit on December 1, 2009 at 6:23 PM

That’s nothing in comparison to how the Jackass-in-Chief sniping at the Bush administration about how the Iraq War was handled – at this very moment.

Buy Danish on December 1, 2009 at 8:18 PM

“Or am I being a Chamberlain-esque RINO candy ass again?”

Another post, another piece of AP candy-assing. Cheney has been clear in ripping him for the lies about Bush’s lack of hand-off strategy, about taking X-months to Get a Round Tuit, to stop posing for GQ on the stages of the world instead of getting tough and acting like a CIC.

Sometimes I wonder who you work for.

leftnomore on December 1, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Cheney – the original ditherer.

AprilOrit on December 1, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Maybe April needs a Dicktionary.

leftnomore on December 1, 2009 at 8:21 PM

On the very day that Obama defies his base

You’re being quite magnanimous tonight. He’s not defying his base. He’s giving them what they ultimately want. A defeated, demoralized military.

SouthernGent on December 1, 2009 at 8:21 PM

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