Audio: Cheney knocks Obama on eve of war speech

posted at 6:12 pm on December 1, 2009 by Allahpundit

On the very day that Obama defies his base and tries to rally flagging support for a cause most conservatives claim to believe in, here’s Cheney deciding it’d be a good time to wonder aloud in front of reporters how committed the commander-in-chief is to the cause. Gore ranted about Bush’s war policies too, of course, although as I recall, even he didn’t use the surge announcement as an occasion to undermine confidence in the president. I’d love to ride to DC’s defense here, guys, but after knocking Thompson and Beck for preaching Hopenchange-determined defeatism, the best I can do is offer you this link to Goldfarb:

When Cheney goes after the president, the president starts making unforced political errors. More than that though, Cheney’s attacks seem to push Obama into a more positive direction on policy. No doubt, the White House considered how Cheney would respond to Obama’s speech tonight. Cheney’s critique of Obama as “dithering” on the decision may have expedited it, and his critique of Obama as insufficiently clear in his commitment to the mission may force Obama to dig in a lot deeper than he’d like — which is a good thing.

Yes, but there’s a time and place for that, and that time and place isn’t the day Obama’s calling for national unity against a common enemy, especially when the White House is explicitly invoking continuity with Bush’s own war effort. If it’s true that Cheney retains enough political capital to move The One rightward on foreign policy then he shouldn’t want to squander any of that capital needlessly, and yet trying to horn in on Obama’s speech is inevitably going to do that. (It also arguably makes things much harder for the GOP’s message machine.) I’ve knocked Obama for dithering too, but I’m closer to Dan Senor’s position than Cheney’s: Frankly, I never thought a liberal as strident as The One would commit to Afghanistan as much as he has. And while there are things I don’t like about his strategy, he’s closer to our position on the war than he is, say, Michael Moore’s. Can we spare him a single night of high-profile criticism for that? Or am I being a Chamberlain-esque RINO candy ass again?


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The moron craps his shorts when Cheney says something.

I wish Darth would sink his choopers into the fascism, health scare, and global warming cram-downs.

THAT would be progress.

notagool on December 1, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Or am I being a Chamberlain-esque RINO candy ass again?

I hate to say it..but after seeing this sad speech…yes you are.

AUINSC on December 1, 2009 at 8:25 PM

….. And while there are things I don’t like about his strategy, he’s closer to our position on the war than he is, say, Michael Moore’s. Can we spare him a single night of high-profile criticism for that? ….

In a word: No. If we take the pressure off he’s liable to be even weaker and more dithering.

Jill1066 on December 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM

You’re being quite magnanimous tonight. He’s not defying his base. He’s giving them what they ultimately want. A defeated, demoralized military.

SouthernGent on December 1, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Ding.

baldilocks on December 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM

If it is in our interest to keep the Taliban and Al Queda from controlling Afghanistan today, it will still be in our interest 18 months from now. Announcing an end date just gives would be allies pause and the Taliban hope they can wait us out. Giving the General only 30K intead of the 40 asked for also does not appear determination.

The one thing I hoped for that hasn’t been discussed is the lousy pay Afghan soldiers get. You can make more working for the enemy. If we want to build the Afghan army, pay them enough that everyone will want to join up with us. If you cannot buy Afghanistan, at least be willing to pay the highest rent.

KW64 on December 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM

am I being a Chamberlain-esque RINO candy ass again?

Well, yes since you ask.

MsDollie on December 1, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Alpha Male shreds Beta Male is how this could be described.

So no surprise how the shredding is viewed here at HA.

Points to ponder:

1. If I understand correctly, Obama announces he is sending more troops, and at the same says, “but ya, we’re pullin’ ‘em out in 2011.” Courtsey wink to the peaceful freedome fighters. Oh yes I am sure that the Taliban and Jihadi’s got the message, that being: “Obama is sending troops as a gesture of strength, without a long term commitment for victory.”

This is the stuff of Beta Male dreams. Brandishing the sword while winking at your foe.

2. It’s no surprise to anyone that Cheney thinks Obama is flat out wrong. Dog bites man.

3. Cheney’s vocal opposition to Obama prevents Obama from capitalizing on his troop surge posturing as he disguises his lack of decision making and his lack of commitment to victory. Obama is using the troops as a prop. He doesn’t believe in this surge. He won’t even admit the surge in Iraq worked, hell, in fact, that is a major inconvenience to Obama.

We’re either in long term or out now. Obama rides the fence; another shared posture of some folks hereabouts.

In the words of General U. S. Grant, “Where the enemy goes, there you will go also.”

If we’re out now, the only saving grace to that would be an America with a credible reputation for the use of force, something the Beta-Male-In-Chief has already neutered from our diplomatic arsenal.

Imagine yourself as a Marine, being sent to Afghanistan as a prop for Obama’s missing Alpha-gene. You know you are just there as show, that no matter your efforts, you will be pulled out in 3 years time.

I’d love to be wrong, but I’ll call a spade a spade.

Montana on December 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Too easy…Cheney and just about everyone else knows what limp-wristed Commie junk is going to come out of The Precedent’s mouth before the teleprompters even get warmed up.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 1, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Cheney v. Obama= Alpha v. Beta really does sum it up. It is a good idea for Cheney to goad the thin-skinned Obama in into acting responsibly, as he doesn’t seem to have many adults around him lending him their experience.

As noted, Obama (and the Democrat party), have painted themselves into a corner with their previous “we will fight any war but the one currently being waged” politics, and are now trying to avoid looking like the craven hypocrites that they are.

trl on December 2, 2009 at 5:54 AM

He’s Dick Cheney and you’re “Allahpundit”. There’s your answer.

LtE126 on December 2, 2009 at 7:28 AM

ObaMao obviously has needed a stern father-figure in his rearing, Dick Cheney is the appropriate one to put some steel in ObaMao’s spine and offer some suasion to make the president grow up.

ObaMao has wasted much time in reaching a conclusion and presenting his policy. The nonsense of many of his other priorities in the interim since March demonstrates how unwillingly he has reached his decision to honor his chosen general’s plan and how much campaign politics, not concern for national security and a robust victory over hostile forces, is the determinant of ObaMao’s behavior.

Dick Cheney is the authority figure that the adolescent Obama requires to guide. Unfortunately for us, DC is the authority figure that O kicks against in passive rebellion.

onlineanalyst on December 2, 2009 at 9:25 AM

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greataunty on December 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM

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