Comments on: Swiss minister: The minaret ban is aimed at fundamentalists, not all Muslims

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By: discojoe

discojoe — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:34:41 +0000

Their country. They can discriminate as much as they want to against the Islamic takeover of Europe. There is nothing wrong with preserving your own culture by banning aspects of other cultures in your own community.

By: Badger40

Badger40 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:08:47 +0000

When Muslims can’t build houses of worship in the style they wish – in a way that does no harm to anyone – it’s a “minimalist approach”.

Got it.

orange on December 1, 2009 at 11:53 AM

When a political ideology masks itself as a religion (a very violent & intolerant one)- anything they say or do is suspect.
Any ‘religion’ that demands the subjugation or death of one who will not convert should be banned in all freedom-loving countries.
Islam is not a religion. Only of death.
Read the Koran that is their unholy text and you will be enlightened.

By: Badger40

Badger40 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:01:35 +0000

Perhaps if Islam didn’t preach such violence to ALL muslims, fundamentalist or not, then we wouldn’t have to have this dicussion.
Notice there aren’t huge mobs of rampaging murderous Jews & Christians all over the world vowing to kill unbelievers.
The Swiss may be starting to wake up, but it may be too late.
And is the world’s moderate muslims did a better job of cleaning up their own internal conflicitng mess, then this crap wouldn’t be necessary.
No-all of Islam basically agrees with getting rid of infidels-they just differ a little in how to accomplish that feat.

By: old trooper2

old trooper2 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:47:59 +0000

Aim it All at ALL of Islam.
Before they destroy Civilization.

By: orange

orange — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:53:43 +0000

I think it’s a minimalist approach

Hilarious. Whenever anybody tries to keep the Ten Commandments out of a court house, it’s a WAR ON CHRISTIANS. When a Christmas tree in a public space has to stand next to other religious displays, it’s a WAR ON CHRISTMAS.

When Muslims can’t build houses of worship in the style they wish – in a way that does no harm to anyone – it’s a “minimalist approach”.

Got it.

By: bridgetown

bridgetown — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:57:35 +0000

Building codes discriminate, and rightly so. Problem solved.

It’s why there’s no church steeples in Saudi Arabia.
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locomotivebreath1901 on December 1, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Nope, sorry, wrong. In Saudi Arabia it has NOTHING to do with ‘building codes’. They strictly forbid the worship of any other religion besides Islam. Look it up.

By: venividivici

venividivici — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:17:32 +0000

might there be a Muslim commenter to disagree with any previous post, or is this a one-sided conversation?

disillusioned on December 1, 2009 at 3:00 AM

Even if I was a Muslim myself, I’d say the same things about Islam, because I arrive at conclusions by reason, not tradition or because my parents or the society in which I grew up told me something. Any reasonable person should be for the elimination of the ideology known as “Islam” from this planet.

By: venividivici

venividivici — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:04:16 +0000

Can you provide context or sources to your statements?

disillusioned on December 1, 2009 at 2:20 AM

Google “sweden rape muslim”, dude.

By: locomotivebreath1901

locomotivebreath1901 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:56:28 +0000

Exit answer: Building codes. Plain & simple. The existing minarets aren’t banned. Worship isn’t banned. Immigration isn’t banned.

Building codes discriminate, and rightly so. Problem solved.

It’s why there’s no church steeples in Saudi Arabia.
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By: Lourdes

Lourdes — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:58:38 +0000

Switzerland still maintains a voting process that allows citizens to vote on referendum issues, such as this ban on minarets.

The Swiss voted on their own behalf about their own country. Their decision needs to be respected.

By: Lourdes

Lourdes — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:56:49 +0000

No Muslim is being told they must abandon their relgiion or practice of such in Switzerland, by Switzerland.

It’s the towers (or minarets) that the voters of Switzerland decided they didn’t want to see in Switzerland.

Those towers were/are designed for the sole purpose of providing a stand from whence “the Muslim call to prayer” five times a day could be exclaimed to the public.

Since most Muslims and everyone else has watches toeday and clocks at home, etc., they can easily determine when they are to go to a mosque (or anywhere else).

The TOWERS serve no other purpose than to boom out that call to prayer, and in a non-Muslim majority enviromment, it’s intrusive to some. I agree with that…

But this is a great example of just how it is that Muslims rage against any small act that any others take to assert their own cultures and beliefs. If a Muslim wants to live in Switzerland, live there legally if possible but don’t set out to change the place into Baghdad.

I repeat, Switzerland has not placed restrictions on Muslims practicing their beliefs. They’re just restricting building these towers in Switzerland.

Having been there and having ancestors there, the views are of primary importance and worth/value to the Swiss, and, it’s a small country geographically. I think their ban on minarets is smart and should be respected.

By: albill

albill — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:41:21 +0000

Just curious…would anyone be having these discussions or would there even been a topic here on Hot Air if a Muslim nation banned Christian or other religion`s symbols from a Muslim country?

Or would it be, “Oh they are a Muslim country, its okay, they can ban Christian and other religion`s symbols”.

By: aengus

aengus — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:15:44 +0000

If you’re going to make a move like this, why not at least tie it to the sort of discrimination non-Muslims routinely experience in the Muslim world? E.g., “One new minaret will be permitted for every church built in Saudi Arabia”? At least that way the scrutiny is shared.

No I don’t agree with that. How can any country make its laws conditional on what some other country, thousands of miles away, does? Switzerland is a nation, not a political project.

Plus, minarets are an optional feature on mosques.

By: Army Brat

Army Brat — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:06:11 +0000

The 60 most dangerous Questions for Muslims to hear…cause it pisses them off.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-questions.htm

might there be a Muslim commenter to disagree with any previous post, or is this a one-sided conversation?

disillusioned on December 1, 2009 at 3:00 AM

It is difficult to defend the indefensible. Many have tried. All have failed. It ends in obscenity and personal attack…racism etc…
I’ve hung around at Jihadwatch long enough to have seen the many forms that the defense of islam can take. I see it as coming down to the source…mo. (Piss Be Upon Him) He, in my most humble opinion, lacks credibility.

By: Jay Mac

Jay Mac — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:48:03 +0000

Sorry for co fusing you and Ed, AP. And the point I thought should be highlighted in the main article is the fact that the minaret is not solely a religious symbol but a political one too, signifying Islam’s dominance over the region in which it is raised.

The Swiss evidently understand this but it seems far too many are unaware.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/08/swiss-government-pro-minaret.html

By: disillusioned

disillusioned — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:00:52 +0000

might there be a Muslim commenter to disagree with any previous post, or is this a one-sided conversation?

By: Army Brat

Army Brat — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:45:36 +0000

Your attitude towards islam or your lack of attitude matters not one wit.
When push comes to shove, you have three options. Convert, submit or die.
See how Christians live in Saudi Arabia…oh wait. You’ll have a hard time finding any that aren’t on a State leash. They are arrested and deported for practicing Christianity there. Images in movies that have the cross or any sign of Christianity are blurred or censored altogether. Strange to see Crusaders with blurred shields and emblems on their chests. Christian obscenities to be censored lest they offend the muslim supremacist.
When the population of muslims within a nation reaches the point where the muslims are the majority, that nation becomes an islamic one by default. sharia law takes hold and personal freedom ends.
Where do you draw the line on cancer? Do you tolerate it in your toe as long as it stays there only? At what point does the disease become actionable?
At the start I say. No to special areas in public buildings for muslims only to pray in. No foot baths in airports, schools or work places. The line must be drawn before the first step is taken.
I do not hate muslims, I hate what their religion does to free men. It enslaves them and makes cattle of their women.
The religion will not police itself. This much is clear. Surely a billion good muslims could end the violence carried out by the few “misunderstanders of islam” that spill Blood and spread Death in the name of a meaningless, randomly chosen moon god called allah.
They choose not to. They turn a blind eye to their more enthusiastic brothers and sisters habit of killing and maiming to spread islam by the sword.
One can hate the sin and not the sinner…and islam has got to go. It will not change as long as good muslims remain silent when they see the violence and hatred preached by their imams and ayatoilets manifest itself in murder at the hands of their neighbors. They have had ample time and nothing has changed. The last 1400 years prove it.

No islam
Know Peace.
Know islam
Throw up.
This so called religion excreted from the mind of a perverted mass murdering desert bandit to allow him to explore his deviant sexual appetites and enrich himself

By: disillusioned

disillusioned — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:20:56 +0000

venividivici on December 1, 2009 at 1:08 AM

Can you provide context or sources to your statements?

By: tneloms

tneloms — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:34:31 +0000

AP, why would it be unconstitutional in the US when we are every day banning crosses and Christian displays?

ThackerAgency on November 30, 2009 at 9:18 PM

The *government* is banned from displaying crosses and Christian displays, due to the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.

This ban is totally different — it bans *private* entities from displaying something religious. It’s not even remotely the same.

By: Connie

Connie — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:13:31 +0000

RightOFLeft on December 1, 2009 at 12:53 AM

It’s not that simple. Study Islam. I used to have the idea that Islam was “just another religion.” I started studying it for reasons other than 9/11. Frankly, it took me less than 2 weeks to be able to understand the propaganda you are being fed.

By: DL13

DL13 — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:11:24 +0000

What about Nazis? How about the KKK?

Shy Guy on December 1, 2009 at 12:13 AM
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You are right; perhaps I should have included them in my sarcasm, but, my main attack was on the way the Muslims, Atheists etc are given precedence over the laws of our land, which are based on our Judeo-Christian heritage. Enjoy.

By: venividivici

venividivici — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:08:04 +0000

I can’t believe conservatives are cheering this on. The same conservatives who flip out at any suggestion they don’t respect religious liberty.

RightOFLeft on December 1, 2009 at 12:53 AM

I’m sure the Swedes made the same arguments back in the early days of Muslim immigration to Sweden. I bet they’re having second thoughts now that their daughters are getting gang-raped by Muslim men who consider them infidel whores for not wearing burkas when they’re outside.

Do you people have no survival instinct?

By: RightOFLeft

RightOFLeft — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:53:54 +0000

I can’t believe conservatives are cheering this on. The same conservatives who flip out at any suggestion they don’t respect religious liberty.

By: disillusioned

disillusioned — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:22:24 +0000

That is what a democracy is all about.

DL13 on December 1, 2009 at 12:08 AM

So the question becomes, when does democracy conflict with a given constitution.