Quotes of the day

posted at 10:30 pm on November 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

“Now notice something curious: not one of the initial publicly identified signatories of the Manhattan Declaration is Mormon…

“That degree of commitment might seem to entitle you to a seat at the table. But no. The framers of the Manhattan Declaration say they ‘act together in obedience to the one true God, the triune God.’ Mormons do not accept the concept of God as three-in-one…

“The next wave of social conservatism is presenting itself as a particularly Christian cause, with Christian defined in a way that would exclude not only Mitt Romney, but also the man who created Tiny Tim and Ebenezer Scrooge. (Charles Dickens was a Unitarian, not a Trinitarian.) For that matter, neither George Washington, nor John Adams, nor Thomas Jefferson, nor Abraham Lincoln was a believer in the Trinitarian God of the Manhattan Declaration…

“Mormon America has provided leadership and support for conservative politics out of all proportion to its numbers. If there’s a test for conservative identity that excludes Mormons, it’s not a good test. And if conservatism has shrunk too small to contain conservative Mormons, it is not only Mormons who will search for something bigger.”


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mittcare has nothing to do with religion. idiots

unseen on November 30, 2009 at 10:34 PM

here we go.

I_C on November 30, 2009 at 10:34 PM

OMG…..not a MORMON!!!!

*runs away screaming*

The Ugly American on November 30, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Frum tries desperately to drive a wedge into any little crevice he can find.

Bishop on November 30, 2009 at 10:37 PM

It’s their right to be closed-minded.

Occam says it’s because they’re being stupid, not because they’re trying to be jerks.

Also, who declared them the model of conservatism?

Mew

acat on November 30, 2009 at 10:38 PM

identitiy politics alive and well i see…

trailortrash on November 30, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Yuck, another Frum piece. I can’t even read the whole thing. Romeny has RomneyCare just like Huckabee has clemency.

deidre on November 30, 2009 at 10:39 PM

A hot wind blows across the desert. A weak reed shakes and falls into the dust. Nothing frum nothing.
Randy

williars on November 30, 2009 at 10:40 PM

mittcare has nothing to do with religion. idiots

unseen on November 30, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Sure you want to be calling people idiots today, Ace? You haven’t been doing so well here.

Proud Rino on November 30, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Frum, misses again…

The Manhatan Declaration is NOT about Party politics… its about broad public policy, and that sector of the Religious faithful declaring that they can and will organize.

As long as Romney follows their basic Policy points… it won’t matter what religion he is. You can support an ALLY, even if they are not part of your group.

Romeo13 on November 30, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Liberals stirring up the primaries again.

Not this time.

Starlink on November 30, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Of course, that actually didn’t happen last time – last time, Rush Limbaugh had “Operation Chaos” since the Republican primary was decided early on, and the Democratic primary was the one that “mattered.” That *will* happen in 2012 whether you like it or not, since Obama will definitely be getting the Democratic nomination short of something extraordinary happening.

Proud Rino on November 30, 2009 at 10:41 PM

“Mormon America has provided leadership and support for conservative politics out of all proportion to its numbers.”

Harry Reid is available for comment…

… for a campaign contribution.

Seven Percent Solution on November 30, 2009 at 10:41 PM

unseen. Worst of the worst. Ugh.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 10:42 PM

I don’t care if he worships crop circles. I wouldn’t vote for him.

sabu on November 30, 2009 at 10:42 PM

DUDE WHY ISN’T ANYONE INVESTIGATING THE PARTY CRASHERS. THEY WERE ON THE LIST BUT NOT “THE LIST”.

Are we all sheep here???

Indian Outlaw on November 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM

it won’t matter what religion he is.

Riiiight. I mean, he could be Muslim and it wouldn’t matter, right?

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM

It is the biggest story glazed over by all.

Indian Outlaw on November 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Keith Olbermann gives his first anti-Messiah “Speshul Komment” and we get David Frum? Pffft.

Marcus on November 30, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Frum is so thoughtful and erudite…./

d1carter on November 30, 2009 at 10:45 PM

They weren’t making a statement as political conservatives, or as Republicans.

exception on November 30, 2009 at 10:45 PM

it won’t matter what religion he is.

Riiiight. I mean, he could be Muslim and it wouldn’t matter, right?

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Not as much as being a Pentecostal mattered to you dimwits.

ddrintn on November 30, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Perhaps the Mormons should look to the demorat party for membership, considering that both they and the President are against gay marriage.

Hope and change and green effin shoots.

Bishop on November 30, 2009 at 10:47 PM

awww come on. this bait ain’t gonna work tonight AP.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Like many Republicans, I have many questions about Mitt Romney’s bid for party leadership. They all relate to his public record and his civic convictions. I don’t share his religious views. But is it not disturbing that in the United States in the 21st century a man of unquestioned personal rectitude should feel compelled to say, as Romney said in December 2007:

“If I am fortunate to become your president, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest. A president must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States.

===========================================================

Well,once again,its goona either be Mormon bashing
or Christian bashing by the Left!!

This feels like Groundhog Day movie leading up to 2012!!

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Romeny has RomneyCare just like Huckabee has clemency.

deidre on November 30, 2009 at 10:39 PM

CNN & Frum are hoping we don’t get that.

INC on November 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Stirring up a cat fight among religions is an excellent way to fragment an otherwise solid, diversified group. Sadly, Republicans are nowhere near a solid group, and neither are the Democrats. In fact, they’re both so fragmented that any little wedge driven deep enough causes yet another uncivil political war.

GoldenEagle4444 on November 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Well,once again,its goona either be Mormon bashing
or Christian bashing by the Left!!

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 10:49 PM

The Left wasn’t Romney’s problem.

Proud Rino on November 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Perhaps the Mormons should look to the demorat party for membership, considering that both they and the President are against gay marriage.

Hope and change and green effin shoots.

Bishop on November 30, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Apparently you missed the newest memo

It looked like a stunning reversal: the same church that helped defeat gay marriage in California standing with gay-rights activists on an anti-discrimination law in its own backyard.

On Tuesday night, after a series of clandestine meetings between local gay-rights backers and Mormons in Salt Lake City, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced it would support proposed city laws that would prohibit discrimination against gays in housing and employment.

They seem to be changing their stance….slowly.

deidre on November 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Frum, you idiot.

Use the full title next time: “Manhattan Declaration: A Call of Christian Conscience”

In other breaking news, the Pope is still Catholic.

One final note- perhaps the fact that the initial sentence of the article you linked is “Catholic, Orthodox and Evangelical Christian leaders last week issued a bold political statement” would seem to indicate this would perhaps refer to the Trinitarian faith of these groups, rather than Mormonism, Sikhism etc. At least, it would indicate that to readers with more than two brain cells to rub together.

cs89 on November 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Sorry to bust the link. But Allah, if you want to make a name for yourself:
A: Secret Service would never let someone in unless they were told to, by higher ups.
B: hte crahsers connections are too high profile to ignore.
C: open and transparent is aload we all know is false.
I am no neocon but please for the love of god stop following the heard. They got in for a reason, find out why.

Indian Outlaw on November 30, 2009 at 10:53 PM

it won’t matter what religion he is.
Riiiight. I mean, he could be Muslim and it wouldn’t matter, right?

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Grow Fins! Here ya go,in Obama’s own words!

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=9701

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Frum is trying to create controversy where there is no controversy.
Desperation for traffic and attention.

Frum has not heard of Glenn Beck apparently. He’s super popular with many conservatives.

As for Romney, it won’t help him when the likes of David Frum is endorsing him.

cubachi on November 30, 2009 at 10:55 PM

The Left wasn’t Romney’s problem.

Proud Rino on November 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Of course it was. The MSM highlighted Romney’s “unusual” faith every chance they got. Romney was considered the biggest and potentially most successful threat to Teh One.

ddrintn on November 30, 2009 at 10:55 PM

The Left wasn’t Romney’s problem.

Proud Rino on November 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Pround Rino: You might have a point!:)

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Yeah, let’s pretend all the hostility towards Mitt during the 08 campaign was because of policy, and not religion. Uh huh.

Let’s just forget about those daily 500-comment threads on Hot Air alone full of anti-mormon diatribes.

You can pretend like it didn’t happen — but plenty won’t forget that loud and clear message: Mormons ain’t welcome by many of you. Rather a Marxist than a Mormon, is the apparent preference.

Particularly by the social cons who are otherwise doing a great job of marring conservatism and the conservative movement. It’s hard to bring people to the conservative fold when your loudest ‘members’ see no contradiction with their nanny state theocratic tendencies, and the liberty/small government ideals they pretend to support.

jjraines on November 30, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Of course it was. The MSM highlighted Romney’s “unusual” faith every chance they got. Romney was considered the biggest and potentially most successful threat to Teh One.

ddrintn on November 30, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Yeah, but “The Left” was busy with their own primary. Romney was out of the race not because of some newspaper articles about his face, but because he got crushed in the South, in the GOP primary with GOP voters. And you know why.

Proud Rino on November 30, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Of course it was. The MSM highlighted Romney’s “unusual” faith every chance they got. Romney was considered the biggest and potentially most successful threat to Teh One.

ddrintn on November 30, 2009 at 10:55 PM

ddrintn:I think he was referring to some on the right!:)

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 10:58 PM

You’re not helping Allah, or Romney.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of David Frum.

Feel free to wretch, that does help.

Speakup on November 30, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Right now, would anyone here really care if a conservative candidate practiced voodoo, as long as he/she was a devoted practitioner of “voodoo economics”?

red winger on November 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM

mittcare has nothing to do with religion. idiots

unseen on November 30, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Sure you want to be calling people idiots today, Ace? You haven’t been doing so well here.

Proud Rino on November 30, 2009 at 10:40 PM

unseen. Worst of the worst. Ugh.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 10:42 PM

It sounds like Unseen bashed some troll heads together in another thread….

FloatingRock on November 30, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Riiiight. I mean, he could be Muslim and it wouldn’t matter, right?

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM

If you bother to read what they are trying to say, instead of your “Progresive” ideas of what you THINK they are saying…

No, they probably would not support a Moslem, as the coalition seems to be about freedom of relgion… while Islam is just the opposite…

I’m not a Christian… and I have no problem with these folks… nor Mormons… nor Jews… nor other Christians… or Buhdists…

But any Religion which will, and HAS, shot at me in the name of their Religion? I gots a problem with.

Romeo13 on November 30, 2009 at 11:03 PM

OH Gawd this is funny!!!

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=11806

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Mitt’s Mormon beliefs are just about the only thing he hasn’t changed his opinion/position on over the years…..

Intrepid on November 30, 2009 at 11:04 PM

but because he got crushed in the South, in the GOP primary with GOP voters. And you know why.

Proud Rino on November 30, 2009 at 10:58 PM

QFT

They seem to be changing their stance….slowly.

deidre on November 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Or, like most, they don’t hate gays, just don’t support gay marriage.

jjraines on November 30, 2009 at 11:06 PM

unseen on November 30, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Sure you want to be calling people idiots today, Ace? You haven’t been doing so well here.

Proud Rino on November 30, 2009 at 10:40 PM

unseen. Worst of the worst. Ugh.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Proud Rino/Grow Fins (One & the same person) logging on and off in order to agreeing with himself.

Pathetic.

Norwegian on November 30, 2009 at 11:07 PM

That David Frum sure is a good conservative. Always stirring the pot amongst us. I wonder, is he from the USA? Was he born here? USSR? Sent to KGB finishing school to stir up discontent among (Zombie) Reagan conservatives? Just curious. Why are we our own worst enemy?

alohapundit on November 30, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Romney is never going to be appealing in certain parts of this country. However, I would say that Palin and Huckabee would never be appealing in certain segments of this country either. If Palin chooses to run in 2012 she probably won’t have much of a chance in early states like New Hampshire and Michigan.

I’m an Evangelical but I realize when it comes to voting you’re not voting for a theologian. Pure and simple. Heck, I thought George W. Bush (a born again Christian and favorite of the evangelicals) held/holds plenty of views that contradict the Bible… still voted for him. They are not running to be Theologian-in-Chief.

terryannonline on November 30, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Right now, would anyone here really care if a conservative candidate practiced voodoo, as long as he/she was a devoted practitioner of “voodoo economics”?

red winger on November 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM

red winger: Ugh! Why did you bring up Voo Doo!

Well,theres that little detail that the Left tried to get
traction on Sarah Palin,having a vistor Witch Doctor visit
her church!

The left had a meltdown!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZKKwct4cw&feature=related

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Let’s just forget about those daily 500-comment threads on Hot Air alone full of anti-mormon diatribes.

jjraines on November 30, 2009 at 10:57 PM

I participated in many threads at that time, reading all or most of the comments, and only remember a very tiny minority that expressed anti-Mormon biases, and they were all, (as in both, or all three), Huckabee supporters.

If you pretend to claim otherwise, you should be able to find ample proof in only five to ten minutes using Googles advanced search feature, specifying HotAir as the domain. I’ll hold my breath. /sarc

FloatingRock on November 30, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Yeah, but “The Left” was busy with their own primary. Romney was out of the race not because of some newspaper articles about his face, but because he got crushed in the South, in the GOP primary with GOP voters. And you know why.

Proud Rino on November 30, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Did Romney win in Iowa or New Hampshire? They’re not Southern bigots.

ddrintn on November 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM

deidre on November 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM

The Mormon church hasn’t changed their stance at all. The are wholely dedicated to keeping marriage between a man and a women. They have said time and again that they will support civil unions and other equal rights measures but will not support gay marriage.

The following articles help clearly explain the church’s view on homosexuality, gay marriage, and religous freedom.

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/religious-freedom

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/public-issues/same-gender-attraction

profgubler on November 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM

To borrow a phrase:

“It’s the economy, stupid.”

Let’s leave religion out of it altogether. Lower taxes, smaller government, and less government meddling in our lives and in economic matters best left to market forces should be platform enough to crush the incompetent boobs that are in charge now.

Let’s concentrate on saving our nation first, instead of rehashing arguments that have been fought over and again for decades.

Let’s fight the common enemy that is liberalism and radicalism that has infested our federal government before we thrash out the details.

hillbillyjim on November 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Once again AP gives undue exposure to the moron David Frum who nobody cares about.

echosyst on November 30, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Remind me again why Americans should care what a Canadian thinks about their country?

Frum needs to go build an igloo or whatever it is they do up in Canada.

tetriskid on November 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Proud Rino/Grow Fins (One & the same person) logging on and off in order to agreeing with himself.

Pathetic.

Norwegian on November 30, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Norwegian: Terrific,I’m communicating with Cybil!:)

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Rush is right yet again. The only people that care about labels are 1) Liberals and 2) “Conservatives” like David Frum and David Brooks. These people would go on News Hour with Jim Lehrer to put down real conservatives quicker than you can say Kau Inoa. I have no use for them and I am getting extremely sick their “useful idiocy”.

alohapundit on November 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Remind me again why Americans should care what a Canadian thinks about their country?

Frum needs to go build an igloo or whatever it is they do up in Canada.

tetriskid on November 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM

tetriskid: As a Canadian,you do have a point!

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:18 PM

Remind me again why Americans should care what a Canadian thinks about their country?

Frum needs to go build an igloo or whatever it is they do up in Canada.

tetriskid on November 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Oh, come on. Frum is an American citizen. I don’t like him either, but we can make intelligent criticism.

Emily M. on November 30, 2009 at 11:18 PM

It’s not easy for Romney to be a Mormon after all. Not only is it tough politics but he has to accept as fact that the American Indians are all Hebrews by descent. Not easy in this day and age of DNA research.

(Hint: There’s not a molecule of Hebrew DNA in any pre-Columbian Native Americans.)

Mojave Mark on November 30, 2009 at 11:19 PM

As a Mormon I understand why most Christians believe in the Trinity; not the least of these is John 4:24.

God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

This passage used to trouble me until I realized that it was Christ who was speaking. That even made me giggle.

Those who believe in the triune God also believe that Christ is God.

If
Christ is God and “God is a Spirit”= God has no body
Then
Did Christ have a body at the time he said that He had no body?

Not a reasonable conclusion.

Greek has not articles. In fact in Greek “God is a Spirit” actually reads; “Spirit God”. The word “Spirit” could actually be translated as “Spiritual”. Perhaps a more accurate translation could be rendered; “God is Spiritual”. This is far more reasonable than Christ stating that he does not have a body while he clearly has a living body.

This translation does not give either side an advantage; however, it is far more reasonable.

The Rock on November 30, 2009 at 11:19 PM

it won’t matter what religion he is.

Riiiight. I mean, he could be Muslim and it wouldn’t matter, right?

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM
I guess not, since we have one. You don’t bow down to a saudi prince unless that is your background and schooling.

Bambi on November 30, 2009 at 11:19 PM

As a conservative Catholic, I don’t have any problem voting for a Mormon provided he/she is okay on the issues. I’ve voted for at least one Mormon in my life and don’t regret that vote. It’s the flip-flopping on abortion and the Romneycare that I have a huge problem with when it comes to Mitt Romney, particularly the abortion flipping. I’m primarily a single issue voter. I always vote for the candidate that I think would do the best at combatting abortion. For me, that’s Sarah Palin. As a former crisis pregnancy counselor, I’m convinced that having her in the White House would bring about a significant decline in the abortion rate, particularly among career women. It’s time to stop with the notion that women need abortions to make it in a “man’s world”. Even if no abortion laws were changed under a Palin administration, we would make great strides in the country when it comes to effectively reducing abortions. Abortion does not empower women. It oppresses them. “I need this promotion, so I’d better have an abortion” is brutally oppressive to women. I’ve devoted a lot to helping women in crisis pregnancy situations. A Palin administration would, just by virtue of its existence, uplift women in a profound way. It’s time for Palin.

gocatholic on November 30, 2009 at 11:19 PM

From what I hear, if you go to a Mormon sermon, what you hear is Christ, Christ, Christ, do the right thing, love your neighbor, Atonement, Atonement, Atonement…. Most Christians would feel pretty comfortable there, I think. I’ve never gone. You can’t get into their temples if you’re not Mormon, but you can go to their Sunday services.

RBMN on November 30, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Remind me again why Americans should care what a Canadian thinks about their country?

Frum needs to go build an igloo or whatever it is they do up in Canada.

tetriskid on November 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Frum’s inadequacies have nothing to do with his country of origin. He has his head so far up his own ass that he can’t fart without blowing his nose.

Canada is our friend and ally, and their politics have been trending right of late, as well.

Don’t blame Frum on Canada; blame Frum on Frum. He’s just a self-important dolt.

hillbillyjim on November 30, 2009 at 11:21 PM

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Oh man, I honestly forgot about that guy.

red winger on November 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM

So Daid Frum, an Obama shill, is giving advice on what constitutes conservatism. Too funny.

Cicero43 on November 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM

Oh, come on. Frum is an American citizen. I don’t like him either, but we can make intelligent criticism.

Emily M. on November 30, 2009 at 11:18 PM

Fail. He was born, raised and educated in Canada/USSR*

* USSR just kidding, or am I?

alohapundit on November 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM

I guess not, since we have one. You don’t bow down to a saudi prince unless that is your background and schooling.

Bambi on November 30, 2009 at 11:19 PM

+10 Post of the night.

alohapundit on November 30, 2009 at 11:24 PM

Sounds like somebody wants to put a wedge between Evangelicals and Mormons. I wonder why? hmmmmmm…… Evangelicals and Mormons have a lot of the similar political views. We need to keep these groups together united to defeat liberalism. Interesting that there is an attempt to tear these two camps apart already. If you think Mitt changes his mind too much to support him is one thing, but not supporting him because he is Mormon is rather shallow and short sighted. Mormons are pretty good people in general, just like Evangelicals and Christians.

WyoMike on November 30, 2009 at 11:25 PM

Fail. He was born, raised and educated in Canada/USSR*

* USSR just kidding, or am I?

alohapundit on November 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM

I know he was born in Canada, but he has since become an American citizen. It was a few years ago; I’m pretty sure he took the oath on 9/11.
FAIL.

Emily M. on November 30, 2009 at 11:25 PM

Seriously, Frum is both a joke and a liar.

The Manhattan Declaration has absolutely nothing to do with Republican or conservative “exclusion” of Mormons.

Mormons had a similar manifesto back in the nineties called “Family: A Proclamation to the World” with similar social conservative pillars. Nobody accused them of excluding Catholics or Evangelicals back then.

This is just Frum making up sh!t to try and criticize and splinter social conservatives within the Conservative Movement.

Norwegian on November 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Canada is our friend and ally, and their politics have been trending right of late, as well.

hillbillyjim on November 30, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Yeah, I’ve had my snarks to say about Canada, but they probably have the most sensible government leader in the hemisphere right now.

ddrintn on November 30, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Have I ever mentioned that I think David Frum is an even bigger putz than Obama? I wish he would go away and take Parker, Noonan, and the rest of the wanabee’s with him.

TXMomof3 on November 30, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Sounds like somebody wants to put a wedge between Evangelicals and Mormons. I wonder why? hmmmmmm…… Evangelicals and Mormons have a lot of the similar political views. We need to keep these groups together united to defeat liberalism. Interesting that there is an attempt to tear these two camps apart already. If you think Mitt changes his mind too much to support him is one thing, but not supporting him because he is Mormon is rather shallow and short sighted. Mormons are pretty good people in general, just like Evangelicals and Christians.

WyoMike

A+

beachgirlusa on November 30, 2009 at 11:32 PM

I don’t have any problem voting for a Mormon provided he/she is okay on the issues.

gocatholic

Same here.

beachgirlusa on November 30, 2009 at 11:34 PM

RBMN on November 30, 2009 at 11:20 PM

You are so right! Let me be the first to invite you to sit in on a Sacrament Service. No one will bite you, you won’t be shouted at, you will hear some children crying now and then since we bring our children to Sacrament Meeting. Mostly, fathers take the little ones out until they settle down. But you are most welcome.
Also, as a Canadian, I was so proud of Canada refusing to sit in the UN when that idiot spoke. The US sat and left, but Canada stood proud and refused to even go. Good for you!

Bambi on November 30, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Yeah, I’ve had my snarks to say about Canada, but they probably have the most sensible government leader in the hemisphere right now.

ddrintn on November 30, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Not to mention the fact that they brew some damn fine beer up there in the Great White North.

hillbillyjim on November 30, 2009 at 11:35 PM

To borrow a phrase:

“It’s the economy, stupid.”

Let’s leave religion out of it altogether.

hillbillyjim on November 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM

hillbillyjim: Excellent point,this time,the Republicans
need to control the talk’n points in the
run up to the election!!:)

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:35 PM

The Rock on November 30, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Huh?

A little off the topic, but… pneuma o Theos…

isn’t the “o” an article, usually translated as a definite article “the?”

cs89 on November 30, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Frum tries desperately to drive a wedge into any little crevice he can find.

Bishop on November 30, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Exactly! You guys figured out which side he’s on yet? I know.

conservnut on November 30, 2009 at 11:36 PM

I know he was born in Canada, but he has since become an American citizen. It was a few years ago; I’m pretty sure he took the oath on 9/11.
FAIL.

Emily M. on November 30, 2009 at 11:25 PM

What the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING? He is still the left’s favorite “Conservative”/useful idiot. He rips conservatives every chance he gets especially social conservatives and he loves his own pudding. A self licking ice cream cone as it were. He is a traitor to conservatism in my book and a mere psuedo-intellectual eager to please his leftist masters.

EPIC FAIL

alohapundit on November 30, 2009 at 11:37 PM

Let’s just forget about those daily 500-comment threads on Hot Air alone full of anti-mormon diatribes.

jjraines on November 30, 2009 at 10:57 PM

…you should be able to find ample proof in only five to ten minutes using Googles advanced search feature, specifying HotAir as the domain. I’ll hold my breath. /sarc

FloatingRock on November 30, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Ten minutes was up over fifteen minutes ago. Let me save you some time: you’re not finding any evidence to support your allegation because you were simply wrong. Aside from a small handful of Huckabee supporters you’ll be lucky to find anything more than a couple people expressing a bias against Mormons.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2009 at 11:37 PM

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Oh man, I honestly forgot about that guy.

red winger on November 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM

red winger:Ya know,I wish I didn’t either,at least Sarah
has already dealt with it,but you just know,
the Libs will bring it back up,ugharoo!!:)

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Aside from a small handful of Huckabee supporters you’ll be lucky to find anything more than a couple people expressing a bias against Mormons.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2009 at 11:37 PM

Though I admit, unfortunately there are way too many Huckabee supporters in this country—just not here at HotAir, thankfully.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2009 at 11:39 PM

alohapundit on November 30, 2009 at 11:37 PM

This is ridiculous on so many levels. I DON’T LIKE FRUM EITHER. All I’m saying is we can come up with legitimate criticism, rather than just snarking on the fact that he grew up in Canada!

Emily M. on November 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Remind me again why Americans should care what a Canadian thinks about their country?

Frum needs to go build an igloo or whatever it is they do up in Canada.

tetriskid on November 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM

I know a woman who went ice fishing with 8 Canadian Eskimos once.

She came home with a big red snapper.

I remember President George W. Bush stopping in a small upstate New York town that I grew up in. The Vet’s at the local V.A. were so excited that the President might stop and visit with them. George W. Bush bypassed them and hung out with the money by the lake.

That sounds like something Romney would do.

It’s something Sarah Palin would never do.

David2.0 on November 30, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Sounds like somebody wants to put a wedge between Evangelicals and Mormons. I wonder why? hmmmmmm……

WyoMike on November 30, 2009 at 11:25 PM

WyoMike: Thats standard operating procedure that the Liberal
Party,and msm,pull every election,to create in-figh
ting within the GOP!!

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:46 PM

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:38 PM

So true, so true. The leftards are incredibly predictable.

Still, I’ll put her briefest of connections to that guy up against 20 years with Rev. “G-d Amerikkka” Wright, any day.

red winger on November 30, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Emily M. on November 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Oh, come on. Snark is fun, and it’s not like Frum has earned anybodies respect…. well, at least not on the right. The left seems to love the guy, though. There’s no question about that.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Oh, come on. Snark is fun, and it’s not like Frum has earned anybodies respect…. well, at least not on the right. The left seems to love the guy, though. There’s no question about that.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2009 at 11:47 PM

He’s worse than a useful idiot. He’s a proud useful idiot.

Emily M. on November 30, 2009 at 11:49 PM

Mormon America has provided leadership and support for conservative politics out of all proportion to its numbers. If there’s a test for conservative identity that excludes Mormons, it’s not a good test.

Ah, but the test is really not about conservative identity, now is it?

I am pretty sure that, if still alive, Barry “Mr. Conservative” Goldwater would say “Every good Christian should line up and kick those ‘Manhattan Declaration’ fellows right in the ass”.

MB4 on November 30, 2009 at 11:49 PM

I participated in many threads at that time, reading all or most of the comments, and only remember a very tiny minority that expressed anti-Mormon biases, and they were all, (as in both, or all three), Huckabee supporters.

If you pretend to claim otherwise, you should be able to find ample proof in only five to ten minutes using Googles advanced search feature, specifying HotAir as the domain. I’ll hold my breath. /sarc

FloatingRock on November 30, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Sure, try this small sample. And since I have better things to do with my time than single out every comment, enjoy this lovely reading for yourself:

http://bit.ly/4QgvDF
http://bit.ly/6Fn3o8
http://bit.ly/6eSB40
http://bit.ly/4NW7tH
http://bit.ly/80zIW7
http://bit.ly/59sX5F
http://bit.ly/5XuyX6
http://bit.ly/6ebfSl
http://bit.ly/7jyDoN
http://bit.ly/53uKpn

And before you inevitably say you didn’t see much — read more — it’s there, and just scratches the surface of what’s even on Hot Air, let alone everywhere else.

Though about half of those threads you don’t even need to delve into comments, as the subject matter deals directly with anti-mormon bigotry, of polls/comments of people refusing to vote for a mormon. Also note: many of those were before Huckabee was even a factor.

Enjoy. I won’t hold my breath for your further denial.

jjraines on November 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Yeah, I’ve had my snarks to say about Canada, but they probably have the most sensible government leader in the hemisphere right now.

ddrintn on November 30, 2009 at 11:27 PM

ddrintin: Thats why,every day,I’m hopeful and positive,I
voted for Prime Minister Harper,and so far,he’s
staying with the War On Terror!!:)

Now,lets get back to America,and get a Republican
elected to the Presidentcy,and end this nightmare!
-:)

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Typical Frum: “Is professing faith in the Trinity useful to the Party?”

Chris_Balsz on November 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM

I remember President George W. Bush stopping in a small upstate New York town that I grew up in. The Vet’s at the local V.A. were so excited that the President might stop and visit with them. George W. Bush bypassed them and hung out with the money by the lake.

David2.0 on November 30, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Links to story, please? Proof that this really happened?
President Bush would never snub veterans and certainly not to hang out with moneyed country clubbers.

Jenfidel on November 30, 2009 at 11:51 PM

it won’t matter what religion he is.

Riiiight. I mean, he could be Muslim and it wouldn’t matter, right?

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Although Islam does have certain religious aspects it is far more a totalitarian ideology and movement than it is a religion. It is much more akin to communism and fascism than it is to Christianity (Mormon or otherwise), Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism.

MB4 on November 30, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Exactly! You guys figured out which side he’s on yet? I know.

conservnut on November 30, 2009 at 11:36 PM

conservnut: For gawd sakes man,where in a political war for
America’s soul,spill your guts,a RINO or LINO!:)

canopfor on November 30, 2009 at 11:54 PM

Ah, but the test is really not about conservative identity, now is it?

I am pretty sure that, if still alive, Barry “Mr. Conservative” Goldwater would say “Every good Christian should line up and kick those ‘Manhattan Declaration’ fellows right in the ass”.

MB4 on November 30, 2009 at 11:49 PM

Actually I think Goldwater would have mumbled something about UFO’s and then admitted he was a Paultard.

tetriskid on November 30, 2009 at 11:54 PM

This is ridiculous on so many levels. I DON’T LIKE FRUM EITHER. All I’m saying is we can come up with legitimate criticism, rather than just snarking on the fact that he grew up in Canada!

Emily M. on November 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM

I’m glad we agree :P

alohapundit on November 30, 2009 at 11:54 PM

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