NBC: Obama now planning to request only 30,000 more troops

posted at 4:10 pm on November 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

Wasn’t it just last week that we were told that 34,000 was the magic number, replete with a confidence-boosting report from NBC News that McChrystal himself was satisfied with that amount? Now, suddenly, more than 10 percent of the force has been shaved off (the Times is hearing 30,000 too) and yet not a word is breathed here about the downward revision. On the contrary, we’re informed that the number could change again in the next 24 hours, meaning The One’s dithering would have stretched practically to the very last minute. Is the media simply so weary of fluid numbers from the White House — e.g., jobs saved or created, Americans without health insurance — that they’ve given up trying to follow the bouncing ball?

Leslie Gelb, the former head of CFR, claims he’s heard that Obama will reserve the right to send another 10,000 troops (but no more) next year if circumstances warrant. That strikes me as unlikely given the left’s paranoia about a protracted Vietnam-esque build-up — better to send the full force now and say no mas — but maybe The One’s using it as a bluff to placate hawks for the time being. Conservatives are his base on this issue, after all, and they’re more likely to accept a smaller force now if they think he has several thousand more troops ready to deploy later — even if, in reality, he has no intention of actually using those troops. Something to watch for tomorrow night.

If he does send a smaller force now, presumably that means he’s planning to dramatically expand Afghan forces to pick up the slack, right? Why, er, no:

But the administration seems prepared to reject another of Gen. McChrystal’s top priorities: his call to double the size of the Afghan police and army over the next few years.

The administration now favors an alternative plan that would seek to build a larger Afghan security force, but one that would be considerably smaller than what Gen. McChrystal had wanted, these people said. The president is likely to talk about Afghan troops Tuesday, without specifying a growth target for expanding their ranks.

“The president has a realistic view of how successful the training regimen can be, and that has helped inform his decision,” a senior administration official said Sunday.

Placing less emphasis on Afghan forces risks irking Democrats leery about an extended and expensive escalation.

Link via Bill Roggio, who wonders who, precisely, will be defending Afghanistan if it’s neither us nor the Afghans themselves. A suggestion from Hitchens: How about India? Expanding Indian influence inside the country would confront the jihadis with a powerful, westernized enemy capable of maintaining the sort of long-term presence that we can’t muster. The obvious problem? Facing Indian pressure on two borders instead of one will freak Pakistan out and inevitably lead to an anti-Indian alliance with the Taliban. Not sure what Hitch has in mind there by way of endgame, aside from another Indo-Pakistani war (proxy or otherwise).

Here’s the clip from NBC; only the first minute is necessary viewing. Exit quotation from veteran war reporter Tom Ricks, passing on advice from a friend: “If he uses the phrase ‘exit strategy,’ or dwells on the subject, then you’ll know you’re probably looking at a one-term president.”

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Just wait for his announcement.
In the meantime, you could focus some energy on the Climate Change emails. Just tryin’ to help, NBC.

bridgetown on November 30, 2009 at 4:13 PM

I honestly don’t believe it until I see it.

upinak on November 30, 2009 at 4:14 PM

I already know he’s a one-termer.

joepub on November 30, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Lets micromanage!

the_nile on November 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM

It’ll be zero by the time he announces it.

Wasn’t it great when he actually announced something before its expiration date had passed?

phelps on November 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I already know he’s a one-termer.

joepub on November 30, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Stalin was a one-termer..

the_nile on November 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Best way to end the Afghan war is …

To win it.

Not gonna do that with half-hearted commitments and timetables.

Shock and Awe baby … Shock and Awe. If you can’t say it – you can’t do it!

HondaV65 on November 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM

“Ditherer in Chief” just doesn’t cover it. This man is a raving loon.

Buford Gooch on November 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Obama dithers. People die.

kingsjester on November 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM

“Wasn’t it just last week that we were told that 34,000 was the magic number”

I guess his long thought-out and comprehensive planning wasn’t.

This, if accurate, is definitely beclowning territory.

Dusty on November 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM

I’m gonna guess he sticks around 35K. Plus pushing NATO to increase another say 10K. Throw in the extra contractors and you’re talking over 200k. Won’t do much good regardless.

The Calibur on November 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM

I’ll wait for the official announcement. I won’t be watching the speech because I can’t stand his face anymore but no point in listening to these reports when the official announcement is just about here.

Daemonocracy on November 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM

We can all thank Barack for bringing the word “notion” unprecendented popularity. If the military can train the Afghans as well as the Obama administration has trained the media, we’ll be out of AfPak in no time at all.

booter on November 30, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Troops added or kept.

tomg51 on November 30, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Real profile in determination.

james23 on November 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Not only is Obama NOT giving the Commander the full number of troops he requested (remember, McChrystal gave three scenarios–80k for low risk, 40k for medium risk, 20k for high risk–34k would be medium high risk), but he’s also not giving the troops immediately and establishing a phased-in deployment over 12 months.

McChrystal said we had around 10 months to win the war; we’ve already spent 3 months dithering. And now we’re not even going to have the full amount of troops until late 2010–well outside established 10 months.

Enoxo on November 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM

By the way, may we have a Live Thread during the Photo Op at West Point tomorrow night? Thanks!

kingsjester on November 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM

What courage…

ClassicCon on November 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM

What are the odds he will pull a Geithner: the big build up to the announcement, followed by an announcement that he’s working on a plan and he’ll get back to us. Seriously, it could happen.

james23 on November 30, 2009 at 4:23 PM

NBC: Here are some stories you have missed.
ACORN
Climate emails
Just to name a couple of major events you have overlooked.
But glad you are reporting something that hasn’t been announced…

right2bright on November 30, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Did he read Mikey Moore’s letter and decide to throw him a bone?

Del Dolemonte on November 30, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Lets micromanage!

the_nile on November 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Yup! Phone in requests from the field to the White House Situation Room. Worked before! /s

Caper29 on November 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM

He will give the 40,000, but remove 15,000, immediately, then another 15,000 reserves later, so they can come back to their regular jobs.
That way he will have given 40,000 new troops….and have saved 30,000 jobs…

right2bright on November 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Hitchens has been jumping the shark recently. (well since he endorsed Obama)

Actually, the geostrategic fulcrum vis a vis Afghanistan, that everyone is reluctant to name, is Iran.

elduende on November 30, 2009 at 4:31 PM

This is NBC…I’ll believe it when I read it on here ’cause I ain’t gonna be watchin’ it!

SouthernGent on November 30, 2009 at 4:34 PM

His speech will contain his economic verbage….saved or created troops…

PatriotRider on November 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Obama dithers. People die The war withers.

kingsjester on November 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM

FIFY.

VoyskaPVO on November 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Would you beleeeevee….

… a Boy Scout Troop from South Dakota.
(channeling an old Get Smart episode)

kurtzz3 on November 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Who the hell knows, watching the media try to cover the Obama White House is like watching a blind man try to drive a car.

As for the whole thing with India, I read about that elsewhere, however. The problem with that scenario of course is the possibility of war between Pakistan and India…there is also the fact that the Afghanis might not be that crazy about the idea and that could lead to further trouble down the road.

Terrye on November 30, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Didn’t Obama just guarantee that when this cluster bump goes south he will be blamed instead of his habnd picked general?

Or will he blame Bush?

Lonetown on November 30, 2009 at 4:39 PM

As James Taranto says about the Ditherer-in-Chief’s decision-making,

President Obama has no trouble making them! Well, except when they’re hard.

Drained Brain on November 30, 2009 at 4:39 PM

“….. The One’s dithering would have stretched practically to the very last minute.”

You actually think this is over?

I can hear Obowma now, trying to out do John Paul Jones…


“I have not yet begun to dither!”

Seven Percent Solution on November 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Hitchens has been jumping the shark recently. (well since he endorsed Obama)

Actually, the geostrategic fulcrum vis a vis Afghanistan, that everyone is reluctant to name, is Iran.

elduende on November 30, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Yes, if you look at a map, we have Iran pretty well surrounded. Afghanistan, Iraq and the sixth fleet at Dubai…as for India, I have wondered how they would get into Afghanistan if Pakistan really did not want them there, and they don’t.

Terrye on November 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

So what’s the point if he doesn’t want to train the numbers of Afghan forces necessary? I think we need to stay and get the job done, but lets do it right and give what is needed for victory.

changer1701 on November 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Or will he blame Bush?

Lonetown on November 30, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Oh, blame Bush, definitely. That’s why Kerry issued the “Tora Bora” report this week. Expect to hear some “I inherited this situation” buck-passing in the speech, too.

Wethal on November 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Pantload.

Gawd a’mighty…no wonder the thugs of the world are licking their chops; this bumbling stumble-crumb is pathetic.

Bishop on November 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

That’s still one term too many.

ronsfi on November 30, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Hey, what would we expect? 4,000 is only a combat brigade.

So, McChrystal agrees to the plan, says he’s satisfied, then is fed another number. “Well, you did agree to the plan GEN McChrystal…”

New definition of leadership: cave to the left when bill ayers threatens to release all the dirt on your book authorship because you’re increasing troop levels.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM

I thought that Obama chose West Point so he could pretend he was a Commander in Chief.

Now I wonder if it was to have an audience where he’d be sure no one would jump up and say, “You lie!” to him.

Wethal on November 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Perhaps a poll could be added? Seriously, I’d love to see how close the crowd here comes at guessing the final number.

FTR, mark me down for 0. <– Zero, letter "O", same thing.

LastRick on November 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM

He’s spent too much time on this contemplating the “nuance” for his speech to be much more than a photo op to try and shore up moderates. It’s still all about health care. Think it’s a coincidence that Reid began debate today on the Obamacare bill? His speech tomorrow sucks out all the wind from the press and buys Reid a few days (effectively a week) to work on this beast. Bottom line is that if his heart were really in this “good and just” war, the would have made a decision months ago – he may say that he’s committing the troops but his deadlines and benchmarks will undermine whatever progress additional troops would have provided.

volnation on November 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

West Point is an interesting and “friendly” environment for Obama. He can’t give this speech in front of his base and the fawning media, and he certainly can’t give it in front of a critical crowd. The next most logical choice? Give it to a group of guys that are afraid of getting tossed out of school in their last year for doing or saying something controversial to the CINC. A guaranteed quiet and “friendly” audience. Friendly, that is, in outward appearance.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Not all the independent-voter focus-group data is in yet. These things take time.

RBMN on November 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

“….. The One’s dithering would have stretched practically to the very last minute.”

You actually think this is over? I can hear Obowma now, trying to out do John Paul Jones… “I have not yet begun to dither!”

Seven Percent Solution on November 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Somebody thinks the “very last minute” is NOW? Bullsh*t. Obama is “dithering” over what he may or may not do a year or more from now.

When it comes to Obama, pay absolutely no attention whatsoever to what he SAYS; only watch what he DOES, and when he does it.

All warfare is based on deception. And absolutely nothing that Obama is saying could possibly have an adverse effect on al Qaida. Those are not the people he is trying to dissuade and deter.

Arlinski taught Obama long ago; you have met your enemies, and they are all Americans.

logis on November 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I have a feeling that any number he comes up with isn’t for the support of the troops but to lessen the criticism from the left and to shut up the right.

fourdeucer on November 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Obama is dithering even the day before the speech. God help our soldiers. What a buffoon we have as commander-in-chief.

cubachi on November 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

What are the odds he will pull a Geithner: the big build up to the announcement, followed by an announcement that he’s working on a plan and he’ll get back to us. Seriously, it could happen.

james23 on November 30, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Beck has been doing that, too. Must be en vogue now-a-days.

Joe Caps on November 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I have wondered how they would get into Afghanistan if Pakistan really did not want them there, and they don’t.

Terrye on November 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

The Indians can’t project power in Afghanistan. As far as Iran is concerned they have an interest in driving us out of the AF/Pak theater, as in driving us out of the Gulf. To ignore them is to lose.

I don’t think Obama is ignoring them I think he’s afraid of them. Either way we lose.

elduende on November 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I think between now and tomorrow night the number will be down to 25k maybe even 20k.

journeyintothewhirlwind on November 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Not sure what Hitch has in mind there by way of endgame, aside from another Indo-Pakistani war

I’m not sure he had anything in mind considering it appears the entire article originated from his @$$.

The Calibur on November 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM

He’s spent too much time on this contemplating the “nuance” for his speech to be much more than a photo op to try and shore up moderates.
volnation on November 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I had not read your post when I posted but I totally agree with you.

fourdeucer on November 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM

If I were long the USA I would sell and go big time short. This is the worst CEO I have ever seen. Of course I would have been short on the first Tuesday of November 2008.

jukin on November 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM

will wait for the photo op tomorrow night…

cmsinaz on November 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Note to Taliban:

President that USA called idiot who successfully beat you into the wilderness is gone.

President that USA calls intellectual and charming that is an idiot is now here.

Hening on November 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Logis,
When it comes to Obama, pay absolutely no attention whatsoever to what he SAYS; only watch what he DOES, and when he does it.

That’s my rule One. Rule Two: Obama will always side with the most repressive totalitarian in any conflict.

jukin on November 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM

There’s a decision-making dartboard somewhere in the White House that needs to be replaced by now.

Chuck Schick on November 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Folks, you really don’t get it… this is a political play…

He’s slowly turning up the heat on the pot, instead of throwing the Frog into already boiling water.

He purposly has leaked these smaller and smaller numbers, so the “outrage” will be protracted but smaller, vice getting the attention of the American People.

Romeo13 on November 30, 2009 at 4:57 PM

There’s a decision-making dartboard somewhere in the White House that needs to be replaced by now.

Chuck Schick on November 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

/South Park nod…

And here I thought it was based on where the headless chicken stopped…

Romeo13 on November 30, 2009 at 4:58 PM

romeo nails it. It’s operant conditioning, it’s pavlovian.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 4:58 PM

The backdrop is fitting.

Deliver the speech from the Oval Office and the war outcome is his responsibility.

Deliver it from West Point (McChrystal and Petraeus’ alma mater), and the war outcome is their responsibility.

He’ll scrape the dust off his shoes when he boards the plane back home.

“you guys sure do make a great photo op.”

Backdrops.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 5:00 PM

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 5:00 PM

spot on

cmsinaz on November 30, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Obeyme’s dithering for the last 93 days is borderline traitorous – he may not even make one full term, but what does he care? This is just his stepping stone to a UN seat.

Ris4victory on November 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM

He may give the numbers, but an unreasonable expectation of success…withdrawing when we have “lost”…
The point being, he can’t be trusted and all of his promises come with an expiration date as has been noted.
He is a community organizer, making military decisions…just like his climate czar has her degree in English, and his economic czar can’t do taxes, their is a total disconnect between what has to be done and who can do it.
What a mess we are in…what a mess we had voted in…every week it gets worse…

right2bright on November 30, 2009 at 5:10 PM

A rumor a day.

Meanwhile, Palin has once again usurped him.

With some silly Facebook post, she drew attention to his achilles heel on his upcoming speech.

Either commit, Mr. President, or don’t waste lives.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM

The Indians can’t project power in Afghanistan. As far as Iran is concerned they have an interest in driving us out of the AF/Pak theater, as in driving us out of the Gulf. To ignore them is to lose.

I don’t think Obama is ignoring them I think he’s afraid of them. Either way we lose.

elduende on November 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I see what you mean. The Indians will just go straight after Pakistan if they do anything and then the Taliban will just run back into Afghanistan along with AlQaida. Somalia without the ocean and the pirates.

Terrye on November 30, 2009 at 5:14 PM

As usual, this is THE story of the day on other blogs.

*crickets*

It’s about as good as the “death panels” zinger right before the healthcare speech.

I’m not completely convinced that she is, indeed, being managed professionally.

The timing is simply too perfect, even for someone with great instincts.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Given this administration’s fascination with made-up numbers, Barry will send 5 troops, and call it 1000.

GarandFan on November 30, 2009 at 5:16 PM

He hasn’t made up his “mind” yet, and he never will.

Dhuka on November 30, 2009 at 5:17 PM

anninca; can you give a link to that facebook post by sarah palin. I’m ready to hear from some leadership.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Palin’s common sense is RIGHT:

Obama, either you WIN it …. or immediately GET OUT of it.

Nuff said.

TheAlamos on November 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

It’s just a very articulate letter, supposedly written by a WWII veteran who is 95 years old.

The point is that the letter underscores a very key question that, by this point, all of America is asking Obama:

Are you seriously committed?

I don’t care if he dedicates 40,000 troops or 30,000 or 36,000.

His true will is what matters.

And people have good reason to question this!

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM

OKAY, i just need to know one thing from this moron, DO I PACK MY BAGS OR WHAT????

MAKE. UP. YOUR. DAMN. MIND. MIC*

MIC = Moron In Chief.

sonofdy on November 30, 2009 at 5:33 PM

It must be killing him to have to play military CIC in his role as ‘president.’ He has to dick around with looking like he supports any of this Afghan stuff, when he’d rather be wailing from the UN about fixing the weather or redistributing wealth.

leftnomore on November 30, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Palin nailed him.

Not that he really needed a lot of help in that.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:35 PM

I wonder if the final number (30,000?) will be the number actually in country? Or will they perform an accounting trick by also counting activated Guard and Reserve units that are “dedicated” to supporting the deployed combat brigades even if the supporting units don’t get anywhere near Afghanistan.

I’m thinking something along the lines of the trickery they’ve been pulling in tabulating all those created and saved jobs.

SPCOlympics on November 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Who knows or cares?

The real issue is that we do not win anything when we’re not led by someone with conviction.

He doesn’t have that.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

I’m not sure if he’ll send any troops to be honest. The report that came out last week saying that they “missed” the opportunity to get Osama Bin Laden in 2001 may be used to his advantage.
It gives him an “out” and the bonus of blaming, once again, the Bush administration at the same time.
He thinks the war is lost anyway. 5 buck says he tells everyone when he is going to bring them all home.

milwife88 on November 30, 2009 at 5:46 PM

I’m thinking something along the lines of the trickery they’ve been pulling in tabulating all those created and saved jobs.

SPCOlympics on November 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM

That is what I am thinking…his math is different from any other politician I have ever seen.

right2bright on November 30, 2009 at 5:51 PM

He thinks the war is lost anyway. 5 buck says he tells everyone when he is going to bring them all home.

milwife88 on November 30, 2009 at 5:46 PM

No way. That would be honorable.

He’ll send them, without his real leadership.

That is going to be his sin of his presidency. But this one won’t be one you can say, “I regret.”

This one is the big sin.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:53 PM

We can all thank Barack for bringing the word “notion” unprecendented popularity. If the military can train the Afghans as well as the Obama administration has trained the media, we’ll be out of AfPak in no time at all.

booter on November 30, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Thank you, booter! Glad I’m not the only one who has been unprecedentedly irritated since way before the election
by obooby’s constant use of the word “notion” along with “folks” and of course, the forever and irreplacable, “I”, “me” and “my”. A close second of course is his use of “a” instead of “an” before a word which begins with a vowel. “An” also should be used before words starting with the letter “h”, as in, “obooby has treated us all to an historic presidency, stuffed to the gills with pomp and pratfalls, lyrical speeches and lies numbering in the thousands.” Make that tens of thousands…

tigerlily on November 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

His true will is what matters.

And people have good reason to question this!

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM

I don’t think that there is any doubt that his heart isn’t in this (hence the prolonged delay in the name of “analysis”) and if he doesn’t really believe in it, he won’t be able to sell it, even if he does indeed have a tongue touched by angels. Obama already comes across as somewhat of a wimp and this delay and probable half-hearted sales job can only reinforce the obvious.

volnation on November 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Obama already comes across as somewhat of a wimp and this delay and probable half-hearted sales job can only reinforce the obvious.

volnation on November 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

I don’t think of him as wimp. I think of him as probably worse. He doesn’t connect with real people.

He can do this politically.

I am now voting non-partisan, but my key testing point is how they really relate to real people.

And, btw, phony talk won’t work with me, either.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 6:06 PM

HondaV65 on November 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM

#0k over 12 months and no change in the ROE is going to be a Charlie Foxtrot. Its just stupid.

dogsoldier on November 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

#30k

dogsoldier on November 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Exit quotation from veteran war reporter Tom Ricks, passing on advice from a friend: “If he uses the phrase ‘exit strategy,’ or dwells on the subject, then you’ll know you’re probably looking at a one-term president.”

Err, so you’re suggesting that we want presidents to make military decisions based on the effect they will have on their political fortunes?

orange on November 30, 2009 at 6:11 PM

annica: con artists relate well to other people. trial lawyers relate well to other people (well, good ones). ted bundy related well to women.

I am not sure that “relating well to others” is the best test to give to win your vote.

kelley in virginia on November 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM

I don’t think of him as wimp. I think of him as probably worse. He doesn’t connect with real people.

He can do this politically.

And, btw, phony talk won’t work with me, either.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 6:06 PM

His problem is that he doesn’t see any political upside for going all in, even if he did believe in it. Obama’s real problem with connecting with others is that he’s never really been in a position (until now) where he had to show concrete results under real circumstances. Kind of like how business professors rarely make the jump to the upper echelons of business – the classroom (where Obama is most comfortable in a figurative and literal sense) is far different than a position where your actions and decisions have real consequences. In the long run, I believe that this is what will sink Obama and his presidency in the next 12-24 mos. Specifically, his idealistic plans simply won’t translate positively in the real world. And his opponents will have an unimpeachable source of those promises and plans – Obama himself.

volnation on November 30, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Libturds … They won’t stand for it, so what is our dear reader to do?

We waste $800 billion in the stupid stimulus.

tarpon on November 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM

The theater commander (McChrystal) seems like a stand up general, even for someone under the Obama Administration, but he needs to go. Obama told him he’d be running the show, and he’s reneged on that, bigtime. The general said he’d retire if this happened. I know he doesn’t want to leave his post and his Soldiers; I wouldn’t want to, either. However, I also wouldn’t want to see my Soldiers eradicated by attrition and lack of reinforcements, then get the title of “the Man that Lost the Afghan War and Failed to get Vengeance on the Terrorists that Murdered 3,000 Americans”.

Let this be on Obama’s head, not the good General’s.

Virus-X on November 30, 2009 at 8:50 PM

The obvious problem? Facing Indian pressure on two borders instead of one will freak Pakistan out and inevitably lead to an anti-Indian alliance with the Taliban.

Allah, your knowledge of the situation/history is really poor – they ALREADY are in an anti-Indian alliance with the Taliban – they always have been.

We supported the Northern Alliance and Ahmed Shah Masood when Clinton HAD ZERO problems with Benazir/Paki military establishing the Taliban in Afghanistan… of course 9/11 happened and Pakistan had to pretend that it turned against its own creation.

Why dont you pick up David Sanger’s book “Inheritance” and read the chapter on Pakistan and its conduct during the last 8 years in the WOT..

nagee76 on December 1, 2009 at 12:35 AM

How about India? Expanding Indian influence inside the country would confront the jihadis with a powerful, westernized enemy capable of maintaining the sort of long-term presence that we can’t muster.

He hopefully doesn’t mean direct intervention here, which might be rather difficult for a country in the midst of military modernization with a (proportionately) small gendarmerie and armed forces to call on.

India had a hard time in Sri Lanka and its deployment there irritated both/all sides in the conflict; would Indian involvement really win friends in Afghanistan in the short term, in light of the fractious nature of local politics? The Naxalite issue and others like it suggest that India has a lot on its plate at home and may not wish to get so deeply entrenched in Afghanistan.

Then there are the sheer physical challenges; the logistical difficulties would be problematic for most nations deploying to Sri Lanka but can’t see them being any easier in the Hindu Kush.

India’s support for the Northern Alliance raised some hackles in Tajikistan and the other ‘stans, since Shah Massoud assisted the predominantly Islamic opposition during the lengthy, nasty civil war there.

Grunchy Cranola on December 1, 2009 at 7:09 AM