Gibbs on Climategate: The science is settled

posted at 5:29 pm on November 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via Greg Hengler. The data’s in a dumpster and the analysts have been discredited, but the science itself remains pristine, my friends. When asked about Climategate last week, The One’s climate czar literally shrugged it off. Would the head of the UN’s body on global warming fare better? Of course not:

Pachauri said the large number of contributors and rigorous peer review mechanism adopted by the IPCC meant that any bias would be rapidly uncovered.

“The processes in the IPCC are so robust, so inclusive, that even if an author or two has a particular bias it is completely unlikely that bias will find its way into the IPCC report,” he said.

“Every single comment that an expert reviewer provides has to be answered either by acceptance of the comment, or if it is not accepted, the reasons have to be clearly specified. So I think it is a very transparent, a very comprehensive process which insures that even if someone wants to leave out a piece of peer reviewed literature there is virtually no possibility of that happening.”…

Pachauri said it was not clear whether the wording of the emails reflected the scientists’ intended actions, but said: “I really think people should be discreet … in this day and age anything you write, even privately, could become public and to put anything down in writing is, to say the least, indiscreet … It is another matter to talk about this to your friends on the telephone or person to person but to put it down in writing was indiscreet. If someone was to say something like this in an IPCC authors’ meeting then there are others who would chew him up.”

A fair point. If you’re going to game your analysis to arrive at a preferred result, for god’s sake, don’t leave a trail. (Hence the dumpster.) But even if you do, per Gibbsy, it’s onward to Copenhagen anyway. Exit question for Pachauri via Mark Steyn: Precisely how many polar bears have your little cricket jaunts killed this year, pray tell?

Update: A brutal assessment of the significance of Climategate from Clive Crook, writing at, of all places, the Atlantic:

The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering. And, as Christopher Booker argues, this scandal is not at the margins of the politicised IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] process. It is not tangential to the policy prescriptions emanating from what David Henderson called the environmental policy milieu [subscription required]. It goes to the core of that process…

I’m also surprised by the IPCC’s response. Amid the self-justification, I had hoped for a word of apology, or even of censure. (George Monbiot called for Phil Jones to resign, for crying out loud.) At any rate I had expected no more than ordinary evasion. The declaration from Rajendra Pachauri that the emails confirm all is as it should be is stunning. Science at its best. Science as it should be. Good lord. This is pure George Orwell. And these guys call the other side “deniers”.

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Take control over our own energy use.

That’s the key to so many issues, including foreign policy.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

We have control of our own energy use, what we don’t have is control over our own energy production. Drill here, Drill now. And start building nuclear plants as fast as practical.

MarkTheGreat on November 30, 2009 at 6:40 PM

You knew they were going to ride it in — They want those taxes so they can hand out money.

tarpon on November 30, 2009 at 6:40 PM

I have to admit, it’s fun to watch your guy’s slow realization that no one gives a crap about this.

crr6 on November 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

So let me understand you liberals…facts don’t matter, that is what you are saying.
The only thing that matters is that whatever is reported supports what you believe…whether it is a lie or not.
Do I have that right?
You actually are still supporting “facts” that are inaccurate and not based on accurate formulas…and you feel that is okay.
I just want you to be on record….that false data is fine with you as long as it supports what you believe.

right2bright on November 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Treacher, crr6 still loves you.

Schadenfreude on November 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

What is the optimum temperature of the Earth?

July 10 on November 30, 2009 at 6:40 PM

lol, I say 72 degrees F, with a slight breeze, always.
:)

bridgetown on November 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

If the science was indeed settled then why is there such a need for “consensus”?

If the science is settled then why throw out the original un-modified data?

If the science is settled then why hide behind fear-mongering and predictions of global catastrophe as a means to promote action, why not point to the actual science?

I’ll tell you why, it’s a G*d D*mn hoax, that’s why!

saltydogg14 on November 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Well, here’s my liberal take: Yes, there’s no question about the science.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Therein lies the problem, there was never any science. Just a couple of incomplete computer models that couldn’t even predict current conditions when fed historical data.

MarkTheGreat on November 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

PRESS RELEASE
18 November 2009
Women Central to Efforts to Deal With Climate Change, Says New UNFPA Report
LONDON – Women bear the disproportionate burden of climate change, but have so far been largely overlooked in the debate about how to address problems of rising seas, droughts, melting glaciers and extreme weather, concludes The State of World Population 2009, released today by UNFPA, the United Nations Population Fund.

“Poor women in poor countries are among the hardest hit by climate change, even though they contributed the least to it,” says UNFPA Executive Director Thoraya Ahmed Obaid.

The poor are especially vulnerable to the effects of climate change, and the majority of the 1.5 billion people living on $1 a day or less are women. The poor are more likely to depend on agriculture for a living and therefore risk going hungry or losing their livelihoods when droughts strike, rains become unpredictable and hurricanes move with unprecedented force. The poor tend to live in marginal areas, vulnerable to floods, rising seas and storms.

The report draws attention to populations in low-lying coastal areas that are vulnerable to climate change and calls on governments to plan ahead to strengthen risk reduction, preparedness and management of disasters and address the potential displacement of people.

Research cited in the report shows that women are more likely than men to die in natural disasters—including those related to extreme weather—with this gap most pronounced where incomes are low and status differences between men and women are high.

The State of World Population 2009 argues that the international community’s fight against climate change is more likely to be successful if policies, programmes and treaties take into account the needs, rights and potential of women.

The report shows that investments that empower women and girls—particularly education and health—bolster economic development and reduce poverty and have a beneficial impact on climate. Girls with more education, for example, tend to have smaller and healthier families as adults. Women with access to reproductive health services, including family planning, have lower fertility rates that contribute to slower growth in greenhouse-gas emissions in the long run.

“With the possibility of a climate catastrophe on the horizon, we cannot afford to relegate the world’s 3.4 billion women and girls to the role of victim,” Ms. Obaid says. “Wouldn’t it make more sense to have 3.4 billion agents for change?”

fourdeucer on November 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM

AP must pay AnninCA to post here…heh

d1carter on November 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM

P.S. Never play poker with this guy (Gibbs) without a witness. He thinks a Pair of Aces beats a Straight.

MirCat on November 30, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Ah, but in Liberal/Progresive Poker… a “Straight” is evil, and thus always a loosing hand…

The new winning hand is 2 Kings, 2 Jacks, or 2 Queens…

Romeo13 on November 30, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Agreed. If nothing else, Treacher is consistent.

crr6 on November 30, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Prove anthropogenic global warming is real. Seriously, be specific.

Jim Treacher on November 30, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Romeo13 on November 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM

yep, and notice how the trolls dance and gyrate away from the truth. One might they are deliberately not seeing what is Obviously There

Agreed. If nothing else, Treacher is consistent.

crr6 on November 30, 2009 at 6:38 P

M

Misrepresenting my posts is typical dishonesty for you, troll. And I notice you still have no facts, no actual information about anything.

Janos Hunyadi on November 30, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Let’s take control over our energy use.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:39 PM

That is an amazing sentiment coming from a CA person. You are the state that does not allow offshore drilling or onshore drilling. You don’t allow brushburning and get conflagrations. You can only take control of your energy use if you also try to control energy production. This from a state that imports most of it’s energy and water. This from a state tha has rolling brownouts. This from a state that thought it knew more than the energy producers and got suckered into paying exhorbitant rates for electricity and natural gas from other states.

AnninCA. I am an engineer scientist and turned down atmospheric data from Norwich Univ. (East Anglia) in 1997 because it stank. I have known the AGW was a lie and politics since then. You wouldn’t know good science if it bit you on your ass. In fact you wouldn’t know anything about energy production and usage if it also bit you on your ass.

Old Country Boy on November 30, 2009 at 6:43 PM

fourdeucer on November 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM

One source for the scam of the century.

fourdeucer on November 30, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Lox, and others, where are you? AnninCA is off the “fool the righties” meds.

Schadenfreude on November 30, 2009 at 6:44 PM

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Junk in, junk out.

Johan Klaus on November 30, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Let’s take control over our energy use.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Easy to say, tough to actually do. Like most liberal thoughts.

How do you propose we “take control of our energy use”?

More mandating CFL bulbs? How about mandating electric cars that end up using more energy than standard engine cars?
Maybe we can mandate that everyone drive around in unsafe tin-can cars, so that we can use less energy? (Despite the fact that studies have shown that CAFE standards have not saved any energy. As the cost of driving goes down, people drive more.)

MarkTheGreat on November 30, 2009 at 6:45 PM

I have known the AGW was a lie and politics since then. You wouldn’t know good science if it bit you on your ass. In fact you wouldn’t know anything about energy production and usage if it also bit you on your ass.

Old Country Boy on November 30, 2009 at 6:43 PM

LOL, but she might like if You bit her on her ass.

bridgetown on November 30, 2009 at 6:45 PM

I never read opposing viewpoints.
crr6 on June 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM

an actual, unaltered, and very revealing crap6 post

Dimwit liar……

Janos Hunyadi on November 30, 2009 at 6:45 PM


Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.”
~British statesman Edmund Burke

Which is why I sincerely hope there are still good men and women in the scientific community with the guts and the pull to bring this whole global warming hoax to a grinding halt!

pilamaye on November 30, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Not one European country is going to reach their sets targets agreed to within the Kyoto Accords. In order for them to claim that they achieved their sets goal of maximum carbon emission levels is to buy carbon offsets from Russia or one of the now popular (and apparently legal) scamming outfits selling carbon offsets.

Russia was given millions of carbon offsets for closing some pre World War II factories.

What are the carbon offsets worth? What ever you can sell them for.

This is going to go down as one of the greatest scams ever, in size and scope.

Brass on November 30, 2009 at 6:46 PM

If you’re going to make such a serious charge, you should have some specifics right? Something other than “well, I personally don’t accept the science, and a few emails were critical of those who don’t accept the science”.

crr6 on November 30, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Alright. You don’t get to claim a scientific endeavor, while deleting the data used to derive your conclusions.

If you do, I proved that cold fusion can truly be done, easily and cheaply. I’d show you how, but darn; I “lost” the data.

Do I get a Nobel Science prize anyhow for my conclusion? Or does someone think they need to be able to reproduce it?

gekkobear on November 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM

I love reading the liberals and hearing them pretend that nothing has happened…emails? What emails…why the results are already in. Of course the results are based on wrong facts, but it doesn’t matter, it fits what we want.
CBS tried that with President Bush’s military record…and it eventually failed.
Liberals try this, and they end up being laughed at…emails? What emails? Wrong formulas? What formulas? Global Warming? What warming, it’s climate change now….
HAHAHAHAHAHA!….Keep posting liberals, you are F’in brilliant…
And God Bless Richard Lindzen, the one hero that has stood against the tide, refused all the riches bestowed upon the ones that bowed to the Global Warming God…a true hero, who faced incredible scrutiny, and fought against this historical tyranny of bad science.

right2bright on November 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM

fourdeucer on November 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM
One source for the scam of the century.

fourdeucer on November 30, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Ugh, that just made my skin crawl.
As a woman, I want the address of that author. I want to write him and tell him that me and my lady friends will be glad to conduct our own ‘climate’ research. We don’t need a big, strong man to save us.
Well, maybe just one ..to knock this guy out.
UGH

bridgetown on November 30, 2009 at 6:48 PM

We’re seeing actual data.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

No we’re not. Just today CRU was forced to admit that the actual data was thrown away. All they have left is the carefully massaged data. And they still refuse to tell us what methods they used to massage the data.

MarkTheGreat on November 30, 2009 at 6:48 PM

so a carbon offset is something just created out of the air? it isn’t anything really?

sounds like some of that futures trading to me.

kelley in virginia on November 30, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Old Country Boy @ 6:43
Of greater concern is that our country’s energy policy is being dictated by people with the knowledge level you attribute to Ann.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Prove anthropogenic global warming is real. Seriously, be specific.

Jim Treacher

Give it up Treacher. No one cares.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

gekkobear on November 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Yeah, I LUV the new liberal line… we know the evidence of warming was destroyed, but now YOU have to Proove Warming DOES NOT EXIST! Because the White House says the Science was settled!

Romeo13 on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Give it up Treacher. No one cares.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Hmmm… really? Guess I must be “No One”…

Orrrr… are you just talking about Progresives and their Pet media?

Romeo13 on November 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM

What is the temperature of the Earth?

July 10 on November 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Well, I think we hit the tipping point years ago. In some ways, it’s lowered our lifestyle.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Just how has increased energy use lowered our lifestyle?

MarkTheGreat on November 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Just how has increased energy use lowered our lifestyle?

MarkTheGreat on November 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM

In Ann’s case, she’s referring to all the coal that was burned to enable her electroshock therapy.

Jim Treacher on November 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM

What is the temperature of the Earth?

July 10 on November 30, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Well… Al Gore said it was MILLIONS of degrees at the center…

Romeo13 on November 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

HA’s stool sample speaks.

No facts, no information……only the rancid odor of stale weed-breath and feet

Janos Hunyadi on November 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM

OK, but you guys remind me a bit of the anti-Palin crowd.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

You can always tell when a liberal knows that they are losing the argument. They try to change the subject.

Comeon Ann, you made specific claims and charges. Back them up or admit that you don’t know what you are talking about again.

MarkTheGreat on November 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Give it up Treacher. No one cares.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Claiming you don’t care won’t undue the damage, so my advice to you is to give it up. No one cares if you don’t care.

darwin on November 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Prove anthropogenic global warming is real. Seriously, be specific.

Jim Treacher

Give it up Treacher. No one cares.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

You do.

Jim Treacher on November 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM

I have to admit, it’s fun to watch your guy’s slow realization that no one gives a crap about this.

crr6 on November 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Since when did everyone in this administration become the country as a whole?

MarkTheGreat on November 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

wow, i cant wait ’till the day when “Liberalism is a SICKNESS” becomes consensus. The day can’t be that far off.

ndanielson on November 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

We’re seeing actual data.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Knock, knock.

No we’re not. Just today CRU was forced to admit that the actual data was thrown away. All they have left is the carefully massaged data. And they still refuse to tell us what methods they used to massage the data.

MarkTheGreat on November 30, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Some people cannot see the forest for the trees. Is it because AnninCa had public education?

Johan Klaus on November 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Ok, so that’s the new Liberal Talking Point of the Day…”no one cares!”

I see. No one cares that the past 10 years of global climate hysteria have been a lie? No one cares that trading in their Suburban for a cramped subcompact was done for nothing? No one cares that we’re about to be taxed up the ass for something built on lies?

Sorry bub, people care. Go back to DailyKos and tell them that they’ll have to think up a new Liberal Talking Point of the Day. This one stinks.

Vera on November 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

upinak on November 30, 2009 at 6:39 PM

You, my cyber friend bring up a very good point, and one that I have long wondered about. Let me see if I can articulate it properly:
We have always, always been told that petroleum is a fossil fuel, correct?
In grade school, we were taught that the decaying of dinasaur bones is what created the “oil” that we refine into so, so many products.
But my big question–I’m so very not a scientist and I am seriously asking the question–is this: If oil is truly created from decaying dinasaur bones, why is it not created from decaying cow, horse, dog, fish, Atrophobic water buffalo, or, indeed, human bones?
In short, has any one ever disputed the fact that it is NOT a renewable resource???? Is it possible that this is just the Mother of all recyling processes????
Again, I am so not a scientist, I think the best use of a beaker is to mix a martini.
Just asking!

Chewy the Lab on November 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Give it up Treacher. No one cares.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Yeah..high five your mind hive sock puppet, crr6.

AUINSC on November 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Give it up Treacher. No one cares.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

I care.

bridgetown on November 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Should we try to make the Earth colder?

July 10 on November 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Let’s get serious about energy.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 6:02 PM

I’m still waiting for you to explain why cutting back our lifestyles is better than increased energy production

MarkTheGreat on November 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Chewy the Lab on November 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Good question, and love the beaker martini part of it.

bridgetown on November 30, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Should we try to make the Earth colder?

July 10 on November 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

And make everyone as pissed off as New Yorkers? No!!!!!!!

bridgetown on November 30, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Let’s get serious about energy.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 6:02 PM

So,we can drill in California now?

katy the mean old lady on November 30, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Liberals have a long history of bending Science to their will. Stalin is an excellent example of a Leftist leader funding research that is a fraud on it face.

When Polymath Freeman Dyson says something is a fraud, then I know it is a Fraud.

End of Story.

GunRunner on November 30, 2009 at 6:57 PM

I just don’t think you can convince a liberal of the truth, they will beleive what they want to believe. they are a religion unto their own.

royzer on November 30, 2009 at 6:59 PM

royzer on November 30, 2009 at 6:59 PM

spot on!

cmsinaz on November 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

crr6 on November 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

You know what people do not give a crap about? Paying some energy tax so that a bunch of liars and thieves and con artists can live high on the hog while they fleece the industrialized world. Meanwhile of course, the folks in the third world will be expected to continue living in pristine poverty in order to save the polar bears.

Frauds, that is what these people are. And people do give a crap about that.

Terrye on November 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Drill, Baby Drill!

Build those Nuclear Reactors!

Say, great article on the Hot Air Blog about the screw up that is the Ethanol push (Remember that Liberals?).

Great Stuff.

GunRunner on November 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

The classic liberal argument…I dare you to prove the negative except you have to prove that God exists, but we don’t have to prove that he doesn’t.

orlandocajun on November 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

“Poor women in poor countries are among the hardest hit by climate change, even though they contributed the least to it,”

World to End, Women and Minorities Hardest Hit.

“Wouldn’t it make more sense to have 3.4 billion agents for change?”

fourdeucer on November 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM

No. Please God no. (The) One is more than enough.

RINO in Name Only on November 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

In grade school, we were taught that the decaying of dinasaur bones is what created the “oil” that we refine into so, so many products.
But my big question–I’m so very not a scientist and I am seriously asking the question–is this: If oil is truly created from decaying dinasaur bones, why is it not created from decaying cow, horse, dog, fish, Atrophobic water buffalo, or, indeed, human bones?
Chewy the Lab on November 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

I’m not an expert, but my understanding is that the overwhelming majority of the oil came from sea life, not dinosaurs. Unicellular life accounted for most of it. There have been several mass die-offs of ocean life (five known really big ones) that would have provided a huge amount of organic material for the formation of oil.

Cicero43 on November 30, 2009 at 7:01 PM

This is going to go down as one of the greatest scams ever, in size and scope.

Brass on November 30, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Yeah, and I can’t wait for the day that Bloomberg news backs off of this farce. Last year one of their “reporters,” some French chick, savaged an American representative for not signing on to Kyoto. She looks really stupid now.

Bloomberg news is trying to be more balanced, but they’re really locked into the liberal drill. It’s supposed to be a financial news network, however the bias is obvious. They slobber over BO. One of their news bimbos nearly wet her pants whenever she got to mention his name.

I’m living for the day when I don’t hear some hack yammering about ‘climate change’ as if their little world might come to an end. PBUT (PI$$ Be Upon Them).

Cody1991 on November 30, 2009 at 7:01 PM

That’s typical of those sonsabitches on the left. They absolutely love to declare the debate over right in the middle of it and claim victory. Whether it’s abortion, climate change, the Iraq war, you name it. They say the debate is over and attempt to marginalize all those who disagree.

moc23 on November 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Give it up Treacher. No one cares.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

So, is this the talking point now? That no one cares? You just keep telling yourself that troll.

Terrye on November 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

I give up. You guys are now dismissing Palin’s core point about energy.

Oh well, I guess this is where severe partisanship takes people.

AnninCA on November 30, 2009 at 6:10 PM

NOBODY is missing Palin’s point, but that is not quite the point of this thread.

The AGW people– the people trumpeting this false science– are against any form of carbon-based fossil fuel because they are wrongfully blaming climate change on its use. They don’t want oil, gas, or coal to fuel our utilities, our businesses, our manufacturing, our homes, our transportation, our food production, etc.

onlineanalyst on November 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Liberal “thinking” = INFANTILE

“I wanna cookie”
“Sorry, there are no cookies”
“But I wanna cookie”
“I just said, there aren’t any cookies”
“But I WANNA cookie!!!!!”

No sense arguing nor explainig…

winston on November 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

bridgetown on November 30, 2009 at 6:48 PM

I always believed the entire global warming scam was based on population control over everything else. The UN has been preaching over population and getting away with using women as their pawns as long as I can remember.Contact Information:

Richard Kollodge
Tel: +1 212 297 4992
kollodge@unfpa.org

There is some contact info.

fourdeucer on November 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Cicero43 on November 30, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Great post.

TexasDan on November 30, 2009 at 7:03 PM

I have to admit, it’s fun to watch your guy’s slow realization that no one gives a crap about this.

crr6 on November 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

jhffmn on November 30, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Give it up Treacher. No one cares.

Grow Fins on November 30, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Prove that AGW is real. If it is, tell us what’s in it for you.

Cody1991 on November 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

You know, while watching this doofus tonight, I wondered one more time, how come he keeps that job. The guy is an embarrassment, even to an amateur squad like the Bamster’s.

petefrt on November 30, 2009 at 7:07 PM

This summer the California legislature had, for a few hours, a provision in its draft budget compromise that would have allowed drilling offshore at one location, for a few years. That provision did not make it into the final bill.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

There is some contact info.

fourdeucer on November 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Nice! Thank you. Now, I shall enlist my small ‘army’ of women to send him a piece of our minds. Sure, he may never read our letters, but it will still be fun to do.

bridgetown on November 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM

bridgetown – UGH! Damn, you ruined my day. As far as CRR6 is concerned, I can personally tell you that publication in the UK of a paper on any subject if data in the paper can cast doubt on the original AGW data, will not and has not been published.

If you people only knew how difficult it is to get usable atmopheric data; even the best have failed (me included). However, the best were honorable enough to own up to their failures. They were not academic liberal whores that buried it for a government grant, and prevented anyone from questioning their virginity. Folks, the measurement uncertainty and calibration problems of even the most most modern remote measuring insturmentation precludes the temperature measurement precision espoused by the AGW idiots.

I beliebe you can see that this is not a laughing matter to me.

Old Country Boy on November 30, 2009 at 7:09 PM

I have to admit, it’s fun to watch your guy’s slow realization that no one gives a crap about this.

crr6 on November 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

How about our fast realization that we don’t give a crap about you?

donh525 on November 30, 2009 at 7:09 PM

I beliebe you can see that this is not a laughing matter to me.

Old Country Boy on November 30, 2009 at 7:09 PM

It is no laughing matter to me, either, but come on…these people are so dense. They won’t even hear facts!!! If I don’t laugh…I will go and drive off a bridge.
Thanks for the info. I love it when credible scientists (engineers/what have you) voice their opinions/knowledge.

bridgetown on November 30, 2009 at 7:12 PM

The religion of man-made global warming has jumped the shark.

Again.

Bruce in NH on November 30, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Gibbs is a gifted comedian, but Eleanor Clift has him beat. On the McLaughlin Group, Pat Buchanan asked about any proof of man-made global warming. Clift responded by asking where’s the proof of God! In the free-for-all format of the show, nobody paused to reflect on what a revealing comment that was. Even she admitted, probably unconsciously, that it’s a religion after all.

Also it was great how Gibbs hid behind the term “climate change”. And now even man-made climate change. Even I could agree that, yes, the climate is always changing.

Sowell Disciple on November 30, 2009 at 7:13 PM

AGW is the proposition that there is something going on that is different than the normal understood climactic changes seen in all other inter-glacial periods.

Thus those purporting the AGW hypothosis must present valid and verifiable data on that topic.

EA CRU destroyed their original datasets, and their programmer’s document demonstrates that their derived data sets are contaminated, unlabeled, inaccurate, and do not use rigorous definitions for data types. Thus they only retain derived datasets and no one, not even the original researchers and individuals who’s names appeared on their papers can replicate the results of their papers. Any paper depending in whole or in part on those results are suspect of inaccuracy and will need re-examination of their results in light of the inability of EA CRU to reproduce their results.

Anyone depending on NASA Goddard numbers from the 1990′s data processing era must also re-evaluate their data as Goddard mis-processed multiple datasets over that era and has publicly acknowledged that to be the case after they were called on the fact that their processed datasets did not match actual temperature readings fed into the system.

Mean Sea Level measurements were found to have been skewed due to the large number of stations situated on subsiding land which was not taken into account. When the rate of subsidence per station was put in, MSL showed a remarkable steadiness across the entire 20th century.

The tree ring proxy dataset of the original hockey stick graph has been demonstrated to rest with a total of 12 trees. When a wider forest tree sampling is taken the hockey stick disappears completely.

To date these datasets show no measurable influence that is outside the norm expected for inter-glacial periods which are notable for rapid climactic fluctuations based on previous inter-glacial periods in the Tertiary and Quatenary. None of the datasets used to show AGW has been found to pass muster. Antarctic ice sheets are at the furthest reach as seen in the historical record and wind patterns that had changed Arctic ice flows have returned to normal and we now see winter pack ice farther south than in living memory of the fishing fleet and in the historical record.

There is a problem with AGW: it lacks any basis via data sets. The EA CRU data release is just the largest of the data sets that have gone down over the past 3 years, but not the only AGW data set that has been invalidated, not by a long shot.

If we can’t understand the microclimates for growing good grapes then perhaps we should be a bit more humble on saying what is driving global climate in any direction. Proof of AGW is incumbent upon those pushing it. Show me the valid data and ensure that all analysis is documented and that others can reproduce the analysis and examine the results. As a geologist I can take huge changes in understanding about what happens on this planet. I accept the boloid impact theory at the K-T boundary because nothing else explains that event and what it left in the geological record, and changed our understanding of what ‘normal’ is for the solar system’s bodies. The data is good, solid, global and reproduceable. AGW isn’t a ‘theory’ by that standard and is barely a hypothosis when compared to the K-T impact theory.

ajacksonian on November 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Looks like interesting goings on in Australia

The dominoes are beginning to fall. As far as I can tell, the Liberals in Australia are equivalent to conservatives here. Will some conservative politician in the US stand up and call this cr@p for what it is?

lukespapa on November 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM

He and every Flat Earther should be confronted with disseminating false propaganda unless they have proof other than “I said so.”
This is extortion and fraud, thus criminal. They should be prosecuted and sent to jail. That’s the law!

lilium on November 30, 2009 at 7:18 PM

I have to admit, it’s fun to watch your guy’s slow realization that no one gives a crap about this.

crr6 on November 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Talking points? So, you do not care about the “scientist” using un-scientific methods to promote data for their agenda. Is communism also ok with you? Would you admit it if it was?

Johan Klaus on November 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM

The look on Gibbsy’s face indicates that they’re getting quite wee weeed up in the White Haaayouse, yo. Since when does the sheer quantity of scientists who agree with a position suggest consensus on anything. It’s apparent that there are scientists who are koolaid drinkers, data manipulators as well as a few wife beaters and dope smokers–those facts surely don’t make them all wrong, nor does it make ‘em all right either.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Looks like interesting goings on in Australia

The dominoes are beginning to fall. As far as I can tell, the Liberals in Australia are equivalent to conservatives here. Will some conservative politician in the US stand up and call this cr@p for what it is?

lukespapa on November 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM

I was stunned, absolutely stunned to see that. Not one, nor two, but FIVE muldoons checked out of their jobs in the liberal party down there over this thing that our trolls suggest no one gives a crap about. Yeah sure, no one gives a crap so much that he’s willing to throw in the towel on his job regarding it–and not just him but a squad of his friends also.

Big trouble in the Church of the Branch Carbonians.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM

EA CRU destroyed their original datasets, and their programmer’s document demonstrates that their derived data sets are contaminated, unlabeled, inaccurate, and do not use rigorous definitions for data types. Thus they only retain derived datasets and no one, not even the original researchers and individuals who’s names appeared on their papers can replicate the results of their papers.

ajacksonian on November 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM

There’s a name for conclusions that cannot be recreated or explained, but must nevertheless be accepted. They’re called dogma.

Cicero43 on November 30, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Sowell Disciple on November 30, 2009 at 7:13 PM

good points–yes, they hide behind “climate change” the genus and avoid the species “global warming” just like they hide behind the genus of “health care reform” and avoid the species of “socialist takeover of US health care”. Typical liberal lexical impairment that we have to continue to fix over and over again.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I know there’s something that immediately checks left-”liberals,” causing them to become suddenly very respectful, self-restrained, cautious, introspective, even pliable and yielding. However, I can’t recall what it is. My sense is that I can’t remember because it’s so foreign to my upbringing and way of life. Maybe someone else will think of it.

Kralizec on November 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Two trains leaving the station, one southbound, the other headed north, the southbound engineers are lying to themselves, smoking crack, the throttles are to the firewall and they’ve already blown the red light.

Its no wonder libby’s are all for universal marriage, their whole agenda is now much more about a time-clock, poochie and fudge assembly line work.

Speakup on November 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Ignore it or explain it away, Gibbs. Lies will be next. That’s straight from the Soetoro Playbook.

Ricohoc on November 30, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Once again…what’s the scam? Is it your position that there is a worldwide conspiracy? What are the motives? Who is involved? When did the conspiracy start? How do they communicate? Who’s the ringleader? If you’re going to make such a serious charge, you should have some specifics right? Something other than “well, I personally don’t accept the science, and a few emails were critical of those who don’t accept the science”.

crr6 on November 30, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Sweetie, the CRU crowd– the people who most influenced the UN’s IPCC report– cooked their books in assorted ways in order to push their theory. They disallowed any dissenting scientific evidence to influence or refute their claims. They disallowed peer review of any AGW skeptics in order to claim their fraudulent “consensus.”

The AGW crowd, particularly those associated with CRU fraudulently used grant monies to promote their scam.

The carbon-credit shysters built on this scam to line their pockets and to bully businesses/corporations.

Is that a good start?

Check out who was writing the emails and what they were promoting to start seeing the same unethical perpetrators.

onlineanalyst on November 30, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Mr. Idiot Gibbs?

What do you settled? As in “further investigations” of proof nolonger NECESSARY?

THAT’S NOT SCIENCE. Mr. Gibbs.

Here’s a clue:

Even Einsten’s theory has undergone continuous further investigations in Plasma/Nuclear Physics, the results of which have been more advanced theories and investigations.

TheAlamos on November 30, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Most liberals will cling to the idea that the earth is “sick” because it gives them the ultimate platform on which to perform their never ending morality play about greed and excess. It always has and always will be the fight against capitalism that drives them, not a love of humanity or the environment. In turn, their hatred of capitalism is derived from their innate feelings of jealousy, resentment and an acute hatred of the success of others. Couple this with their bossy-boots nature and their pathological need to control everyone around them (which itself results from their fear of free will) and you have the essence of their ideology in a nutshell.

These are feelings drawn from the older, reptilian part of the brain. They can’t control them and so their only hope is to rationalize them with fraudulent science and the cock and bull imitation of “reason” they superimpose on reality. What they need is a darn good slap in the face with a wet fish.

Sharke on November 30, 2009 at 7:39 PM

My mind is made up, do not try to confuse me with those silly facts.

Besides we can’t let good crisis go to waste in our drive for totalitarian socialism.

johnsteele on November 30, 2009 at 7:43 PM

I know there’s something that immediately checks left-”liberals,” causing them to become suddenly very respectful, self-restrained, cautious, introspective, even pliable and yielding. However, I can’t recall what it is. My sense is that I can’t remember because it’s so foreign to my upbringing and way of life. Maybe someone else will think of it.

Kralizec on November 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM

It’s when Uncle Daddy Sugar’s checkbook slams shut and reality slams them up side the head.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 7:45 PM

my friends

Ya got trouble
Oh, we got trouble
Right here in River City
Right here in River City
With a capital ‘T’ and that rhymes with ‘C’
and that stands for Climate change.

faol on November 30, 2009 at 7:45 PM

fourdeucer at 6:42
Maybe the UNFPA should express its concern for women to Islamists, etc.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 30, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Folks, the measurement uncertainty and calibration problems of even the most most modern remote measuring insturmentation precludes the temperature measurement precision espoused by the AGW idiots.

Old Country Boy on November 30, 2009 at 7:09 PM

I’ve wondered about that and asked questions about the accuracy of the measurements here before. In my business, we use modern temperature measurement devices that are expensive and must be calibrated frequently.

Even then, the normal bias in the instrument is .5 degrees or so. We could get better accuracy, but it takes cost to a whole new level.

I’ll never believe that the data from the last two centuries can be reliably interpreted to less than 1/10th of a degree.

BacaDog on November 30, 2009 at 7:47 PM

I know there’s something that immediately checks left-”liberals,” causing them to become suddenly very respectful, self-restrained, cautious, introspective, even pliable and yielding. However, I can’t recall what it is. My sense is that I can’t remember because it’s so foreign to my upbringing and way of life. Maybe someone else will think of it.

Kralizec on November 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM

I know what it is. Unfortunately, Jim Morrison polished the last of it off in the 60′s.

Sharke on November 30, 2009 at 7:49 PM

BacaDog on November 30, 2009 at 7:47 PM

They have trouble predicting tomorrows weather.

faol on November 30, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Folks, the measurement uncertainty and calibration problems of even the most most modern remote measuring insturmentation precludes the temperature measurement precision espoused by the AGW idiots.

Old Country Boy on November 30, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Hell brother, until the day comes that these fools can predict the rainbows that end with pots of gold and accurately fo’cast what the weather is gonna be 24 hours from now, let alone 24 years from now, then some of us may start listenin’. Until that day comes, these guys need to STFU and STFD.

ted c on November 30, 2009 at 7:50 PM

I’m not an expert, but my understanding is that the overwhelming majority of the oil came from sea life, not dinosaurs.

Cicero43 on November 30, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Im not sure, but I think you may have made my point for me…not a scientist, like I said. If this is true–and if–decaying unicellular creatures or sea life–are the source for the overwhelming majority of oil, are we to assume there are no longer any unicellular creatures or sea life dieing?
Does this mean that clams are immortal?

My question still exists: Why do we accept the premise that oil is a finite resource? Has anyone done any scientific research that it may be completely, totally renewable, and in fact, that the Earth is producing it all the time?
As a Christian, I believe their is a Grand Plan to all of this. Humans breathe Oxygen, Plants produce it and take in the CO2 we exhale. (Its kind of as simple as that “Earth to Earth, Dust to Dust” quote we’ve all learned from our (GASP) Bibles.)
This planet was so very marvelously designed by our Creator…but again, that’s just my opinion.

Chewy the Lab on November 30, 2009 at 7:50 PM

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