Cato: ObamaCare price tag is $6 trillion

posted at 1:25 pm on November 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The advocates of ObamaCare argue that the overhaul of the American health-care system will cost “only” a trillion dollars in its first decade.  Michael Cannon at the libertarian think tank Cato says that Congress relies on significant budgetary gimmicks to get to that number, and that the true cost of ObamaCare in its first real decade is six times that amount:

One gimmick makes the new entitlement spending appear smaller by not opening the spigot until late in the official 10-year budget window (2010–2019).  Correcting for that gimmick in the Senate version, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) estimates, “When all this new spending occurs” — i.e., from 2014 through 2023 — “this bill will cost $2.5 trillion over that ten-year period.”

Another gimmick pushes much of the legislation’s costs off the federal budget and onto the private sector by requiring individuals and employers to purchase health insurance.  When the bills force somebody to pay $10,000 to the government, the Congressional Budget Office treats that as a tax.  When the government then hands that $10,000 to private insurers, the CBO counts that as government spending.  But when the bills achieve the exact same outcome by forcing somebody to pay $10,000 directly to a private insurance company, it appears nowhere in the official CBO cost estimates — neither as federal revenues nor federal spending.  That’s a sharp departure from how the CBO treated similar mandates in the Clinton health plan.  And it hides maybe 60 percent of the legislation’s total costs.  When I correct for that gimmick, it brings total costs to roughly $2.5 trillion (i.e., $1 trillion/0.4). …

When we correct for both gimmicks, counting both on- and off-budget costs over the first 10 years of implementation, the total cost of ObamaCare reaches — I’m so sorry about this — $6.25 trillion.  That’s not a precise estimate.  It’s just far closer to the truth than President Obama and congressional Democrats want the debate to be.

Consider these unfunded mandates.  The states will have plenty of those under ObamaCare, with the expansion of Medicaid eligibility.  Cannon is right about the unfunded mandates on employers and individuals being part of the cost of the program.  Thus far, no one has really pointed out that costs in this plan are not limited to federal expenditures, but also to the extra costs everyone will pay — for a reform that purports to “bend the cost curve” downward.

Perhaps Senator Gregg can ask the CBO to study that question further in its next analysis.

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This effort is appreciated, but we are fooling ourselves to believe that anyone in Congress pays any attention to the fiscal aspects of Obamacare. This is the liberal power grap they have been waiting for, and the financial aspects are irrelevant smoke.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

My God …

darwin on November 28, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Once you’ve gone over the limit on your credit card and you can borrow other people’s money what’s a few trillion here or there?

Ordinary1 on November 28, 2009 at 1:30 PM

The Cato Institute!?! Why, you can’t believe anything those rightwing nutjob wingnut racist Nazi Rethuglicans say! They’re all rightwing nutjob wingnut racist Nazi Rethuglican liars who tell lies whilst lying!

/default liberal response

Kensington on November 28, 2009 at 1:32 PM

I remember when 6 trillion dollars was a lot of money.

Mike Honcho on November 28, 2009 at 1:33 PM

The Laws of Thermodynamics:

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Shit Happens.

percysunshine on November 28, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Many people better ask before this horrible piece of legislation gets passed.

Cindy Munford on November 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM

This is an absolute disaster. I predict if this legislation passes and if Obama gives, what I expect, a token gesture toward some type of job stimulus, the 2010 elections will be perhaps the biggest rebuff of a president’s agenda in modern history. It will make 1994 look like child’s play and incumbents who would normally be safe in almost any environment will be turned out. I will go as far as saying that the House and the Senate will be back in GOP control if these things proceed as they are.

milemarker2020 on November 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM

This is the liberal power grab they have been waiting for, and the financial aspects are irrelevant smoke.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

President Obama, will you kiss me?

petefrt on November 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Why, that’s a dirty lie! It’s not $6,250,000,000,000, it’s only $1,000,000,000,000. Nancy Pelosi said so, and she’s Catholic!

That’s a savings of almost $5.25 Trillion dollars, thanks to our fiscally responsible Democrat saviors!

/more liberal nonsense

Kensington on November 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Obama has everything under control. He’ll just have Timmy print more “Obamabucks”. After all, they’re ‘free’.

GarandFan on November 28, 2009 at 1:40 PM

impeachment yet?

moonbatkiller on November 28, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I am a military retiree…when I served the promise was free health care for life…they lied, of course, and the ‘free’ turned into a few thousand a year in policy fees, copays and other costs for my spouse and I. I worry the feds will use this scam to hit retirees with a BIG multi thousand dollar bill, which, coming from our limited retirement income, would mean we pay more for our ‘free’ health care than we pay on out mortgage, something that would eat our entire income. It would be the difference between living a modest retirement and living in poverty.

I wonder how many other retirees think the same?

JIMV on November 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

We must all look like Mrs. Obama.

farright on November 28, 2009 at 1:46 PM

I wonder how many other retirees think the same?

JIMV on November 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I am retired Army and my wife and I are very worried.

farright on November 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM

The government is going to need to build “debtors prisons.”

moonsbreath on November 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Starlink: I hope you are correct. While there are great opportunities in the house, we need to make enough progress in the senate to prevent another disastrous supreme court nominee from being confirmed.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I just got my bill for my emergency room visit last week.
$4456.00 for an hour and ten minutes. Boy, am I in the wrong business.
Then I got to thinking: How much of that is for malpractice insurance and the illegals (of which we have our share) that don’t pay?

Lanceman on November 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM

To arms! To arms!

Wyznowski on November 28, 2009 at 1:53 PM

A balanced budget amendment is sadly the only answer we have to control politicians. They love controlling us,It’s time to turn the table on them.

tim c on November 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM

This effort is appreciated, but we are fooling ourselves to believe that anyone in Congress pays any attention to the fiscal aspects of Obamacare. This is the liberal power grap they have been waiting for, and the financial aspects are irrelevant smoke.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Truer words were never spoke.

I would only add this:

It’s an error to believe that Progressives are doing this to improve the lot of the poor (or the sick, the elderly, the farmers, or any other ‘downtrodden’, ‘powerless’ group).

If they did, they would be the staunchest supporters of capitalism in the world. The evidence that socialism never will work is now so overwhelming that only simple lying (or deliberate self-delusion) can explain why a Progressive continues to favor it.

Of course, many will say they don’t support socialism, but ‘regulated’ capitalism. (I.e. technically, they are Fascists.) But, when you probe a bit, you find that the regulations they favor are so voluminous and so onerous – and the evidence that they are counterproductive so massive – that there is, in fact, no difference.

Yet, they continue to advocate them. And, very successfully, too. The ‘defense of the underdog’ is a gambit with no expiration date.

JDPerren on November 28, 2009 at 1:55 PM

I am a military retiree…when I served the promise was free health care for life…they lied, of course, and the ‘free’ turned into a few thousand a year in policy fees, copays and other costs for my spouse and I. I worry the feds will use this scam to hit retirees with a BIG multi thousand dollar bill, which, coming from our limited retirement income, would mean we pay more for our ‘free’ health care than we pay on out mortgage, something that would eat our entire income. It would be the difference between living a modest retirement and living in poverty.

I wonder how many other retirees think the same?

JIMV on November 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM

+1

NavyMustang on November 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

They.Don’t.Really.Care.

Who? The American people.
The numbers should not even matter. The fact that there is an obvious attempt to lie to the people by carefully crafting and hiding the fact that it is a scam, all the while pleading, with crossed hands and a moist eye, that its for the people and the children and for morals..that alone should be enough for tar and feathers. This is obviously a conscious and well thought out deception..( but don’t file a tax return with any slightly bogus numbers, cuz thats worthy of legal penalties). It’s a no brainer, imo, that this is criminal and the attempt should be prosecuted. Even though it will ruin the economy and steal our freedoms….enough people, simply.don’t.care.
Its the same with the global warming scam. All the evidence is there that points to a scam to defraud the people and raid the economy and at the same time destroy our ability to make our own choices. This too, is criminal, but no one will be prosecuted.
Screw Mumia….Free Bernie Madoff!

Itchee Dryback on November 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Honestly, folks…whether it’s one trillion or ten trillion, it makes little or no difference. We can’t afford it either way! Each time they add a trillion, they just add one more generation to the list of people who will wind up paying the bills.

Next thing you know, we’ll be hearing about another stimulus spending spree! Oh? We already are? Never mind.

GoldenEagle4444 on November 28, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Six trillion?

A pittance! /sarc

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Question that I have not heard the answer to….

What, if any, will be the monthly premium for somebody to pay for the ‘public option’?

Follow up question….if there is a premium, how will that person pay for it when they are out of work, with a family of 4 to feed?

tatersalad on November 28, 2009 at 2:03 PM

I believe that the Dems are not so stupid as to not know how this plan will wreck the country. I think it’s deliberate. See “Cloward-Piven Strategy Writ Large”

NNtrancer on November 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Question that I have not heard the answer to….

What, if any, will be the monthly premium for somebody to pay for the ‘public option’?

Follow up question….if there is a premium, how will that person pay for it when they are out of work, with a family of 4 to feed?

tatersalad on November 28, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Call it a rubber biscuit: If it bounces, you go hungry!

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM

NavyMustang: Having our Vets among those getting screwed by Obama is especially distastful. The uncertainty you are feeling is justified and is shared by millions of Americans who worked, paid taxes, and planned their retirements in accordance with the prior concept of being contributing American citizens. That concept has been replaced with the entitlement concept of being a citizen. I think we will learn next November which concept will determine the course of our once great country, which you served.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 28, 2009 at 2:07 PM

So is anyone really surprised that we’ve been lied to again?

Soetoro the Storyteller. What a guy.

Ricohoc on November 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM

You got to hand it to the Democrats. They really know their Voters and how to manipulate them. They know that by delaying the spending of Obamacare while bringing in revenues early will cushion the deficit for the next two years before the next elections in 2012.

The Voters will only look at the near years, not ten years out, and accept the Democrat’s claim that things are not so bad after all.

Uniblogger on November 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Is this what the Chinese proverb meant by “may you live in interesting times”?

I am beginning to think that maybe the best thing to do in order to achieve long term conservative goals is to just stand aside and let them do their worst.

Then come up with a variation on the “Contract with America” that promises if they take back both houses of Congress to:

1) Undo all of this horrible legislation, bailouts, takeovers, assorted tyranny…

2) Promise to impeach both the President and Vice President, thus installing the Speaker as the president. The speaker would promise not to run in 2010 and would be dedicated to unravelling this mess.

3) Promise to advance Constitutional amendments that would make it impossible for any future administration or Congress to own one single share of a private corporation, nor permit quasi-governmental entities like Freddy and Fanny, nor allow any federal funds to be used whatsoever for bailing out private firms regardless of how big they are. No. More. Ever.

4) Throw Obama out of the country (I know, but I can dream can’t I?)

turfmann on November 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM

What Pelosi has said is that, if you have to choose between food on the table tonight and the Dem medical plan, you have to go without the food. Or go to jail.

End of story.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Uhbuhma: “Go tell it to somebody that gives a s**t”

winston on November 28, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Three, six . . . what’s a few trillion between friends?

Yephora on November 28, 2009 at 2:15 PM

To be quite honest, I can’t find a damned thing worth loving about liberals. The point of this thread proves it, at least to me.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Freedom!

Justice!

Equality!

daesleeper on November 28, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Call it a rubber biscuit: If it bounces, you go hungry!

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Good Times, Liam!
“Have you ever heard of a wish sandwich? A wish sandwich is the kind of a
sandwich where you have two slices of bread and you wish you
Had some meat…”

MayorDaley on November 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Black Plague, Small Pox, Typhus, Malaria, Polio, Cholera, H1N1, and AIDS all pale in comparison to the human devastation that “gimmicks” and a surplus of congressional mendacity will unleash on us through Obamacare. More people may die from this pandemic than from any other in history.

anXdem on November 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Since the CBO is dealing with an approach that is new, and unconstitutional, they really do not have any precedent for estimating the costs.

Still missing from this article, no doubt because they are even harder to estimate, are the costs for the new supply and demand discrepencies for doctor payments.

Freddy on November 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Black Plague, Small Pox, Typhus, Malaria, Polio, Cholera, H1N1, and AIDS all pale in comparison to the human devastation that “gimmicks” and a surplus of congressional mendacity will unleash on us through Obamacare. More people may die from this pandemic than from any other in history.

anXdem on November 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Or, according to libs, it’ll be the fault of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM

If I were a senator I’d run as far away from this disaster as humanly possible. The smart ones will. The question is will they have enough idiots left to push this through?

No new taxes, not one dime. Isn’t that what Mr. President promised? The first one I noted is the one on my health care benefits…the benefit that I get in lieu of a higher wage. Now they’re going to tax my health care and I’ll take home even less. Then they’ll force me out of my health care and I’ll pay even more for it! Geniuses!

scalleywag on November 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

Actually these estimates – from 4 – 6 TRILLION DOLLARS
ALL ASSUME MANY IMPOSSIBLE THINGS..

That the economy will pick up and recover providing millions with health insurance.

Lost revenues will come pouring back in to cover the remaining trillion dollar deficits.

Government will somehow magically begin operating efficiently.

All of those 30 MILLION People will be healthy normal adults who wont overload the system.

ALL of the pre-existing conditions (aids, cancer, genetic diseases) will only cost 1/2 of what it currently does.

Millions of illegals wont flood the system thereby bankrupting it. (democrats wont stop this by the way).

All of the 50 Million seniors wont flood the system as they are forced off of medicare.

Drugs wont cost any more and research will just magically happen.

Im sorry but this is SHEER BULLSHIT.

But you dumb ass americans
you communist liberals all flying around in your co2 spewing jets ohh you all know better than all of us dont you?

When the entire system comes crashing down
and it MUST – for it is impossible to print and spend 6 trillion dollars without severe economic shocks..

when the entire system is bankrupt
and people are shooting liberals in the street

All of you liberals are going to cry saying
how could this have happened?

Anwer: Look in the mirror you dumb ass.

you all deserve to have dr mengle as your new obamanazi care provided physician..

Enjoy you bunch of dumb ass’s

veteranoutrage on November 28, 2009 at 2:36 PM

“Have you ever heard of a wish sandwich? A wish sandwich is the kind of a
sandwich where you have two slices of bread and you wish you
Had some meat…”

MayorDaley on November 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM

the future Dem plan for school lunches!

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:36 PM

It’s a small price to pay for the Left’s ability to maintain a sense of moral superiority and to allow them to visit Europe without having to apologize for our for-profit health care system, right?

venividivici on November 28, 2009 at 2:39 PM

It’s a small price to pay for the Left’s ability to maintain a sense of moral superiority and to allow them to visit Europe without having to apologize for our for-profit health care system, right?

venividivici on November 28, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Rope is still cheaper, and trees are free.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM

“Have you ever heard of a wish sandwich?

My ex-husband had a saying “wish in one hand and cr@p in the other. See which one fills up first.

scalleywag on November 28, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Rope/tree/liberal.

Some assembly required.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Good thing we have a ‘Free and Independent’ press to explain all of this to the public so they can make informed decisions regarding our political leaders…

For a moment there, I was getting pretty worried.

Seven Percent Solution on November 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Rope is still cheaper, and trees are free.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Agreed. As Caligula said, “Would that they had but one neck”.

venividivici on November 28, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Agreed. As Caligula said, “Would that they had but one neck”.

venividivici on November 28, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Or, for more fun, set the noose so they’re necks aren’t broken. The choke.

Then revive them.

And hang them again.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I like the photo on the main board leading to this link, of Reid with his arms crossed over his chest.

I’ve seen vids and photos of Hitler posed like that.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:53 PM

There isn’t the money to pay for this, even printing it 24/7 there isn’t enough; where the he1l are these dolts going to get the money?

Society is going to fall apart if this plan passes, eventually large segments of the population are going to get themselves rationed to the point of irrelevance and up goes the balloon.

Bishop on November 28, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Goverment Health Care is awesome for the military.

Bad for the Native Americans.

What will it be for the populace

PrezHussein on November 28, 2009 at 2:56 PM

For a moment there, I was getting pretty worried.

Seven Percent Solution on November 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Have no fear! The MSM has all the lies you’ll ever want.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:56 PM

There isn’t the money to pay for this, even printing it 24/7 there isn’t enough; where the he1l are these dolts going to get the money?

Bishop on November 28, 2009 at 2:55 PM

From the usual place: you, me, and every other taxpayer. With increasing rates so that your family might have to go without food to be able to avoid jail by paying into the MANDATED health insurance plan.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM

ugh It’s all a gimmick with that pos of a potus.

becki51758 on November 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM

ugh It’s all a gimmick with that pos of a potus.

becki51758 on November 28, 2009 at 3:06 PM

That only LIBS buy into and truly believe.

And they say we’re the loonies!

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM

You mean forcing private businesses and individuals to buy something constitutes a cost? That shouldn’t count at all – the government had nothing to do with it! I thought this whole thing was gonna be free. That’s what “deficit neutral” means, right?

forest on November 28, 2009 at 3:13 PM

This is just another form of corruption, in the sense that corruption means intentionally misrepresenting reality.

Did a little reading about the fall of the Roman Empire. The common theme seems (to me) to be one of corruption: Corruption of the government, corruption of the military, corruption of the monetary system, and corruption of the work ethic. The Romans got into the habit of deceiving themselves and deceiving each other as they allowed their empire to slowly weaken and decay.

Our saving graces are that we still have a chance to vote the corruptocrats out of office, we still have an honorable military, and we still have a middle class not (yet) addicted to handouts. If any of those institutions are corrupted, then we are toast.

ZenDraken on November 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM</blockquote

I thought we were bitterly, clinging to our guns and religion rednecks!

becki51758 on November 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM

ZenDraken: Agreed regarding the military, but it has a severe case of PCness at the top, which is working its way down the ranks with no effort to stop it in sight.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM

The Cato Institute is optimistic.

jukin on November 28, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Cost of six times the “special sale price” is typical of government social programs. Is this suposed to be a surprise or something?

burt on November 28, 2009 at 3:27 PM

anXdem on November 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM

That’s the real plan. It’s how they will solve the AGW problem. Kill off 50% or more of the people and the CO2 problem goes away.

chemman on November 28, 2009 at 3:34 PM

GaltBlvnAtty on November 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM

I understand that, but I don’t believe that our military has ever been perfectly free of corruption, just that it’s *mostly* free of it. And the corruption I’m thinking of is in terms of higher military leadership putting politics and career ahead of the Oath and the mission.

The question is if the military is free enough of corruption to be able to reliably perform it’s mission, re: support and defend the Constitution. Organizations such as the Oath Keepers give me faith that it still is, but we must always be wary.

Also, in terms of the Roman Empire analogy, I’d say our equivalent of the Legions is actually organizations like SEIU, Acorn, and the Liberal financial-political power elite. Those organizations are in bed with the government at all levels, and are mutually corrupted. In the Roman Empire, the military and the government were in bed with each other and were mutually corrupted.

ZenDraken on November 28, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I thought we were bitterly, clinging to our guns and religion rednecks!

becki51758 on November 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM

I’ll take God and guns over liberalism any time, anywhere.

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Or, for more fun, set the noose so they’re necks aren’t broken. The choke.

Then revive them.

And hang them again.

Too much effort. I like the old favorite of hanging by thumbs for the crows.

burt on November 28, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Included in this bill is a way to have passive euthanasia. The super rich and powerful will always be able to afford private health care. The super poor will be even more reliant on the government. The middle class will continue to shrink. The earth is saved without Cap & Tax. ;-)

ny59giants on November 28, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Too much effort. I like the old favorite of hanging by thumbs for the crows.

burt on November 28, 2009 at 3:43 PM

And I thought I was hardcore! *L*

Liam on November 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Goverment Health Care is awesome for the military.

Bad for the Native Americans.

What will it be for the populace

PrezHussein on November 28, 2009 at 2:56 PM

You’ve obviously never dealt with government healthcare in the military.

TTheoLogan on November 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM

1 trillion or 6 trillion …what does it matter? He won.

CWforFreedom on November 28, 2009 at 3:47 PM

With the amount of money that will be sucked out of the economy by ObamaCare through mandates on corporations and small business, and the surtaxes and other taxes on individuals, there will be significant loss of capital expenditure and resultant job losses in our economy. What is the tax on an individual who loses his job due to this foolish bill? Try 100%. Now that’s a tax bracket that any socialist can be proud of. Who will be hurt the most by this stealth tax? Why, it will be those at the bottom of the income scale, including minimum wage workers and those at the bottom of union seniority lists. In other words, ObamaCare will turn the “progressive” tax of the liberals on its head and will penalize those for whom they claim to be champions. Why don’t we add the total loss of income for lost jobs to the cost of ObamaCare? After all, it is a 100% tax, stealth though it may be. If 1 million folks lose their jobs due to ObamaCare, at a conservative income of $30,000, that comes to a total additional cost of 30 billion dollars per year, times 10 years equals a $300 billion dollars. But of course, Harry and Nancy claim that this goofy bill is revenue neutral. Surely that must be true.

stefano1 on November 28, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Obviously Pelosi and Reed are using the CRU (Climate Research Unit) wacky Fortran code to calculate the cost of Obamacare.

ZenDraken on November 28, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Let’s see if the ‘legitimate‘ mainstream news media outlets investigates and reports on this $6 Trillion figure and revises their numbers that they so livingly covet and drum into our heads day and night for Dear Leader.

I’m betting they will not. In fact, if they even give it a passing glance, I’m betting that the MSM will discount this CATO Institute report and poo-poo it. Damaage Control for Dear Leader.

SilverStar830 on November 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Goverment Health Care is awesome for the military.

Bad for the Native Americans.

What will it be for the populace

PrezHussein on November 28, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Go visit a VA hospital. I worked at one for 4 years.

That is the not the kind of care I would want for my family.

daesleeper on November 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Question….

Could we, with a 6 TRILLION dollar investment, cure Cancer?

IE, do somthing that would save lives, and probably bring down healthcare costs?

Romeo13 on November 28, 2009 at 4:21 PM

You’ve obviously never dealt with government healthcare in the military.

TTheoLogan on November 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM

The advantage was that one knew what to expect, knew the costs and could plan. The new scheme will be, if we are really really lucky, the same or only slightly lesser care but the cost will be vastly higher, VASTLY.

Why in God’s name are we doing this?

Only to make the far left happy….

JIMV on November 28, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Long time Communist and Oboobabuddie Dr. Quentin Young takdes credit for Obooba’s singlepayermania. Photo of Obooba’s embrace of lifelong Communist free of charge.

Akzed on November 28, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Quadrillion is the new trillion.

John the Libertarian on November 28, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Not one dime. 60,000,000,000,000 dimes!

chaswv on November 28, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Every time we revisit this topic, the projected cost goes up.

Aitch748 on November 28, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Not only will this make earned health care by military retirees null and void, it will eliminate the significant enlistment incentive that is health care in the first place.

Maquis on November 28, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Mr. President, do I look like Mrs. Obama?

misterpeasea on November 28, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Military should have private health insurance. You cant fight government health care except for the privileged.

Medicare for the Military!

PrezHussein on November 28, 2009 at 5:11 PM

As my Uncle Joe told me:

Figures don’t lie.

But liars sure can figure

Words to remember, and he was a good man to have told me that. Global warming, health care, the cost of any government program that does ‘good things’… he did not live to see how true it would become.

ajacksonian on November 28, 2009 at 5:14 PM

BernieMadoffcare

bitsy on November 28, 2009 at 5:17 PM

A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon we’re talking about default.
Mike Honcho on November 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Couldn’t said it better myself.

Juno77 on November 28, 2009 at 5:33 PM

The inmates are running the asylum. Can you say gazillion?

Nalea on November 28, 2009 at 6:11 PM

I think this estimate also misses some other ‘costs’, such as:

1: Employers laying off people so as to be below that magic “line” where they won’t have to pay the higher fees for not covering employees
2: Higher unemployment because of #1, which means less tax revenue
3: Less tax revenue means MORE borrowing and financing the “free care” with debt.
4: Inflation, more unemployment, higher taxes = dead economy.

I bet you could tack on another 5 trillion with those “costs” above.

wankers.

2010 can’t come fast enough.
Term limits can’t happen fast enough.

exsanguine on November 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM

The Marxists are smiling that nuclear weapons need not be used to defeat us, because they have our entire check book and credit in the hands of one of their own.

Don L on November 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM

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