Video: Chris Matthews talks over Catholic bishop for four and a half minutes

posted at 6:49 pm on November 25, 2009 by Allahpundit

A must-see, even if it is a few days old. The question of how much influence the Church should have over Catholic legislators is sufficiently interesting to warrant sitting through the whole clip, but even if you’re not into that, watch from around 6:00 to 10:30 just for the sheer spectacle of this guy refusing to let his guest get a word in edgewise. Even as a veteran cable-news viewer, I’ve never seen anything like it.

As background for the discussion, the Pope’s flirted (and un-flirted) over the last few years with excommunication for Catholic legislators who betray certain “nonnegotiable” values of the Church with their votes. The last time it came up, as I recall, was when Pelosi visited the Vatican and people wondered whether she’d be denied communion. I’m sympathetic to Matthews’s broader point about not letting any faith dictate the content of secular law, but his specific point eludes me. What does he want the Church to do, simply look the other way while professed Catholics like Madam Speaker pass laws inimical to core teachings? Strictly speaking, they’re not dictating anything; all they’re saying is that you can’t protect abortion and be a Catholic in good standing. If that places a Catholic legislator in a bind, too bad. Religion either means something or it doesn’t, especially in a hierarchical outfit like the RCC. Those who don’t like it are always free to leave.

Exit question: At the risk of summarily Godwining this thread, does Matthews have any problem with Church officials who looked the other way in Europe in the late 1930s? I’m not comparing pro-choicers to that, merely wondering where CM would draw the line about when religious pressure on legislators is appropriate and when it isn’t.

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The big guy has a place picked out for “tingles”

1luckydogg on November 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Those Catholic bishops influencing the healthcare vote tells me all I need to know about the Church. IMO, it was worse than the pedophile scandal.

alliebobbitt on November 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM

He will answer to the Almighty in the next life……

hawkman on November 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM

People need to stop going on that show until Matthews learns to not be an ahole. However, this is not the first time he has crossed the line. Even when he has been reprimanded he still acts like an ahole.

Blake on November 25, 2009 at 6:55 PM

I’d like to see him and Lawrence O Donnell interview each other on something they disagree on.

BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 6:55 PM

There is no line….churches should be involved for the morality of it…some of these toe heads does not have any ioda of morality.

hawkman on November 25, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Chrissy Pissy will burn in hell.

moonbatkiller on November 25, 2009 at 6:57 PM

I have absolutely no problem with ANY church distancing themselves or outright kicking out any one, legislators included, if they break with the tenents of the faith.

Where I would have a problem is if a legislator were kicked out of public office (by means other than a regular vote) for his or her religious beliefs, or lack thereof.

A church is a private organization that can choose to allow membership to an individual or not, but our constitution specfically forbids a religious test of elected officials.

JamesLee on November 25, 2009 at 6:58 PM

And in Kennedy’s case, it was he that made his troubles public, long after the fact. To me, Kennedy’s chosen his loyalties, and it’s not with the Church.

RBMN on November 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Guests of Matthews: Please bring Dry erase board and marker with you and write and show your comments.

journeyintothewhirlwind on November 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Tried to listen, but God help me, I just can’t listen to this self righteous arrogant ass for more than a minute. He doesn’t want answers, he wants to lecture. What a moron.

swede7 on November 25, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Exit question: At the risk of summarily Godwining this thread, does Matthews have any problem with Church officials who looked the other way in Europe in the late 1930s? I’m not comparing pro-choicers to that, merely wondering where CM would draw the line about when religious pressure on legislators is appropriate and when it isn’t.

Easy – if a church supports a liberal viewpoint then it’s clergy are free to pressure it’s followers into supporting it. If a church supports a conservative viewpoint then it’s not ok for it’s clerty to pressure it’s followers into supporting it.

gwelf on November 25, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Why should libs expect the Catholic church to salve their consciences?

ddrintn on November 25, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Speaking of shouting over people….The Ed Begley clip linked here a day ago was one of three interviews I saw Stuart Varney do with libs while filling in for Cavuto. In all three cases, the libs spent the whole time shouting down Varney at the top of their lungs.

Even if I weren’t already predisposed to dislike libs and their doctrine, those performances wouldn’t change my mind. What rational person is going to listen to performances like this and say, “Oh yeah, I’ll go with the highly emotion, finger jabbing shouter. He must be right.” You’d have to be an idiot to get your mind changed by these clods.

Django on November 25, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Funny, this is the reason I turn off O’Reilly sometimes…he doesn’t let people finish their sentences. He gets louder and talks over them. Not comparing him to Matthews, because at least O’Reilly is making a good point when he does it, but he does interrupt and it does get annoying. It’s rude.

scalleywag on November 25, 2009 at 7:01 PM

For a second I thought this was the video of Chris Matthews eatting an entire Thanksgiving Turkey in 4 minutes, sorry for the spoilers for his show tomorrow night.

Rbastid on November 25, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Chrissie has no problems with the influence of black churches cuz he knows whose side they’re on.

Maxpower on November 25, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Chris Matthews is enamored with his own voice. I bet he nags the hell out of his wife.

therightscoop on November 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Sidebar: In the fifties, New Orleans Archbiship Joseph Rummel threatened to excommunicate a number of Louisiana legislators – and private citizens for their opposition to the desgregation of the Catholic school system in the state.

In fact, three Catholics – including a sitting Judge – were excommunicated for opposing integration.

If you want to be a member in good faith of any organization – the Democratic Party, the Catholic Church, a book club, a football team – you have to abide by the rules and standards they set.

If you can’t, get out of the organization. Or they can throw you out.

SteveMG on November 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM

I find it funny. To the day she died, my aunt recieved no communion, because of her divorce. She abided it. I never thought it was fair, because she left her husband, rather than being beaten daily.

The flagrant, and outright disdain from politicians, who know well the church teachings, yet continually snub them, for their party of politics, yet recieve not much more, than a slight scolding….is bogus to me.

If they want to be catholic, then be catholic. If not, find a new faith, that allows those things, they feel are a right, rather than a blight on our society. It’s very simple.

capejasmine on November 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM

I’m sure Chris Matthews will be rewarded in the afterlife with an exclusive interview with Saddam Hussein, Hitler & Joseph Stalin.

On location of course. IN HELL.

portlandon on November 25, 2009 at 7:04 PM

So if abortion is outlawed, only outlaws will get abortions?

Gee, Chrissy…amazed you don’t apply that same argument to guns. I guess you’re more interested in bawling out legally open carrying citizens.

MadisonConservative on November 25, 2009 at 7:05 PM

The only reason Chris Matthews doesn’t talk in his sleep is he doesn’t have anybody to interrupt.

Jim Treacher on November 25, 2009 at 7:05 PM

If you advocate murdering unborn children, you are not Catholic, and should join another church that’s ok with that.

Rebar on November 25, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I’m sympathetic to Matthews’s broader point about not letting any faith dictate the content of secular law, but his specific point eludes me. What does he want the Church to do, simply look the other way while professed Catholics like Madam Speaker pass laws inimical to core teachings? Strictly speaking, they’re not dictating anything; all they’re saying is that you can’t protect abortion and be a Catholic in good standing. If that places a Catholic legislator in a bind, too bad. Religion either means something or it doesn’t, especially in a hierarchical outfit like the RCC. Those who don’t like it are always free to leave.

Quite apt analysis from the oft-maligned atheist.

MadisonConservative on November 25, 2009 at 7:07 PM

I love how at 7:11 Chrissy realizes he is talking over the guest and then says “ok, go ahead”. And then when the bishop continues, BAM right over him again.

kurtzz3 on November 25, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Chris Matthews : The Kanye West of cable news.

Maxpower on November 25, 2009 at 7:08 PM

If they want to be catholic, then be catholic. If not, find a new faith, that allows those things, they feel are a right, rather than a blight on our society. It’s very simple.

capejasmine on November 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Amen!

NavyMustang on November 25, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Lucifer is a fan of the Chrissy Matthews show…

It makes him laugh.

Seven Percent Solution on November 25, 2009 at 7:11 PM

It would be nice if the Bishop would utter a curse in Latin, and Tingles would suddenly be afflicted with leprosy.

Or halitosis.

BobMbx on November 25, 2009 at 7:11 PM

This isn’t the 10th century. We have more than one church or sect in America.

If the Church you attend no longer provides the spiritual guidance you like, you may leave.

And nothing will happen.

Quite simple really.

SteveMG on November 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM

At the Alpha of Church history, there was one Judas at the table. Now at the Omega, there are many, whether Catholic politicians or bishops and/or priests involved in scandal. What we cannot forget is that the Lord is not mocked (which Larry David will one day find out) nor does He not know what is going on and who is who (for surely there are good bishops and priests; we’re not sure about the politicians or commentators like Matthews).

It has all been predicted, and for Allahpundit’s info and anyone else who may not know, it was written down even as many in the hierarchy were failing when they should have been upholding morals in the 1930s. For in that decade, the Lord spoke to one who has since been canonized as the first Saint of the 3rd Millennium. The Lord told her that the Church was in for a rough ride because of lack of fervor among the clergy, but that He would also bless believers with a new feast of His Mercy. Both those prophecies have since come to pass. There is only more to be fulfilled. With two out of three accomplished, the time for the third cannot be far away.

simeon on November 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM

This is obviously as much about Matthews himself as it is Kennedy.

Matthews, a Catholic, is pro-choice/abortion rights. He’s in a bind and is fighting against it.

SteveMG on November 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM

What law would you write? How about applying the murder laws to all people including those in the womb.

Catholics attacking Catholics about Catholicism. . . is it OK to have schadenfreud?

The only thing I care about religion is introducing people to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

The only people who want to punish the woman are the people on the left. If they enforce it from babykillers inc (Planned Parenthood) then there wouldn’t be abortions. You arrest the doctors.

It’s too bad Matthews wasn’t aborted. For the record, I think abortion is a criminal act (like murder).

ThackerAgency on November 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM

wow… the phrase \”braying jackass\” springs to mind.

corndog on November 25, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Sounds like Chrissy’s tingle has turned into a full blown unrinary tract infection.

HornetSting on November 25, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I’m sympathetic to Matthews’s broader point about not letting any faith dictate the content of secular law, but his specific point eludes me.

I don’t recall Matthews getting his panties in a wad when Obowa’s “Rev” wanted to GOD DAMN AMERICA. What about the NAACP, Matthews?

SouthernGent on November 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM

merely wondering where CM would draw the line about when religious pressure on legislators is appropriate and when it isn’t.

By Chris Matthews’ double standards Martin Luther King had no business meddling with politics either.

Chris is ok with Obama, or any liberal, preaching his/her schtick in black or other churches, ahead of elections, just not when his own oxen are gored…

Aside from his bizarre rudeness, he kept misleading the viewers – the letter was written to Kennedy in 2004, and Chris insinuated that the church is now involved to influence the major legislation of the day.

The bishop just wants to save the souls of his flock.

The ending of the interiew, when the bishop shot back at him, was sweet.

Bishop = 1
Chris = -1

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM

I’m sympathetic to Matthews’s broader point about not letting any faith dictate the content of secular law, but his specific point eludes me.

No one faith can, in this country. It could only dictate to its followers, and no one faith has a majority in Congress. Secular law only gets enacted when non-believers also see the sense of the idea.

Chris_Balsz on November 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Chris will defend Obama & Leftist Progressive Dems to the bitter end. Matthews knows that the Bishop is a big threat who can draw voters away by speaking out against abortion. If I recall, Obama won the Catholic vote.

Chris’s goes into hysterical attack mode against anyone who threatens Obama’s/the Dems’ power hold (even a bishop or a mother of 5 like Palin). He loses all control then.

sarahpalinfan99 on November 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM

To complicate things – and build off AP’s point – what if the Church demanded that all Catholic legislators opposed the death penalty?

My guess is that a lot of folks defending the Church on this matter might not be as charitable.

Perhaps not.

SteveMG on November 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM

I’m not comparing pro-choicers to that, merely wondering where CM would draw the line about when religious pressure on legislators is appropriate and when it isn’t.

I compare them.

CWforFreedom on November 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Wow! CM looks like a disaster. I guess you get run down in between O-man blowjobs, trashin Palin, talking non-stop interrupting guests, and probably reflecting on the abortion he paid for for a past girlfriend.

What a complete wreck he is.

Sapwolf on November 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM

What law would you write? How about applying the murder laws to all people including those in the womb.

Already in the Catechism of the Catholic Church — a document I doubt Matthews has read.

And partly in California law, twisted like a pretzel.

Catholics attacking Catholics about Catholicism. . . is it OK to have schadenfreud?M

Says far more about you, Thack, than it does about Catholics.

The only thing I care about religion is introducing people to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Given you don’t understand Jesus yourself, I can see how that would be a pretty hard job for you to hold.

The only people who want to punish the woman are the people on the left. If they enforce it from babykillers inc (Planned Parenthood) then there wouldn’t be abortions. You arrest the doctors.

So a woman should be permitted to abort her child as long as Planned Parenthood and doctors aren’t involved? Interesting position.

It’s too bad Matthews wasn’t aborted. For the record, I think abortion is a criminal act (like murder).

ThackerAgency on November 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM

So you wish Matthews had been murdered. Another interesting position with which I can’t agree.

unclesmrgol on November 25, 2009 at 7:32 PM

I’m for separation of church and state, but all the way.

Liberals are for it only when it benefits them, hypocrits and evil people that they are.

Schadenfreude on November 25, 2009 at 7:32 PM

To complicate things – and build off AP’s point – what if the Church demanded that all Catholic legislators opposed the death penalty?

My guess is that a lot of folks defending the Church on this matter might not be as charitable.

Perhaps not.

SteveMG on November 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM

The Church would have to flip on a point of doctrine to do that, so, Catholics would have a problem with the human beings in clerical robes who authored the flip.

Chris_Balsz on November 25, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Chris will defend Obama & Leftist Progressive Dems to the bitter end. Matthews knows that the Bishop is a big threat who can draw voters away by speaking out against abortion. If I recall, Obama won the Catholic vote.

Chris’s goes into hysterical attack mode against anyone who threatens Obama’s/the Dems’ power hold (even a bishop or a mother of 5 like Palin). He loses all control then.

sarahpalinfan99 on November 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Yep, you got it.

Obama won because he fooled many Catholics, and the bishops do such a poor job educating the flocks.

I have already encountered one O voter who is having second thoughts AFTER I explained to him O’s infanticide beliefs.

Sarah Palin is MORE Catholic than ANY Catholic Democratic Senator in Congress.

Sapwolf on November 25, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Exit question: At the risk of summarily Godwining this thread…

You’re kidding…

…does Matthews have any problem with Church officials who looked the other way in Europe in the late 1930s?

Sorry AP, but that’s entirely unfair. The good standing of the Holy Roman Church and Judaism today speak volumes to that.

JetBoy on November 25, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Boy,Tingles had a one man Spanish Inquisition show
trial on the go!!

canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM

The Church would have to flip on a point of doctrine to do that, so, Catholics would have a problem with the human beings in clerical robes who authored the

Not if it came from the infallible Bishop of Rome.

SteveMG on November 25, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Matthews, a Catholic, is pro-choice/abortion rights. He’s in a bind and is fighting against it.

SteveMG on November 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM

No he’s not. He’s a paper-Catholic at best, not a practicing Catholic.

Sapwolf on November 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM

It’s too bad Matthews wasn’t aborted. For the record, I think abortion is a criminal act (like murder).

ThackerAgency on November 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM

On one thing I agree with you…abortion is murder. But to wish it on someone who’s simply on the other side of the political aisle? Not very Christian of you. To be against abortion, yet wish it on someone, is a bit ironic.

As for the bishop denying communion, I really am torn about this. Communion would be denied a Catholic who had an abortion…or even was simply taking or using birth control. Even as a Catholic, I’ve never really been sure of whether or not it should apply to those who only speak of desiring legalized abortion…but I can see where it would be applicable to deny the Eucharist to one who actively participates in designing the laws.

JetBoy on November 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Obviously the marathon yapping is stopping the flow of oxygen to the brain. Seriously, you can hear him kinda tighten up as the balloons go flaccid after the non-stop yammering. I think the added strain to get those last few words out causes the spittle. Soon after that he is reaching for a drink and it is during those two gulps of water and one gulp of oxygen that the Archbishop is allowed to speak. Seconds later Chrissy is wound back up and ready to go through it again. It’s so much like the inflated balloon being released to flabber across a room.

caygeon on November 25, 2009 at 7:42 PM

I’d like to see him and Lawrence O Donnell interview each other on something they disagree on.

BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Sh*t I’d pay 10 bucks to see that. Popcorn?

Sapwolf on November 25, 2009 at 7:42 PM

The Church would have to flip on a point of doctrine to do that, so, Catholics would have a problem with the human beings in clerical robes who authored the flip.

Not if it came from the infallible Bishop of Rome.

SteveMG on November 25, 2009 at 7:36 PM

That would not be infallible. Merely authoritative. In the same sense that when the President nominates a Supreme court justice, he unquestionably has the authority to do so; if the popular backlash against the appointment is tremendous, he may think it prudent to withdraw the nominee.

Chris_Balsz on November 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Mr. Obama has obviously decided to confront the Church head on for the loyalty of her members. Notre Dame was the opening salvo for those paying attention. I predict harassment, marginalization, tax based punishment and even violence in the near future (remember Prop. 8 reaction if you think it’s a stretch).

Mason on November 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Matthews doesn’t let the biship get a word in edgewise because he can’t bear to hear the truth of how he has debased his own professed faith. On the other hand, as a Catholic myself, I have some real issues with the policies of the church – especially illegal immigration.

KickandSwimMom on November 25, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Sorry AP, but that’s entirely unfair. The good standing of the Holy Roman Church and Judaism today speak volumes to that.

JetBoy on November 25, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Right on!

AP is out in left field, hell in the stands when it comes to that.

Everybody who has studied the issue of the Jews in Germany and Nazi-occupied Europe knows the Church saved FAR MORE Jews in Europe than ANY institution in the world.

Estimates put it at 750k to 900k Jews escaped death at the hands of the Nazis.

Sapwolf on November 25, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Exit Question

Well the RCC did not merely look the other way in fascist Europe. Hitler, Franco, and Benito all courted and were courted by the Vatican.

lexhamfox on November 25, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Can you imagine what Lucifer has in store for the following as they take their first breaths on the other side?:

Christ Matthews?

Gloria Steinham?

Barack Obama (remember the Born Alive infant protection act?)

and any one that has had a position of power and didn’t do all they could do to stop the murder of the unborn?

Schumer, Rockefeller, Durbin, Pelosi, other “PRO-DEATH” members of Congress…

Thank goodness this Catholic leader has the fortitude to stand there and not be intimidated by Christina.

Reminds me of Norah O’Donnells treatment of the girl in line at the Palin book signing.

PappyD61 on November 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM

hey ap;

nobody gives a crap what matthews or frum say or do.

stop posting on them.

reliapundit on November 25, 2009 at 7:56 PM

reliapundit on November 25, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Stop posting if you don’t care.

MadisonConservative on November 25, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Sapwolf on November 25, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Yeah, I studied a lot on that, since many anti-Catholic authors and such…even college professors…would say that history shows the Church looked the other way. Not even remotely true.

Pius XII was tireless in his efforts to save the Jews, but it doesn’t make for good history I guess amongst the anti-Catholic crowd. Ask any Jew, and they will agree.

It’s not often I’ll disagree with AP. Even on religious matters. He’s not anti-Catholic by a long shot. But to suggest erroneous history involving the Catholic Church and the Jews during the Nazi reign must be questioned.

JetBoy on November 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM

As for the bishop denying communion, I really am torn about this. Communion would be denied a Catholic who had an abortion…or even was simply taking or using birth control. Even as a Catholic, I’ve never really been sure of whether or not it should apply to those who only speak of desiring legalized abortion…but I can see where it would be applicable to deny the Eucharist to one who actively participates in designing the laws.

JetBoy on November 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM

I doubt you should be torn at all. Sins such as abortion-correct me if I am wrong- excommunicate one automatically. It is not a decision that is made later. If you kill your unborn you have chosen this yourself and should not take communion.

See:

http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article78.htm

CWforFreedom on November 25, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Unbelievable.

Tzetzes on November 25, 2009 at 8:00 PM

I never click on videos involving Chris Matthews. From now on I will not click on posts that mention him. (I’m not Catholic, and this has nothing to do with religion or this particular post).

It’s a small thing I know, but commenters can affect what gets posted. No comments on a particular person or subject will lead to no posts about that person or subject.

It’s all about the clicks. Use yours wisely. I don’t watch Matthews and I won’t click on anything about him anymore. I get no kick from negative attention paid to him either. I shun him, period.

Meremortal on November 25, 2009 at 8:03 PM

I’m beginning to sense an underlying theme in everything they do.

They INSIST that they are smarter than we are.

Doesn’t matter if babies die, if the economy tanks, if the market crashes, if people will live in caves, if they ruin the lives of minorities, if the world spins into chaos.

They are smarter. Much smarter. Their ideas, no matter how lunatic are going to prevail. Period. Case closed.

If that means they have to shout down a bishop, so be it.

And if we disagree, by golly, they are going to ram their ideas down our throats or die trying.

It may come to that.

notagool on November 25, 2009 at 8:07 PM

There is a special warm place waiting for Chrissy…

d1carter on November 25, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Two very different men; the Bishop looked every bit a thoughtful, intelligent, cogent, deliberate, level headed, sincere, respectable, respected, reasonable gentleman.

Matthews; a tool.

Star20 on November 25, 2009 at 8:10 PM

He will answer to the Almighty in the next life……

hawkman on November 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM

So will the pope.

TTheoLogan on November 25, 2009 at 8:12 PM

Heh! Chrissy just invites people on to tell them what he thinks.

ronsfi on November 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM

It’s not often I’ll disagree with AP. Even on religious matters. He’s not anti-Catholic by a long shot. But to suggest erroneous history involving the Catholic Church and the Jews during the Nazi reign must be questioned.

JetBoy on November 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM

JB, you often talk about how much of a devoted catholic you are. I’m curious how you get around verses such as 1 cor 6:9?

TTheoLogan on November 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Elitist CM. He knows everything.

Someday soon … I don’t know when, and I don’t know who … will take CM to the woodshed.

Ricohoc on November 25, 2009 at 8:18 PM

does Matthews have any problem with Church officials who looked the other way in Europe in the late 1930s?

Sorry AP, but that’s entirely unfair. The good standing of the Holy Roman Church and Judaism today speak volumes to that.

JetBoy on November 25, 2009 at 7:34 PM

The relationship Jews have with the Church is irrelevent to what Matthews would say about it. He also said nothing about Pius XII. There were Catholic clergy, German and not, who behaved poorly in respect to the Nazis.

exception on November 25, 2009 at 8:19 PM

JB, you often talk about how much of a devoted catholic you are. I’m curious how you get around verses such as 1 cor 6:9?

TTheoLogan on November 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Take it to verse 10 and then repeat your question…

If I remember correctly, you are not Catholic, and aas matter of fact, rather anti-Catholic.

JetBoy on November 25, 2009 at 8:23 PM

To complicate things – and build off AP’s point – what if the Church demanded that all Catholic legislators opposed the death penalty?

My guess is that a lot of folks defending the Church on this matter might not be as charitable.

Perhaps not.

SteveMG on November 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM

That would be unlikely, since scripture doesn’t rule out the death penalty for criminals that are sufficiently evil and unrepentant. I suppose the question is, what’s a sufficient level of evil? And if the Church decided today that capital punishment was never justified, then it’s the same problem for politicians. They have to choose who to side with, but not pretend that they’re satisfying both callings.

RBMN on November 25, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Yawn.

More Catholics unwilling to follow their own rules.

Dave Rywall on November 25, 2009 at 8:27 PM

He calls the Bishop
A jackass, right to his face…
“With all due respect”

My observation:
Matthews thinks the respect “due”
Is not very much.

Haiku Guy on November 25, 2009 at 8:33 PM

Principled Catholic and, in general, Christian Conservatives are always at a disadvantage when dealing with the secular Left. The secular Left has no boundaries or moral underpinnings on any issue and are free to demonize ideas, and the people who ascribe to them, without guilt. Religious people have been brought up to suffer the inequalities, injustices, and setbacks they experience and give thanks to God for what they do have and can control — this always puts religious Conservatives at a disadvantage because it is against their moral nature to attack the persecutions from the secular Left in kind. Bite your tongue … turn the other cheek … all of it affords the Left a leg up in nearly any argument. Personally, I’m willing to take a little time roasting over brimstone in the afterlife in order to slap Lefties around while I’m here.

With respect to the RCC and politicians, the Church had better get their shit in a pile regarding excommunication fairly soon. ‘Catholic’ politicians have been testing the Church for some time now and are all but convinced that the Church will be the one to blink first.

Wilbur on November 25, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Matthews RANTS and SPITS for over 4 minutes and the Bishop destroys his entire rant in a few short sentences about how the moral law has long been reflected by the laws of government.

Nice job Bishop.

Matthews, do us all a favor and retire.

American Elephant on November 25, 2009 at 8:38 PM

OK here I go. As a Catholic abortion is wrong. As a father of 4 abortion is wrong and as a Regan conservative abortion is WRONG

Now Kendey has a choice be a Catholic, in which the church states that abortion is murder or leave the church.

Chris M does not understand anything. The Church is giving up to Caesar, in the laws, it is just saying if you support those laws you are not going to be in good standing. I cannot recall the Vatican ever saying “Senator vote this way and that and make the punishment this or that if they break the law” They do state that if you support this bill you are in trouble with the church because it goes against the basses in witch we stand.

Chris is a self serving SOB, self important etc, my opinion.

Anyway all Hot Air folks have a great Thanksgiving and may GOD bless.

Teleycoman on November 25, 2009 at 8:49 PM

It is by opinion that this entire administration is in need of a good exorcism.

Mutnodjmet on November 25, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Take it to verse 10 and then repeat your question…

If I remember correctly, you are not Catholic, and aas matter of fact, rather anti-Catholic.

JetBoy on November 25, 2009 at 8:23 PM

I do take it to verse 10. So, again, how do you get around that?

TTheoLogan on November 25, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Not clicking on this one.
But when Chrissy has an imam on his show debating women’s rights and gay-marriage, I might watch!

macncheez on November 25, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Semi OT: Has anyone else ever noticed Rachael Maddow’s neck is thicker than Richard Wolffe’s?

Paul Revere_1 on November 25, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Ohhhhhhhhhh! Chrissy threw a hissy!

GarandFan on November 25, 2009 at 9:05 PM

I admire the bishop for keeping his cool. Matthews is lucky the bishop didn’t go all Zell Miller on him.

doctor horton on November 25, 2009 at 9:12 PM

People need to stop going on that show until Matthews learns to not be an ahole.
Blake on November 25, 2009 at 6:55 PM

If this practice was followed, PMSNBC would be loading a new show into his time slot within a week because Matthews will neither learn to not be nor stop being an ahole.

And the crew would be overjoyed because the time they spend in post-production would drop to zero since they’d no longer have to clean up flecks of spittle strewn all over the set.

ya2daup on November 25, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Sounds like Chrissy’s tingle has turned into a full blown unrinary tract infection.

HornetSting on November 25, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Now that was funny!!!LOL

LSUMama on November 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM

I love the Bishop’s last line, and that despite all of CM’s histrionics he still was very calm and gracious.

And what does Matthews think he’s winning with the “render unto Caesar” line? Jesus’ whole point in that was to establish the supremacy of God over secular authorities. In what way does that bolster his point? I guess we’d be asking too much to expect him to have a solid grasp of the Church, the Bible, and the faith.

Also, Treacher? You win. Game over, man. Game over!

PaisleyCow on November 25, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Well… we know who wears the dress in the Matthews family – Chris gets up each day and puts on his dress while Kathleen wears the pants!

What Chris Matthews knows about religion is possibly how to spell the word; nothing more. What a disgrace this guy is. To think that he is even permitted to call himself a journalist is a tragedy.

IntheNet on November 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM

So the catholic church is supposed to change in order to accommodate Chrissy?
I’m not the most religious person around but I’m pretty sure
If you don’t believe what a church teaches then find a church that teaches what you believe.

iceman1960 on November 25, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Perhaps Mattews would be fine if the bishop was wearing an SEIU t-shirt.

ThePrez on November 25, 2009 at 9:31 PM

I do take it to verse 10. So, again, how do you get around that?

TTheoLogan on November 25, 2009 at 9:00 PM

The same way everyone in America who covets (which is basically every consumer who gets something they want, rather than need) gets around it. Nice try, though.

MadisonConservative on November 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM

why does Mathews feel that he has to talk so fast, talk over people? (along with all that spittle he spews when he’s on a good one).. does anyone, I mean anyone get anything out of this sort of behaviour other than the impression that here’s an aging guy, trying desperately to hold onto something?

hogtrashhd on November 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM

I just feel like somebody owes this Priest an apology for this asshat. Where does he get off anyway? Gad!

Bert Convy on November 25, 2009 at 9:36 PM

The same way everyone in America who covets (which is basically every consumer who gets something they want, rather than need) gets around it. Nice try, though.

Really, do they claim it’s not a sin and God made them do that?

TTheoLogan on November 25, 2009 at 9:38 PM

The same way everyone in America who covets (which is basically every consumer who gets something they want, rather than need) gets around it. Nice try, though.

MadisonConservative on November 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Really, do they claim it’s not a sin and God made them do that?

TTheoLogan on November 25, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Nice try, megs mccain.

TTheoLogan on November 25, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Pretty fair and balanced summation AP. It either means something or it doesn’t.

eaglesdontflock on November 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Man, just like when Chris reamed out Jeremiah Wright, oh wait.

Speakup on November 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM

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