Video: Beck discourages re-enlistment under Obama?
posted at 9:30 am on November 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
I don’t disagree with most of what Glenn Beck says in this piece. Courts-martial for Navy SEALS who allegedly gave a terrorist a fat lip while in custody? Does the Navy court-martial sailors who give each other fat lips? Would a SEAL stop at a fat lip if he actually got out of control? (I know a couple of SEALs, and I highly, highly doubt it.) Few would disagree with the thought that we should put the men and women who dedicate their lives to this country as our first priority, either, and that we should give them the resources to win fights when we put them in the middle of a war. But going on national television and advising them not to re-enlist? Beck does that here, and that’s one step too far (via The Right Scoop):
I’d have a problem with this advice if it was given privately, let alone to millions watching on television. Men and women enlist in the volunteer service to defend America, not to pick and choose which Commander in Chief they follow. They’re professionals who serve with honor regardless of the politics of the day. If they feel as though they’re not getting the support they need, they will know it better than those of us sitting stateside arguing over politics and policy. They will not need us to suggest that they bail out of the military if those are truly the conditions under which they serve.
Had someone like Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews gone on the air in 2005-8 and told millions (well, thousands in that case) that men and women should refuse re-enlistment because George Bush had underresourced the fight in Iraq — which seems indisputable now, especially after the success of the surge — conservatives would have screamed from the rooftops, and been right to do so. Furthermore, the problem in Iraq of underresourcing and strategic drift and decline lasted more than twice as long then as Obama’s been in office now.
We’re a nation at war, with the best and most professional army in history. We should trust that they can calculate the benefits and drawbacks of reenlistment with much greater insight than civilians, and refrain from using that process for political purposes — and especially refrain from encouraging our best and brightest to leave when we need them the most.
Update: Yes, he really did tell his nephew not to re-enlist:
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These aren’t the only prosecutions of military personnel doing their jobs and we will see more of these coming under the Obunghole Admin while the “ONE” fiddles like Nero in Afghanistan.
nelsonknows on November 26, 2009 at 3:51 PM
I agree with Beck.
No one should sign up to for imperial United States.
Spathi on November 26, 2009 at 3:59 PM
About 20% of the U.S. military, according to the offensive little surveys would obey illegal orders to attack American citizens.
Most military members don’t have to be told by Glenn Beck not to reenlist, they are totally offended by Barry pretending to be president anyway.
Here’s the problem, if the Americans stop enlisting in the U.S. military, that 20% could increase. There are way too many scenarios where Barry and his gang trigger a civil war. The last thing we need is to have the “loyal” members of the U.S. Military to be replaced by “community organizers”.
The tendency of the legalists to destroy the military has been growing since the incredibly stupid exercise in Nuremberg. Unfortunately it is just another symptom of the decadence and corruption which so characterizes the U.S. government.
CrazyGene on November 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM
I think it’s better to enlist now that Obama is president than under Bush though.
But no one should enlist for either of them.
Spathi on November 26, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Not exactly. I bother to watch his program and listen to him on the radio before I critique what he says. You, OTOH decide to talk out the side of your @ss about people and things you know nothing about.
mizflame98 on November 26, 2009 at 4:11 PM
If this thread were more heavily trolled, it would be nothing but net.
Loxodonta on November 26, 2009 at 4:17 PM
You forgot one…….
WAR is the ugliest thing you will ever see. That is why we don’t like it but when it has to be fought, you fight it the way it should be fought. There is not a damn thing pretty about war so don’t try and make it pretty with the PC shit. Fight it hard, fight it ugly with all it’s horrors and win.
To all the Vets here, this next line is not for you.
Look, I am not in a good mood so if you have not set foot on the field of battle don’t come and try and tell me about it and how it should be done. I will ride you like a rented mule and slap your momma for giving birth to you. I don’t play nice and I don’t care.
Old Hippie Vet on November 26, 2009 at 4:18 PM
MackDaddy is a traitor.
/s/ DisgraceK
davidk on November 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Dear Lord,
I thank You I’m not cluless and not parse-imonious.
davidk on November 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Spathi,
STFU.
Please.
catmman on November 26, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Fort Bragg, the base C.O. bans the media out of fear that a soldier MIGHT mouth off and say something against Obama.
Navy SEALS choose not to play the political game and tell the military (Obama) grow a pair and Courts-martial us if you believe we did something wrong.
Hint: Something IS wrong when this is how the troops are acting/responding to Obama.
Using your dead comrades as a “photo op prop” really doesn’t sit well with the troops.
They’re human and can only be insulted so much before you start to see some push back.
DSchoen on November 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Why enlist unless the military will actually be used for national defense? In Iraq, they died in vain.
The Dean on November 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM
FIFY!
DSchoen on November 26, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Simplesimon, when and where did you serve?
DSchoen on November 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Happy thanks giving to you too, to bad about your attitude. Try not to choke in vain.
fourdeucer on November 26, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Spathi is active? I thought huntin season was on?
flyoverboy on November 26, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Terryannonline, I checked your link and gotta tell ya you are completely wrong.
Obama went after Fox cuz Obama thinks they are criticizing him too much, (as compared to MSNBC)
The best way to stifle criticism is to do your job.
The reason his numbers are going down is because he isn’t doing his job!
Obama likes all the perks that come with the office but not the work.
That is obvious to anyone.
DSchoen on November 26, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Y’know, it makes me wonder, does Beck know of The OathKeepers, who have been blasted on CNN and MSNAZIBC?
BobAnthony on November 26, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Boxy_Brown on November 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
“So it’s better to plunge America into the boiling water of socialism quickly, “
Good-better-best. “Plunging” the USoA into socialism is unacceptable—at any speed.
“we should divide the GOP”
This is a loaded statement. The GOP is not a conservative organization anymore. It left the ideals of limited government and personal responsibility some time back.
Under the misguided opinion of trying to join forces with incipient socialists I voted for McCain. How’d that turn out—a plunge “into the boiling water of socialism quickly.”
“and help elect the socialists and we shouldn’t serve the constitution in the military unless we get whatever we want politically… “
You have missed what Glenn Beck et al have been saying. Maybe if you studied our Constitution a bit more closely you would see that we are required to oppose the enemy “both foreign and domestic.” We do that in many different ways.
The question before thinking conservatives right now is, Is it time to put foreign fight on hold to fight the domestic enemy. It is a very serious question. While we fight the scourge of Domestic Socialism, will the foreign enemy gain an upper hand? Can we fight a war on both fronts.
In an attempt to keep the GOP undivided, we have found ourselves plunging “into the boiling water of socialism quickly.”
Can we afford to ignore that plunge while focusing on an foreign enemy, a fight that is increasingly difficult and dangerous for our men and women in harms way because of the traitors in Congress, the White House, and the LameStream media?
“When it comes to the end result; what’s the difference between Beck and Kos”
This comment is so asinine and irrational that I find it impossible to “parse.” If you and yours cannot see the difference, then I don’t think rational discourse will be able to reach you.
“Either you love this country or you don’t.”
Profundity raises its tautological head.
“It isn’t conditional on getting what you want.”
Well, “you can’t always get what you want. But if you try sometimes you just might get what you need.” What we all want is for our children and grandchildren to experience the Divinely given rights.
Again the question remains, where do we focus our efforts, on internal or external threats?
My assessment is that we can fight both at the same time. And the best way (not the “better” way) is for many of our men and women to come home and fight shoulder to shoulder with some of us who understand the depravity of war. We can handle both threats at the same time. And don’t any of you naysayers or dickheaded libs try to accuse me of underestimating the task.
It will be the hardest thing we Americans have ever done. In VietNam, and I’m sure it is the same problem in the Middle East, it was often difficult to tell who the enemy was. I can’t imagine the pain of deciding which “American” is friend or foe. It will be, again, brother against brother.
“That’s my main problem with Beck and the so called ‘conservatives’ he represents. Loyalty isn’t something that you can turn off when you don’t get what you want.”
This is where you are clueless.
We have not turned off our loyalty to God, Country, and Family. You have insulted the people here who would willingly die to keep our country free. In another time, such an outrageous accusation would have gotten you shot.
“Rationalizing it as going ‘Galt’ is just justifying being a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum at the expense of the United States.”
I don’t know what “going ‘Galt’” means so I’ll be unable to “parse” that statement. But you just called me a brat.
“It’s Thanksgiving Davidk, never mind the fact that there are people out risking their lives to keep the likes of Beck alive, safe and prosperous while he advocates making their job harder or impossible… Set that aside for another day you clever fellow. Just go on out and poke that termite mound with the stick or peel that banana with your feet and enjoy the holiday.”
Gee, Buster Brown, it’s Thanksgiving. At the very least you can be thankful that violent men are ready to rush into harms way. I won’t take a bullet for the traitorous scum leading this country to ruin, but I will take a bullet for you.
Having said that, you can now kiss my ass. I won’t mess with the termites, but I would certainly enjoy poking you with a stick, you clever fellow.
End of parse. Enjoy.
davidk on November 26, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Why?
People from all over the world volunteer to serve in our military.
Before you ask or say something really stupid let me inform you, serving in our military DOES NOT get you automatic citizen ship, it doesn’t even get you to the head of the line.
DSchoen on November 26, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Thanks for checking out my blog :) Much appreciated.
terryannonline on November 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM
highhopes on November 26, 2009 at 12:35 AM
No insult taken, what I was trying to say is that the quotes mean absolutely nothing. It was a personal choice, like re-enlisting. Which reminds me I have to do that soon.
As to the folks that choose not to re-enlist, you still did more than over 90% of the US population. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise.
Claimsratt on November 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM
First, please excuse my typing mistakes and any unclear thinking from brain to page because of the large doses of morphine I must take daily for the pain caused by CRPS in both hands. Thanks FDA.
Anyway, I come from a long line of direct ancestors who fought for this country throughout Her history: Sam Houston, Robert E Lee, my grandfather was US Airborne during WWII and my father served as an Airborne Ranger and as a member of Special Ops 9th, 5th and 1st divisions along with working along side other agencies fighting Marxism on both hemispheres. To say that being a soldier is in my blood would be accurate.
The enemies became undefined in all the wars fought after WWII, the ROE put soldiers in greater danger with each new war fought, and everything was highly politicized for a cornucopia of reasons. My father lived amongst the Montagnards, trained, and supplied arms in unconventional fashions to protect them from a very silent genocide that had been taking place since at least when Mao came into power. He counted thousands of CHINESE troops on each of several recon missions only to be told by a suit from D.C that he did not see what he saw (because remember Nixon was trying to normalize relations with China). It made General Westmoreland so angry that he attacked one of the suits for telling my father that he did not see the thousands of CHINESE troops pouring into S.E. Asia with no end in sight while risking his life each time.
I was raised since day one to serve my country after college and was brought up to fulfill duties like a little soldier/patriot, duties that the majority of Americans have long forgotten like studying history and keeping up with current events daily and discussing these things freely and openly with a spine intact. While studying Islam and observing our government’s own increasingly inactions and the look the other direction attitude and claiming ignorance at best towards Islam, their Jihadi fighters, and the declaration of war against all infidels since the days of Mohammed, I saw a suicidal pattern start to emerge. These acts of war are recently highlighted with The Iran Hostage “crisis”, the 1982 Beirut bombings of a Marine barracks in Lebanon, the 1993 attacks on The World Trade Towers; Mogadishu, the ignoring of all the evidence of an Islamist element to OKC bombing (Terry Nichols and Yousef meeting together in the Philippines in 1994, Nicholes almost being caught in a raid to catch the 1993 planners of WTC 1993 in that country where athorities just happen to find his name “Nick” written on several documents obtained. Take that in conjunction that the nation wide search of John Doe #2 that was all of a sudden called off while the media and gov’t remained silent on the Islamist connection); Bosnia; Kosovo; African embassies bombings, and the USS Cole. Finally after 9/11 I prayed this evil war brought against our country would be fought to win, but Jihad and the call of a new caliphate is stronger than ever as a once stealth Jihad has turned into an active Jihad in Europe and now America. I blame our apathetic citizens for not doing their duty and learning about our enemies and those that want to kill us all at worse and subjugate us at best for this War that is now undeniably being fought on the soil of America.
The point is… was a complete victory against the jihadists EVER the endgame??? Obama has stated that victory in Afghanistan is not the goal. I did not join the military like the generations of family before me because I felt the real war was being fought at home, a war of ideologies and teaching the American people the true nature and history of Islam and all our enemies. I lost count of the friends who wrote me off as a wack job along with my peers for daring to study the enemy, educate the citizens, and stand against a evil global jihad, unlike the jellyfish and lemmings then and now. Hell, today the establishment cannot or will not define the enemy for what it is which was put on display after the act of WAR on FT Hood.
I don’t blame anybody if they choose not to serve or re-enlist under the first Post President in US history, who while serving as CIC sits at the rotating head of the UN Security Council. And he is overtly putting into place a globalist agenda designed to destroy America over the very same country, Constitution, and in effect Her Citizens he was sworn to uphold and protect. As long as they turn that warrior attitude into something productive like learning about Islam, it’s history, it’s teachings, it’s culture, it’s laws, along with all the ideologies and histories of all our enemies while dispersing and teaching that knowledge to the lemmings which will awaken alarm and fire back up that American Spirit from the cooling ashes, then I say Job well done. You have served your Country in a more productive manner while not wasting time, energy, and lives in a war that has no definable enemy and whose goal is not victory according to the Post American President and our government.
Look we are in deep doo-doo if Americans continue to get more enraged over a home sporting team losing, more upset over the latest popular celebrity losing his or her dignity, or if Miller Lite tastes great or if it is less filling. Hey our whole Constitution and our freedoms are a humming birds fart away from being taken away for good by international laws, Congressional laws, Executive Orders, or God forbid Martial Law stemming from all the manufactured crises designed to cause a national panic. Once power is grabbed from the freedoms of people, it has never been returned by those who took it without a serious fight.
Watching_Cloward-Piven on November 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM
First off, you are assuming (the mother of all f-ups, remember?) that I don’t know know that. I had a strong feeling that DryWall didn’t know that. If he did, he would have given that as an answer. That’s how I knew he was lying. But it’s cute that you feel that you were trying to teach me a lesson. I look forward to more of them. They shall be entertaining.
mizflame98 on November 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Right On!
mizflame98 on November 26, 2009 at 6:44 PM
It was really complicated, but worth it.
Dave Rywall on November 26, 2009 at 12:35 PM
katy the mean old lady on November 26, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Glenn is right. I wouldn’t ask my dog to enlist under this satanic regime.
LoneStarGal on November 26, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Back is off in so many respects.
Now is the time to enlist.
Because it can only get better.
Plus you get training for weapons (machine guns to grenades to anti-tank rockets in basic) that is always handy to have.
Now is when the best, most idealistic people need to serve.
To offset the rot at the top.
profitsbeard on November 26, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Back = Beck.^
profitsbeard on November 26, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Back, way back, in ’81 out at 3rd Bn, H Co., Parris Island MCRD, I looked down the squad bay. Across from me, and down to my right, stood about 72 shitheads, most of whom were a lot like me. While some clearly had seriously fucked up and didn’t belong, about fifty or so would shortly be in jail or the cemetery if not for Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children. And that fifty or so at least had the rudimentary integrity to at least be willing, well, to get tango uniform for something possibly worth it.
I am no longer in that branch, although it marked my soul in ways I cannot convey, but I am still that same guy. I could never run for political office; my past couldn’t bear the scrutiny. But I hold a security clearance. I could never manage the bank. But you entrust to me assets of hundreds of millions every day. And you’re right to do so.
My point is, I don’t care what Glenn Beck thinks of my Commander In Chief, me, or my multiple enlistments. Like most guys who have multiple enlistments, I do what I am.
I kind of like Glenn; I agree with more than a few of his views, even if he gets a little overwrought in expressing them sometimes. But the important thing is this: Would lumpy little Glenn prefer me in jail, the cemetery or behind my M240H protecting his assets?
Doorgunner on November 26, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Your twitter shrine to him is cringe-worthy and a bit creepy. There is no “context” that makes it OK to wish harm on the country. (IE. plunge America into the boiling water of socialism quickly, divide the GOP and help elect the socialists and not serve the constitution in the military) I don’t need to hang on his every word to know he is erratic and occasionally wrong.
Boxy_Brown on November 26, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Barack Obama is the favored President of the “We Support the Troops When They’re Shooting Their Officers” crowd.
I would give the exact same encouragement as Beck gave.
Until the Democrats become “America Best”, they don’t deserve our support.
Greg Q on November 26, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Wow, a thread that will not die! Saw this first late last night after too much travel time finally ended for us back at home.
And it’s been on my mind a lot. An awful lot. Because while I agree with Ed in that our military was formed to guard our great country and its inhabitants, and that should be their only consideration when enlisting or re-enlisting, I also agree with Glenn Beck for many reasons.
We have, as their CinC, a man who is an avowed hater of Traditional American norms, the Constitution, and, in fact, the country’s entire history and foundation. Obama’s administration seems to be on a rampage to destroy and damage prior administrations, or anyone who acted however legally to protect America and Americans if it was contrary to their beliefs on how the jobs should have been done, and anyone who represents any traditional aspect of this nation and/or society of which they disapprove.
Obama does not like and regularly dishonors the military, IMHO, yet he’s no fool and recognizes that our military is vital to our continued existence in a dangerous world. So he’ll allow it to operate while at the same time putting so many restraints and shackles on it as to tightly control what actions can and cannot be allowed. And he’ll throw the whole Pentagon under the bus in a heartbeat to save his own political hide, if necessary, and won’t stand watch for any of them. He can’t even bring himself to put his hand over his heart when the national anthem is played.
The military does not have a CinC watching their backs. They’ll be court martialed if they sneeze wrong, ruining lives and careers. And if they die trying to protect a country that has Obama’s deepest disdain…… oh well. (You can almost see that in his eyes at each of his official duties involving the US military.)
If someone told me that it was my duty as an American to go stand in the line of fire, but don’t expect to be rescued, or be given what you need to do your duty, and don’t forget that you have to fight with hands tied behind your back…..
Hell, I’d go home at the end of my tour of duty and tell everyone I knew who was considering enlisting or re-enlisting that perhaps it’s time for this country to get a good slap upside the head to wake it up to what it’s throwing away and needlessly sacrificing by robbing future generations of a stable and secure future here.
And I’d probably say the same things that Beck said to his nephew. And if I had a TV/Cable program, I’d probably say those things on air, too. Because the only way NOT to prevent a problem turning into a life and lifestyle threatening crisis is by sweeping it under the carpet and not talking about it or even acknowledging it exists.
While I don’t like him very much, I will say that, like Allahpundit (who I do rather like in a friendly admiration sorta way), Beck says and does things so outrageous that it makes one pull oneself up and stop and think, really seriously think, things through.
We desperately need that on all levels right now. We need to be looking at these realities honestly and thoughtfully, and to talk them through with others who share this great nation and society. We all have an awful lot to lose is we don’t alter the death-spiraling course Obama and the Democrats and Libs/Progs have placed us on.
KendraWilder on November 27, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Check, check, can you hear me in the back row?
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 12:18 AM
davidk on November 26, 2009 at 5:54 PM
That buys into the false choice that it has to be one or the other. Electing the best you can get and working to hold hold feat to the fire is a more sensible and patriotic solution to the dilemma. Not having a hissy fit when you don’t get what you want. Trotting out the “you got to go through Carter to get to Reagan” argument to is bad enough but don’t insult everyone else’s intelligence by then saying that “anything less than making [our soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines] our TOP priority is unforgivable” because he has done as much.
Not loaded at all. When there is a primary race and a less than conservative candidate comes out your (and my) issue isn’t with the “GOP” it is with the voters who chose the candidate. If there wasn’t a genuine candidate running who’s fault is that?
McCain would have given the his Generals whatever the hell they asked for. He had some lousy ideas in terms of domestic policy that would have taken work to stop but on the war in Iraq he was right when everyone else was saying he was wrong. He is right about Af-Pak and Obama has taken 5 months to act on his generals recommendations. And again, it is a false choice. A stupid statement that disallows the fact that McCain could have been stopped on his stupid tendencies. Obama just thinks you are a bitter gun clinging racist.
No. I. Haven’t. There is a thread that goes through his statements that it is OK to bring harm to the country if it somehow brings about a greater good. He likened it to chemotherapy once, a boiling frog another time. It is never OK to bring about harm to the USA through action or inaction. Especially when it means that you are making the job that our Soldiers and Sailors have to do more dangerous and difficult.
If it is treason for Harry Reid to declare the surge a failure while we have men and women fighting to make it a success then isn’t it treason for Beck to declare that we are better off under Obama because he will injure the country all at once?
Maybe if you studied our Constitution you would realize that the phrase “oppose the enemy “both foreign and domestic” isn’t in it. It is in the oath of service. I swore that oath and my actions have been congruent with my promise. You are endeavoring to defend someone who plays pretty fast and loose with his allegiance to the country. (Frog goes in water, frog dies)
No. That is not the thinking question from anyone. We need to prevail in our fight against the scum that attacked us. We also need to prevail against the scum that enable them here. A really, really great way of doing that is to keep them out of office.
No it isn’t. Losing the war against al qaeda in Afghanistan will pretty much confirm the worst that bin laden has said about the USA and guarantee further jihadist attacks. The idea that this is somehow acceptable so you can gain a few points in the approval ratings is inherently treasonous.
Well, no. In not getting off our asses to demand accountability we have allowed them to spend too much money. The corrective measure that has been advocated is to elect someone who has blown the lid off spending and has effectively bankrupted the country. Stupid.
False choice.
Not to mention the idiots who go on TV to tell our servicemen not to re-enlist.
It stands. Kos wants to elect the likes of Obama. Beck wants to split the opposition with the end result being creeps like Obama get elected. Kos doesn’t want people to serve in the military. Beck is telling people not to serve in the military. Kos wants us to be plunged into socialism, Beck thinks we are better off. Writing it off as “asinine and irrational” is a cop-out that helps you ignore the simple fact that what he is advocating is counterproductive. Indeed, the results are the opposite of what he supposedly stands for.
You should only use that thesaurus as a doorstop.
“Trying” implies doing something. Losing a war isn’t what the country needs. Neither is getting our military personnel killed because they don’t have the proper back up.
So the best way to win a war is to undercut our military to bring people home to post on hot air and become beck fanboys. Not much of a strategist are you?
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 12:21 AM
Check-
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 12:36 AM
You said;
After Mr. Laskie said;
If you are going to lie, do not do it where you can so easily get caught. I know that you probably want to emulate Obama, but….Oh well.
Johan Klaus on November 27, 2009 at 1:03 AM
davidk
How about being self contradictory and all over the place? We can win the war on Afghanistan by bringing our troops home? It’s new-speak.
Go play survivalist if you want… You might have to give up posting on the internet from the comfort of your lazy-boy which would be a great shame…
Well yes, yes you have. If you want to punish the country to teach it a lesson, If you want to lose a war for partisan political benefit, If you put your tantrum before the good of the country then you are a traitor. No better than Harry Reid, John Murtha, et al.. In another time telling people not to serve their country in a time of war would have gotten you shot. Now, supposed “conservatives” defend it.
You aren’t going to be shooting anyone by the way because you are an internet blowhard who would wet his pants with a water pistol.
If you don’t know what it means how do you know that you were called a brat?
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 1:10 AM
davidk
Go play survivalist if you want… You might have to give up posting on the internet from the comfort of your lazy-boy which would be a great shame…
Well yes, yes you have. If you want to punish the country to teach it a lesson, If you want to lose a war for partisan political benefit, If you put your tantrum before the good of the country then you are a traitor. No better than Harry Reid, John Murtha, et al.. In another time telling people not to serve their country in a time of war would have gotten you shot. Now, supposed “conservatives” defend it.
You aren’t going to be shooting anyone by the way because you are an internet blowhard who would wet his pants with a water pistol.
If you don’t know what it means how do you know that you were called a brat?
I am. That was the whole point. They should get what they need to do their job. They shouldn’t be discouraged from serving. Right Stephen Hawking?
I served and was shot at under Clinton and I didn’t quit because I disliked the man. I stayed because I love my country. That said, If you want to take a bullet be my guest.
No thanks, I don’t go that way. It does explain your drama queen hissy fit though.
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 1:12 AM
See below.
But you did get caught.
Johan Klaus on November 27, 2009 at 1:18 AM
Rywall is a liar.
Johan Klaus on November 27, 2009 at 1:26 AM
I totally disagree with Beck on this one. Regardless of how the war is being conducted by our civilian leadership, and despite the restrictions placed upon our men and women who are serving, it does not take away from the importance of our mission. I think most people on this site agree that failure in the AfPak theater and Iraq have far reaching consequences which none of us would like to imagine. That being said, I’d say that now is the time to join the military with so much at stake. I’m signing my enlistment papers on Wednesday as an OS9. Personally, I’m not a fan of President Obama (thoughts which I will have to suppress) and his prosecution of the GWOT. However, given my belief in the importance of our mission, I believe it’s my duty to contribute something to see that we are successful in accomplishing our goals. The Glenn Becks and the Fred Thompsons (and countless others) need to separate themselves from the partisan politics and either lend a hand or shut the hell up. Leave the surrender political hack b.s. to Code Pink and MoveOn.org.
Shock the Monkey on November 27, 2009 at 1:29 AM
ROFL.
You really are a kick. First an MP, now a sailor who served on the Midway during the Iran Hostage Crisis.
Can’t wait for the next “disclosure”!
atheling on November 27, 2009 at 1:29 AM
Oh, it reads like you couldn’t believe the US military would take someone from another country.
DSchoen on November 27, 2009 at 5:57 AM
What does W. have to do with Obama’s ‘dithering’?
Are you claiming Obama “inherited” his ‘dithering’ from Bush?
DSchoen on November 27, 2009 at 6:03 AM
Ow! Quit it, you silly boy. I give. You win.
davidk on November 27, 2009 at 7:22 AM
Um. Are we talking about Beck or ‘Bama?
davidk on November 27, 2009 at 7:24 AM
I believe the proper vernacular for davie boy is …TOOL ! Lol !
Yea… that’s the ticket !
jerrytbg on November 27, 2009 at 7:59 AM
Thesaurus? Don’t have one. Don’t need one.
But:
http://www.onlinedictionary.com/
http://www.ego4u.com/
davidk on November 27, 2009 at 8:00 AM
Exactly. That’s why I voted for Mac. That’s how we “plunge America into the boiling water of socialism quickly.”
Since you are a relative newbie, you wouldn’t remember that I argued that same thing during the campaign.
But, if I’m going to waste my vote again, it will be on a conservative and not another RINO.
http://caosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nomorerinos.jpg
davidk on November 27, 2009 at 8:31 AM
Which war under Clinton was that?
ray on November 27, 2009 at 8:57 AM
Quit making the questions so hard.
davidk on November 27, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Never discourage service to our Country in the military, regardless of who is POTUS.
There is no greater honor than serving. It’s bigger than who is the POTUS at the time.
tatersalad on November 27, 2009 at 9:29 AM
I was listening to Dennis Miller when a father of a soldier called in and stated the soldiers aren’t getting what they need because the transport planes were with O in China. Our soldiers not getting the reinforcements, equipment and personal items they need. WTF, they should fight for America while it turns its back on them? Yes, the majority of America supports the troops but the man at the helm has all the power to fiddle regarding the next surge while breaking the speed limit to make this country a socialist hell. My heart breaks for them – my G-d! Bring them home. C&C has let our soldiers in Afghanistan twist in the wind.
flameofjudah on November 27, 2009 at 10:17 AM
And which branch of the military?
Johan Klaus on November 27, 2009 at 10:27 AM
You’re funny. You remind me of Martha Stewart. She criticized Sarah Palin and considered her a very dangerous person. But then she admitted that she didn’t listen to any of her interviews or read her book and doesn’t intend to. You and Martha are just wells of idiocy. LOL!
mizflame98 on November 27, 2009 at 10:35 AM
That was the point. I was challenging his lie because I knew he stole a post line for line from another person. I just couldn’t find the post. (Thanks to Johan Klaus on November 27, 2009 at 1:03 AM for finding it) This was the best way I could find to trip him up in his own lie. Damn! I feel like those kids at the end of a Scooby-Do episode whenever I have to explain my techniques to someone.
mizflame98 on November 27, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Beck says that Palin would chatter at him like he’s in the kitchen?
I’m curious to see the reaction from readers about THAT gem.
AnninCA on November 27, 2009 at 11:01 AM
OK dipstick . . . reveal your convoluted logic and explain your premiss. I’ll say one thing; you certainly selected an appropriate web monicker.
rplat on November 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM
That was funny.
mizflame98 on November 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Wow, seriously?
OK. Seemed horribly sexist to me.
AnninCA on November 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM
You need a sense of humor. It was obviously a joke.
mizflame98 on November 27, 2009 at 12:00 PM
As a Veteran Soldier, I agree with Beck, and disagree with you, Ed. If you would council your friend/relative to re-up in the forces, believing full well he faced a distinct possibility of prosecution for doing his job, being left high and dry by a Liberal Socialist Democratic Party dominated Congress when he is in desperate need of weapons, equipment, reinforcements; if you believed he’d be used as a photo-op, as opposed to an unrestrained professional Soldier, then that means your advice is suspect. In the forces, we all believe in the creedo: “LEAVE NO MAN BEHIND”. I don’t know what you’re thinking to chastise a man that believes its unwise to work for those that believe in the opposite, and clearly have no more regard for the forces’ lives, than a child does that of a toy soldier.
Virus-X on November 27, 2009 at 12:15 PM
The former male cheerleader invades the wrong country and you race fans support him. BHO gives the military a raise and is in the process of ending Bush’s Folly and you hate him. What a bunch of dopes. It’s amazing that any of you ever were employed.
simplesimon on November 27, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Some of you people are no different than the anti-war morons who got excited over Bush haters in the military. You are just as anti-American and pathetic as they were. I used to find Beck sometimes entertaining and amusing but now consider him scum of the earth. Anyone who agrees with him…I take comfort that you will be mocked and pushed aside just like the left wing loons were. Stop your darn whining pity party and actually accomplish something noble.
fastestslug on November 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM
After you.
Bueller? Bueller?
davidk on November 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM
I just graduated college and considering joining the Navy.
Go eff yourself, loser.
fastestslug on November 27, 2009 at 1:39 PM
How noble. (Flunk Eng. 101?)
davidk on November 27, 2009 at 1:50 PM
You’re the type I’m talking about. You offer nothing positive to this country and the rest of us will take up your slack while you’re busy thinking you’re important on internet blogs.
fastestslug on November 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM
You should have majored in something marketable. Now run along and get a job.
simplesimon on November 27, 2009 at 1:58 PM
You should have majored in something marketable. Now run along and get a job.
simplesimon on November 27, 2009 at 1:58 PM
coward.
fastestslug on November 27, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Damn, I’ve been outed.
davidk on November 27, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Nothing’s marketable anymore. People with 4-year college degrees are being reduced to becoming self-propelled abuse receptacles at some big-box store.
Or did you mean overseas? I’m looking at that as an option.
Dark-Star on November 27, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Cmon, aspiring hero, get a job. Your country and your President are counting on you doing SOMETHING!
simplesimon on November 27, 2009 at 2:29 PM
In this case, and others, they seem to be on the same page.
So why are you taking the contrary position now? Just to give the “newbie” grief?
Lets work (smartly) to see that vote wasting isn’t necessary. At the end of the day I will vote for a ham sandwich if it rids us of Obama. Indeed, It would be preferable to most politicians.
Kosovo/No fly zone. I never wrote “war”.
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 2:30 PM
and your country, and your precedent, are counting on YOU to join the military and serve your country!!
when are you enlisting?
don’t you think you should serve your messiah, and your country now??
right4life on November 27, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Hey there lunatic fringe coward who only loves his country depending on who is President,
I’ve noticed your comments over the past months. You pretend to be all Christian and a defender of the unborn but your true self comes out in comments like this. ;)
fastestslug on November 27, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Someone rattle your bandwagon? OK, so it is somehow “conservative” to discourage military service in a country that is in a state of war? That is what you are endorsing.
I don’t need to waste my life setting up beck shrines and hanging on his every word (usually borrowed from others) to understand what he was saying here. If your argument is that I need to waste half my day to understand what he said in the above clip, then re-affirmed in the one below it then it is a pretty lame argument. Indeed, anyone who speaks English can understand it. It’s just that you wont allow yourself to see something that isn’t what you want to see.
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 2:44 PM
hey there fat fascist stooge!! are you in the military? if not, why not?
really now? I haven’t noticed you at all. and its easy to see why.
right4life on November 27, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Don’t worry, a female patriot is going to make sure you can sit safely at your computer and play political pundit every day on blogs.
fastestslug on November 27, 2009 at 2:49 PM
oh I see you went to college and are considering joining the military…why did you go to college? why didn’t you just join right up under Bush, since it doesn’t matter who is president?
in other words, you’re a hypocrite. no surprise.
right4life on November 27, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I come from a military family who served under Nixon until the current President. We do not think like you nor does most of the military.
in other words, you are a grown man probably older than my father who is insulting a young lady who is considering defending the county you hate this term.
fastestslug on November 27, 2009 at 3:07 PM
well my family has served since the civil war there honey.
oh and its richly deserved. so why haven’t you gone already?? hmmm?? the only reason you are thinking of going is you cannot find a job. and you’re looking for taxpayers like me to pay for a cushy job for yourself.
please.
right4life on November 27, 2009 at 3:10 PM
I started out feeling angry and now I just feel sorry for you.
fastestslug on November 27, 2009 at 3:32 PM
OK, after reading most of the comments, I come to the following conclusions:
1. It’s probably ok for Beck to give his relatives advice. (yep, probably ok)
2. There are 20% in the military who would follow illegal orders from the CIC. (wouldn’t surprise me. maybe the 20% need to re-read their oath and the UCMJ regs again)
3. If no one new enlists and no one re-ups, the situation will get worse. (if the numbers are big enough, yes. I’ve heard that the upper echelons of the military are highly politized now. We need new blood in the higher-ups and the only way to get that is for people to work their way up from the bottom)
4. If Olberman had told people not to re-enlist, the problem would have surfaced in Iraq (no, because people who support and enlist in the military don’t listen to Mr. Windbag)
5. President Obama does not support the military. (I heard that the on-scene commander in the Somali pirate operation gave the ok to shoot by re-interpreting the ROE, and Mr. O was hopping mad about it. Sounds like things might be even worse than we think.)
In conclusion, the many things done under Obama indicate to me that he’s just a dunce, playing golf, going to parties, giving speeches, etc. It’s his advisors who are the real danger to the military and this country. They are just using Obama as a front man to get their agenda passed into law.
“It’s Tommy this and Tommy that and chuck him out the brute! But it’s Savior of his Country when the guns begin to shoot. ” R. Kipling
gordo on November 27, 2009 at 3:54 PM
why? I have a job. you don’t.
right4life on November 27, 2009 at 4:15 PM
What’s holding you back? Go on. Put u or shut up. Stop considering and join already. At least then your holier-than-thou attitude might be a little more justified.
mizflame98 on November 27, 2009 at 4:40 PM
If you bothered to watch Beck you’ll know that this isn’t the whole thing. What is shown is only a portion that is being taken out of context by you and others.
mizflame98 on November 27, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Here you go Cardboard Box. You can bone up on this and see in context what Beck was saying.
2 parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlbXXhxrzxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEysupdF4FE&NR=1
mizflame98 on November 27, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Thank you, Sweetie.
davidk on November 27, 2009 at 6:26 PM
OK, Watched it. Again. What in those clips makes it OK for him to discourage military service in a country that is in a state of war? How does the mess that the Obama administration is making make it OK to lose in Afghanistan? (Notice how he states that he “believed” -past tense- in the war. “No reason that I can think of anymore”) How does this challenge any point that I have made? Seriously?
This country is too important to toss your hands up and allow the far left to make a mess to teach people a lesson. (plunge it into the boiling water) This country is too important to walk away from the scum of the earth, truly evil monsters because the civilian leadership truly stinks. The solution isn’t to gut the military but to change the civilian leadership. Obviously. Better yet; recognize the existential threat that Obama is and not trash the only hope left of stopping him… (Oh well, that ship has sailed.)
Again, Beck has shown himself perfectly willing to advocate injuring the country in order to get his way politically. As has Harry Reid. As has John Murtha. If they are traitors (and they are) what makes Beck’s course of action less traitorous?
Patriots don’t want to harm the country or weaken it. If the problem is that the Navy Seals face courts-martial for doing their jobs then address that problem, don’t call for people to simply give up on the service. If the problem is you don’t like McCain you address how you can deal with the problems that will arise from his administration. Not whine and moan all the way to an Obama victory and then complain that you have to lie in the bed you helped make. Above all, don’t carry on that everything that has been worked for by someone else isn’t right or good or perfect while you outline courses of action that only will result in making a bad situation worse.
I bothered to watch it. Again. Anyone who loves this country ought to be troubled by the way this glorified carnival barker thinks it’s OK to weaken us using the “logic” that it’s because the opposition is already doing it’s best to weaken us.
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 6:27 PM
When the president and congress prefer to use our troops as pawns for distributive wealth, when the bloated spending by congress is more important than our troops having everything they need to fight and win a war, when our own members of congress consider our troops to be murders and stupid, when the enemy is given more protections than our soldiers who put their lives on the line to capture said enemy, etc, etc, etc.
Obama isn’t interested in winning this war. He prefers to negotiate with the Taliban.
But you think it’s more noble to send our children into a war zone where they not only have to worry about staying alive but also worry about whether they will be sacrificed by their own government in the process?
So, how many of our children have to die and be stabbed in the back by our congress and president until that happens?
What way is that?
Beck is calling out those who use and abuse our millitary. You know, Murtha, Reid, Kerry, etc. There is only so much abuse one should take. It’s like telling a battered woman that she should stay with the dirt bag that is beating on her because it’s at least a stable environment for the children.
And how do you suppose one does than when our Congress and president ignores us, calls us teabaggers, calls us right-wing exremists and compares us to Tim McVeigh?
WTF Dude?
How is it unpatriotic to not want to have our children die in a war whose objective have been so blurred and distorted, no one really knows why we’re there anymore? Our government is more worried about prosecuting our soldiers and Homeland Security agents than winning this war. In fact, no one knows why we’re fighting this war since we no longer have a war on terror and the Bin Laden Dept. in the CIA was closed down years ago. The same man whose law firm defended GITMO detainees is now bringing the 9/11 masterminds to NYC to stand trial and we’re suppose to believe that the soldiers that guarded these dirt bags and GWB will not be the ones really on trial? He declared that water boarding is torture after all. At this point in time it makes no sense to send our children over there to die in our name when we can’t guarantee that our government isn’t going to screw them over.
mizflame98 on November 27, 2009 at 7:23 PM
So that means it is now the right time to gut the military. Did you understand a word I wrote? Because the opposition is making a mess does that mean it’s OK to give up on the country or the institutions that are vital to keeping it safe? Or do you focus your energy into defeating the opposition?
So we don’t need a military then. It’s OK to walk away. See how they are effectively pushing us in the same direction when they proclaim to be opposing each other? One genuinely thinks the USA is a hegemonic bully that needs to be taken down a peg and sees the islamist pigs as another tool to do so. The other sees the country moving in the wrong direction and believes a good way of stopping it is to not serve it. In effect what is the difference? In cause Beck may have a point, but the solutions he advocates (plunging the frog into the boiling water, Obama as “chemotherapy” for the progressive cancer, splitting the GOP and not serving in the military) are chipping away at the same foundations as the Chi-town Sandinistas are. IN EFFECT they are getting the same result.
No. It is a false choice you have set up. You sound like you are perfectly willing to walk away from Afghanastan and al Qaeda.
See the frog/Chemotherapy/don’t serve the constitution unless the political leadership is optimum arguments he has made.
And advocating quitting until they are replaced. Get it yet?
So if it is difficult you should just quit. Great. Twittering is easier, huh. More fun. Spending 3 or 4 hours a day devoted to beck is easier…
Re-read it.
So it isn’t about Obama after all, you don’t know why we are in Afghanistan.
This is why.
Right off of Kos. Well done, you have proved my point eloquently: Effectively you are on the same road to weakening the country that the people you supposedly oppose are on. Afghanistan is a fight we need to win. Indeed, it is a humiliation to these vermin that we are in “muslim lands”. Abandoning it will embolden them to a greater degree then they were when the Soviets left. “Our children” are fighting in Afghanistan to keep the country safe and protect the constitution. If you are serious about helping them you are not going to be advocating that we stop supporting the military. You might do that if you want the ratings though…
It’s never OK to weaken the country for your own political gain.
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Above should read: “Right off of Kos during the Bush administration.”
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 8:34 PM
That’s not an answer to the question.
No we’re not. The war on terror is over. Obama said so. He wants to negotiate with the Taliban instead of fight them. Also, the Bin Laden dept. was closed down so obviously we’re not looking for that cat. You can’t tell me why our soldiers are there since the objective has changed from the time our troops initiated Shock & Awe and the ones running this war aren’t explaining it either.
Actually, I don’t read Kos. Listen. No one is stopping you from enlisting or sending your kids over there. If a soldier wish to reenlist, Glenn Beck is not going to stop them. That is a decision that’s far bigger than Beck. I am not advocating anyone going AWOL because there are people who joined and reenlisted knowing that we were in the middle of a war. I can’t stand those that refuse to deploy when they volunteered to join the military. But I would really understand if a person decided that they’ve had enough and opted not to reenlist or not join after high school or college.
mizflame98 on November 27, 2009 at 8:57 PM
By organizing in opposition, not letting them destroy the country to show how bad they are.
Tell that to the jihadists.
Obama is a liar. Haven’t you come to grips with that yet?
Well, no it isn’t and Bin Laden isn’t the only jihadist.
I already have. So lets be clear, you are advocating that we leave Afghanistan. Lose the war there. Right?
Shock and awe was Iraq.
You seem to need a lot of obvious things explained, and re-explained to you.
It would take time away from your Beck worship.
Well, yes, yes he was.
It’s a hell of a decision and some people, …ahhhem, are pretty impressionable. The point is he is advocating a “solution” to a problem that effectively gets us to the same place the far left wants to go… again. He is advocating a “solution” that injures the country, again. Whether or not people get sick of serving in the military is irrelevant, the course of action he has endorsed injures the service and the country at large. If he cared as much about the country as he does about stirring up ratings generating controversy he would stop himself a few steps before he crosses the line. He doesn’t though.
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 9:49 PM
By the way, if you believe serving in the military is a sacrifice that other people and their children should make but you and yours are too precious then you should go find somewhere else to live.
Boxy_Brown on November 27, 2009 at 9:58 PM
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