Videos: Crowder, Reason celebrate Thanksgiving
posted at 12:15 pm on November 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Steven Crowder gets almost the whole gang at PJTV to participate in a great American tradition. Not so much the Thanksgiving dinner, but in the traditional Thanksgiving America-bashing. We’ve all run across this at one time or another — someone who has to use the family get-together to remind us why America is an imperialistic country founded on the bones of others, etc. Maybe they don’t all say “Brah”, but for those of us who have had to deal with a Captain Comedown on occasion, the eventual removal of this turkey will give viewers a momentary cheer:
Meanwhile Nick Gillespie is very thankful for all of the changes since the last Thanksgiving:
The ending is pure Nick. I’ll be calling him on the hour all weekend long to make sure we see more Reason.tv videos after the weekend.
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“And you two of all people should agree with me.”
“Wha???”
Hahaha.
Abby Adams on November 25, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Didn’t the ‘Indians’ also immigrate from somewhere else?
Fake8 on November 25, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Oh… I was a little concerned as to what that guy in the background was doing from 2:13 to 2:17.
:-o
Abby Adams on November 25, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You have been reading comments too long!
(I thought the same thing!)
lorien1973 on November 25, 2009 at 12:26 PM
They’re indigenous nomads … or something.
Ronnie on November 25, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Creak creak creak.
Now THAT was funny.
Bishop on November 25, 2009 at 12:30 PM
I thought they came across the ice bridge because they were running away from the white man? Maybe I’m wrong..;)
Yeah, it was a bit disturbing but oddly appropriate. Funny stuff.
austinnelly on November 25, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Thanks for a little Thanksgiving delight!
lovingmyUSA on November 25, 2009 at 12:34 PM
What’s shocking is that most of them then sought warming climates. The dang freaks wanted a warmer climate.
WashJeff on November 25, 2009 at 12:34 PM
The ‘PC’ term for them is “Native American”
First of all, native means belonging to a particular place by birth – which means that anyone born here can be rightfully be called ‘Native American’.
But that isn’t what they mean – the implication is that the Indians somehow started out here.
Archaeological evidence shows they migrated from somewhere else, hence they are immigrants just like everyone else.
Are we supposed to ignore certain events that happened before an arbitrary time frame?
Fake8 on November 25, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Are you serious? Are you serious? …
j_galt on November 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Hey now, some of us here like the Grateful Dead too :)
firepilot on November 25, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Yes, their genealogy traces back to China for some and South America for the rest.
HotAirExpert on November 25, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Mine is more of a lieutenant commander douche-bag.
Meric1837 on November 25, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Did he call her “Toots”? Kind of sexist, not?
PappaMac on November 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM
I, for one, haven’t “run across this.” My brother might be tempted to say something, but I’ve never seen him use a real family get-together for that kind of grandstanding.
Count to 10 on November 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM
I had an acquaintance of Indian ethniticity that was born in Africa. His family moved to the States when he was a kid. Is he not an African-American?
He filled out college applications stating that he was African-American, but the colleges, when they saw him, removed the African-American designation.
WashJeff on November 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Let’s also not forget that Archaeological evidence shows that the Solutreans settled here first.
So the Siberian immigrants weren’t even the First Americans.
Fake8 on November 25, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Whoa! Are you claiming that man evolved on South America too?
WashJeff on November 25, 2009 at 12:45 PM
What? Beyond “birth”, how many generations (and to what level of purity) do you want to define nativeness?
Like Fake8 says, you can’t escape some level of arbitrariness.
Count to 10 on November 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Yes, didn’t they immigrate across the Siberian land bridge?
Or did they originate here?
Fake8 on November 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Why so upset, it is a theory. An ice bridge from Mongolia to Alaska and then down into the lower 48 was a popular consideration at one time.
Cindy Munford on November 25, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Actually genetic evidence points more towards a single migration route from Asia.
Now the reason I try not to use “Indian” is not out of political correctness, but as someone who has lived in India too, I think we have known since about 1493 or so that North American territory is not part of India.
firepilot on November 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM
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I will ask the same question I did over at ReasonTV:
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papa_giorgio on November 25, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Something else — I seem to remember that even the human population in Africa is descendant from people that moved back into Africa from Eurasia. If I have that right, any definition of “native” is clearly arbitrary.
Personally, my arbitrary definition of “native” would be “a person of unbroken descent from those who lived in the area when property rights were first established.”
Count to 10 on November 25, 2009 at 12:54 PM
No, but that’s as far back as my studies took me. I will have to dig deeper to see how the S. Americans got there.
HotAirExpert on November 25, 2009 at 12:54 PM
In other words, they were RAAAAACIST!
ya2daup on November 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM
I’m not sure if the ‘Science is settled’ on that yet.
But I would agree that ‘Indian’ is an incorrect term, the problem is what would be the scientifically correct term to use.
I’m just pointing out the arbitrariness of these hyphenated terms.
The PC crowd has brainwashed us all into the idea that if someone is “Native American” they descended from peoples who came to this continent from Siberia.
Well, by the basic definitions, if you were born here, you are a “Native” and therefore you are a “Native American”.
Fake8 on November 25, 2009 at 12:57 PM
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By-the-by, here is a paper I did many years ago that was one of three times I had to see one of my son’s principles, as i made sure the entire class’ parents received a copy:
Happy Thanksgiving
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papa_giorgio on November 25, 2009 at 12:58 PM
I was playing a bit with the contradiction that people can be indigenous to a country just by wandering through it. Obviously their physical traits link them to their Asian/Russian brothers.
Ronnie on November 25, 2009 at 12:59 PM
I believe it was a land bridge due to lower sea levels during the Ice Age…
…which — and this is good news — means that the current onset of global cooling will in fact lower the sea levels, thereby fulfilling a campaign promise of The Obi-Won!
ya2daup on November 25, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Kind of weird, but, according to this:
http://www.fammed.sunysb.edu/surgery/america.html
the naming of “America” is actually somewhat uncertain.
Count to 10 on November 25, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Why, loading the musket – what did you think he was doing?
:-)
Shay on November 25, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Its about as settled as it can be, with genetic, archeological, anthropologic and cultural evidence, all pointing towards Siberia as a migration route for the first ones that lived in the western hemisphere
As for South American, well there are 3 routes for that. First you had those that came from Siberia and just kept going, down through western US, to Mexico, central America to South American.
Then the Europeans, and then later African slave trade, which incidentally brought far far more slaves to South American continent than to the US. You will never hear Jesse Jackson or Sharpton acknowledge that point though.
And then there are those that for religious reasons believe that “Indians”/natives, aboriginal Americans, etc came from Isreal, but no evidence of that whatsoever, other than a book around 1820 or so that theorized it that someone later on included into a Book.
firepilot on November 25, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Post me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk
Jerricho68 on November 25, 2009 at 1:04 PM
I am sure you are correct, it’s been a long time since I have read anything about it. You do make a good point about sea levels, you are a dangerous skeptic.
Cindy Munford on November 25, 2009 at 1:06 PM
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Evolutionary science has until recently taught that “man” evolved on three different continents (three different strains if you will). This was one of the reasons behind genetic racism found in evolutionary biology. The Bible on the other hand has always maintained that mankind was “evolved,” I would say devolved from Adam and Eve. Jesus (e.g., God in historic orthodox Christian understanding) taught it — “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female’” (Mark 10:6); Acts confirms it, “From one man he made every nation of men” (Acts 17:26a).
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Now, Science has finally caught up with the Bible as mitochondrial DNA has proven that we have all come from one woman. Which is why many peer-reviewed articles discrediting multiple “races” have appeared in Scientific American, Nature, and Science magazines/journals.
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papa_giorgio on November 25, 2009 at 1:07 PM
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Much about this topic is answered — believe it or not — in a documentary made to respond to bad history taught by ther Mormon church:
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papa_giorgio on November 25, 2009 at 1:10 PM
I’ll start buying “prospective beachfront property” on the continental shelf any day now! ;=?
ya2daup on November 25, 2009 at 1:11 PM
What about the Solutrean-Clovis Connection theory?
Fake8 on November 25, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Masturbating.
/oh that was rhetorical???
Abby Adams on November 25, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Let’s not get wrapped around the axle whether we should call call ‘em “American Indians” or “Tribals” and focus on the video…
A couple of weeks ago I was talking about the subject of Tribal peoples with someone very close to Steve that basically went like this:
“I kinda admire how South American Tribes had knowledge of architecture and basic science compared to North American Tribes, but none of them progressed farther than the Stone Age for thousands of years. I mean, how could nomads that moved all of their stuff with the seasons not invent the wheel?”
“Yeah, wouldn’t there have been some teenage boy in the tribe that said: ‘I’m not dragging Snorting Buffalo’s bag of dreamcatchers to the winter spot this year. There’s gotta be a less impact way of doing this…”
“The wheel! Dude, the f**king WHEEEEEEEEEEEEL.”
I’m glad that convo sorta made it into this video. I just wish the ending had been stronger than “let’s have a Pilgrim magically appear and shoot Hippie Steve with a musket.”
ScottMcC on November 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Good stuff.
I remember reading somewhere that the “Great Plains” were once a “Great Forest” before the natives burned it down, and we know that they hunted most of the large land mammals to extinction.
Count to 10 on November 25, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Dr. Spencer Wells, who heads The National Geographic Society’s “Genographic” (DNA Ancestry) Project, reports on work to track human migration using genetic markers here. On the site is an interactive map that diagrams hypothetical human migration routes.
ya2daup on November 25, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Darn it….you two made me look! Better not let blantantblue watch. ( :
yoda on November 25, 2009 at 1:36 PM
I have to put up with a turd like that in my extended family. Perhaps the solution was right in front of me the whole time.
SouthernGent on November 25, 2009 at 1:39 PM
To be honest, they do have an out: if gods are throwing miracles (and curses) around, there is noting to say one didn’t change everyone’s DNA…and their language…and their culture…to look like some other people that had a better reason for being there in the first place…
Well, its not like the anthropological evidence is consistent with any religion’s mythology, anyway.
Count to 10 on November 25, 2009 at 1:58 PM
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Thank You Count to 10. I tweaked the linked post a bit to make it more “presentation-friendly,” hopefully.
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papa_giorgio on November 25, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Not me!
/total lie
That was very funny…Iol’d.
Bob's Kid on November 25, 2009 at 2:48 PM
I don’t know about the rest of the Indian nations, but my nation, the Cherokee, did a pretty good job of surviving. In fact we had a member of Congress before the Civil War and had a written language, assimilated into society pretty well and we are still able to say we are Cherokee. In fact we made a pretty good amount of money on our own (without any casinos) with manufacturing and tourism before the gambling fiasco came about. A once proud people, who walked from North Carolina to Oklahoma was felled not by the white man, but by gambling! What a disgrace.
flytier on November 25, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Clearly the Soultrains didn’t settle here until the early seventies…bringing much funk and boogeyage.
MechEng5by5 on November 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Yeah, I was relieved to find out that he was just loading up his “Long Rifle”.
crazedarmenian on November 25, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Yeah. It looked like he was getting ready to unload his “long rifle”. hahaha
csdeven on November 25, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Was this a serious question? You have written several cogent posts after this one, so I dont know if you are just being oddly rhetorical or want a serious answer. If its the latter, isnt it obvious he hanged himself cause life sucks under Obama and isnt looking to get much better? It was meant as a sick joke. Maybe not your taste?
di butler on November 25, 2009 at 9:23 PM
That’s a Peace Prize!
Maquis on November 26, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Sorry, Reason, I’m not getting the hanging thing.
Connie on November 26, 2009 at 3:00 AM
It is? I thought the ‘PC’ term was “savage heathens.”
AaronGuzman on November 26, 2009 at 7:23 AM