Quotes of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on November 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
“President Barack Obama’s top aides met frequently with lobbyists and health care industry heavyweights as his administration pieced together a national health care overhaul, according to White House visitor records obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press…
“The records list the kinds of people usually involved in Washington policymaking: business, union and trade association executives, lobbyists and political strategists. Wednesday’s disclosure was significant because of Obama’s campaign promise to change business as usual in Washington, and because he voluntarily released records showing the access of special interests as the administration crafted national health care policy.”
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“The Senate Republicans’ chart demonstrates that the total for all of these costs — based on CBO projections for the bill’s true first 10 years — is $2.5 trillion. And costs would only skyrocket from there, as the chart’s trajectory suggests. In the 5 years to follow (2024-28), spending on “expansions in insurance coverage” alone would be $1.7 trillion, making the bill’s total costs in its real first 15 years well over $4 trillion — based on CBO projections.”

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“The Democrats sincerely believe that nationalized health care, in one form or another, is the best thing for America, and that if they can get it passed, voters will fall in love with it. Politically, there is a real danger they’re right. Americans are loath to relinquish entitlements once they’ve secured them. That’s the Republicans’ gamble.
“Then again, Democrats run the very serious risk that before the imagined joys of health-care reform can be realized, voters will revolt over its tax hikes, massive Medicare cuts, increased bureaucracy, and/or its budget-exploding costs. That’s the Democrats’ gamble.
“Some moderate Democrats are making a side bet that they can vote for it out of solidarity and then run back to the center come the 2010 elections.
“Well, I say let it ride. And just to make it more interesting, Republicans should promise to repeal ‘Obamacare’ if they get a congressional majority in 2010. As National Review’s Ramesh Ponnuru argues, that way moderate Democrats won’t be able to run away from their votes come 2010. They’ll be on notice that this will be the campaign issue of the election. And moderate Republicans will be on notice to resist the temptation to tinker with Obamacare rather than defenestrate it once it’s passed.”
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Freedom!
daesleeper on November 25, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Why am I pessimistic about the Republicans holding firm?
SouthernGent on November 25, 2009 at 9:33 PM
HAPPY THANKSGIVING HA COMMENTERS!!!
Thanks AP, EM, and MM.
d1carter on November 25, 2009 at 9:36 PM
And what an honor it is for us that the filthy lying coward in the White House has chosen to put our grandkids in perpetual debt.
highhopes on November 25, 2009 at 9:36 PM
The cost, over 15 year will be in the DOUBLE DIGIT trillions and it won’t be nearly ENOUGH. But, at least, the bottom line will be INFERIOR HEALTH CARE.
MaiDee on November 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Republicans will never have the votes to repeal it once it passes! Democrats have supermajorities in both houses, and they can barely get it to pass. Democrats have majorities greater than Republicans have ever had. Republicans will never get the opportunity to repeal this once it becomes law! It has to be killed here.
JohnJ on November 25, 2009 at 9:38 PM
This isn’t gonna end well.
Indian Outlaw on November 25, 2009 at 9:39 PM
“Why am I pessimistic about the Republicans holding firm?”
Cause they cut and run,RINO often =Yankee Coward.
Happy THANKSGIVING.
I am truly grateful the Pilgrims stuck it out and stuck it to the king,may have to do that again.
Col.John Wm. Reed on November 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Hear, hear.
ddrintn on November 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Did I tell you about my dog Teddy?
OkieDoc on November 25, 2009 at 9:41 PM
It’s clear to us, and hopefully soon the world, that the Democratic Party is a puppet organization run by big business and unions, with ZERO concern for the rank and file.
leftnomore on November 25, 2009 at 9:42 PM
But, He Won!
HornetSting on November 25, 2009 at 9:42 PM
we’re phucked
BPD on November 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM
I have lost all hope.
Skandia Recluse on November 25, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Yeah, I still firmly believe that the Dems are committing suicide.
ddrintn on November 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM
And you thought it was crazy talk…
Indian Outlaw on November 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM
I don’t think it’s really a question of just repealing this health care monstrosity. The entire liberal mindset is simply unsustainable. All these fantasies will collapse under their own weight.
ddrintn on November 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM
No one has explained (to my satisfaction) how you can add 30 million people to the system with no increase in the number of doctors and not have rationed care. That scares me just as much as the costs.
txag92 on November 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Was he a swimmer?
HornetSting on November 25, 2009 at 9:50 PM
This is the kind of horsesh!t political game-playing that made me stop reading NRO regularly, and sometimes makes me want to stop reading Ed’s and AP’s posts.
This is not a freekin’ polite little parlor game for tea-sippers and demure “discussions” of principles. It is a totalitarian theft of our Constitutional rights, and the taking of power not allowed to either Congress of the Executive.
In short, this is a situation too much like the one that faced the Founders when they wrote the Declaration of Independence. To treat it as some kind of give-and-take scenario between traitors on the left and wimps on the right is lunacy.
Forget about ’10 and ’12. If the Democrat goons get this one through, the next two elections — and maybe later ones — won’t mean a damn thing.
MrScribbler on November 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Pay now and pay later.
bloggless on November 25, 2009 at 9:52 PM
I don’t know about that one. First of all it will take a veto proof majority, not likely in 2010.
But it would bring an interesting dynamic into the 2010 races.
conservnut on November 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Change the recommended level of care
bloggless on November 25, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Elections have consequences. The time to worry about that was last autumn, instead of worrying how our VP candidate was doing in an interview with Katie Friggin’ Couric.
ddrintn on November 25, 2009 at 9:56 PM
These stools are not interested in democracy.
thomasaur on November 25, 2009 at 9:56 PM
My God what is with these Democrats and their 5/1 ARM scams?
Ted Torgerson on November 25, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Exactly, the “R” word, rationing.
But they still won’t lower cost. Think of your hospital or clinic running like the TSA at the airport. Sends shivers down my spine.
conservnut on November 25, 2009 at 9:58 PM
This is a powerplay and will never be rescinded it is passed and signed into law.
thomasaur on November 25, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Speakup on November 25, 2009 at 9:59 PM
My bologna has a first name, it’s B-A-R-A-C-K
My bologna has a second name it’s O-B-A-M-A
Oh! I love to eat it every day
And if you ask me why, I’ll say
Cause Barack Obama has a way with B-O-L-O-G-N-A.
Nah, sumbitch kept eating the hens.
OkieDoc on November 25, 2009 at 10:00 PM
We’re broke, so Obama keeps on spending future taxes for newer, bigger Democrat boondoggles.
Thanks, crypto-marxist moron
May your cranberry sauce drip in your lap, turkey.
profitsbeard on November 25, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Scamaroo!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 10:03 PM
You are right, if the right does get power and starts talking about doing it, the left will trot out countless kids and elderly that WILL DIE IF THE EVIL RIGHT WING REPEALS HEALTH CARE
The lame-stream media will run with it every night with ond sob story after another and speculate about why republicans want old people and kids to die.
Once it passes, that’s it! We have to kill it now!
conservnut on November 25, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Not to mention it will require courage and discipline to pull it off.
Bettin’ the farm, Jonah?
Bruno Strozek on November 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM
OOPS!
Must start proof-reading.
with
ondone sob story after anotherconservnut on November 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Wait until scientists like the CRU are in charge of all healthcare “recommendations” (read: laws). That should be enough to send a chill through anyone.
LibTired on November 25, 2009 at 10:09 PM
If you were in China, and were holding the note on America’s binge spending, needed to employ 25 million people a month to keep the peace, and had a military over a million strong sitting around with nothing to do but train…
One might look at this as an act of war.
… Obowma already bowed, the rest is just repo work. A good job in a self inflicted recession, if you can get it.
Seven Percent Solution on November 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Some of us were very worried about it back then, and even before, when Osama Obama first started trotting around saying he wanted to be President.
But 53% of the public bought his act, and only now are some of them beginning to wake up.
King George had pretty high ratings in the Colonies for a while, too. But he was stopped, and the Chicago Jesus must be stopped as well. Let’s hope we can can unseat the Traitor-in-Chief without the bloodshed required to free the nation from British rule….
MrScribbler on November 25, 2009 at 10:11 PM
What an Albatross that the Liberal Party has prepared,
and,its a Rotten Stinkin Filthy substitute of a turkey,
that their attempting to jam down the throats of the
American taxpayers!!
The Liberal Party is ensuring,forever Liberal voters!!
Its like the plague,LiberalVoterBots!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Hey, CN, I’ll forgive you if you forgive me. Gotta be an equal exchange ya know.
Besides, it’s the substance guys, not the style!!!
OkieDoc on November 25, 2009 at 10:12 PM
You got it Okie. Cheers and happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
conservnut on November 25, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Would somebody puleese put the names of Oguber on a website?
I need fodder and damn the collateral.
OkieDoc on November 25, 2009 at 10:17 PM
These days that’s practically nothing. We’ll be lucky if Obama doesn’t print and spend that much next year.
FloatingRock on November 25, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Whats really maddening,is that all this,was a constant
streaming verbal vision on Hot Air!
Right before the election,anyone could read the comments
and know what the future had in store with Obama as Pres
ident!!
And ta da,the nightmare is now upon America!!Ugh!
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 10:18 PM
+1
TXMomof3 on November 25, 2009 at 10:24 PM
HAPPY THANKSGIVING AMERICA and to all that ply the POLITICAL
waters aboard the U.S.S.Hot Air:)
And to all stationed US Military personnel,veterans,and
to those keeping the world safe,
Hawkdriver,stay safe,and Happy Thanksgiving:)
From your concerned neighbour,CANADA,Canopfor:)
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 10:26 PM
My God, if this disaster passes then any and every politician running in 2010 and 2012 had better run on a repeal platform or else we might as well stay home because Obamacare, cap and tax and the “stimulus” (which already passed obviously) are nation killers. We might survive the one that passed but if any more of this gets through… we’re finished.
Enjoy your turkey.
Yakko77 on November 25, 2009 at 10:29 PM
wait till they try VAT
rob verdi on November 25, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Wheres da trolls?
CWforFreedom on November 25, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Obamunism sucks.
Mojave Mark on November 25, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Spoken like a true moderate.
F15Mech on November 25, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Sure, I’d rather see this health-care proposal die stillborn (and that’s still quite possible). But if it passes, the upside is that Americans will finally be given a stark philosophical choice on a fundamental issue. That’s much rarer than you might think (recall that the Iraq War and the bailouts were bipartisan affairs).
This line of thinking disturbs me. In the end, there will be no choices.
Alfresco on November 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM
The GOP doesn’t have to repeal it. When the Chinese are no longer able to prop up their currency by buying dollars they will no longer to sustain our deficits. Then we will have to junk government health care (medicare included) and everyone will be on their own.
pedestrian on November 25, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Trolls are strangely absent.
PALIN!
Nope, still no trolls.
Bishop on November 25, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Wheres da trolls?
CWforFreedom on November 25, 2009 at 10:34 PM
ON the Glenn beck thread spewing.
LSUMama on November 25, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Past their bedtime.
BPD on November 25, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Surprised nobody caught this one yet. Just exactly what health care plan has the administration pieced together? Nancy Ratched wrote the House Version, Max Baucus and the marxists in the Senate wrote the Senate version. Just what, exactly, has the administration contributed to this debacle other than running interference for it?
AZfederalist on November 25, 2009 at 10:49 PM
I’m not sure about letting it ride and hoping for a GOP canceling of a healthcare takeover.
The fact that Ogabe isn’t running for an evacuation helicopter on the roof of the White House, pushing his family out of the way to get there first, is disturbing.
Bishop on November 25, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Reckless spending is one thing about Obozo that is truly “unprecedented.”
Cicero43 on November 25, 2009 at 10:54 PM
How crazy is it that our best hope to stop this debacle may well be the chinese government?
LASue on November 25, 2009 at 10:56 PM
What is missing from this chart are the major tax increases!
A small part of me hopes they ram thru these tax increases in Jan so that they absolutely destroy job creation and lower personal income. IMHO this will push unemployment beyond 20% and get ALL of them REMOVED from office in 2010!
And I do mean ALL!
Then a veto proof opposition can repeal all of this nonsense and Obama can crawl back to Chicago to be heard from in the same manner as J Carter!
Freddy on November 25, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Most of them are already in the gutters.
FloatingRock on November 25, 2009 at 10:57 PM
But, CBS NEWS Fact Check: Health Care Reform Claims says:
So, who are you going to believe? CBS News Factcheck?
Or the facts?
Loxodonta on November 25, 2009 at 10:59 PM
CATHOLIC!
MORMON!
Loxodonta on November 25, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Here,speaking of numbers!!
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 11:01 PM
On a purely tactical level, making the 2010 election all about whether to repeal Obamacare would probably be very smart for Republicans. They’ll be known as its foes already, so there’s no downside to standing against it. It’s very unpopular. And if they sweep in 2010 — as they should — then there will be no ducking the fact that they won a mandate.
There Goes The Neighborhood on November 25, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Only one left: CHRISTIAN!!!
That should bring them out of the shadows.
dthorny on November 25, 2009 at 11:02 PM
That’s a new one.
LibTired on November 25, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Only illitterate beta posters need to profreed.
Loxodonta on November 25, 2009 at 11:04 PM
compare and contrast two thanksgiving messages can you guess who said what?
William –
Tomorrow, Thanksgiving Day, Americans across the country will sit down together, count our blessings, and give thanks for our families and our loved ones.
American families reflect the diversity of this great nation. No two are exactly alike, but there is a common thread they each share.
Our families are bound together through times of joy and times of grief. They shape us, support us, instill the values that guide us as individuals, and make possible all that we achieve.
So tomorrow, I’ll be giving thanks for my family — for all the wisdom, support, and love they have brought into my life.
But tomorrow is also a day to remember those who cannot sit down to break bread with those they love.
The soldier overseas holding down a lonely post and missing his kids. The sailor who left her home to serve a higher calling. The folks who must spend tomorrow apart from their families to work a second job, so they can keep food on the table or send a child to school.
We are grateful beyond words for the service and hard work of so many Americans who make our country great through their sacrifice. And this year, we know that far too many face a daily struggle that puts the comfort and security we all deserve painfully out of reach.
So when we gather tomorrow, let us also use the occasion to renew our commitment to building a more peaceful and prosperous future that every American family can enjoy.
It seems like a lifetime ago that a crowd met on a frigid February morning in Springfield, Illinois to set out on an improbable course to change our nation.
In the years since, Michelle and I have been blessed with the support and friendship of the millions of Americans who have come together to form this ongoing movement for change.
You have been there through victories and setbacks. You have given of yourselves beyond measure. You have enabled all that we have accomplished — and you have had the courage to dream yet bigger dreams for what we can still achieve.
So in this season of thanks giving, I want to take a moment to express my gratitude to you, and my anticipation of the brighter future we are creating together.
With warmest wishes for a happy holiday season from my family to yours,
and then there is this message:
Over three hundred years ago, a group of settlers fleeing religious persecution decided to set a new course for human history in a new frontier. Those early pioneers chose a rocky shoreline to establish their way of life. Centuries later, America continues to set the example of what can come from a free and hardworking people. We truly remain the shining city upon a hill that the colonial leader John Winthrop implored us to be.
What started as a small colony in the territory that would eventually become the Commonwealth of Massachusetts has progressed into the greatest and most prosperous nation in history. Americans remain the freest people on earth because of our cherished Constitution and the system of government it establishes.
We have so much to be thankful for. We should recognize especially the sacrifices made on our behalf by those in uniform. Thousands of Americans will be spending Thanksgiving overseas in combat zones in order to protect our liberty and way of life. We should give thanks to those who willingly put their lives on the line for the rest of us. Where would we be without them?
We are also thankful for what God has granted us. We are truly blessed in America with rich natural resources, plentiful energy sources, fertile land, beautiful cities, and the talented and industrious people we call “our fellow Americans.” We pray that God will continue to bless us.
In his farewell address to the nation, President Reagan reminded us that “all great change in America begins at the dinner table.” Thanksgiving is an opportunity to discuss where we are as a nation at this moment in our history and where we should be heading in order to remain prosperous and free. Take time to discuss these things with each other, and take time to teach the young people in your family about our nation’s history so that they may never forget all that we have to be proud of and thankful for.
Happy Thanksgiving!
unseen on November 25, 2009 at 11:16 PM
I still have hope can still stop it in the Senate or the House.
And if it is passed, the worst will not be implemented for years, and I have hope it’s full implementation will be delayed by court challenges. I have more than just hope we will retake the House in 2010, and have growing hope we can even retake the Senate.
With a Republican president and solid Republican majorities in both chambers of Congress, we can and will at least whittle away at it to make it more survivable, and eventually will turn it into something that we like. Republicans and conservatives also want health care reform. We would simply be working off this monstrosity to achieve it.
Don’t give up hope, please.
Loxodonta on November 25, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Point taken.
conservnut on November 25, 2009 at 11:16 PM
OK, my newest blog post is up, and this one my be over the top even for me… Peer-reviewed Hoax…
doriangrey on November 25, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Soooooooo, the democrat healthcare plan is to pay for four years for non-coverage, AND pay for our existing policy through, what most libs don’t understand, AN EMPLOYER, so we can fund future healthcare?
Let’s tally up some numbers: There are 47 million we plan to add, lets include the 10% unemployed we have, based on the fully employed workforce of roughly 130 million, that comes to 60 million added under this healthcare scam. With 50% of the country NOT PAYING ANY TAXES NOW, that means every working person who pays taxes pays double for healthcare to cover those without coverage. Talk about a non-stimulus economy killer and I have’t even mentioned cap and trade yet.
Factor in the illegals who will flock to the country for FREE coverage, and again, not paying into the system we will have a mess within 4 years.
dthorny on November 25, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Conclusion: CBO and reality are both racist.
jukin on November 25, 2009 at 11:22 PM
This feeling of a rope around my neck makes me want to shout from the hilltops…….Thank You Barry, Thank You NAN and Thank you Harry.
Forgot how to get the sarc tag…. Do I really need it.
proudteadrinker on November 25, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Save the rope for the democrat defeat in 2010, they won’t even see it coming.
dthorny on November 25, 2009 at 11:27 PM
There’s no way of denying this very simple fact. The election of Barak Hussein Obama did far more damage to America than the 9/11/01 atrocities. The latter inflicted damage on America from without while the former has essentially been an eleven month terror attack from within.
Let’s roll.
highhopes on November 25, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Look man, if ya’ll papists have posted (per my satisfaction) on HA, imma gonna vote ya in.
Or not.
OkieDoc on November 25, 2009 at 11:41 PM
HA! Dean’s a Dolt.
Happy Thanksgiving HotAir Folks!
oh, and death to america
Kini on November 25, 2009 at 11:42 PM
These are the times that try mens souls!
It seems we are right back to where we started, just hope we have the will power and the numbers to do what our fathers did, and make freedom the way of the land. We can’t sit still much longer and that’s a fact.
jainphx on November 25, 2009 at 11:45 PM
The first message is from Obama. He thanks his family. He thanks Americans. I guess for voting him into office. He mentions people serving in the military, but never thanks them. And he never mentions God.
The second is from Sarah Palin.
Loxodonta on November 25, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Personally, I don’t view the “tea party” label particularly accurate. We are more at the point of opposition to the Stamp Act of 1765 than dumping tea in Boston Harbor in 1773.
highhopes on November 25, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Loxodonta on November 25, 2009 at 11:54 PM
correct. Obama is all about Obama. Palin never mentions herself once. One is a leader the other an egomanaic
unseen on November 26, 2009 at 12:00 AM
The first message is from Obama. He thanks his family. He thanks Americans. I guess for voting him into office. He mentions people serving in the military, but never thanks them. And he never mentions God.
The second is from Sarah Palin.
Loxodonta on November 25, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Hawkins1701 on November 26, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Well, first time I’ve ever screwed the pooch on quote tags.
Doh!
Hawkins1701 on November 26, 2009 at 12:01 AM
I was referring more to the events leading up to the solution, than the solution it’s self. We have sat back way too often when action was called for.
How sick is it that the administration wants to try our SEALS for punching a rat in the nose while capturing him. A rat that murdered 4 of our best and hung their bodies over a bridge. Why would anyone want to fight under these conditions.
jainphx on November 26, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Excerpts from the Great Won’s “thanks giving” message
I don’t know about you, but the last thing on my mind tomorrow will be our country’s “diversity”.
It’s all about him, all of the time.
Schadenfreude on November 26, 2009 at 12:05 AM
egomanaic====A conceited, self-centered person: egocentric, egoist, egotist, narcissist. Informal swellhead. See self/other, self-love/modesty.
Egomania is an obsessive preoccupation with one’s self[1] and applies to someone who follows their own ungoverned impulses and is possessed by delusions of personal greatness and feels a lack of appreciation.[2] Someone suffering from this extreme egocentric focus is an egomaniac. The condition is psychologically abnormal[3] and has been attributed to various historical figures and celebrities.
The term narcissism refers to the personality trait of self-esteem, which includes the set of character traits concerned with self-image or ego. The terms narcissism, narcissistic, and narcissist are often used as pejoratives, denoting vanity, conceit, egotism or simple selfishness. Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote elitism or an indifference to the plight of others.
Freud believed that some narcissism is an essential part of all of us from birth.[1] Andrew P. Morrison claims that, in adults, a reasonable amount of healthy narcissism allows the individual’s perception of his needs to be balanced in relation to others.[2]
While most people possess some degree of narcissistic traits, higher levels of narcissism can be dysfunctional, and may be classified as pathologies such as narcissistic personality disorder and malignant narcissism. Psychopathy, as defined by the PCL-R, also contains a narcissistic factor.[3]
i feel like all obama needs is two large metallic balls to roll in his hand as he talks for everyone to see it.
unseen on November 26, 2009 at 12:06 AM
They’re busy counting their federal taxes owed; hoping there might be some money left for Christmas presents.
TN Mom on November 26, 2009 at 12:09 AM
President Reagan’s Thanksgiving message, 1985.
Schadenfreude on November 26, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Tax revolt. They can’t build enough prisons.
a capella on November 26, 2009 at 12:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qzz7K_E1w&feature=related
Does this sound like Obama or what?
unseen on November 26, 2009 at 12:12 AM
You were not PC.
Schadenfreude on November 26, 2009 at 12:12 AM
MB4 on November 26, 2009 at 12:12 AM
MB4 on November 26, 2009 at 12:15 AM
About as crazy as them lecturing us on how to overcome the recession with tax and spending cuts. (Of course they have a vested interest!) And they’re frickin right.
Thanks (for the second half). The first POS, my god, now Thanksgiving is all about the O? Unbelievable.
2ipa on November 26, 2009 at 12:15 AM
We can’t afford to be PC.
TN Mom on November 26, 2009 at 12:16 AM
I give thanks to Michelle, Ed, Allahpundit and to all of you at Hot Air, far too many to mention, who have given me your thought-provoking comments, your humor, your patience and your kindness. May God bless you.
Loxodonta on November 26, 2009 at 12:21 AM
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