Fed predicts unemployment rate of 7.5% in … 2012
posted at 2:55 pm on November 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Hope and change, my friends … hope and change:
The unemployment rate will remain elevated for years to come, according to a forecast released Tuesday by the Federal Reserve that addresses for the first time economic conditions at the time of the next presidential election.
It paints a grim picture. Top Fed officials expect the unemployment rate to remain in the 6.8 to 7.5 percent range at the end of 2012 and said it could take “about five or six years” from now for economic activity to return to normal. The jobless rate was 10.2 percent in October. …
The math is simple: The U.S. economy is capable of growing at roughly 2.5 to 3 percent a year, thanks to population growth and technological improvement, and needs to grow faster than that to create large numbers of jobs and significantly improved standards of living.
Following the last recession of comparable depth for example, in 1981-82, gross domestic product growth averaged a 7.8 percent annual rate for four quarters.
In this recession, by contrast, the five current Fed governors and 12 presidents of regional Fed banks expect growth of 2.5 to 3.5 percent in 2010 — which would be enough to bring the unemployment rate down only slightly.
“Business contacts reported that they would be cautious in their hiring and would continue to aggressively seek cost savings,” said minutes of the Fed policymaking meeting earlier this month, which were released alongside the forecast. The officials “expected that businesses would be able to meet any increases in demand in the near term by raising their employees’ hours and boosting productivity, thus delaying the need to add to their payrolls.”
Why did we experience a growth rate of over 7% in 1982? Ronald Reagan cut taxes and reduced regulation. He lowered the capital gains tax rate to encourage investment. Reagan and a Democratic Congress also pushed through tax reforms on retirement accounts that created a broad investor class of Americans, allowing much more capital to flow into the market in the 1980s for investment and technological innovation. Reagan also encouraged energy exploration and production by eliminating self-defeating tax treatments for new resources.
Why won’t we get it now? Obama wants to hike capital-gains tax rates. He also wants to increase tax burdens on multinational corporations based in the US, although he had to put that aside for a while. Obama and the Democrats also want to escalate energy prices with an ill-advised attack on carbon emissions. Obama’s skyrocketing deficits portend higher inflation, higher interest rates, or both in the next few years. All of the price signals on taxes sent thus far by the White House and Congress have investors clinging to their liquidity.
So now we will have high unemployment rates not just through next summer, but probably through the next presidential election three years from now. Looks like we’ll see a rebirth of the Misery Index, and a rerun of the 1980 election. If we still have a 7.5% unemployment rate in 2012, Obama will join the Democratic leadership in the Senate on a train ride to political oblivion.










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Might have been a good idea to target the stimulus at something other than your friends’ pockets…
BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 2:56 PM
We will not drop below 9% unemployment.
hawkman on November 25, 2009 at 2:57 PM
By 2012 we have Obama tied with Romney
orfannkyl on November 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM
The stimulus is all deficit spending, right? As long as we were going to be spending money we didn’t have, it should have been spent in the absolute most efficient way possible – tax cuts, both on businesses and individuals.
It’s almost as if redistribution was a higher priority than actual job creation.
BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM
If they publicly admit that it will be at least 7.5%, it’s sure to be much higher than that. Can you say — 9% for the entire O presidency? These 3 years are going to be BRUTAL.
jwolf on November 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM
The administration is still talking about massive tax increases during a recession.
I’d be surprised if the numbers are that good by the end of 2012.
MarkTheGreat on November 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Translation: over 10%
darwin on November 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Yep. I agree.
Why would businesses hire anyone in this climate?
lorien1973 on November 25, 2009 at 3:00 PM
I hope this sinks Obama’s re-election hopes. If the country is going to go through this much pain, it better be for something. I keep meeting people that are being laid off, have been laid off, or can’t find a job. They’re not stupid, poorly educated or lazy. These are good people that are being genuinely hurt by the ecnomic destruction our president helped to make worse.
Jill1066 on November 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM
I don’t believe anything that the Feds predict.
They’ve set unprecedented course to discover doom. I don’t want passage.
maverick muse on November 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Higher inflation always results in higher interest rates.
MarkTheGreat on November 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Hey, Obama’s friends didn’t work so hard to get him elected for nothing…
18-1 on November 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM
It really should be change and hope. First comes Barry’s Change, then comes our hope.
bloggless on November 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM
All their predictions about unemployment numbers have been accurate so far…
Maybe when health care is free and we stop killing polar bears the economy will just fix itself.
cruadin on November 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM
They also predicted we wouldn’t go above 8%.
How’s that working out for them.
Enoxo on November 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM
You lie!
thomasaur on November 25, 2009 at 3:02 PM
WORST PRESIDENT SINCE HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Weight of Glory on November 25, 2009 at 3:03 PM
What are the odds that Obama announces he won’t be seeking re-election prior to the 2010 elections?
MarkTheGreat on November 25, 2009 at 3:03 PM
7.5% Translation: 10.2%
portlandon on November 25, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Obama is not interested in learning from history. He is interested only in what he will say his history is.
BobMbx on November 25, 2009 at 3:04 PM
In other words, Obama will use the “Bush did it” line until 2012 or until he is impeached.
Mark Boabaca on November 25, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Less than zero…
Khun Joe on November 25, 2009 at 3:06 PM
If we pass this stimulus package….unemployment will not above 8%.
10.2%.
Tell me another lie.
HornetSting on November 25, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Where da trolls at?
New name for trolls: TEABAGGEES. Coined by RBNY on another thread.
Genius.
Akzed on November 25, 2009 at 3:08 PM
guys, he has ONLY begun….if the Fed factors in ObamaCare, Cap & Tax, Amnesty and God knows what else, we will EASILY see 20% unemployment…..EASILY!!!!
SDarchitect on November 25, 2009 at 3:08 PM
7.5% will be more than good enough for re-election. Especially with the lot of losers that the GOP has to oppose BHO. Sounds like a winner!
simplesimon on November 25, 2009 at 3:09 PM
How do they even know what’s going to happen in 2012…Honestly
Oil Can on November 25, 2009 at 3:10 PM
There ain’t no “almost as if” about it.
Kafir on November 25, 2009 at 3:10 PM
European style healthcare…European style constant high unemployment.
Next up..push for European style job cutting restrictions.
Caper29 on November 25, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Pelobamareid care will surely make that # higher.
SouthernGent on November 25, 2009 at 3:10 PM
2012? Who cares! Its all over in Dec ’12 anyway.
BobMbx on November 25, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Dream on….the rate will stay above 10
PatriotRider on November 25, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Who’s up for some more stories on how 8 to 10 percent unemployment is good for America! I mean, Europe always averages around that and look how well they’re doing!
Scranton on November 25, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Coming soon…..
Obama to wipe out all federal debt completely with the health care savings prior to his running for another term. As for running again, he will never willingly give up AIR FORCE One or the helicopter for as he sees it they are rightfully his.
bluegrass on November 25, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Obama’s approval rating will match the unemployment rate by 2012.
Amadeus on November 25, 2009 at 3:14 PM
How about the fact that India’s growth rate is 7% compared to ours at 2.8%. Now thats the kind of Hope n Change you can believe in if you are a brain dead kool-aid drinker and someone wanting something for nothing….
bluegrass on November 25, 2009 at 3:16 PM
The math is simple, with tax increases the economy will not grow at these rates.
thomasaur on November 25, 2009 at 3:16 PM
soft bigotry of low expectations, indeed.
Bush 5.7% unemployment = worst disaster ever!
Obama 7.5% unemployment = that is awesome.
LOL
Simplesemen, indeed.
lorien1973 on November 25, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Right after Boxing Day, 2009, you’ll see layoffs by the thousands….maybe millions, as every intelligent business CEO reads the handwriting on the wall. Right after that, the fraud in the White House will SPEND a few trillion more!
GoldenEagle4444 on November 25, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Perfect,2012!!
The end of earth,and Obama is busy unicorning the future
with unemployment numbers!!
Unconscionable!!
Besides,unemployment now is 22 percent,which means,in
2012,staying on Obama course,it’ll be around 44 per cent!
-(Sarc).
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Careful of what you wish for. If a Republican wins in 2012 he/she will not be able to lower taxes due to the lower revenue. Also, as Bush found out he/she will not be able to cut government spending.
It is a lot easier standing on the sidelines throwing bricks at Obama from talk radio and Fox News than it is to go into the Oval Office and try to govern using Limbaugh ideology.
If the GOP is smart they will put a patsy in for 2012 and then retake the White House in 2016 after the country has a firm economic foundation. If they go in too soon they will be just another George W. Bush. If they go in 2016 they could possibly keep a majority Republican Congress and White House for a generation.
Time to keep up the talk radio ridicule and appear to be smart than to govern and let the world know the GOP has a greater lack of ideas than even the Democrats.
Decider on November 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Not only will they not revise the fraud data they have put out in past but they continue to do it. Drink that kool-aid!!!!!!
mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm
bluegrass on November 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Hope and Change.
Do you have any change left?
Mr. Joe on November 25, 2009 at 3:19 PM
If US working people agree to the India labor rates then the US will see growth as well. If you want to earn more than $3.00/hour then you are comparing apples to oranges.
Decider on November 25, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Is this the same Fed that predicted that things would be rosy and that everything was OK in 2007? With Tim Geithner at the helm in the NY Fed, mind you, everything was clear sailing in 2007.
Imagine what change Tim Geithner would bring when he was put in charge at Treasury! Somehow I do not trust any figures from the Fed be they individuals or numbers.
ajacksonian on November 25, 2009 at 3:20 PM
OK, I’m lost. Will 7.5% of the population have jobs?
/sarc
Oil Can on November 25, 2009 at 3:20 PM
How much does it cost for the President to travel to West Point to give a speech? There weren’t any props in DC he could use at a discount rate?
BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 3:21 PM
This is naive.
lorien1973 on November 25, 2009 at 3:21 PM
I guess Michelle Obama is planning to feed the country with her victory garden huh!
bluegrass on November 25, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Uh huh, they are making these predictions on current conditions, not those unforeseen disasters which will occur if the ‘rats implement their full agenda.
Bishop on November 25, 2009 at 3:21 PM
simplesimon on November 25, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Whistling past the graveyard.
cs89 on November 25, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Oh,I forgot the linky thing,on the 22 percent!
==============================================
Shocking numbers: Real unemployment tops 22%
Obama figures deliberately understate economic downturn
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115487
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 3:22 PM
The country’s foundation gets a little weaker every year the deficit goes up. Why do you think 2016 will be any better than 2012, especially if the damage President Obama has done with one budget is repeated another 7 times?
BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 3:23 PM
We joke about the light at the end of the tunnel being an oncoming train, but really, does anybody out there – not attached to this administration – see any real improvement up ahead?
SKYFOX on November 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Hooray! So in four years, Obama will still not equal Bush on his worst day.
Hello, President (Not Obama)!
CHANGE!
Good Lt on November 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM
7.5%…still 3% higher than when he took office.
Obama, it was good knowing ya….NOT!
PappaMac on November 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM
These morons are also thinking of taxing every stock transaction around 0.10% to 0.25%. More insanity.
WashJeff on November 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM
We’re not going to grow at 3%, so it will be worse.
Chris_Balsz on November 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Thats exactly what Ross Perot told us in 1992. Of course you were only 1 year old. This focus needs to be on this country, this economy and it has not been for 11 months. Its on a boy king and his herd of unicorns.
bluegrass on November 25, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Everything is satisfactual in Obama’s laughing place.
So long as we’re easy pickin’s, playing the perpetually victimized voting majority denied legal recourse to document voter ID and election count, with the Marxists in charge, things will only continue changing for the worse.
PHANTOM PARTY
PHANTOM DISTRICT
PHANTOM CANDIDATE
PHANTOM FUNDS
The Fred Thompson Show interview with Grant Bosse of the NewHampshire.Watchdog.org
maverick muse on November 25, 2009 at 3:25 PM
All part of the plan. They know what could be done, to stave this off, and get jobs, and the economy growing. They’re deliberately NOT doing this. They need more, and more beholdened, and wanting, from the government. All part of the plan!
capejasmine on November 25, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Unfortunately correct. I know people at 2 very large consumer good companies who will be making thousands more job cuts in January.
Obama will just stop counting those whose unemployment insurance has run out and continue to increase government hiring and — Voila! — problem fixed!
LASue on November 25, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Not in the near term. Once cap n trade and/or healthcare fail, you’ll see some hiring. Probably not much before that, though. If you don’t know what your future employment costs/expenses are going to be, it’s hard to justify increasing your workforce.
Plus, the implied tax increase on the 4-5 trillion in debt over this same period of time is a real crimper as well.
lorien1973 on November 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Yes.
Yes.
jay12 on November 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
We will never have a firm economic foundation as long as Obama is President.
jwolf on November 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
The Fed’s prognostication record is not exactly stellar. I think above 7.5% is more likely even by the U3.
MB4 on November 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Where da trolls at?
New name for trolls: TEABAGGEES. Coined by RBNY on another thread.
Genius.
Akzed on November 25, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Akzed: Which means,
Men are teabaggees,and the women LibTards are Teabagettes!
-:)
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Lower taxes for economic growth is a myth used by the GOP to gain support. It is impossible as we will soon see in Virginia. In Virginia the GOP regained power too soon. The Republican Governor will not be able to lower taxes and the GOP will be seen for the fraud that it is.
It will be “Read my lips” all over again. A GOP victory in 2012 will set them back for a generation. Wait until 2016 and they will be sitting pretty.
Decider on November 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
2012 headline — Unemployment unexpectedly remains stubbornly high at 13.4%, with the top rate not expected to exceed 14% due to the recently passed Stimulus VII.
GnuBreed on November 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Was I supposed to laugh? Because I laughed.
Bishop on November 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
That is BS. The President has very little to do with the economy. It is the luck of the draw. Turn off the Fox News and think for yourself.
Decider on November 25, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Was it a recommendation and or the advice from the fed reserve during the democrats ramp up to legislating the stimulus package that the unemployment would not go above the 8% figure back in January? I don’t see how this article can be taken seriously in regards to unemployment projections.
Let’s revisit the fiscal policies of FDR and how they impacted unemployment. Failure, right? Compare the current fiscal policies to FDR’s, are they not similar?
These people who consider themselves to be the best and the brightest are quite the opposite in my humble opinion.
This article that you linked to here Ed is just more campaign preparation rhetoric to request patience of the people to give this Keynsian based economic plan more time. The Democrats want an extention on their promises. It is a redo of “Gray skies are gonna clear up, just put on a happy face” bullsh!t. It is another manipulation and delay tactic.
I have a business degree and understand macro-economics. This fiscal plan by the democrats will have dire consequences for the economy.
How do you stop stupid?
Americannodash on November 25, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Tax cuts raise revenues.
Not at all. It doesn’t take much hard work to refuse to prop up corporations that wasted themselves, or refuse to throw trillions into pork for the sole purpose of spreading pork.
Chris_Balsz on November 25, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Thank God for ignorant self-defeating Democrats!
Griz on November 25, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Just in time for Thanksgiving, Hot Air’s favorite Turkey shows up. Oh, the humanity!
So, Race Fan, are you going down to Brazil in January to watch the Left-Wing Paul Newman Racing Team compete in their first race of the season?
Del Dolemonte on November 25, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Maybe the Chinese will load us more money.
Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!
Suck on it ‘progressives’. You’ve earned every bit of it. Why not let Barney Frank “roll the dice one more time”?
GarandFan on November 25, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Still laughing, every post funnier than the last.
Bishop on November 25, 2009 at 3:29 PM
FIFY
Del Dolemonte on November 25, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Heh. I’m not sure if you are trying to make me laugh or not. But either way, you are succeeding.
To believe that in 2012, GOP will not be able to pass tax cuts. but in 2016 – after another 5-6 trillion in debts pile up, they will be able to pass them easier. You aren’t making any sense. Think about it for a second.
On thanksgiving, please consider the chickens, would ya?
lorien1973 on November 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM
So when Medicare is bankrupt, SocSec receipts cannot cover payments, and out of control spending continues at all levels of government, the economy will be firm.
WashJeff on November 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM
thomasaur to Fed: Will you kiss me?
thomasaur on November 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM
When you read some of the stuff Al Frankins bastard children write on here it almost makes you want to support abortion.
bluegrass on November 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM
What are you doing posting here. Wasn’t your right to post one of the rights that Bush took away from you? I’m sure I saw that on the list of rights that Bush took from you. I remember that you provided that list to us…..oh wait. NO YOU DIDN’T!!
You also might want to go back and review when the highest revenues collected by the federal government was. I’m fairly certain it was during the Bush administration when taxes were low…SHOCK!!
PappaMac on November 25, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Wow. Talk about discouraging saving. Interest rates at zero, inflation about to wipe out middle class savings, and now they’re looking at taxing trades themselves. Sheesh.
I was thinking yesterday about my IRA. I have a Roth, so maybe this is a dumb question, but when you eventually withdraw from a traditional is it taxed at the current rate or the tax rates when you contributed?
Because I have a feeling tax rates are going to a lot higher in the years ahead, meaning anyone who contributed in the past is going to actually get taxed higher than had they just put the money in a cd or roth, or just spent it and had a good time.
BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Cluelessness should be a crime. It really should be.
It’s far from “luck of the draw” – it’s setting the direction of spending and tax policy. And regulatory policy. Yada yada yada.
Obama has already made this recession longer than it ever needed to be by passing a retarded fail-from-go stimulus plan. Instead, he could have pushed thru a payroll tax holiday for 2009 and let people keep their money, would have let people have more money to spend.
lorien1973 on November 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM
As part of a total revamp of tax policy, I’d agree with this as an end game, though. A consumption tax (after you get rid of all the other layers of taxation) is a fair tax.
lorien1973 on November 25, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Wasn’t Bush nailed for having unemployment in the 4%-5% range?
I am sure NYT is going to go after Obama for this…this is unprecedented…
right2bright on November 25, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Yep, Bush’s numbers went from 5.7 to 5.6 one time and the liberals said it was the end of the world. Cuz they, uh, didn’t drop fast enough.
lorien1973 on November 25, 2009 at 3:35 PM
The ‘official’ unemployment rate will be 7.5%, as more people run out of unemployment benefits, and just plan stop looking for work in a stagnate economy. Real unemployement numbers will persist at 18%+. And these people WILL vote.
Phil-351 on November 25, 2009 at 3:35 PM
I was talking about this with my brother-in-law who is a financial adviser. Traditional IRAs are taxed at the rate at the time you extract the money from the IRA. SO yeah, a ROth IRA seems like a good way to pay today’s relatively low taxes than tomorrow’s higher taxes.
My concern is that these buttheads will find a way to tax Roth IRA some other way. They have NO sham!
WashJeff on November 25, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Allergic to science and data or something?
The president can do little to impact the economy quickly, but he does lead economic policy. The U.S. economy is a really big ship, and she doesn’t turn on a dime. Get the momentum going (or stopping) and it’s hard to counteract the inertia in less than a couple of years.
That’s going to be Obama’s problem going into 2012.
cs89 on November 25, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Sure as an endgame. I could live with this type of tax too. A tax system that does not force me to submit my personally and business information to the government is ideal.
WashJeff on November 25, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Teabaggee.
Akzed on November 25, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Again they are using U-3 data which is not real unemployment rate. Real unemployment rate is U-6 and it currently at 17.5%.
Personally I think it is near 20%. It will probably reach up to the low 30% before we see a drop.
jdun on November 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM
BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM
When you withdraw.
I kind of expect our current gov. to try to get their hands on some of that money sooner, though. Billions of dollars sitting there in “tax-deferred” accounts have to have them drooling already.
cs89 on November 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Decider is going to get into trouble surfing the blogs on work time. I hear ACORN has changed the rules and they are more strict now since the whore house bust.
bluegrass on November 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM
First and last, Obama et al. want to create a much broader dependency class of Americans. For the Kennedys, the Clintons, Soros, other ultra-libs who made it big on capitalism, and Obama (who made it big on sh*t, schtick, and a smile), it’s “screw you, I got mine.”
BuckeyeSam on November 25, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Ed,
My last post did not show up. Did it get denied outright?
Americannodash on November 25, 2009 at 3:42 PM
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
bbordwell on November 25, 2009 at 3:44 PM
WTF? Obama Dems have blaming Bush for two years. Get a grip on your life.
BuckeyeSam on November 25, 2009 at 3:45 PM
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