Dem senator: Americans who don’t want KSM tried in civilian court can “go somewhere else”
posted at 5:58 pm on November 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
A new one from CNS featuring Kent Conrad, who’ll be spared a “worst person in the world” award on Olbermann’s show for this bit o’ demagoguery solely by virtue of his party affiliation. Consider this a sequel to Lindsey Graham’s grilling of Holder last week: In both cases, we’ve got a Democrat who’s (a) absolutely confident that civilian trials are the way to go and (b) plainly unprepared to address the rather significant constitutional implications of his preference. The search warrant question here is bait but the underlying point isn’t:
FrumForum interviewed former FBI and CIA agents to get their views on the Obama administration’s explanation on why a federal trial should be held…
Unless Holder and Obama have a crystal ball, they cannot predict how the judge will rule on evidentiary or constitutional issues. In fact, a former CIA official was sure that the defense attorneys will try to change the focus of the trial from KSM’s atrocities to his confession coerced by the harsh interrogation techniques. He and others interviewed used the phrase “the fruit of the poisonous tree,” referring to the doctrine whereby some evidence may be declared inadmissible. He further declared that “I am worried about a civilian judge because if that confession is thrown out the rest of the evidence will be as well. Will the judge allow this nonsense into the courtroom?”
Is it possible, as Holder has stated, that “classified evidence can be protected?” Unanimously, all felt that revealing classified evidence will put America’s national security at greater risk. A CIA operative was very emphatic that “we were able to track and eventually kill the bad guys through means that have not yet been revealed and we’d like to keep it that way. Additionally, we need to ensure that our joint operations with other services around the world isn’t made public.” Richard Marquise, an FBI agent who headed up the Pan Am Flight 103 investigation, said that during the Lockerbie trials, some of the documents turned over by the CIA were put into the defense’s hands and some evidence can get lost.” A former CIA official concurs and frustratingly told FrumForum that during the trial of one of the 9/11 terrorists, the CIA provided recanted documents to the defense. Unfortunately, the true identity of an operative was accidentally left in, showing that “there is always the possibility that classified information will be turned over.”
Remind me, who was that wingnut who opted not to “go somewhere else” three years ago but instead praised the idea of a military tribunal for KSM on the Senate floor? Oh, right.










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He needs to redeem himself with the base somehow in order to cushion the heat he’ll be taking on HEALTHCARE!
singlemalt_18 on November 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
All these soundbites are going to be VERY helpful in 2010 & 2012.
portlandon on November 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
This circus is going to backfire on them deliciously.
Enoxo on November 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM
beyond rogue government!
moonbatkiller on November 25, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Well said, Senator Conrad! Alaska is calling you Real Americans. Bye!
simplesimon on November 25, 2009 at 6:03 PM
This guys a moron!
MCGIRV on November 25, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Since there are fewer who support this crap, how about YOU Senator Conrad, and the like ….leave. And don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
How do arrogant puss pockets like this, get elected?
capejasmine on November 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Does that include the families of those murdered on 9/11?
Dingbat63 on November 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Go back to Hawaii, Barry!
Buy Danish on November 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
He believes in Socialist America, where the outcomes of trials are known in advance. The trial itself is merely a show.
Why do questions about the Constitution garner an are-you-kidding? giggle from the Dems? That’s right, the dismantling of the Constitution is their own private little joke.
EMD on November 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Oh, I believe in our system of justice.
I just don’t believe in a show-trial for terrorists.
You Dope!
Kini on November 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM
WE DON’T WANT HIM.
Send him to Indonesia.
Kini on November 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Classic stupid is as stupid does–and simplesemen, your mom wants her clothes back–especially her favorite heels!
lovingmyUSA on November 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Yeah, Kent Conrad is the corrupt SOB that took a mortgage from the “Friends of Angelo” program at countrywide and then said he “didn’t know he got favoritism treatment”. Yeah, sure you lying corrupt POS. If you’re not lying, you’re obviously proving you’re not smart enough to predict what will happen (that is true anyway.) Yep, just another LYING Democrat, being propped by the MSM.
To paraphrase Howard Dean, GOD, I HATE DEMOCRATS!
Webrider on November 25, 2009 at 6:09 PM
So the Senator is saying the families of 9/11 victims need to leave America?
Go blow yourself Senator.
lavell12 on November 25, 2009 at 6:10 PM
You can go to NYC during the trial, asshat!
HornetSting on November 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM
That was a teachable moment!
I think!
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM
ND?
This guy is finished when he is up for re-election.
Sapwolf on November 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Where are me and 250 million of my fellow Americans supposed to go?
Maxpower on November 25, 2009 at 6:14 PM
If he wants civilian trials for terrorists then let them be held in the Senators home town or is he one of these spineless retards in the Senate who were agitating to have GITMO shutdown but when the question was asked where to house the inmates quickly took the NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) position on the issue.
Hellrider on November 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Don’t you love America?
Joe Caps on November 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM
SS,
This does not help your side. Your side will piss away what little political capital you have left with the American people on an event which will backfire.
The public is strongly against this.
Sapwolf on November 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM
WE DON’T WANT HIM.
Send him to Indonesia.
Kini on November 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Kini: Banishment to a former British Penal Colony with
lepers!!:)
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM
ND?
This guy is finished when he is up for re-election.
Sapwolf on November 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Sapwolf:Not soon enough!:)
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 6:18 PM
sounds
farright on November 25, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Yes TROLLs … dissent is unpatriotic…you hypocritical fuqs
CWforFreedom on November 25, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Democrats are breathtakingly arrogant.
BetseyRoss on November 25, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Are they that liberal in ND?
farright on November 25, 2009 at 6:20 PM
What an idiot. It is not just the wingnuts who have a problem with this. The truth is, it is an unnecessary risk and the only reason they are doing this, is politics.
Terrye on November 25, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Hey Conrad, it ain’t your country. If you believe in the Constitution and Liberty, have a seat. If you belive in Tyranny, excessive taxation, socialism, unending handouts then you get the hell out. Don’t lecture me on being an American you pencil necked geek.
rjoco1 on November 25, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Conrad, you two-bit, been nowhere, done nothing phony . . . stick it in your left ear, or the orifice of your choice.
rplat on November 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM
ND is pretty liberal.
They depend of the Dept of Agriculture and subsidies so Conrad is just voicing their concerns.
tetriskid on November 25, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Hey dipstick . . . why don’t you slither on over to Kos where they appreciate your mindless babble?
rplat on November 25, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Seems Mr. Conrad is advocating secession.
On that we’re in agreement. Let the blue states face the fury of the jihad, and pay the price of 0bama’s spending sprees.
Rebar on November 25, 2009 at 6:26 PM
I would love C-Rag to say that to the face of NYFD or NYPD as they march against KSM’s civil trial.
HornetSting on November 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM
If people don’t believe in our system, maybe they should go somewhere else.
- Kent Conrad
Hey guys … Conrad wasn’t referring to our system, our American system.
He was referring to the Democrat system … his system.
darwin on November 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM
So says Kent Conrad, D-ND(elaware)
mchristian on November 25, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Yeah… right…Make Me.
I think you should “go somewhere else”.
Heh. They won’t even talk tough with The Short One (Ahmidenijad), but they get all sassy with the crazy redneck cowboys in their own backyard. Not smart … not smart.
bitsy on November 25, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Someone needs to remind this arrogant pr*ck that he’s only a Senator. And as a Democrat he should really start thinking about treading lightly with his words.
ronnyraygun on November 25, 2009 at 6:32 PM
How do you think they all know when to come out? Some kind of pheromone signal, maybe?
bitsy on November 25, 2009 at 6:32 PM
What do you have against lepers, canopfor?????
Patrick S on November 25, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Exactly where is it that I should “go” Senator?
diogenes on November 25, 2009 at 6:35 PM
I prefer to kick you out, leftard.
See above, asswipe.
venividivici on November 25, 2009 at 6:36 PM
I love the photograph of that Dork on the main page. He seems amazed that someone actually cares about what he thinks. Kinda’ like the way PimpleSimian must look as he types his stupidity out on his keyboard.
ronnyraygun on November 25, 2009 at 6:36 PM
If you don’t agree that terrorists should have constitutional rights then the terrorists heave already won.
BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 6:37 PM
How do you think they all know when to come out? Some kind of pheromone signal, maybe?
bitsy on November 25, 2009 at 6:32 PM
bitsy: The Libtards,turn on the Bat light,I mean Sarah
light!:)
http://diversitylane.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/diversitylane_hate_for-blog.jpg
canopfor on November 25, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Don’t think the good people of North Dakota would totally agree with Senator Conrad if and when they hear his comments. I can think of a few places where Senator Conrad can go….
yoda on November 25, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Sounds a little techy about it I’d say.
jeanie on November 25, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I will say in the spirit of the season, politically-speaking I’m quite thankful for the Left’s hubris. It will make it so much easier to get them out of power.
venividivici on November 25, 2009 at 6:43 PM
You understate where “real Americans” live by a significant amount.
You want all this red area? You’re gonna have to come and take it, boy.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/countymapredbluer1024.png
I double-dog dare you.
venividivici on November 25, 2009 at 6:45 PM
I just hope they are actually used
NoFanofLibs on November 25, 2009 at 6:45 PM
It’s not the first time I’m ashamed of my state! We are a conservative but oh so gullible lot up here. The three stooges (Pomeroy, Dorgan and Conrad) come home, donn their dry cleaned flannel shirts and creased blue jeans and campaign as conservatives and my neighbors buy into their pap and keep sending them back to DC. I am so sorry!! None of them could get re-elected if it weren’t for out of state money though….
Upnorthlurkin on November 25, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed’s Trial Will Convict Us All
How Obama is Bringing Martial Law to America
Expatriating to Costa Rica is sounding better all the time…
Rae on November 25, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Sounds good to me. I’m moving to Texas.
alliebobbitt on November 25, 2009 at 6:50 PM
I don’t think anyone has examined the international implications of this precident. Is this going to mean that if another country (say maybe Afganistan or some other Islamic country) charges one of our generals with war crimes he will be deported and tried in tat country under thier civilian judicial system?
But then the whole thing is something in line with the far left agenda from an administration that will “govern from the center”. /sarc
James Moriarty on November 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM
So if the group of people responsible for pretty much all of the evidence for anthropogenic Global Warming were found to massaging their data to make it meet their claims…doesn’t that mean in modern legalistic America we need to throw out everything they produced?
18-1 on November 25, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Makes one almost want to move there just to vote against him.
Vashta.Nerada on November 25, 2009 at 6:57 PM
I’m more concerned about the precedent being established for military tribunals vs civilian trials. Holder and co have pretty much admitted they made their decision based on their analysis of the strength of the evidence.
So if the government in the future wanted to try a domestic criminal in the military system they’ve got an opening. This lawfare stuff is poisonous not only to winning wars, but also to effectively administering civilian justice…
18-1 on November 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM
The “fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine” is a well-known legal hurdle that I’m guessing the government won’t clear. Essentially, it means that as soon as some illegal event takes place during an investigation – such as failure to Mirandize or obtain a search warrant – any evidence gleaned AFTER that illegal event cannot be used by the prosecution. They can try, of course, but a motion to suppress, based on the above cited doctrine, would undoubtedly be upheld. If most of the critical evidence is suppressed, what kind of case do they have then???
As Joe Biden would say: “..Just three words – Not any”.
GoldenEagle4444 on November 25, 2009 at 7:01 PM
He runs for re-election in 2012.
It would be nice if there was an ongoing PAC with the goal of turning red states red.
Are you listening, GOP?
Bruno Strozek on November 25, 2009 at 7:01 PM
He’s got a point. I’m sure this is exactly what the founding father’s had in mind. /sarc
So, if I don’t like the new pussified version of America that the Marxists have created overnight, I just need to leave as opposed to fighting to restore the common sense toughness we had for a couple hundred years, eh Conrad? Not gonna happen, my douchey friend. It’s time to take you and yours out back behind the woodshed.
Kataklysmic on November 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM
I’m not saying I’m not concerned about the domestic implications, they are posionous beyond reason. I’m just saying that there are impications beyond that that have not yet been addressed.
James Moriarty on November 25, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Maybe Conrad will get eaten by a bear over Christmas when he goes outside for some firewood. No one will miss him.
bradley11 on November 25, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Just exactly who’s utopia is this……I mean is it moveon dot morgue? is it janine godawfulho? JUST WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME HERE
justonevictory on November 25, 2009 at 7:12 PM
The campaign ads write themselves.
Hawkins1701 on November 25, 2009 at 7:12 PM
I know of a place I would like for Kent Conrad to go to.
It’s a lovely little place called Hell.
pilamaye on November 25, 2009 at 7:15 PM
But, will the RNC actually use them?
HornetSting on November 25, 2009 at 7:15 PM
That means you, race fan! Bring warm clothes!
simplesimon on November 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Maybe. Maybe not.
I’m sure SarahPAC will though.
Hawkins1701 on November 25, 2009 at 7:17 PM
2010? No. It’s the economy, stupid.
2012? If the trial is still in full gear and a controversy? Then they should. But my guess is it will still be the economy, along with the nationalization of liberal Chicago machine style corruption, and Barry’s many acts of incompetence.
Loxodonta on November 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM
This all started when we invaded Panama to get Noriega… we declared that US Courts had WORLDWIDE Jurisdiction. That someone could do somthing totaly LEGAL in their own country, but if they broke OUR laws they could be held accountable.
We are now going to test whether a US Civilian Court can try someone without giving them full Civil Rights… because if he DOES have full civil rights… this whole thing is going to be a Defense Lawyers Dream.
Hmmm… don’t know… was he actualy indicted by a Grand Jury before he was arrested in Afganistan?
Romeo13 on November 25, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.CDeb on November 25, 2009 at 7:27 PM
I heard he and Thunder-Thighs and the kiddies are going back to Kailua Beach next month for Christmas. Maybe you’ll get lucky and the new Kalaheo Ave. sewer line will overflow into the bay again? That would send them packing.
Del Dolemonte on November 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Kent Conrad?
…….rhymes with Plumb Bass!!
PappyD61 on November 25, 2009 at 7:47 PM
We taxpayers are going to foot the bill to the lawyers for the defense of these mongrels aren’t we? Let’s save ourselves some bucks.
I propose we each send a box of 5 homemade nooses to the WH and construct the gallows at ground zero (since nobody liked my idea of stoning them with towers ruble and pork ribs there).
But, it would probably be misconstrued, or made to look like it, and we’d all be branded racists.
OTOH, 1 for Rambo, 1 for Axeman, 1 for …
OkieDoc on November 25, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Thunder thighs? Sheesh, such contempt should be reserved for 1st ladies who kill innocent teenagers on texas highways.
simplesimon on November 25, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Like I said, boy, you want that red territory, you’re going to have to take it.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/countymapredbluer1024.png
Forget warm clothes. A month-long cut-off of food to the cities you’re crowded into will take care of most of you.
I focused on military history during my graduate degree in History and, outside of the French aristocracy, I’ve rarely seen a group of would-be elites screw themselves so royally by maneuvering into an untenable strategic position like the Left in this country has. Maybe you should take some time off from thinking up ways to insult people and think about that, moron.
venividivici on November 25, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Please, no. We’re (DE) embarrassed enough.
davidk on November 25, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Wow, graduate degree in History? How did you manage that with a Conservative worldview?
davidk on November 25, 2009 at 8:14 PM
I think everyone is buying the liberal distraction.
BO is a radical leftist. Follow his ideology. Would Ayers or Wright want KSM tried in a civilian court??????????
Only if it gets them released. “Chickens come home to roost.” We brought this on ourselves. It is our fault. This is what BO and Holder believe. Say the opposite and even taint the trial due to conviction assurances, but they want the opposite. Everything else is disinformation so no one comes to the awful conclusion.
Starlink on November 25, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Hey Conrad, GFY.
BottomLine5 on November 25, 2009 at 8:24 PM
I studied mostly Greek and Roman history, where the profs tend to be more conservative than the more modern-era programs. I did eventually leave a Ph.D. program because the Leftism became too ridiculous and it wasn’t worth the hassle. One of the best decisions I ever made.
venividivici on November 25, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Not really. Our state house and senate are Republican, as well as Governor and all Elected state officials.
But for some reason, the farmers and old farts keep electing these pimps who bring home the farm bill money every year, but go against everything the people of this state believe in.
WE’re gonna do our damnedest to get rid of Pomeroy and Dorgan in 2010.
Pomeroy is already running lots of ads praising himself for “fighting” for our healthcare. jackoff.
exsanguine on November 25, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Campaigns in 2010 are going to just love the locker room material that the Dems are giving us!
Woo Hoo! Can’t wait.
Ricohoc on November 25, 2009 at 8:33 PM
How about a change of venue?
Washington, near the Senate’s office buildings sounds like a winner to me. Give the Congresscritters a chance to show us their brave selves.
ya2daup on November 25, 2009 at 8:44 PM
How about a change of venue……to a military tribunal.
James Moriarty on November 25, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Nobody cares what that wuss Conrad says. He’s not a real American, anyway.
Christien on November 25, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Kent Gaylord Conrad, I salute your Honesty sir.
Dork B. on November 25, 2009 at 9:36 PM
“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic, and we should stand up and say, “WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEBATE AND DISAGREE WITH ANY ADMINISTRATION!” – H.R.Clinton.
(Referring to G.W.Bush of course)
diogenes on November 25, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Holder’s MADNESS must be reversed.
Military tribunals, ~not SHOW TRIALS FOR JIHAD TERRORISTS.
Lindsey Graham is trying to get this decision rejected.
Go Graham!
(First time I’ve ever said that.)
profitsbeard on November 25, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Oh, Sen. Conrad you don’t have any creditability after your Countrywide mortgage sweet deal. You should be in court for fraud and misusing your office for personal gain. You and Sen. Dodd could have adjoining cells. Obvious you have NO shame.
amr on November 25, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Wow………if any of you mistake this asswipe from ND for being from SD I am gonna come unglued.
Oh Wait……….I have Tim Johnson.
Never mind, I blew up without thinking.
HOWEVER>>> JOHN THUNE!
proudteadrinker on November 25, 2009 at 10:45 PM
If the NDGOP fails to sweep these three clowns (Conrad, Byron “The Helmet” Dorgan, and Earl Pomeroy) off the table after this, I may personally lay siege to their headquarters.
Cylor on November 25, 2009 at 11:10 PM
So how does it feel being unemployed?
crr6 on November 25, 2009 at 11:12 PM
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