…It seems there were substantially more documented negative “facts”at that time,than positive. It was the in thing to do. Just ask John Kerry …

BY, all one need do is to look at the current political atmosphere to see the corollary to the VNW.
- See the accusations of atrocities on both fronts, then and in our current TOW.
- Examine the record of Johnson, or do we give him a break cause he was “thrust” into this role by the Kennedy assassination?
-Why did the conservative Republican president attract so much feces flinging from the media during the close of the war; I know right? No feces flying now, is there? NO Bush.
-Who’d we end up with after the libturds were able to smear his administration? [HINT: See
Sha Reza Pahlavi]
-Where was the Russo-China pact operating during this period? And as important, where are their efforts focused NOW?
- Are you really stooopid or just neglegent in you scholarship?

And, hell no, I won’t provide you with links and references, do you’re own frelling work. Or are you that lazy? Or, is it as suspect? You’re spending remedial time brushing up on your military history?

Until you can come up with answers to my statements, Don’t try to talk outta yo ass and pie hole at the same time. It takes practice...

Then again you might have a lock.

Sounds to be a John Kerry apologist. I was there , I lived it. Both there and at home. And granted there are a lot of “indesputable facts” to cover your points. It seems there were substantially more documented negative “facts”at that time,than positive. It was the in thing to do. Just ask John Kerry . Never mind it was the people RUNNING and setting policies for that war that caused a good deal of the rot. Same as now. So take your facts and stickem where the sun don’t shine.

flyoverboy on November 27, 2009 at 1:50 PM

No, I’m not a John Kerry apologist, thanks.

Now you’ll probably are going to bring up the “denigrating servicemen” card again. Forget it. I respect soldiers, Marines, sailors, and airmen, and at the same time I can recognize what happened in regards to a very bad minority.

Black Yoshi on November 27, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Sounds to be a John Kerry apologist. I was there , I lived it. Both there and at home. And granted there are a lot of “indesputable facts” to cover your points. It seems there were substantially more documented negative “facts”at that time,than positive. It was the in thing to do. Just ask John Kerry . Never mind it was the people RUNNING and setting policies for that war that caused a good deal of the rot. Same as now. So take your facts and stickem where the sun don’t shine.

Anybody ever notice that the number of terrorist prisoners doesn’t seem to be growing? I think our guys are seeing the folly in the idea of “bringing terrorists to justice.” I think they are more likely to introduce them to their Maker.

Star20 on November 25, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Sadly, I think you’re right. I’m not sad at the terrorists assuming room temperature, though. What grieves me is the potential loss of intelligence brought about by the lawyers who are now making war policy.

Some terrorist got a fat lip? Wahhhhhh. We’re talking about people who recruit kids who blow themselves up. Folks whose idea of a fair fight is planting roadside bombs that could hit an ambulance, school bus, or Humvee.

Where’s the GOP? Navy SEALs Charged for Punching Terrorist Behind Fallujah Atrocity
The most-wanted terrorist in Iraq got a bloody lip.

GRAPHIC PHOTOS:
Don’t Give Terrorist Murderers a Fat Lip; Navy SEALs Criminally Charged

Three….

rampant drug use, civilian killings at the drop of a hat,fragging? HeH Heh I’ll bet you do. You sure as hell don’t get it. Your attempt at backtracking is as lame as the original post.. Screw You

flyoverboy on November 26, 2009 at 2:12 PM

You just want to hate an acceptable target. What I pointed out is indisputable. Besides that, the article on Vietnam myths points out a higher drug abuse rate as the war drew to a close, fragging was real:

“During the years of 1969 down to 1973, we have the rise of fragging – that is, shooting or hand-grenading your NCO or your officer who orders you out into the field,” says historian Terry Anderson of Texas A & M University. “The US Army itself does not know exactly how many…officers were murdered. But they know at least 600 were murdered, and then they have another 1400 that died mysteriously. Consequently by early 1970, the army [was] at war not with the enemy but with itself.”

http://home.mweb.co.za/re/redcap/vietcrim.htm

and My Lai covers the third. The demons existed. Did they characterize the service at large? No. But they existed.

Now you’ll probably are going to bring up the “denigrating servicemen” card again. Forget it. I respect soldiers, Marines, sailors, and airmen, and at the same time I can recognize what happened in regards to a very bad minority.

Heh. Again, the atrocities I was referring to were documented. Obviously they were the actions of a tiny minority, since everybody in Vietnam would be dead if My Lais happened with any regularity – but remember, we do not have My Lais happening in Iraq or Afghanistan. This is indisputable.

rampant drug use, civilian killings at the drop of a hat,fragging? HeH Heh I’ll bet you do. You sure as hell don’t get it. Your attempt at backtracking is as lame as the original post.. Screw You

flyoverboy on November 26, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Heh. Again, the atrocities I was referring to were documented. Obviously they were the actions of a tiny minority, since everybody in Vietnam would be dead if My Lais happened with any regularity – but remember, we do not have My Lais happening in Iraq or Afghanistan. This is indisputable.

F**K your enemy and their supporters. Hell,Mao did it successfully in China and Uncle Ho Chi Mihn did it in Vietnam against the Japanese and the French prior to America’s involvement in that country.

DinobotPrime on November 26, 2009 at 7:56 AM

If what I read about Tiger Force is to believed, they really weren’t much better than Mao’s troopers. However, there is always the possibility I just got the wrong source. Defense anyone?

What’s your source for ‘civilian killings AT THE DROP OF A HAT’ ??

You ARE denigrating every soldier, sailor, airman and Marine who served in that God-forsaken country. You’re denigrating ME–I’m not important but those sixty thousand men and eight women on ‘Mall Wall’ deserve better than what you posted

Janos Hunyadi on November 25, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Looks like another youngun readin liberal history and not havin a f***ing clue. All the dopers I knew were layin on the USS Santuary with regular morphine hits comin.You drink that liberal koolaid you can KMA

Anybody ever notice that the number of terrorist prisoners doesn’t seem to be growing? I think our guys are seeing the folly in the idea of “bringing terrorists to justice.” I think they are more likely to introduce them to their Maker.

Star20 on November 25, 2009 at 10:57 AM

It is getting rather noticeable, isn’t it? hahahaha—stupid liberals

How much longer do we have to suck it up?

My Lai is a black mark, but the the activities of Tiger Force, ahh, that’s debatable. I’m not military so I have no dog in this quarrel, but Tiger Force was doing the same thing as any military unit was doing from time immemorial. F**K your enemy and their supporters. Hell,Mao did it successfully in China and Uncle Ho Chi Mihn did it in Vietnam against the Japanese and the French prior to America’s involvement in that country.

Let’s roll – lulz

simplesimon on November 26, 2009 at 7:39 AM

Or, we could just as easily say, “Let’s simple, simon”. LSS is the new LOL. It works.

Come on man, there’re enough turkeys to go around today.
You don’t have to play one on the net.

The rules of war used to be simple
1) Do not rape female prisoners or civilians
2) Do not murder civilians and your fellow soldiers
3) Treat the enemy the same way they treat your own men.
4) Find and exterminate traitors in your midst.

Enrique, Higher standards in war is nice to have, but winning the war is even better. But the best solution would be this, win the war by beating your enemy to a pulp, their cities are in ruins and their armies wiped out in the battlefield it tries to offer battle and the survivors returning home in rags. Cold and cruel, definitely, but it’s better than Tamerlane’s approach or the Mongols.

There’s no way of denying this very simple fact. The election of Barak Hussein Obama did far more damage to America than the 9/11/01 atrocities. The latter inflicted damage on America from without while the former has essentially been an eleven month terror attack from within.

Let’s roll.

highhopes on November 25, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Let’s roll – lulz

No, I don’t believe the garbage Fonda or any other antiwar tool in those days was spouting. Seems you simply misunderstood my intent.

I think the military does have higher standards now that it is all volunteer, but I’ve come to realize that virtually every negative word about the Vietnam Vets was no more accurate than Rather’s forged documents.

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 25, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Dropping the Bomb on Vietnam myths

Let’s roll.

I think the military does have higher standards now that it is all volunteer, but I’ve come to realize that virtually every negative word about the Vietnam Vets was no more accurate than Rather’s forged documents.

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 25, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Or Hanoi Jane’s treasonous actions, never called upon.

Peeps, anybody that displays this kind of contempt for the freeerdoms they enjoy to subvert those same freedoms should be by necessity be sumariarly executed in the hour of war. Boys, eliminate them, Damn the ROE and “FULL SPEED AHEAD”.
It ain’t Christmas at the Bulge; Your lives (and ours depend on it).
Happy Thanksgiving. Be Safe.

“It really ain’t the place nor time to reel off rhyming diction, but yet we’ll write a final rhyme while waiting crucifixion. For we bequeath a parting tip of sound advice for such men who come in transport ships to polish off the Dut…

And when you’re done with that, you can explain how it’s okay for police to arrest an Ivy League professor in his own home.
Enrique on November 25, 2009 at 9:29 AM

People get arrested in their own home all the time!

Watch a couple of the “cops” show.

When the cops show up with a warrant to arrest someone they don’t sit outside going golly, he’s in his own home.

In fact A HARVARD professor, Dirk Greineder, was convicted of murdering his wife during a walk in the woods.
You know where they arrested him?

Ex-Harvard Med School Professor turned Cross-Dressing Murderer Hangs Himself in Jail Cell
You know where they arrested him?

Former Harvard Medical School Professor Convicted of Attempted Grand Larceny in L.A.

You know where they arrested him?

Lets not forget that brainiac

HARVARD grad who also got a PHD from University of Michigan and became an assistant professor at the University of California, Berkeley at age 25.
Remember him?

Ya

Ted Kaczynski

You know where they arrested him?

That’s right! In his own home!!!

NEXT!