Three Navy SEALs court-martialed after giving most-wanted Iraqi terrorist a fat lip
posted at 5:32 pm on November 24, 2009 by Allahpundit
Looks awful, but I’m suspicious that it’s as bad as it seems given Fox’s misleading headline: “Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist.” That makes it sound like the act of capturing him is the offense here, which would be insane even by the Army’s Nidal-Hasan standards of political correctness.
But that’s not what happened. They’re being charged for allegedly giving him a beating and covering it up.
Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com…
Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named “Objective Amber,” told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it…
[A SEAL witness] told investigators he had showered after the mission, gone to the kitchen and then decided to look in on the detainee.
“I gave the detainee a glance over and then left,” the SEAL wrote. “I did not notice anything wrong with the detainee and he appeared in good health.”…
United States Central Command declined to discuss the detainee, but a legal source told FoxNews.com that the detainee was turned over to Iraqi authorities, to whom he made the abuse complaints. He was then returned to American custody. The SEAL leader reported the charge up the chain of command, and an investigation ensued.
I like Goldfarb’s take: “A fat lip? That’s enough to get you rough military justice from the Obama administration, but blow up the World Trade Center and you get all the due process rights of the civilian criminal justice system.” Even so, the fact that this turd got the Iraqi authorities involved may have left Central Command with little choice here. The last thing the military needs right now is another detainee-abuse headache, especially with some Iraqi pols already leaning on them about withdrawal. Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically. And it will be a wrist slap, I’m sure: The last thing The One needs after shipping KSM off to NYC for his close-up is the image of SEALs being hauled off to prison for busting some jihadi in the face. In fact, according to Fox, the SEALs requested a court-martial rather than nonjudicial punishment, presumably because they know full well how awful this looks for the military. Prediction: Wrist slap.
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Allah…
There is no need for me to read beyond your 1st sentence…F’ YOU. Stand in someday, shi% your pants as you fumble for some way to save yourself….pray to the GOD you don’t have… as you hope your loved ones will be ok w/o you…again in case you didn’t hear me the first time…F’YOU!
dmann on November 24, 2009 at 8:22 PM
I’m not sure these are tears of joy or of rage in my eyes.. But ,what you said..OUT PHUCKING STANDING…
huckelberry on November 24, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Patriot Vet on November 24, 2009 at 9:35 PM
My honor as well,Patriot Vet, I can retire 31Jul11(not that I am counting)…the Miltary is a young Man’s sport! I am tired of the OPS tempo. It has become a grind on this old guy! But, will have NO regrets-I have been blessed…
Static21 on November 24, 2009 at 9:42 PM
The problem that the Republic has at this juncture is that we don’t understand the lay of the land.
His balls should have been cut off, stuffed into his mouth, his head should have been sent to Al Queda leadership with a note carrying the picture of who will be next.
Either we a sending our fighting men to win, or bring ‘em home.
Saltysam on November 24, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Doofpundit spewing more anti-military propaganda.
Why does this guy’s opinion matter again?
TTheoLogan on November 24, 2009 at 9:45 PM
THEY SHOULD HAVE CUT HIS FU#$ING THROAT.. Good on ya seals!!
build the wall on November 24, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Who cares?
Let them do what they have to.
Mommynator on November 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Test…
jwp1964 on November 24, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I stand with the SEALs. This is not a kindergarten playground. This is war.
It’s sad that the likes of Eric Holder and the Little Black Man-Child want a bunch of American heroes put up on a show trial as scapegoats for their own hatred of American and the U.S. military.
Here’s a reminder of just what this jihadist did to Americans. Have a strong stomach when you look at it.
A fat lip? He’s lucky. And there is doubt as to whether we did it anyway. He was turned over to the Iraqis for an unspecified amount of time. Who’s to say it didn’t happen then.
Like Col. Jessup said in A Few Good Men: “You can’t handle the truth.”
pdigaudio on November 24, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Ok, I’m not banned…
They should have wasted the asshole. This goes back to all the ROE briefs that I’ve ended with the following: remember you can kill these muslims, but you better not insult or bruise them. WTF is wrong with our country? Agree with post above that said we should have sent his head in a box to Al Queda with the pic of the next muslim terrorist whose head would be delivered in the next box.
jwp1964 on November 24, 2009 at 9:54 PM
That’s freakin’ poetry Sam, seriously.
russcote on November 24, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Hey Allah, I’m really loving the posts you link to that trash you. They are great. Please post more. I don’t despise you as some others seem to but for some reason I find these posts brighten my day.
As to the subject of this post, all this will do is make it even more enticing for our troops to kill every last man that so much as gives them a dirty look. If they face court martial for getting physical with terrorists as they capture them, for not reading them miranda warnings, asking them questions, for not being super nice why not snuff the bad guy, bury him in the sand, and maintain job security.
chicagojedi on November 24, 2009 at 10:00 PM
I don’t despise him, I just think he’s a doofus with a few chips on his shoulder. You can find one of them at any local bar getting slapped for grabbing waitresses.
TTheoLogan on November 24, 2009 at 10:02 PM
because, to continue in their profession, they must have a clean bill of health. Full court-martial is the only way. When you have limp, chicken sh***, leadership, you have to protect yourself. If leadership wants to feel embarrASSed, that sounds like a personal problem.
SEALS ROCK!
Blacksmith8 on November 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Dear Allah,
GFYS…… and after that go have a big L tattooed on your forehead.
Have A Nice Evening,
Old Hippie Vet
Vietnam 1971
Old Hippie Vet on November 24, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Static21 on November 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM
maybe a different situation but even when the charges have been dismissed they are still going after Chessani which I think is disgraceful.
Bullhead on November 24, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Static21, with all due respect…a Courts Martial is the ONLY way to bring this PC bullshit to sunlight!
NJP is pleading “Guilty!” in this and almost every other case!
God bless these SEALs!
Justrand on November 24, 2009 at 10:26 PM
What the hell happened to you, AP? There’s some severe loss of perspective revealed in your post. It should have read like this – “Bad guy gets bloody lip. Too f’n bad. As in, too f’n bad he wasn’t beaten to within an inch of his f’n life for being a bad guy.”
Sorry, but you showed your ass here something fierce. Go have another latte, drink it with your pinky in the air, and spend some time contemplating the existential meaning of …no, screw that. Just take a break and use the time to sprout some perspective.
commenter on November 24, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Hoo-Rah…………
dmann on November 24, 2009 at 10:33 PM
What’s next? Go back and prosecute the soldier who punched Saddam in the spider hole on behalf of his president???? This sucks!
Ozprey on November 24, 2009 at 10:35 PM
I got worse than that in 3rd grade at recess playing dodge ball, WTF is wrong with these people!!
Viper1 on November 24, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Actually, it’s not just the Obama administration. Remember the Army officer who was cashiered for firing his pistol at the ground next to a suspected terrorist’s head in Iraq?
All of these administrations will leave our military high and dry for political reasons, and the generals will gladly sacrifice those on the lower levels (remember Lt. Calley?). So they may be acquitted but all concerned can at least have the satisfaction of covering their own rear ends.
Even the great Ronald Reagan didn’t do squat about the Beruit Barracks bombing.
Dr. ZhivBlago on November 24, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Justrand on November 24, 2009 at 10:26 PM
I agree w/ the PC line!
You are, in a sense, pleading guilty if you ACCEPT judicial punishment. You are NOT admitting guilt if you, w/ advise of the Area Defense Council, decide to proceed w/ Courts Martial-if that was the case, there would be no reason for a Courts Martial. I hope we are in concurrence on that.
I agree w/ your last line as well!
Static21 on November 24, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Loxodonta on November 24, 2009 at 10:55 PM
They shoulda’ just put a bullet in the cranium of the enemy and be done with it.
HAnthonyWayne on November 24, 2009 at 10:58 PM
AP,
You definitely dropped the ball on this one.. i feel terrible for the SEALS.
The US military command could have used much lesser form of punishment… but this is definitely an overkill.
I hope that Iraqi terrorist scumbag is executed and goes straight to his 72 whores
nagee76 on November 24, 2009 at 11:01 PM
It’s crap like this that causes the military to lose good people. They need to get their damn priorities straight, or they won’t have anyone who’s willing to fight for an establishment that rewards terrorists and punishes them. I’m glad I got out when I did…
Livefreeordie on November 24, 2009 at 11:06 PM
On that note, they should have killed him instead of capturing him. That’s the moral of this story.
Livefreeordie on November 24, 2009 at 11:07 PM
This is part of the price we pay for being World Police. We cannot permit holding ourselves to their bottom rung standards.
Believe me, part of me would rather see that evil bastard get a Kbar through his wind pipe so he can slowly suffocate and drown in his own blood, and still that would be too lenient, but we have to be that which we aspire to be or it is all just a bloody waste with no end.
If the allegations of so-called ‘abuse’ while in custody are true, they deserve nothing less than what they will receive. Otherwise, if condoned, we’re no better than the scum sucking blood thirsty stone-aged savages that they are.
SilverStar830 on November 24, 2009 at 11:21 PM
I’ve said it on other threads and I’ll say it again. War is a dirty but necessary business for survival. To make sure that scummy lawyers don’t use civilian trials for anti-America propaganda platforms, that traitors in high places in our own government also do not propagandize using our brave lads as scapegoats and that our own brave men face do not face conviction for defending themselves against murdering pond scum, TAKE NO PRISONERS. Keep it simple, stupid (KISS).
MaiDee on November 24, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Static21…a truce for now.
Time will tell, but I expect it will tell that an out of control JAG decided (or was compelled) to “make an example” out of these SEALs. I expect they decided to make it a “quiet example until the SEALs said “F**K You!”
Now the military has a tough situation…and a big decision.
Prosecute and punish these SEALs and watch already low morale PLUMMET!
We’re close to “clobberin’ time”…real close.
Justrand on November 24, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Only the chips on his shoulder involve him being cuckolded by women. So he should stick to his woman-hating posts, not military-hating ones.
rinohumper on November 24, 2009 at 11:31 PM
It looks awful only in the fact they didn’t kick his arse more. They should have killed the scumbag.
KSgop on November 24, 2009 at 11:38 PM
The next march on Washington needs to be with guns and rope!
NO I AM NOT KIDDING.
nelsonknows on November 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Allahpundit,
Why? Why did you do this? I am sad for all of us. I understand The First Amendment, but this was unnecessary, and I think of my friends that are Seals that sacrifice so much that it is in poor taste to do what you did.
margategop517 on November 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM
C’mon, Allahpundit is a coward who hides on the internet because of some FAKE threats, or so he claims.
ALAHPUNDIT, I will debate your sorry ass ANYWHERE, AT ANY TIME and I will make you look like the sorry coward you really are.
Michelle Malkin need to throw you OFF of hotair.
nelsonknows on November 25, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Each of you, for himself, by himself and on his own responsibility, must speak. And it is a solemn and weighty responsibility, and not lightly to be flung aside at the bullying of pulpit, press, government, or the empty catchphrases of politicians. Each must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, and which course is patriotic and which isn’t. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your convictions is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let man label you as they may. If you alone of all the nation shall decide one way, and that way be the right way according to your convictions of the right, you have done your duty by yourself and by your country- hold up your head! You have nothing to be ashamed of.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on November 25, 2009 at 12:14 AM
Let me tell YOU something ALLAHPUNDIT, you feckless coward;
I was in Central America with Special Operations during the Reagan Administration, hunting Socialist, terrorist scumbags.
These pieces of garbage had raped a mother who had stood up to them for kidnapping her son and torturing him and those SAME scumbags raped this poor woman, had broken her legs and cut her lips of her face with a bayonet. My unit tracked these SOBs over 50 miles of jungle and killed every damned last one of them; in fact, I personally shot the final SOB between the eyes at 5 meters with a handgun and watched his brains splatter all over the Nicaraguan jungle and I felt damned good doing so.
I was given a freakin’ medal for this, I didn’t want a freakin’ medal, it was satisfaction enough to know that 16 pieces of trash could no longer hurt innocent people and I sleep every night like a baby.
Why don’t you go over to Huffington Post where you belong you sorry excuse, and I withdraw my offer to debate you, you are NOT worth the short amount of time it would take to make you look like the fool and coward you really are.
nelsonknows on November 25, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Justrand on November 24, 2009 at 11:28 PM
The decision is a foregone conclusion – the SEALS must go to court.
Whatever happens after that – who knows?
catmman on November 25, 2009 at 12:16 AM
In Norse mythology, Loki [aka, Allahpundit] is known as a trickster. He is described in the Prose Edda as a “contriver of fraud”. Although he doesn’t appear often in the Eddas, he is generally described as a member of the family of Odin [aka, Michelle Malkin's clan]. Despite his divine or demi-god status, there’s little evidence to show that Loki [aka, Allahpundit] had a following of worshippers of his own [not even Meagan McCain to his utter dismay]; in other words, his job is mostly to make trouble for other gods, men, and the rest of the world.
Loki [aka, Allahpundit] is known for bringing about chaos and discord, but by challenging the gods, he also brings about change [and allows people to rise up]. Without Loki’s [aka, Allahpundit] influence, the gods may become complacent, so Loki [aka, Allahpundit] does actually serve a worthwhile purpose.
MB4 on November 25, 2009 at 12:20 AM
AP hardly needs a defence, but I think all the vitriol is a bit over the top.
AP is not advocating the SEALS be casheared for goodness sake – he is simply expressing how he thinks things will go assuming the current political climate.
AP was not in the military and doesn’t understand the ins and outs of military law and justice. In the civilian world, this may have indeed been handled by a ‘wrist slap’. Of course in the military there really is no such thing once it’s gone to the realm of NJP and beyond.
AP is not a traitor, a POS nor any of the other invectives being thrown at him. He may be wrong in his opinion and beliefs – but damn people…
catmman on November 25, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Mister Pundit, are you of the belief that Seals and other special forces people, or non-special forces military for that matter, are just like police officers? Are you of a mind that terrorists are just like muggers and wife beaters?
Wrong on both counts. Terrorists are more like pirates; they are hostis humanis generis. And the Seals are not cops. There’s no reason to treat someone who should be shot on sight with anything approaching respect. That the precious little munchkin actually still has lips to be split is a sign of the Seals’ restraint, an indication that they were thinking of something larger than just removing an immediate problem.
When you write something truly stupid and thoughtless, you can expect people to treat you as if you wrote something stupid and thoughtless.
applebutter on November 25, 2009 at 12:28 AM
wow…normally you guys save this sort of talk for Bono or Gwyneth Paltrow. They turn on you quick AP!
tlynch001 on November 25, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Ahmed Hashim Abed should have accidently been shot in the crossfire. It simplifies things.
jack herman on November 25, 2009 at 12:32 AM
This country lacks the leadership and collective will to win . Bring our people home . We will need them here soon at this rate , thanks to Obambi .
borntoraisehogs on November 25, 2009 at 12:35 AM
This type of “mind set” does not seem to be isolated.
It is already painfully obvious to all, especially those on the ground, that before June we were blowing crap up and providing Air and Arty when needed and now; American lives are inferior to Afghan by our own rules and the UN has prosecutors in Kabul, gleaning after-action-reports looking for evidence they can use to prosecute Marines and Soldiers.
MB4 on November 25, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Forest, trees….forest? trees?
FOREST/TREES!!!
AllahPundit has a moral dilemma! How should he proceed? What’s he going to type up? Ah! How the media mischaracterized what happened. A link to a story of how the story came to light after the lead SEAL properly reported an incident up the chain of command.
Acknowledged that Central Command was likely over a barrel, politically speaking.
A prediction of a wrist-slap, because right now, the SEALs are more sympathetic, cinematically, than
Adam LambertPresident Obama.AP is taking a beating for this post, and I just can’t see why. He’s not bashing the SEALs, fergoddesssake.
And I’ll bet my own reputation on Hot Air that he turns out to be right, as usual.
RushBaby on November 25, 2009 at 12:40 AM
I have to agree with B5.
Tim Burton on November 25, 2009 at 12:42 AM
I’m a bit disappointed, Big A – perhaps a bit too flip with the “detainee abuse scandal” remark might be why. If you wanted to earn martyr points over this, you seem to be racking a few up amongst my fellow servicemembers.
I will frown at you re: this, but I still have a fair store of good will from my OEF deployment and your support/reporting. So you have that going for you…
LTC John on November 25, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Oh, and MB4 – I have had plenty of disagreements with you re: Iraq – but that Loki analogy was GOLDEN. Credit where credit is due, to you!
LTC John on November 25, 2009 at 12:48 AM
A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the
means.
- Thomas Jefferson
MB4 on November 25, 2009 at 12:56 AM
I just
stoleborrowed it from the Norse and made a modification or two to fit our intepid Allahpundit into it. One of my Grandmothers was born in Norway so I guess that’s OK.MB4 on November 25, 2009 at 1:00 AM
AP do the world a favor and pull your head out of your ass!
Poor boy got a fat lip during a take down!
He should be thanking G-d he got back alive!
Old Dog on November 25, 2009 at 1:04 AM
BS like this is why Marcus Luttrell was the lone survivor. Fear of having their honor impuned, being trashed by the MSM and face prison time for doing their jobs cost very good men their lives. SEALs should not have to second guess their every move. It gets them killed.
pannw on November 25, 2009 at 1:05 AM
There is ample evidence in this thread that very few read Allahpundit’s post carefully.
I think the point here is that sometimes you have to play by some highly unpleasant rules to get what you want.
Potfry on November 25, 2009 at 1:05 AM
NO! This is what we get for being under the thumb of the UNITED NATIONS of THEFT & GENOCIDE, especially in war!!!
We’ve been screwed since the FIRST so-called ‘UN police action’ in Korea under the umbrella of the UN. We’ve never gained ground since the day we agreed to cooperate with the sham Security Council.
Shameful, *AP* – you’ve absolutely NO knowledge of the events that took place on the battle field so who the hell are you to pass judgment? Best to stuff a freaking sock in it…….or something perhaps more appropriate. REMEMBER HADITHA?!
lilspitfire on November 25, 2009 at 1:08 AM
An insightful introduction to a philosophical discussion that would be delightful in an open thread some evening.
However, it is tangential to my defence of Allahpundit.
While I do not disagree with the principle of the quote, it’s a twig on a branch on a tree. AP is a forest ranger, not an arborist.
RushBaby on November 25, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Right. Three SEALs insist that they are innocent, and they are willing to stake their futures on that claim of innocence, and Allah PRESUMES that they are lying and have made some kind of calculation that the military won’t be willing to call them on it. Stupid does not begin to cover it. This is as bad as when Allah decided that the Mecca-orientation of the crescent memorial to Flight 93 means we have to assume that the crescent is innocent. (Yeah, THAT nonsensical, about the most serious things.)
Alec on November 25, 2009 at 1:39 AM
Allahpundit, you are judging prior to receiving the evidence. What makes ANYBODY think that fat lip could not be self-inflicted? And that’s just one way for it to have happened.
{^_^}
herself on November 25, 2009 at 1:44 AM
Actually I was using that quote to question the behavior of the lead SEAL that you said reported the others.
MB4 on November 25, 2009 at 2:13 AM
To all of you who have sacrificed so much, so that I could raise my kids and grandkids, knowing that they were safe–I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I am so proud of you and our fighting men and women, and their families.
This breaks my heart, and even though it goes against my Christian principles–I wish they had blown the brains out of that person–especially after viewing what Lox posted…
This is dispecable, and dishonorable to these soldiers–who risked their VERY LIVES to capture this criminal.
lovingmyUSA on November 25, 2009 at 2:14 AM
I have been “assuming” (maybe incorrectly) that they did give the murderer a fat lip and, if so, frankly marvel at their almost super human restraint not to have done a lot more.
MB4 on November 25, 2009 at 2:16 AM
Court-martial? They deserve a medal for not killing the F’er.
n0doz on November 25, 2009 at 2:44 AM
Not sure I see what is so despicable about Allah’s post. He linked Goldfarb favorably. Surely everyone agrees with that.
And then he predicted what the Obamites would do. I don’t think I understand the searing outrage of Blackfive and others.
misterpeasea on November 25, 2009 at 2:47 AM
These jihadis are not people. They can’t be treated like people. They are rabid animals. They need to be put down. People get arrested, dogs get put down. They’re like roaches, if you don’t wipe them completely out you’ll see a thousand more of them.
Vegi on November 25, 2009 at 4:37 AM
Neither does their command, that’s why they offered NJP.
Yep. And it’s been SOP those captured to claim abuse.
You can bite your own lip and make it bloody.
Prisoners (civilian) here in the USA do it all the time!
DSchoen on November 25, 2009 at 5:13 AM
The lead SEAL “had” to report an incident up the chain of command.
That does not make the charge true, what it does is tell the command that this guy made an accusation.
Nothing more.
The command decided NJP (Captains mast) was the appropriate way to go.
Even if you go to mast it doesn’t mean you are guilty of anything, this I know cuz I went to mast and beat the charge.
At worst the C.O. could put then in CCU for 30 days, reduction in rank one pay grade and take ½ pay per month X 2 months.
These guy apparently said BS and give them a court-martial.
DSchoen on November 25, 2009 at 5:31 AM
No wonder America is laughed at world wide. We put hand cuffs on our military and ask them to fight. We put tape on our teachers mouths and ask them to teach. We tax ourselves into poverty to support those that cry the most. Time to clean house Congressman, you’re the ones that make the rules.
mixplix on November 25, 2009 at 5:54 AM
Folks, let us remember something. One of the things our guys are fighting for is to protect our rights. This includes the right to say something completely stupid, as Allah has done. Correct him, but don’t castigate him. C’mon, practice your tactical breathing before posting. Remember that not everyone understands military matters. He’s more in need for education instead of an asswhoopin.
I don’t know if these SEALs were doing some ‘street justice’, or if they are completely innocent. Wouldn’t be the first time a suspect beat himself up to try and get the good guys in trouble; has happened to me a few times. Frankly, I really don’t care; more power to them and I hope they’re cleared of any and all wrong doing. And that someone gives that jihadi extra slippery shoes next time he goes down the stairs….
wolfva on November 25, 2009 at 6:36 AM
Truer words have never been spoken. The jihadis should be hunted down and exterminated like the vermin they are! There should be no mention of these animals being human beings – they re not. They should be killed! End of story. The problem with the left is they don’t understand the problem. They actually think you can talk to/reason with animals…just does not work that way,
jwp1964 on November 25, 2009 at 7:35 AM
I am assuming that they did nothing, and the captured terrorist bumped into a wall and is blaming them. I believe there is more evidence that terrorists lie than that SEAL’s do. However, even if they did do something, it was quite minor, a one time incident, and something for which they should not receive formal, public discipline.
Loxodonta on November 25, 2009 at 7:40 AM
I am equally disgusted by this poor treatment of these Navy Seals. They are heroes, not criminals. I mean, a bloody lip by a terrorst? This is insane. Assuming it is even true (and I very much doubt that) this penalty for these Seals is a career ender –yet if you did this in the NFL the other team would get 15 yards.
But as anyone who read or watched Band of Brothers can tell you, true events that predate even the golden* age of Obama, occasionally the chain of command in the military makes very bad calls on issue of honor. The way to deal with it is for the accused to call for a court martial rather than face some offesnive administrative punishment. I am disgusted they have to do so in this case, but we all will be watching and holding everyone involved accountable.
I heard a similar story the other day (I think on Laura Ingraham show) about a WWII hero and medal of honor (and silver star) winner who recently passed away. Apparently he ran to Canada to get into the WWII early and was convicted of desertion (he was already signed up for the U.S. Army). When the USA joined the war, he eventually went back to his unit but eventually the desertion paper work caught up with him too. He paid a $50 fine for desertion because his superiors could not figure out any other way to get rid of it, then he got a battle field commission. In hindsight funny, at the time I am sure not so much.
* As in gold being above $1200 an ounce.
Mr. Joe on November 25, 2009 at 8:12 AM
A well-deserved “asswhoopin” can be very educational. While I would have no problem if AP went back into his spider hole and stayed there, I’m ghoulishly curious to see how much deeper he can sink. Besides, I doubt very much that MM would can his candya$$. She exhibits the same kind of loyalty to staff that GW exhibited; foolishly so at times.
SKYFOX on November 25, 2009 at 8:21 AM
I seem to remember a wonderful story.
Several times in our history (back in the days before the words “politically correct” had been formulated and spewed from the orifice of some idiot) we have dealt appropriately with Islamic terror.
It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so “Black Jack” told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.
Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The U.S. soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs’ blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.
All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.
THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING WITH EVERY MEMBER OF AL QAEDA WE CATCH – especially the 5 pigs headed to NYC …. and post the videos on You Tube.
babylonandon on November 25, 2009 at 8:30 AM
If they went overboard, give em KP for a couple of days.
MarkTheGreat on November 25, 2009 at 8:34 AM
The job of the military is to kill people and to break things. He should be glad they only did the latter.
MarkTheGreat on November 25, 2009 at 8:34 AM
Apparently, Allahpundit endorses the John Murtha school of military justice.
John Deaux on November 25, 2009 at 8:40 AM
Rough justice is still justice. Thanks for the story.
SKYFOX on November 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM
babylonandon,
But I like pigs; they’re said to have the same IQ as dogs. Would dipping the bullets in their feces work, do you think? I read somewhere that one tip-off that the Islamic gentleman next to you on the subway or escalator is thinking about going to paradise today is if he has slathered on the cologne. He wants to present himself to the virgins all dapper and sexy.
dhimwit on November 25, 2009 at 9:17 AM
I love your passion, dmann, and just wanted to see your words repeated again. Carry on.
SKYFOX on November 25, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Who’s to say the terrorist didnt get a bloody nose by being captured? If you’re grabbing someone and there are 3 of you..things can happen.,…even just wrestling someone to the ground. What happens of a common criminal if he’s being taken down by the police and bashes his face off the ground? Are the police charged?
Its bad enough they have to wait till they are fired upon to even engage the enemy, now they have to be very, very careful not to hurt the little baby.
becki51758 on November 25, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Looking at the original post, and the comments, I think that the commenters seem to have misunderstood what Allhpundit has said. He said that the political REMFS decided that they had to pretend to “punish” the Seals. They were going to try to use the “Captain’s Mast” method to set up a slap on the wrist and mark the situation “closed”. The Seals refused to go along with that. I will leave it to the experts on military procedures to argue about that. However, as a civilian who knowledge of court procedure comes from “Law and Order”, I will say that it looks like someone offered a plea bargain to avoid trial (even though he is innocent – if it were a Law and Order type show). Allah is not assuming that the Seals “beat up” the prisoner, he is just dealing with the aftermath of the accusation.
Note that he said
This means that once the terrorist made the accusation and got the politicians involved, the military had to figure out a way around them.
There is an interesting comment at http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/11/25/allah-steps-on-his-johnson.php that mentions another reason that might apply for going with the court martial. We will see.
sabbahillel on November 25, 2009 at 9:29 AM
Jesus, you people are ridiculous.
If the SEALs mishandled a detainee, they should be held accountable. All this “they should have cut his throat” is childish crap. I’m sure the court martial will throw some light on the situation. All of you who want to make excuses for detainee mistreatment – would you kindly go f*ck yourselves? The U.S. should be held to a higher standard. If anyone has a problem with that, fair enough, go ahead and whine about it. And when you’re done with that, you can explain how it’s okay for police to arrest an Ivy League professor in his own home. Crybabies.
You people are acting like Allahpundit is somehow a Kos fellow traveler now. Grow up.
Enrique on November 25, 2009 at 9:29 AM
I would dearly love if this were a psyop initiated by the SEALs. The timing is exquisite considering the “terror trials” coming up in NYC.
If done right, all the horror of Ahmed Hashim Abed’s terror activities (especially the Blackwater bridge incident) will be on full display while KSM and his team of attorneys is posturing in NYC. The contrast between how we treat terrorists and how we treat our most elite & professional warriors should outrage even the most complacent citizens.
If this isn’t a psyop already, it certainly can be turned into one. A psyop not on the enemy, but one focused on the global media, the American public, and the terrorist-sympathetic politicians.
Wouldn’t that just make your day?!
Redhead Infidel on November 25, 2009 at 9:31 AM
AP has proven himself a feckless d-bag yet again. Part of “supporting the troops” is not throwing them under the bus every time some terrorist-supporting c***sucker in the GOI whines about one of his tribesmen getting slapped. Go back to telling MegMac to put on the lotion.
mcassill on November 25, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Go f*** yourself.
mcassill on November 25, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Due to a former job, I know some SEALs in the upper ranks fairly well and send CARE packages. Many are so disgusted over this and other ‘mandates’ from DC that they starting to talk to their detailers about cutting careers short and retiring. This is the cream of the cream getting fed up with fighting with both hands tied behind their backs.
TexasDave on November 25, 2009 at 9:39 AM
Dude, people need to settle down with regards to Allah.
baldilocks made a great point in the headlines thread regarding the lack of understanding the civilian side has with regards to most things military. Does anyone here actually think Allah meant to throw 3 SEALs under a bus?
‘Wrist-slaps’ can be career enders. If Allah understood that he may have approached this post differently. He was writing on the political ramifications, from an atypically uniformed position. Let’s calm down with all the ‘AP hates the military’ garbage.
BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM
It’s amazing how things have changed. When I was a child I got several fat lips. Boys tussle and occasionally fight. It’s a part of growing up. Now, in war, a known terrorist and brutal murderer gets a fat lip and we have hearings over it. wtf! This terrorist idiot subjects himself to the life style of war against the most powerful nation and is complaining about a fat lip?! He’s one of those kids you hit a second time just because he annoyed you so bad about how he handled the first hit. How in the hell did this p–sy get in charge of a terrorist group? My 10 year old son has more fortitude than him.
MichiganMatt on November 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM
This is totally ridiculous. When I was a cop, I can tell you that simply wrestling with a suspect to get him cuffed many times results in a fat lip that is not the result of abuse. If a person resists an officer, that officer has the right to use force sufficient to end that resistance. That’s what happens in a relatively civilized city.
Now transfer the scenario to a war zone. I’m sure these Seals captured this guy in a hostile area and I’m also sure that this clown put up a fight. Having said that, I’m shocked that his injuries weren’t more severe. I can easily see this guy getting a fat lip just being taken to the ground.
I’m also a retired Naval officer. From what I’ve seen so far, I would never convict these guys. It shouldn’t even go to court martial.
NavyMustang on November 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM
I haven’t read all the comments, but of those I’ve read I see a lot of “idiot”, “douchebag”, “ill-informed”, AP is a PC wienie kind of comments (and agree with them all) but I’m not actually seeing “AP hates the military” in them.
SKYFOX on November 25, 2009 at 9:48 AM
From the limited information available I agree that there should be no charges.
However, the SEALs requested the courts martial. Presumably they’re trying to salvage their careers, knowing that a NJP ‘wrist-slap’ would end it.
BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Speaking as a recently retired Naval officer, I can tell you that EVERYONE in the Seal community knows or will know the names of these Sailors. And I can guarantee you that the vast majority of them, if given the chance to participate in a promotion board, would not even consider such a travesty in their decision to promote or not to promote. If these Sailors don’t get promoted in the future, it won’t be because of this. Bullcrap such as this is pushed to the side and their real record will be scrutinized.
NavyMustang on November 25, 2009 at 9:50 AM
There’s a few. The headlines thread had some in it also. I don’t agree with AP’s take on this at all, but I see his post coming more from a position of ignorance and less from any kind of hostility towards the military. Since his posts are usually pretty well argued it may be throwing some people for a curve.
BadgerHawk on November 25, 2009 at 9:50 AM
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