Subsunk

that would take a hydrogen, not atomic, bomb.
Either than or a Mother of all Atomic bombs even in NYC. If AlQ ever does get an atomic bomb it will likely be more of the “suitcase” variety.

MB4 on November 25, 2009 at 3:23 AM

How many people live and work inside a 5 mile radius of the Empire State Building, or perhaps the UN building? Choosing the appropriate time of day and delivery for a one megaton bomb, which could be stolen from the Russians or Chinese, or developed by the Pakistanis easily since their first detonation in the 1970s, how many folks do you surmise could be killed in the initial blast and how many would die within 30 days from panicked evacuations, blue on blue civilian attacks, the breakdown of law and order, radiation, burns, etc….?

If Pakistan falls (a relatively likely possibility), or if Iran develops and fields a hydrogen bomb (which is a much easier development once you have the atomic weapon in the first place), you place a great deal of faith in the kindness of the Muslim religion to keep nuclear devices from the hands of terrorists bent on our destruction, and the ignorance of Muslim scientists and their inability to develop such weapons. As I recall, however, America is full of Indian and Pakistani engineers who do extremely well in designing and building and developing complex construction and engineering projects all over the world. Their contributions to science and engineering are far outstripping the requirements necessary to build a hydrogen bomb. I have zero faith that the Pakistanis are too stupid to develop such weapons. But if you feel safe in those assumptions, keep on trucking.

Since the eventuality in this discussion has already been wargamed, I leave you with the Three Conjectures.

Case closed.

Subsunk

A Commander in Chief doesn’t need “off-ramps.” Any President can call an end to a deployment based on his own judgment. Putting these conditions into the American strategy signals weakness

Obama’s Ausfahrt Doctrine

that would take a hydrogen, not atomic, bomb.

Either than or a Mother of all Atomic bombs even in NYC. If AlQ ever does get an atomic bomb it will likely be more of the “suitcase” variety.

The bottom line is that without Victory in Afghanistan, the next major terrorist attack will be nuclear in nature.

Subsunk on November 24, 2009 at 2:15 PM

That’s quite a leap. I don’t think even McChrystal is arguing that. Pakistan, and probably soon Iran, has nuclear warheads. Afghanistan does not and most of the surviving AlQ who were in Afghanistan are now in Pakistan. There are probably a lot more AlQ in Sudan now than are left in Afghanistan. There may even now be more AlQ in Great Britain and the U.S.A. than there are left in Afghanistan. Besides McChrystal has said “We don’t win by destroying the Taliban. We don’t win by body count. We don’t win by the number of successful military raids or attacks, we win when the [Afghan] people decide we win.” AND “Pre-occupied with protection of our own forces, we have operated in a manner that distances us — physically and psychologically — from the people we seek to protect.”

You misunderstand my meaning. If one nuclear weapon is detonated inside a US city by terrorists, I can guarantee that the country will demand complete and utter destruction of every Muslim country on the Earth.

I very seriously doubt this. Even I who am so anti-Islam as to think we have no business Islamic Nation Building and that Islam itself is a crime against humanity, not “radical” Islam, but Islam itself, orthodox Islam, would not demand what would be by far the biggest genocide the world has ever known, and I don’t believe any President, Barack Obama or otherwise, would ever do anything at all like that, although hopefully whomever was President at the time would not engage in yet another Islam is ROP/Islamic Nation Building extravagance.

It is amazing how the death of 4 million Americans in a flash will panic and enrage the sleeping US giant. We will not go quietly into the night, I can assure you.
Subsunk on November 24, 2009 at 2:39 PM

I have no idea where you get a number nearly as high as 4 million (and in a microsecond as you said above, which would mean another million at least during the following days) as that would take a hydrogen, not atomic, bomb.

Some libs are scoffing at me. I have been predicting a pull out since His election. He foxed me. As a couple of writers pointed out above, however, this could be a CYA maneuver. I didn’t think of anything like that.

In the 2.3 minutes I watched of Countdown tonight, The One’s deliberation was praised in the extreme. The question is, what was He thinking about? Polls?

But don’t worry too much, Mr. Obama. Conservatives will continue to support the United States and the troops.

Unlike your traitorous friends.

The new plan contains the “off-ramps” Obama demanded from his national security team. Those begin to arrive as early as June, according to McClatchy, giving the US a few easy outs if Obama chooses to retreat. If the “political side” or the war itself doesn’t improve, Obama apparently wants to get out altogether. In other words, this looks like McChrystal’s last stand.

So he dithered for months to decide on 34,000 instead of 40,000. What a loser. Well, in the end, President Pantywaist has told the world that he is eager to cut-n-run. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that the same president who has bowed before foreign leaders and who has given the 911 war criminals civilian rights will be the guy who loses to the Taliban and AQ. The Democrats really are the party of weakness.

You misunderstand my meaning. If one nuclear weapon is detonated inside a US city by terrorists, I can guarantee that the country will demand complete and utter destruction of every Muslim country on the Earth. It is amazing how the death of 4 million Americans in a flash will panic and enrage the sleeping US giant. We will not go quietly into the night, I can assure you.

you do realize who the president is right??

wishful thinking…

they won’t need to nuke us, we’re joining them.