Obama’s decision: 34,000 troops to Afghanistan
posted at 8:48 am on November 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
McClatchy reports that Barack Obama made his decision last night on Afghanistan, and has decided on a number between McChrystal’s medium- and high-risk plans. Instead of 40,000 or 20,000, Obama will send an additional 34,000 troops to bolster the NATO forces and employ the counterinsurgency strategy that he publicly demanded for two years and made official US policy in March. However, McClatchy also reports that Obama won’t announce the new numbers until next week:
President Barack Obama met Monday evening with his national security team to finalize a plan to dispatch some 34,000 additional U.S. troops over the next year to what he’s called “a war of necessity” in Afghanistan, U.S. officials told McClatchy.
Obama is expected to announce his long-awaited decision on Dec. 1, followed by meetings on Capitol Hill aimed at winning congressional support amid opposition by some Democrats who are worried about the strain on the U.S. Treasury and whether Afghanistan has become a quagmire, the officials said.
The U.S. officials all spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the issue publicly and because, one official said, the White House is incensed by leaks on its Afghanistan policy that didn’t originate in the White House.
Perhaps part of their reluctance would also be that Obama threatened to fire anyone who leaked information about his decision. The comment about “not originating in the White House” seems odd, too. Did the White House want to pin the leaks on the Pentagon? Sourcing these as “US officials” makes it as generic as possible; that term could apply to an EPA clerk.
The new plan contains the “off-ramps” Obama demanded from his national security team. Those begin to arrive as early as June, according to McClatchy, giving the US a few easy outs if Obama chooses to retreat. If the “political side” or the war itself doesn’t improve, Obama apparently wants to get out altogether. In other words, this looks like McChrystal’s last stand. Next week, McChrystal will return to DC in order to help Obama roll this out, where Obama will almost certainly get significant pushback from Democrats in Congress over the cost and the need to keep fighting.
The increase in troops is a good decision, but the off-ramps almost completely undermine it. The point in extending our footprint is to win the trust of the local communities and prove our reliability in providing them security, which is the central thrust of McChrystal’s COIN strategy. By getting them to trust our commitment, we can get them to help fight the Taliban themselves, as we did with the Anbar Awakening in Iraq against al-Qaeda, and greatly improve the intel we get from the locals. If we send 34,000 more troops but give ourselves a six-month time frame for success or bug-out, the locals will very quickly come to the realization that allying with us will be suicide. The COIN strategy only worked in Iraq because George W. Bush was adamant that we would stay until we won.
A Commander in Chief doesn’t need “off-ramps.” Any President can call an end to a deployment based on his own judgment. Putting these conditions into the American strategy signals weakness — a desire to pull out without getting blamed for the decision. Obama wants to be off the hook for an eventual withdrawal by claiming that he’s forced to do it because of these benchmark failures. And if Obama’s that keen to retreat, he should just do it now.










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Just my .02, Everything we hear and read is filtered through Obama except occasionally when a few people like hawkdriver give us an unfiltered assessment where the proverbial tire meets the road. I have 100% empathy and sympathy for those who can find the time to accurately give their opinions.
fourdeucer on November 24, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Went back to the beginning…love the name change, DC!
ladyingray on November 24, 2009 at 11:38 AM
This.
Then this.
Johan Klaus on November 24, 2009 at 11:39 AM
How long were we in Japan…you throw out these stupid statements, statements straight from Huffpo or MediaMatters, and then you don’t back them up with anything.
They are just talking points you copy and paste from liberal websites.
We have seen this time and time again from you guys.
When breaking news happens, we hear nothing from you liberal posters, until the talking points are printed and posted on the websites, then you begin spewing the same exact things as your leaders ask you to say.
Here are the talking points:
Bush ignored the war in Afghan
Bush was distracted by Iraq
Even though it has now come to light that he had detailed plans, and Obama continued to follow them (then attempt to take credit).
Liberals haven’t come up with talking points regarding the false data on global warming, so they ignore it until they have developed their points.
The haven’t come up with talking points regarding the false data on jobs at recovery.org, so they just ignore it.
On Afghan, they have developed their talking points, and you regurgitate them perfectly…however you miss or ignore the false accusation of Bush ignoring the Afghan war, since you point out that Obama had not (he employed Bush’s plans).
That throws a wrench in your talking points, so you ignore it.
right2bright on November 24, 2009 at 11:41 AM
If? You do have an empty tin can for a head, don’t you?
AsianGirlInTights on November 24, 2009 at 11:41 AM
He plays with people’s lives….
CynicalOptimist on November 24, 2009 at 11:41 AM
rightistliberal, here’s another military expert for your team. I heard he has a neater basement than you too.
fogw on November 24, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Excellent…this is what happens when they get off their talking points…this is why Obama uses a teleprompter almost exclusively. They contradict each other because all they have is a “menu”, they have no real plan, action. or policy.
right2bright on November 24, 2009 at 11:44 AM
What a foolish thing to say have you never heard the term Pyrrhic Victory? Bankrupting a nation to pussy foot around in Afghanistan winning hearts and minds is a losing strategy. The public is not going to support this much longer. Once this becomes a huge political liability it will end.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/131xyleq.asp
snoopicus on November 24, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Hawk is echoing the reality of his fellow Soldiers on the ground.
ROE’s and the unnecessary danger that they put our troops in have been discussed and condemned on almost every military blog and this blog for the past year.
These are not the same ROE’s that worked in Iraq and there is an overriding consensus by military personnel and strategist that they seriously handcuff our Soldiers,many times leading to their deaths:
Battling the Rules of Engagement in Afghanistan
BY Herschel Smith
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2009/11/16/battling-the-rules-of-engagement-in-afghanistan/
[ ... ]
The Times compiled an informal list of the new rules from interviews with U.S. forces. Among them:
• No night or surprise searches.
• Villagers have to be warned prior to searches.
• ANA or ANP must accompany U.S. units on searches.
• U.S. soldiers may not fire at the enemy unless the enemy is preparing to fire first.
• U.S. forces cannot engage the enemy if civilians are present.
• Only women can search women.
• Troops can fire at an insurgent if they catch him placing an IED but not if insurgents are walking away from an area where explosives have been laid.
New Rules of Engagement in Afghanistan Prove Deadly for US Troops
http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=292029
This is a serious problem and goes right to the heart of competency in conducting this war.
Defeating our enemies will put them in a lot more “conciliatory role” to negotiate and help fight against the Taliban than “playing nice”.
We defeated al-qaeda/militias in Iraq and showed we were not only the strongest force their, but were not going anywhere until the job was done.
That is what fueled the “Awakening” which lead to victory in Iraq.
The Afghan tribal lords go by the same rules.
They are going to go with the strongest force that shows the strongest commitment.
Apparently Obama knows no more about this than he does “cost and profit ratio’s” because instead of wanting to defeat the enemy…..the Obama administration simply just wants to “rename” them and pretend their “moderates”.
The Mother of All Expiration Dates: The Taliban Is No Longer a Direct Threat to Us
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjZlM2I1MDA5YWIzMzMyMTYxYmViZjA0MWIzMjFlYmY=
The New York Times, today:
Real “smart power” there.
Baxter Greene on November 24, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Your mom cleans it real well for me fogw
snoopicus on November 24, 2009 at 11:48 AM
There was an additional comment after that, go and read it.
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 11:48 AM
How long did we fight in Japan? Enlighten me…
And btw, are you advocating a MacArthur plan for Af-Pak?
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Wow, a trifecta of epic fails for A) B) & C).
You have just got to be currently in college, right? I actually kinda hope so, because if you’re older. . .
Jason Coleman on November 24, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Oh, that’s why Bush did not let Israel attack Iran? Got it.
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 11:53 AM
I like that none of my fellow righties want to address the cost issue. Nor will any suggest what they personally would be willing to pay in to continue this policy. It is like talking to a college student about liberal welfare policies, they always want to spend more and sacrifice nothing. China won’t finance this war forever. Just like they won’t finance the US gov forever.
snoopicus on November 24, 2009 at 11:53 AM
No, but I actually did go to college. I understand that’s disqualifying in certain circles.
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 11:54 AM
And, will you volunteer to be one of the special ops. My son and grandson did.
And do you think that just because you do not want to fight to win, that the talibin will quit.
And there is the small matter of logistics.
Johan Klaus on November 24, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Jason Coleman
Let me guess, you didn’t.
snoopicus on November 24, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Bush hasn’t been President for almost a year Tin Head.
AsianGirlInTights on November 24, 2009 at 11:58 AM
No problem putting others’ children in medium/high risk situations, so I’m sure Obama would have no problem sending
MashekaMalekaMakimaMahis daughters to medium or high risk schools then. Right?rogerb on November 24, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Barry wants to lose in Afghanistan. It’s obvious.
Christien on November 24, 2009 at 11:59 AM
What’s delusional is you piping up here with your liberal drivel and can’t back it up.
The Taliban are no longer running the government in Afghanistan like they were prior to our invasion.
This was accomplished in less time than it has taken Obama to supply his OWN STRATEGY.
Really not that hard to understand for a competent person.
But from reading your post, it is obvious that I could role your IQ level on a pair of dice so it is not hard to see why this would go right over your head.
I know this is hard for an idiot like you to understand,but it was stated over and over and over that “winning the peace” would be the difficult part of this war.
I know that is not ever mentioned over at huffpo so you probably have no understanding of what it takes to stop any type of insurgency or transform a terrorist country into a free society.
So bleeds,it has been you liberals and your messiah Obama who constantly told us about your “grand strategy and smart power” in winning in Afghanistan.
Instead of making idiotic remarks, why don’t you explain this “smart power” on winning the war.
Baxter Greene on November 24, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Unless I am wrong, we are still there; and in Germany and Italy and Korea……
And we did what was necessary to win in Germany and Japan.
Johan Klaus on November 24, 2009 at 11:59 AM
There is also a small matter of future intelligence gathering since that will dry up when we have no boots on the ground.
Just what kind of support does this idiot think America is going to get when troops are pulled out of Afghanistan allowing the Taliban and al-qeada to kill everyone who worked with NATO and then take the country back over.
Baxter Greene on November 24, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Answers #1 No #2 So? Who cares what your kids do? Is that supposed to give you credibility?
Where did i say that exactly??? I never said don’t fight, I said fight with a smaller force and drop the nation building crap. We don’t need 100k men to kill Taliban/AQ leaders.
Wouldn’t it be easier to support fewer troops?? Please think through what you type before you hit submit. One of the biggest hurdles facing the increase in troops was the logistical difficulty of supporting that many soldiers, especially in remote outposts.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091130/roston
snoopicus on November 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Only if you allowed yourself to be indoctrinated with leftist, socialist/communist philosophy.
Johan Klaus on November 24, 2009 at 12:04 PM
After 911 we figured out where they were pretty quickly without tens of thousands of boots on the ground. Furthermore are we supposed to stay forever to prevent this?
snoopicus on November 24, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Sweetheart, Bush stopped the attack on Iran in 2007-08 by denying overflying rights over Iraq.
Google!
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Clown college doesn’t count, libtwit.
Laura in Maryland on November 24, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Ok, I have some egg on my face regarding
Looks like you were expanding someone else’s quote.
Whoever you were quoting in your first paragraph had the trifecta.
Sorry about that.
Could you please use blockquotes when you’re quoting someone else. Even if you don’t identify them, at least I won’t attribute them to you.
Apology and truce offered.
PS – I don’t decry college, just have to identify those who are currently in the belly of the beast. I personally value college, but I also understand its very corrupt, inbred, politically correct and ideological nature.
Jason Coleman on November 24, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Unlike all the welfare and special interest programs that make up the overwhelming majority of the expenses of our society, the Constitution actually mandates that our government protect this country.
Instead of whining about how much protecting this country is going to cost(which is a small amount of the countries budget compared to all the social programs), how about slashing the programs that our government is not mandated to fund to take care of the costs instead of the liberal way of “raising taxes” everytime something needs to be done.
Funny how liberals never worry about “the cost” unless it involves national defense.
Baxter Greene on November 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM
yes, and prepared for conventional war. But we have not been fighting there fore few decades.
Afghanistan is more difficult…its a medieval society. A nation-bulding commitment would mean years and years of deployment. Worth doing? Perhaps. But then costs would have to be clearly calculated. Just the new troops will cost $34 billion a year.
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Not possible since she passed away several years ago.
What now b*tch?
fogw on November 24, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Sure, no worries mate. I usually do. Must have missed it.
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 12:11 PM
LOL! +10000
AsianGirlInTights on November 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM
You might be right about the progressives but our defense budget is hardly something to scoff at.
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Genius…Bush was not the leader of Israel.
If Israel thought their country was in danger, it would not stop an attack because “Bush said so” or ” flight rights were taken away”.
Obama has been trying to tell Israel what to do for months (such as settlement development), how has that worked out.
Baxter Greene on November 24, 2009 at 12:12 PM
I am not whinig about killing Taliban/AQ. I am whinig about nation building. Please quote the line from the constitution that obliges us to provide security for Afghanistan, or power for Afghanistan, or schools for afghanistan or democracy for afghanistan.
snoopicus on November 24, 2009 at 12:13 PM
We can pay babymommas to get their nails done and crank out more social problems, but heaven forbid we pay brave Americans for defending our interests and rooting our terrorists who seek to destroy us (and you too, junior).
Laura in Maryland on November 24, 2009 at 12:14 PM
It’s right after the clause on abortion rights and just before free health care for everyone.
fogw on November 24, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Actually, on fifth and sixth readings, A) B) and C) are still epic fails.
The post as whole is a superfecta.
Apology still there, but I guess I’m violating the truce.
Jason Coleman on November 24, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Of course. But Israel is a close American ally, Bush had a lot of credibility with the regime and he did stop them. As I said google. I think NYT had a report on it.
Btw, is Israel a danger or not? Was it a danger in Bush years or not?
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 12:17 PM
zing!
Laura in Maryland on November 24, 2009 at 12:17 PM
But if you try to point out to a moonbat how horrifically inefficient the government is, they always say: “Look how great the military’s doing.”
Well, hey, guess what? That’s because it’s the military’s JOB to screw things up! That’s nearly the only business the government should be involved in.
Whether it’s charity, medicine, banking, building cars, etc., etc., etc…. liberals always want to treat everything in the world like a war, except of course for actual WAR itself.
logis on November 24, 2009 at 12:17 PM
By all means, pay. And we do spend a substantial sum of money. But that does not mean an open ended commitment to the people of AAfghanistan. We owe them nothing.
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM
I am not scoffing at it, I am watching the Obama administration cut it during a time of war while they give Acorn,Hamas,and the Unions Billions of dollars.
Our defense budget only makes up a small part of overall spending but is always treated as some lightening rod when debated in Congress or when war is being talked about.
The liberals have gone out of their way in lying and using smoke screens in selling there government take over of health care without “raising taxes on 90% of Americans” or ” adding to the deficits” when everyone who is crunching these numbers and knows what this bill entails says just the opposite.
Why won’t the liberals play the same “hide the cost” games when it comes to national defense.
Because it does not fit their socialist agenda so when more troops are mentioned, it’s “but it costs to much”.
How come they were not yelling this over the two years that Obama was making all those promises about winning in Afghanistan?……because it would not work out well at the voting booth….
How Progressive!!!!!
Baxter Greene on November 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Excellent and truthful point which is all to often ignored.
Ditto!
Jason Coleman on November 24, 2009 at 12:21 PM
So when can we expect B.O. to head to Afghanistan so as to bow before the Taliban?
pilamaye on November 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM
We owe the American people security. The best way to do that is to go after the terrorists. That is for us. The common defense is one of the few things spelled out in the constitution that the federal government is obligated to do.
Laura in Maryland on November 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM
This proves that Obama is just another neocon…
The Dean on November 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Except our very ideals.
See: some dusty document from July 4th 1776
Jason Coleman on November 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Awwwwwwwwwwww. Your boy let you down?
Get in line.
fogw on November 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Hey, they were merely our allies in fighting the Soviets. Like Kos says, Screw Them.
Christien on November 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Israel is only a “danger” to the enemies that want to destroy it.
I don’t recall Bush ever getting to the podium and announcing “Israel is a danger” or that it was a problem for us.
If Bush denied fly over rights to Israel, it could be for several reasons.
He most certainly would not want all out war breaking out with the Arab countries and Israel when we were close to succeeding in Iraq.
Or what could be very likely is that the Bush administration leaked this for cover if Israel did launch an attack.
Either way…if the Israelis thought they were in immediate danger of Iran’s having an atomic bomb,they would not wait to get permission.
They would do what they had to do to protect their country, just like we would and just about any other country,alliance or not.
Bush or Obama could certainly make things difficult, but would not stop Israel who learned this lesson from the Hitler debacle that cost them millions of lives.
Baxter Greene on November 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM
I never supported him.
The Dean on November 24, 2009 at 12:30 PM
To who?
The U.S.? No.
Jason Coleman on November 24, 2009 at 12:30 PM
But the Taliban in Afghanistan gave bin Laden and al Qaeda sanctuary and refused to hand them over to the US when asked to do so.
Don’t get out of the basement much, do you? Empty pizza boxes and Mountain Dew cans blocking the door again?
Del Dolemonte on November 24, 2009 at 12:37 PM
But you are a Bush/Cheney hater, right?
fogw on November 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM
And down by 1 after th touchdown Coach Obama decided to spike the ball instead of kicking the field goal to tie. Team Obama loses 21-20
Rbastid on November 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM
LOL, most of us went to real colleges. Not Moe Howard University like yourself.
Del Dolemonte on November 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM
All the soldiers killed
Between December and June:
Political Cover.
Zero needs a way
To shift blame to someone else.
Will kill to get it.
Haiku Guy on November 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM
An Aussie, by chance?
Johan Klaus on November 24, 2009 at 12:42 PM
fogw on November 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM
He’s a Paulian.
LOL, most of us went to real colleges. Not Moe Howard University like yourself.
Del Dolemonte on November 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM
But he remembers the fight song: Be-ay-bay, be-ee-be, be-aye-biccie-bye, be-o-bo…
kingsjester on November 24, 2009 at 12:43 PM
McChrystal told obaby four months ago that with the requested reinforcements, they only had a year to turn things around. Now because of obama’s stonewalling it’s down to eight months plus the time it takes to deploy 34,000. And just because “he’s a jackass”, obaby couldn’t have sent 40,000, oh, no,no,no. So now, obaby wants out in six months and he knows he’ll get it because he made sure he queered the timeline so that we are guaranteed to fail and he will of course blame Bush.
With obaby as CinC, those poor troops should be brought home
now, before more needlessly die,and his big, bad words about knowing how to win this war and finding and killing bin laden, right in his very own cave, should be shoved down his throat daily.
tigerlily on November 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Some friendly advice, kid. You may want to cite another source.
Del Dolemonte on November 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Truman-MacArthur Redux.
BTW, we’re still in Korea, holding on to a cease-fire. If MacArthur had won the argument, it’s quite possible Obama would have just finished a visit to the worlds largest democracy.
But, no. We had to fight the “nice” kind of war. Whatever that is. And it ain’t in the Army Field manual.
Can we expect a cease-fire with Al Qaeda and the Taliban soon? Where will the Peace talks occur? Will Obama break the record for longest negotiation on determining the location of the peace talks?
BobMbx on November 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM
The new plan contains the “off-ramps” Obama demanded from his national security team.
I think Li’l Barry meant “car pool lanes.” He’s very worried about the environment.
George Orwell on November 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM
OldEnglish on November 24, 2009 at 10:16 AM
So we now negotiate with terrorists? Just F%%king Great. Pardon my French. Have these bloodsuckers no soul? They are hanging our Troops out to dry.
LSUMama on November 24, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Off-ramps.
Jorge Bonilla on November 24, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Does that mean you will volunteer or will not volunteer? And from where were these “volunteers” supposed to get their support?
Johan Klaus on November 24, 2009 at 1:19 PM
The only thing George Bush ever took his eyes off of were the freaking traitorous liberals who couldn’t let politics stop at our shoreline.
hawkdriver on November 24, 2009 at 10:17 AM
You are simply awesum Sir. Please stay safe and don`t let up for any reason.
LSUMama on November 24, 2009 at 1:19 PM
The 49th Parallel.
Johan Klaus on November 24, 2009 at 1:27 PM
“Enemies Foreign and Domestic”
Johan Klaus on November 24, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Sir, merely serving in a war theatre makes you no expert in COIN. That’s like a assembly worker claiming he knows all about cars because he turns one screw. Sorry for being blunt.
rightistliberal on November 24, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Thats it , time for you to take your toys and go home. You couldn`t even stand in Hawkdrivers shadow much less carry his lunchbox.
LSUMama on November 24, 2009 at 1:31 PM
This number was leaked well over a month ago. It was the plan all along despite Robert Gibbs numerous discussions about how seriously the filthy lying coward is taking this decision. It was also already decided well before the rat bastard traitor went to Dover and interjected himself into the return of fallen heroes.
That is part of what is appalling here- the decision was made weeks ago but has been delayed for political reasons. Troops have been killed because Obama is waiting until the optimum time to announce this (when the radical left are too damned busy attacking nativity scenes on public property to care about the troop increase). OUR TROOPS DESERVE BETTER THAN THE COWARD IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
highhopes on November 24, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Right on, highhopes. The mere appearance that he has been playing politics with the troops lives is evident everywhere – trips to Copenhagen, golf games, Asia, meeting with McChyrstal just once in the past year, while his SEIU lead thug has been to see him at the White House 22 times.
And, the fact that McChrystal had to speak out publicly to try to get the stinker to make a move – and even that hasn’t worked.
Add to this the fact that while he stonewalled, nobody ever bothered to ask just what the specific question(s) were that weren’t already answered that could be taking literally months to figure out.
And in a just world, the mere appearance of playing politics and costing American lives should warrant an investigation, where it will be found that the stalling for his political advantage has cost the lives of our brethren, whereupon he would be tried and found guilty of the treason which he perpetrates with such impunity that I guess nobody can believe their own lying eyes.
tigerlily on November 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Worse. He ran on a platform of hopey-changey rhetoric with no experience, giving promises in amounts and on issues anyone with two brain cells could see would be thrown straight out the window once he actually got elected.
Lo and behold, that’s exactly what happened.
At this point I’d stand for a progressive who kept their promises and started whipping federal finances and services into shape. Taxes wouldn’t be nearly as painful to pay if they weren’t being funneled into inefficient social programs, useless pork, and half-baked ‘wars’.
Dark-Star on November 24, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Yeah , cut the troops requested and make the mission more likely to fail because you lack the courage to either fight to win or withdraw . This guy is not content with only wrecking the economy .
borntoraisehogs on November 24, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Bleeds Blue, snoopicus, rightistliberal, all have short memories about how the War on Terror started, who was ascendant in Afghanistan when (2005 was certainly not a banner year for the Taliban, neither was 2007, although they had certainly grown stronger), and what the underlying reason is we fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. Their politics makes it imperative to “correct” a situation in Pakistan by force of arms, if necessary, and yet to abandon force in Afghanistan, and retreat in the face of aggression everywhere it is found.
Our military is the fiercest, most well trained, best equipped, and superbly professional military the world has ever seen, bar none. It didn’t get that way by starving it of funds when combat operations became hazardous, or when one political party decided to fund its own partisan agenda by starving DoD of requested funds.
It got that way by the funding of professionals’ requests by Congress, and by the sheer will power of superior leadership under Ronald Reagan and the Men he appointed to head DoD at the time to form the superior volunteer force we have today. We are second to none. There is no peer on ANY battlefield.
The bottom line on why we invaded Afghanistan is because that is where the terrorists who began this war were hiding. We invaded Iraq because Islam is the problem, although we refuse to say it out loud. To change Islam and separate it from the bloodthirsty barbaric regimes it corrupts as a system of religious government, we must go on the offensive somewhere. Afghanistan is not the center of radical Islam. Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran, and the countries of the Persian Gulf are the centers of radical Islam. To change them, an example must be made of one.
The country which failed to cooperate was chosen to be the centerpiece of the War To Change Islam, as Iraq had the longest history of troublemaking and failed to cooperate at all after 9-11. Therefore, the invasion was launched, under a host of reasons, although WMD programs and stockpiles is a far more compelling reason to cite than its support of terrorist training grounds.
Thru the invasion and subsequent occupation, radical Islam was defeated and an example of a more moderate Islam is being introduced. That introduction is not over yet. It won’t be for many years. It must be introduced in every theater where we have a foothold, in order to ensure Islam moderates itself, or the result will be a nuclear catastrophe…. for every country in the Middle East and South Asia. That includes Afghanistan.
The first nuke explosion in America guarantees the nuclear annihilation of each and every Muslim country which has used the “Great Satan” as its excuse for violence. You may disagree that this will happen, but most of us will not be dissuaded from assuring this violent end to radical Islam once a nuclear weapon from the Middle Eastern Terrorists eliminates 4 million Americans in a microsecond.
As a refresher, I would quote the following:
The bottom line is that without Victory in Afghanistan, the next major terrorist attack will be nuclear in nature. And then we’ll be playing Cowboys and Indians with Muslims and nuclear weapons. Rational Americans intend to win that fight as soon as it rears its head, without further American bloodshed. And we don’t care how many of the enemy are incinerated as a result of that mistake on their part.
Subsunk
Subsunk on November 24, 2009 at 2:15 PM
First of all, define ‘victory’ in Afghanistan. We already kicked the snot out of their pathetic little military and occupied every city worth mentioning. But merely occupying dirt is fruitless in that region unless you have every square foot under 24/7 military surveillance. We face an enemy who is perfectly willing and able to melt away and appear somewhere else, and there will always be ‘somewhere else’.
Second of all, nukes and the facilities to make them are a hell of a lot easier to squash…if we have the courage to do so. Nailing every raghead with an AK-47? Good luck with that. Nailing centrifuges and rogue nuke experts? Doable.
Short of some kind of mass mind-control device, we will NEVER eradicate Islam until the Almighty comes riding down to set earth right. What we CAN do is splat concentrations of the armed fighters/spies/etc. and make it abundantly clear that even associating with them guarantees a very short lifespan.
Dark-Star on November 24, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Dude,
Don’t you remember the Cold War? When supposedly “one wrong move” by the US or Soviets would have brought total global thermonuclear war down on all of our heads and eliminated all life on Earth? Or so it was presented by the Federation of American Scietnists, Greenpeace, the Red Brigades, and every liberal newspaper and tv personality in the country?
You misunderstand my meaning. If one nuclear weapon is detonated inside a US city by terrorists, I can guarantee that the country will demand complete and utter destruction of every Muslim country on the Earth. It is amazing how the death of 4 million Americans in a flash will panic and enrage the sleeping US giant. We will not go quietly into the night, I can assure you.
Thus every nuclear weapon we possess will be aimed and many of them used immediately to eliminate Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, and all the Emirates in the Gulf as a source of radical Islam. The nukes any terrorist gains possession of will not come from covert private facilities, but from Pakistani, Iranian, Saudi or Syrian labs. And each of those countries will have to die, or those who survive and call themselves Muslim will perpetuate the same again and again upon the West.
As I said, you may disagree with me that this would be possible from the American Government. But I know the psyche of the American people very well. 9-11 gave me a perfect example of the panic and terror and blind demand to survive at all costs, of the human animal. And global thermonuclear war, I know VERY well. You have no clue how swiftly and completely we can bring about the end of the Muslim world.
The only question which remains, is when will they grow to understand the fire they are playing with?
Subsunk
Subsunk on November 24, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Okay, you’re right, I very much DID misunderstand you.
Dark-Star on November 24, 2009 at 2:43 PM
you do realize who the president is right??
wishful thinking…
they won’t need to nuke us, we’re joining them.
right4life on November 24, 2009 at 4:35 PM
He may as well have authorized 39,999 just one short in order to show McChrystal who’s boss and that he won.
Dr. ZhivBlago on November 24, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Obaby thinking to himself…
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Boy this waiting 6 months to pick a number outta my a** so as to look important sure is tough.
RalphyBoy on November 24, 2009 at 5:14 PM
So he dithered for months to decide on 34,000 instead of 40,000. What a loser. Well, in the end, President Pantywaist has told the world that he is eager to cut-n-run. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that the same president who has bowed before foreign leaders and who has given the 911 war criminals civilian rights will be the guy who loses to the Taliban and AQ. The Democrats really are the party of weakness.
pearson on November 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Obama wants to have it both ways. But if and when we do bug out and the Taliban and AlQaida take Afghanistan over again, blaming Bush may not be a viable alternative.
Terrye on November 24, 2009 at 5:59 PM
It your war now, Pal. Own it.
But don’t worry too much, Mr. Obama. Conservatives will continue to support the United States and the troops.
Unlike your traitorous friends.
blink on November 24, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Greater the fool I
Some libs are scoffing at me. I have been predicting a pull out since His election. He foxed me. As a couple of writers pointed out above, however, this could be a CYA maneuver. I didn’t think of anything like that.
In the 2.3 minutes I watched of Countdown tonight, The One’s deliberation was praised in the extreme. The question is, what was He thinking about? Polls?
IlikedAUH2O on November 24, 2009 at 9:36 PM
What an a-hole. Nickle and diming the Generals and hurting the troops. What a disgusting excuse for a CIC. Can’t make a decision and then screws around with just enough less than requested to make it appear that HE is boss. Total, dirty liar pos. Our troops are in harms way and he sits and politicizes. Scum bag….. Go find someone to bow down to you low life community organizer gangster. I wonder whether he knows how much he is despised???
highninside on November 24, 2009 at 11:02 PM
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