Lieberman on Reid plan: “No”
posted at 1:36 pm on November 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Harry Reid may feel the wind at his back for the moment, but it doesn’t blow much past Joe Lieberman. While Reid tries to sell the public option to moderate Democrats like Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln to avoid a filibuster, the solidly liberal Lieberman digs in his heels in opposition to it. In fact, he promises to be “stubborn” on the issue:
Sen. Joseph Lieberman, speaking in that trademark sonorous baritone, utters a simple statement that translates into real trouble for Democratic leaders: “I’m going to be stubborn on this.”
Stubborn, he means, in opposing any health-care overhaul that includes a “public option,” or government-run health-insurance plan, as the current bill does. His opposition is strong enough that Mr. Lieberman says he won’t vote to let a bill come to a final vote if a public option is included.
Probe for a catch or caveat in that opposition, and none is visible. Can he support a public option if states could opt out of the plan, as the current bill provides? “The answer is no,” he says in an interview from his Senate office. “I feel very strongly about this.” How about a trigger, a mechanism for including a public option along with a provision saying it won’t be used unless private insurance plans aren’t spreading coverage far and fast enough? No again.
So any version of a public option will compel Mr. Lieberman to vote against bringing a bill to a final vote? “Correct,” he says.
This is, of course, more than just one senator objecting to one part of health legislation. This is the former Democratic vice presidential nominee, now an independent, Joe Lieberman, still counted on to be the 60th vote Democrats will need to force a final vote on health legislation. In opposing a public option, he is opposing the element some Democratic liberals have come to consider the cornerstone of a health-care bill.
In fact, it’s a little bit more than even that. It will be difficult for red-state moderates up for re-election in 2010 to vote for the bill while a man who was on the Democratic Party’s national ticket remains “stubborn” against it. A vote by Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, or Byron Dorgan to clear the bill for a final floor vote while Lieberman supports a filibuster will not go unnoticed by their conservative constituencies.
Why is Lieberman remaining stubborn? He told the Wall Street Journal that “we have to start saying no to some things like this,” with deficits skyrocketing and government spending out of control. Lieberman would support an incremental approach rather than the overhaul Reid proposes, and especially something without a new government entitlement.
Unfortunately for Reid, his progressives have also dug in their heels. They will not support a bill without a public option, which means Reid has a lot of tapdancing to do to get this bill past a cloture vote. He either needs to reach across the aisle to secure Republican votes — which would mean a large-scale rewriting of the bill — or attempt to whip his caucus hard to get his vote. And Lieberman’s opposition will make that all but impossible.
This is not over by a long shot.
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Well I am SOL on that note. Want to guess who my traitor of a Senator is. She is not up for re election til 2014 and its very hard to recall a Senator.
LSUMama on November 24, 2009 at 3:07 PM
And, do you enjoy waiting in line for you government healthcare?
Johan Klaus on November 24, 2009 at 3:10 PM
So, how many 300 million dollar bribes has Harry got in his pocket?
SKYFOX on November 24, 2009 at 3:10 PM
This stance by Lieberman is very much like the Grover Cleveland democrats of old. The democrats used to truly govern from the middle. It all changed when Woodrow Wilson became president. It has delined into growing socialistic-progressiveness ever since then with occasional scattered showers of good fiscal policies [JFK tax cuts]. When the democrats start to get back to Grover Cleveland style of governing, the Independants will return to their ranks. Obama spoke like a centrist during the campaign and duped many Americans. It is clear now to all of us that Obama has no intention of abiding to those centrist promises.
For Lieberman, like Reagan in so much, he didn’t leave the democrat party, the party left him.
Americannodash on November 24, 2009 at 3:10 PM
we just got the bill last week. I know it seems like a long time because it is a boring topic and we’ve talked about it all year. But we have been shadow boxing up until we got a bill. Now we have facts to refute.
Again, it can’t be over because we just got a bill. Don’t tire of this fight. This fight can be won. NOW is winning time. 4th quarter, final 5 mins of basketball, bottom of the 9th. It’s time to win.
ThackerAgency on November 24, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Mara Liason from NPR said she thought it would go to the middle, because the left will not refuse to vote for health care reform, even without the public option. I guess we will find out.
Terrye on November 24, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Thanks for posting that.
Loxodonta on November 24, 2009 at 3:28 PM
So, how many 300 million dollar bribes has Harry got in his pocket?
SKYFOX on November 24, 2009 at 3:10 PM
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He’s got the remainder of the unspent stimulus plus whatever Obama’s thugs can print divided by 300,000,000.
bluegrass on November 24, 2009 at 3:40 PM
I’ll believe it when I see it…
jerrytbg on November 24, 2009 at 3:47 PM
I don’t agree with Lieberman on a lot of his positions, but I believe that he is an honorable and honest man.
hillbillyjim on November 24, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Lieberman must understand that government-run health care is a death sentence for the state of Connecticut… Hartford being the Insurance City and all… Now will its 5 Congress-critters figure that out…
phreshone on November 24, 2009 at 4:01 PM
That’s probably why Lieberman backed McCain/Palin in 2008.
jhffmn on November 24, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Awwww, guess I hit a nerve, eh? Come on, you Jew-hating basturd, is that all you got?
Andy in Agoura Hills on November 24, 2009 at 5:05 PM
damn Andy,
I was going to watch a movie…now I have keeping checking back to see how/if davey responds…it’s all your fault…;)
jerrytbg on November 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Not optimistic on this at all – Even if Lieberman stands his ground, we still have to worry about the Wonder Twins, who have proven that they can be bought off easier than your average crack whore walking the stroll. Then you have Lincoln, Landrieu, and Nelson, who’ll be voting yes, because if it doesn’t pass, they won’t be getting their 30 pieces of silver.
Sorry to be so negative, but that’s just reality as I see it.
JFS61 on November 24, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Yup. And oftentimes they end up eliminated during one of several purges.
There you go-thinking you’re relevant again.
I know important things that happen outside of my borders.
But as to your little holidays-I could really careless whether you’re eating turkey or beating off in your mom’s basement on turkey day.
Badger40 on November 24, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Not sure-but word has it he’s stealing all the water used in irrigation in NV so Vegas can still use their pretty fountains.
Badger40 on November 24, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Lieberman has the chance to go down in history as the man who saved us from this monstrosity.
……I hope he takes that opportunity.
Hawkins1701 on November 24, 2009 at 5:45 PM
I don’t think this is accurate. I believe that Lieberman would have voted for a public option in 2000. Lieberman is still basically an economic liberal, just more cautious, because he’s actually thinking about the issues. And no matter how strongly I disagree with Senator Graham on immigration, I suspect that Graham is thinking on issues also. My own thinking is that we are better off when our politicians think rather just blindly follow a line like most do, or blindly compromise in the case of two female senators from the same state. (You get to figure out the state.)
thuja on November 24, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Right now I’m thinking how Michael Moore led the charge to unseat Liebs. It will be so sweet if Liebs is the one who
stops this health care take over given Moores stand on the issue. ha ha ha ha ha
sonnyspats1 on November 24, 2009 at 7:23 PM
FINALLY, someone says the word besides me: recall.
recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall, recall,
Can you hear me now.
Get Up!
Get off your butt. Do something about it!
Would you die on your feet, or live on your knees?
FREEDOM!
Blacksmith8 on November 24, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Let’s recall all of them, on both sides of the aisle and in the middle.
texanpride on November 25, 2009 at 3:53 PM
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