3rd quarter GDP 2.8%, not 3.5%
posted at 12:55 pm on November 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Commerce Department revised its third-quarter economy estimation sharply downward today, from the previously announced 3.5% annualized growth to 2.8% instead. That number would still be the best quarter in almost two years, but as the AP notes, it’s almost entirely comprised of short-term government stimulus:
The economy grew at a 2.8 percent pace last quarter, as the recovery got off to a slower start than first thought.
The Commerce Department’s new reading on gross domestic product wasn’t as energetic as the 3.5 percent growth rate for the July-September period estimated just a month ago.
The main factors behind the downgrade: consumers didn’t spend as much, commercial construction was weaker and the nation’s trade deficit was more of a drag on growth. Businesses also trimmed more of their stockpiles, another restraining factor.
The new reading on GDP, which measures the value of all goods and services produced in the United States — from machinery to manicures — was a tad weaker than the 2.9 percent growth rate economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters had expected.
Jim Geraghty points out one big set of numbers that changed:
The revised numbers out today indicate that automotive consumption was less than half initially estimated, contributing 0.81 of percentage point to growth. The overall quarterly growth number was revised from 3.5 percent to 2.8 percent.
The White House had pointed to the original number of 1.7% as an indicator of the success of Cash for Clunkers. Now it looks as though they overestimated that number as well, which auto analyst Edmunds.com had stated. For speaking a little truth to power, the Obama administration went to war with Edmunds, a war they lost in the first exchange and have completely lost today.
Meanwhile, the AP does its best to spin the news as much as it possibly can:
Even with the downward revisions, it was notable that such spending grew, after falling in the previous quarter.
But they do manage to ask the correct question, albeit halfway through their article:
What’s not clear is whether the recovery can continue after government supports are gone.
Answer: no, at least not in isolation. In order to get a true recovery, which depends on consumer confidence and spending, the US needs to get the job-creation engine going. That won’t happen while the Obama administration and the Democrats send signals of massive tax increases and energy cost hikes with their expansionist, statist agenda. Investors will stay on the sidelines and shelter their money for the monsoon season of rainy days they see when Obama has to start paying for all of his ambitious programs.
It’s not “notable” that a couple of short-term stimulus programs spiked consumption in two narrow — but politically visible — categories. In fact, a more cynical person would conclude that Obama wanted one good report on GDP in order to push his complete agenda through Congress without people questioning its cost. Unfortunately, the timing failed, and even the artificial spike wasn’t nearly as high as Obama and his team initially claimed. What will be “notable” is what happens when the artificial stimuli disappear and jobs don’t reappear.










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Take away c4c and it’s negative. So a long term drag on the economy didn’t even produce any short term gain.
Great job, retards.
lorien1973 on November 24, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Thanks, 52%’ers!
Hesiodos on November 24, 2009 at 12:57 PM
If the “recovery” exists only because of government support, then it ain’t a recovery.
Dolts.
BobMbx on November 24, 2009 at 12:58 PM
It was a sugar fix…and increases the chances of going negative again in the near future…which is, by definition, a double-dip. Obama knows it’s coming…he caused it.
AUINSC on November 24, 2009 at 12:59 PM
GOOD NEWS!!!
Guess whos hiring 1 million jobs?
maynila on November 24, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Only racists have a problem with spending $800 billion to get $200 billion in “growth”
lorien1973 on November 24, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Presidenting is hard.
Thunderstorm129 on November 24, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Merrry Chrisssstmaaassss!
blatantblue on November 24, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Some more of that fuzzy math from bho and team.
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letget on November 24, 2009 at 1:00 PM
like all of the accounting in Obama’s admin, that’s a pretty big math error
Doctor Zhivago on November 24, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Cooking the books. Cash for clunkers and shifting foreclosed homes. How do we say they are attending cooking school for cooking books.
seven on November 24, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Obama: You’re Welcome.
lorien1973 on November 24, 2009 at 1:01 PM
I guess they don’t teach math at Hah vad.
Thunderstorm129 on November 24, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Green shoots! Green effin shoots!
Besides, measuring economic growth isn’t an exact science or something.
Bishop on November 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM
We didn’t really buy the 3.5 number anyway. Three card monte is a suckers game.
thomasaur on November 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Gold is setting new highs almost daily.
The dollar continues to drop steadily.
The people who are betting with their own money are betting against the US economy.
MarkTheGreat on November 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM
TRAITOR…….He should be removed from office immediately.
But hey, if not we always have free and fair elections in 2010 right?
PappyD61 on November 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Pretty soon, I’m going to have a tingle going up my arm…but it’ll be a heart attack, from the stress of all this.
capejasmine on November 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Only an over-estimate of 25%. Pretty good for Affirmative Action math.
Still when you have a budget deficit of $1,400,000,000,000 and get almost $75 billion increase in GDP. Not a good investment.
jukin on November 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM
over promising and under delivering….
Change.
ted c on November 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Soon news organizations like the AP will start asking “Why are we in a ‘double dip’ recession?” They will insist that there was some kind of recovery followed by another recession.
Not so. Not when the dividing line is one quarter of questionable growth sparked by politically inspired deficit spending programs. C4C, the homebuyer tax credit, etc, will thus be used to prevent the use of the more accurate term–depression.
We can fool ourselves for only so long.
Revenant on November 24, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Come on, Zero said he saved 1 million jobs, we are in a recovery right now, Geithner won’t step down because things are going in the right direction. With all of this spin going on about the economy a lot of people are going to be surprised when the economy takes an unexpected dive.
Brat4life on November 24, 2009 at 1:04 PM
A fool an our money…….
mad scientist on November 24, 2009 at 1:04 PM
They saved or created 0.7%.
LibTired on November 24, 2009 at 1:05 PM
So, basically, the GDP number last month was faked to help with the elections then…
Anyone want to bet me that they will “report” something ridiculous, like a 5% GDP growth just before the 2010 midterms, then revise it to nothing right after?
wildcat84 on November 24, 2009 at 1:05 PM
that means the #s for the next quarter are expected to be even lower. By lowering the #s for the 3rd today, they reduce the impact of the still lower #s expected for the 4th.
They have been doing this Initial High, Adjusted Low act all year.
james23 on November 24, 2009 at 1:06 PM
As predicted. Revisions don’t get nearly the press the original numbers do. There’s a pattern of reports like this up or down based on who’s in or running for office.
Don’t forget it can be revised down yet again, btw.
Strick on November 24, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Actually, that’s true.
Basically, a number of things conspired to give the appearance of growth by boosting the figure we use as a proxy for our economic output. The reality is that real output is not only shrinking, but shrinking faster because of these government games. Worse, because government is monkeying around with who wins and who goes under, this isn’t even the good kind of shrinking that makes way for future growth by killing off the companies that can’t make it.
Count to 10 on November 24, 2009 at 1:08 PM
I’m not certain off the top of my head but I think the GDP number also has another 2 more revisions to go. The whole thing has become Smoke and Mirrors anyway and doesn’t have much more credibility that the Global Warming scam.
MB4 on November 24, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Screw the numbers. It’s growth!
Love,
Obowma
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:08 PM
But-But green jobs…..
What that really means is that we need to start growing our own food for when the economy really gets bad.
mad scientist on November 24, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Malaise and a Crisis of Confidence in the Dems’ leadership.
Christien on November 24, 2009 at 1:10 PM
The goods news: The banks are lending.
The bad news: The banks are lending to the federal government.
WashJeff on November 24, 2009 at 1:11 PM
That isn’t going to happen. The hayday of credit spending is over.
AnninCA on November 24, 2009 at 1:11 PM
The “recovery” is complete propaganda. When you delete CfC its NEGATIVE.
If you read the BLS.gov website and see the three biggest segments of layoffs for the last couple of months, (Manufacturing, Construction and Retail) and connect the dots, HELLO WAKE UP CALL.
Companies making tons of money don’t keep laying off tons of workers. (Especially retail at the beginning of the Christmas season)
The facts don’t back up Bozo propaganda. This is just more “Saved and Created” phony baloney.
dogsoldier on November 24, 2009 at 1:12 PM
I was reading an article today about consumers trying to keep a tight lid on spending for the holidays because of pre-existing debt and another survey that concluded:
The private sector is on the brink of insolvency, which is not an environment where growth is going to happen.
venividivici on November 24, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Barry: And I spend every waking hour, when I’m talking to my economic team, about how we are going to put people back to work.
Loxodonta on November 24, 2009 at 1:13 PM
For everyone except many state governments and the federal government. It is just getting started.
WashJeff on November 24, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Lemme guess, the next quarter will the numbers will be “lower than expected”.
boomer on November 24, 2009 at 1:14 PM
FIFY. Which also means we won’t be counting the increased jobless rate in our statistics. We got growth! Details only get in the way.
Why can’t you figure this out? Aren’t you listening to our lib friends enough? /sarc
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Agreed. We need more ACORN’s!
Loxodonta on November 24, 2009 at 1:14 PM
FIFY. Which also means we won’t be counting the increased jobless rate in our stats. We got growth! Details only get in the way.
Why can’t you figure this out? Aren’t you listening to our lib friends enough? /sarc
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:14 PM
“The White House announced a revised US troop deployment to Afghanistan previously set at 34,000 just a month ago….”
Trusser13 on November 24, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Bush and Obama both supported TARP. So did I. I think it braked a complete and total meltdown.
But, the Dow is obviously also overvalued at this point.
That spells another bubble pop in the near future.
We’re in a very turbulent economic time. Government can’t create jobs, other than government jobs or side support jobs.
And there is no credit really flowing.
Until they deal with the toxic assets for once and all, there won’t be, either. That means, those properties have to hit the market.
At bottom prices.
AnninCA on November 24, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Where’s Grow Fins???? How about Crr6? No comment from them?
mo_gunslinger on November 24, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Not by a long shot, princess. But you already know this.
You have no idea how much I’ve enjoyed your growing evolution.
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:17 PM
as soon as the housing market finally collapses, there goes the value of our money and inflation finally hits and hits hard
Doctor Zhivago on November 24, 2009 at 1:17 PM
And they did exactly the opposite with Bush for his last two years in office. 4.5% unemployment bad, 3.5% GDP growth far below expectations, etc. Things that make you go hmmmmmm…..
Johnnyreb on November 24, 2009 at 1:17 PM
The collapse has already happened. The properties aren’t yet available for sale.
That comes this year and next year.
If you have money? You’re going to be very happy.
AnninCA on November 24, 2009 at 1:19 PM
I feel bad for Sarah… it’s going to be tough cleaning this mess up in a few years.
BPD on November 24, 2009 at 1:19 PM
I can’t accept that for one big reason: When government is out of the way, entrepreneurs invariably step in to fill the vacuum. Where there is need, there’s chance to make money. When people are making money, the economy grows and the people prosper.
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Unlike Lox, Ladyingray, or Asiangirl….*hehe
AnninCA on November 24, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Hopefully where they belong: Hell.
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Tell that to those who will be paying off our national debt at the rate of $700 billion per year. And that amount is just the minimum. If there’s any increase in spending and/or there’s any increase in interest rates, our interest payments could double or triple or the sky’s the limit.
Loxodonta on November 24, 2009 at 1:21 PM
I think that is coming. But TARP slowed down the devastation. I disagree with the left on this, too. They love to bash the bankers.
I personally thought it was the right move by both administrations. Slow it down.
AnninCA on November 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM
PackerBronco on November 24, 2009 at 1:23 PM
I remember getting in Dutch with some for knowing you in my gut, so to speak, and saying so. I knew you’d come to your own understanding. You have a brain, which preclude you from being liberal too far or for too long.
Glad to have you with us!
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Why are you waiting for the government to put this out? Goldman was all over this on Oct 28th. Go to the real source of all things financial next time.
genso on November 24, 2009 at 1:23 PM
FIFY.
1921 C DRUM on November 24, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Every single person I know relies upon some pension plan that relies upon the stock market. Watch it blow up?
Watch them be homeless.
Every single city I can think of is invested.
Every single union, even, is invested.
Seriously, a complete meltdown of Wall St. is way, way beyond even the Great Depression stories.
I agreed with Bush and with Obama. Slow it down.
We are still going to definitely suffer and badly. But I think both administrations knew what they had to do.
AnninCA on November 24, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Pssst … no one’s told Obama that yet …
PackerBronco on November 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Chainsaw dunlap
Years ago we had chainsaw Dunlap end up at Sunbeam. He used inducements and cheating to shift sales figures into the current period and jack up his numbers. I see the same here, Mortgages are induced with 8,000 dollars and he claims sales of caulking and road projects. The economy can be shrinking and we do not get clean reports.
(Years ago Bill Clinton counted a 6 billion dollar order for Boeings several times to the Saudis).
seven on November 24, 2009 at 1:26 PM
That might be the problem itself.
If the banking system had been allowed to “collapse”, there would have been a lot of pain, but what was left would have been ready to get things rolling again. Instead, we are left with a slow decline as the losers pull everyone else down with them.
Count to 10 on November 24, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Oh, they know. They aren’t that stupid.
There is no solution. Now, we have to absorb the toxic assets.
That’s a process.
AnninCA on November 24, 2009 at 1:27 PM
I went to a pre-foreclosure yard sale the other day, bought a table lamp for $8, and got CHANGE…for a ten.
RBMN on November 24, 2009 at 1:27 PM
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss AsianGirlInTights!
Loxodonta on November 24, 2009 at 1:27 PM
1921 C DRUM on November 24, 2009 at 1:27 PM
I can live with a touch of government intervention, but only a touch. The problem with government handouts is that they come with government regulation.
I say get government out of place it doesn’t belong, and let the people choose. In a free market, bad products don’t seel and eventually go away. But under government, the people are stuck with bad choices.
I prefer my liberty to screw up and make a bad decision, then fix it. With government, there’s no fix to a bad decision–one I didn’t make but, rather, they made for me.
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:27 PM
2.8% is still super awesome
– 343AnnInGrowSimpleBleeds
angryed on November 24, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Is that a defense or a complaint? LOL
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:28 PM
That’s the argument, for sure. But I still say that if you saw your parents being homeless, you’d scream like a banshee.
And that is the issue. Even Bush didn’t want to see people go through the reality of a total crash.
It would mean that no pension plan was viable, no city had a penny left for police support, no company in the country wasn’t bankrupt.
Nevermind the global consequences.
Just a simple question. Do you know how many major companies no longer guarantee their pensions?
It’s more than you think.
Their investments go bad?
There is no longer a guarantee.
Every Coca-cola retiree thinking they have a life-plan could be looking at complete devastation.
The checks stop coming.
This was a much bigger story than anyone really got. That is why you see Bush and Obama agreeing on the solution.
It was just that bad.
AnninCA on November 24, 2009 at 1:31 PM
O
I beg to differ.
NoFanofLibs on November 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Where ever they are, I’m sure they’re together.
And I’m sure it involves KY.
1921 C DRUM on November 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Awww……too late.
Got your number, dear.
AnninCA on November 24, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Inquiring minds want to know whether the revision downwards was due to the Commerce Dpeartment finally factoring out the bogus “jobs created or saved” contributions from non-existent congressional districts.
Porkulus: It’s What’s for Dinner!
ya2daup on November 24, 2009 at 1:35 PM
The very first sentence says it all: “The economy grew at a 2.8 percent pace last quarter, as the recovery got off to a slower start than first thought”.
What “recovery” are these AP asshats talking about????? Home sales are down; foreclosures are at a (new) record level; unemployment (realistically) is at least 12-15%; the $ is in the dumper and correspondingly, gold is at an all-time high (because NOBODY has any confidence in the USD or the US economy); we’re still debating an additional $1.3 to $2 trillion + additional debt for health care “reform”…..
WHAT AM I MISSING HERE???? WHY CAN’T I SEE A ‘RECOVERY’???
alwyr on November 24, 2009 at 1:36 PM
All I see is growing repulsiveness…
ladyingray on November 24, 2009 at 1:36 PM
OK. I gotta say this. If anyone here thinks they have converted a liberal poster to conservatism and now is patting themselves on the back, then you are crazy. That is such a scam. They are playing with you. Watch next week as they convert back.
bloggless on November 24, 2009 at 1:37 PM
So far, the stimulus and bailout mentality has been successful at the following:
1) Delaying a real recovery
2) Prolonging suffering
3) Increasing debt with no long-term benefit
4) Driving down the dollar’s value
5) Pushing investment out of the US to create jobs elsewhere
6) Preventing/delaying states from making fiscal responsible decisions
and the ones I’m sure BO is giddy about:
7) Increasing individual dependence on the government
8) Growing the size of government
It is fascinating to watch as the liberals continue to cast blame and continue down the same path, somehow thinking that what they are doing is working or could possibly work. They are unshaken by facts, truth, and economic history as they pursue their pure ideology.
ClanDerson on November 24, 2009 at 1:37 PM
I know what can help us get out of this slump…….a troll car bash. Essentially a car bash is when people pay to smash a car. I nominate……bleeds blue.
FontanaConservative on November 24, 2009 at 1:37 PM
poor fools, they think they have converted her. She is playing with them like a cat plays with a mouse.
bloggless on November 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM
The proper term is “presidentiationing”
– Obama’s My Big Words Dictionary
ya2daup on November 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM
If my parents were homeless, I’d take them in faster than a lib could say ‘racefan’. And I wouldn’t care how my psycho ex complained. It’s that simple, hon. We protect those we love. Government doesn’t love. At least, not like you do.
As for pensions, whose fault is it to depend on someone else? Why didn’t those people take a second option, to invest funds on their own?
You see, it’s nuts to trust a union or some other such entity when there are tales for decades of union and even business corruption.
I go by this adage: Trust Allah but tie your camel.
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM
I know what can help us get out of this slump…….a troll car bash. Essentially a car bash is when people pay to smash a car. I nominate……bleeds blue’s CAR.
FontanaConservative on November 24, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Sorry, don’t want to be taken out of context
FontanaConservative on November 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM
The Fed just said they’d continue to buy mortgage-backed securities to push off the housing collapse, which means even more money down the rat hole.
venividivici on November 24, 2009 at 1:39 PM
So Anne, was the conversion a sudden thing or did you evolve slowly? What was the straw that broke the liberals back, so to speak?
bloggless on November 24, 2009 at 1:40 PM
I hope it doesn’t. Just to make them HUUUUUUUURT!
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Tarp was an intervention, Washington hasn’t quit it’s ways. Zero might get those helicopters after all
Zero doesn’t care about cutting spending right now. He’s going to spend as much as he can before the economy crashes.
Brat4life on November 24, 2009 at 1:41 PM
I said it before and I’ll say it again, Obama’s “green jobs” consist solely of mucking out the unicorns’ stables.
ya2daup on November 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM
GDP stats are racist.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 24, 2009 at 1:43 PM
To quote that wise philosophizer, Ron White:
You can’t fix stupid.
ladyingray on November 24, 2009 at 1:43 PM
If I were you, I wouldn’t trust AP with my camel. Cats, maybe.
Loxodonta on November 24, 2009 at 1:43 PM
The FDIC Is Broke
Yes, really.
Off the wire this morning:
FDIC Deposit fund had negative $8.2B balance in Q3
That’s broke. Bankrupt. Kaput. Gone. Poof. Dead. Rotting. A corpse.
Yes, yes, I know, Treasury has their back. But let’s not forget – The FDIC does not have a legal “full faith and credit” guarantee from the US Federal Government and Treasury.
It has a “sense of Congress” resolution, but not a formal, legally-binding guarantee.
Let’s put this in common-man terms:
YOUR SO-CALLED “DEPOSIT INSURANCE” AND THE SEVERAL TRILLION IN CITIZEN BANK DEPOSITS ARE BACKED BY THE SAME AMOUNT OF CAPITAL THAT AIG HAD TO BACK THEIR CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS: BUPKIS.
Congratulations Sheila – is that your resignation I see in your hand or is that your promotion from Obama – after all, we all know that in Government the more you screw up and screw the taxpayer, the better the job you’re offered.
One final question: Is the only thing preventing panic and bank runs the sheer stupidity of The American People?
MB4 on November 24, 2009 at 1:44 PM
I would suggest that everyone stop trying to rationalize all of this and skip ahead to the big picture -
This administration is intent on collapsing the system completely. There are no other plausible explanations. Their Cloward-Piven strategy is working beautifully and they are wiping their asses with the Constitution on a daily basis.
They have no intention of doing anything but digging us further and further into a hole that we will never get out of. Crisis ensues and bingo…its the catastrophe they have been waiting for!
Wake up! The enemy is in the gates and it’s time to defend what is left of our Republic.
I have no hopes for enough of a political change even in 2010 due to the ACORN voter fraud already in place and the corruption so deeply entrenched in all branches of government.
They sense momemtum and will do everything in their power to stay entrenched forever.
It’s time to switch tactics
Flyboy on November 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Why go to a middle man? Just smash the lib and be done with it.
I’d call it justifiable homicide.
Liam on November 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM
No, they would have money for police — they just wouldn’t have money for all of the charity work they have been doing. If bankruptcy is what it takes to get out from under unsustainable wage and pension contracts, that’s what it takes. Yes, a lot of older people would likely have to re-enter the work force: this is actually a good thing for productivity, provided wages are allowed to drop to accommodate it.
All of this panic is over not wanting to give up what you thought you had. When you allow that to override your perception of reality, you drive yourself into the ground.
Count to 10 on November 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM
I’ve got a bf, sorry.
None of you will be having ‘relations’ with me.
AsianGirlInTights on November 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Flyboy on November 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Shoo!
bloggless on November 24, 2009 at 1:46 PM
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