Video: Glenn Beck buries the two-party system — almost
posted at 6:57 pm on November 23, 2009 by Allahpundit
Another bit o’ data for my debate with Ace over whether Beck’s serious about independent/third-party challenges or just trying to scare the GOP into tacking right. I’d say this clip is a point in his favor, the coffin metaphor notwithstanding. GB does seem to be saying it’s not too late for the party to repent, although I wish he’d knock it off with the disingenuously nonpartisan “I’ll vote for the Democrats if they turn libertarian too” nonsense. That’s like saying you’ll become Catholic if the Church renounces the Bible. His message is aimed at one party only and every last one of his viewers knows it.
Exit question per this weekend’s announcement of “The Plan”: If Barack Obama announced education “conferences” (purely voluntary) to teach people the joys of statism and benevolent government, how many weeks of material would GB get out of it? Eight? 10?
Update: Commenters are already objecting to the hypothetical on grounds that Obama’s megaphone as president is so much bigger than Beck’s. Fair enough, although I can’t think of a media figure on the left who’s quite equivalent to Beck (or Rush, for that matter) in stature. Maybe … Oprah? She seems not quite political enough. How about Gore or Bill Clinton? Beck would object that they’re eminent former government officials while he’s just a “rodeo clown” (who’s, um, planning his own March on Washington), but you could argue that these days he has more influence over the right’s base than they do over the left’s.
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rjoco1 on November 23, 2009 at 7:37 PM
I think Beck claims to be #3. I agree with Levin on the issues, but turns me off when he goes on his anti-Beck rants. They are on the same page, just Beck has a different style.
Conservative Voice on November 23, 2009 at 7:39 PM
And he’s mean all the time. Not a good way to convince people
jgapinoy on November 23, 2009 at 7:39 PM
I pretty much agree. He seems to be saying that Conservatives need to be as educated and organized as ACORN or SEIU. I hope his ego does not lead him down the slippery slope of a third party.
d1carter on November 23, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Thanks, Lourdes, for your posts. I’m a fan of yours. Please indulge me to suggest, as an agnostic libertarian myself, that libertarianism has little to do with religious commitment. I think if you research it, you’ll find religious libertarians, agnostic libertarians, and atheist libertarians. Granted, there are probably more of one breed than another, but we libertarians have diversity [ughhh].
petefrt on November 23, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Don’t talk like one of them. You’re not…even if you’d like to be. To them, you’re just a freak, like me. They need you right now, but when they don’t, they’ll cast you out, like a leper. You see their morals, their code, it’s a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They’re only as good as the world allows them to be. I’ll show you, when the chips are down, these, uh, these civilized people, they’ll eat each other. See I’m not a monster, I’m just ahead of the curve.
MadisonConservative on November 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM
The REPUBLICANS didn’t stop amnesty~the American Tax Payer crashing the congressional phone system and scaring the piss out of said congress stopped it.
Gimme a cookie, monster!
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM
I get a kick out him referring to Beck as “the 5pm-er”
JetBoy on November 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Beck unfolds his ideas a little at a time. He thinks BIG PICTURE and being a right brain guy he paints a portrait and people judge the piece before it’s finsihed.
The problem with people who try to figure him out is they jump on each stage he progressively exposes and then they get it all WRONG…
Beck is a genius. A thinker. Too many of you jump to conclusions too soon.
Stay with him and watch what he is doing from a distance and quit thinking of immediate ramifications.
katy on November 23, 2009 at 7:42 PM
I’m for a no party system. If people have to actually think about who they vote for instead of “oh, this guy has a D behind his name I’d better vote for him”, we might actually have informed voters. For those who don’t want to go to all the work of being informed they will hopefully be more likely to stay home and not cancel out the informed voters. No, it’s not perfect but, I’d like to see how it would work.
boomer on November 23, 2009 at 7:44 PM
The reason I quit listening to him. He’s starting to sound like a little jealous harpy. He should be embracing someone who wants to clean up the Republican party.
I guess there’s no room for that in Levin’s world.
Knucklehead on November 23, 2009 at 7:44 PM
+100.
A lot of people don’t appreciate his style, but they need to look past that and listen to the message. Conservatives and libetarians are a stubborn, intelligent bunch. We can make our own decisions. We never march in lock step. Listen and take what you can use and leave the rest.
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Glenn beck is right about both parties, they are corrupt. Look at the people
ruiningrunning our country or have beenruiningrunning the country for the past 8 yrs. They have FAILED!!! If you could TRUST anyone it might be nice, but you can’t.3rd party is not the answer, but I’m willing to listen. Glenn is great, but I won’t vote for someone just because he said to.
I can’t wait for the LORD Jesus to come. MARANATHA!
Lisa on November 23, 2009 at 7:46 PM
He gives me a headache.
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 7:46 PM
The Wigs come to mind — but i’m just a regular Jim — or would that be Joe – as in Lieberman / Plumber ,,and it ain’t 2010 yet and the “Show (trial) hasn’t even started yet..
wheels on November 23, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Can work either way.
The parties are not the same or even simular.
DethMetalCookieMonst on November 23, 2009 at 7:47 PM
boomer on November 23, 2009 at 7:44 PM
I agree, as I consider myself to be a Washington conservative. Though I do like primaries… I have often thought if I were to run for office, I would run as a Democrat, because I would practically be invisible to the media.
Conservative Voice on November 23, 2009 at 7:47 PM
EDUCATION!DUH! Is there something wrong with that?
You libtards are so fond of those perfect children you did not abort? Please explain to them how you are so willng to hock their future. Shame on you!
katy the mean old lady on November 23, 2009 at 7:47 PM
It saddens me. I tried listening to him this summer once again, but his relentless bashing of others on our side became unbearable after only several weeks. The man has fine intellect, but his inability to control his petty, tastelessly and destructively petty ego makes him unbearable.
petefrt on November 23, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Levin is one the the smartest people around…Beck the most passionate…Rush is just in his element so you can’t categorize it.
tomas on November 23, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Some of you people have got things backwards: The party should be loyal to me, not me to it! This isn’t a football team we’re talking about here. Just putting an “R” behind your name is not enough to get my vote. And if the Democrat Party became more Libertarian I’ll vote blue instead.
But I’ll tell you what folks, if things don’t turn around pretty soon both the Red and the Blue are going to be in one hell of a shock when the Gadsden Flag starts flying in place of Old Glory.
Browncoatone on November 23, 2009 at 7:48 PM
That, and his open disdain for libertarians. I still listen to him though.
Firefly_76 on November 23, 2009 at 7:48 PM
I don’t get it. Even if Beck’s not in prime time, he’s pulling in vastly higher numbers than those who are.
Emily M. on November 23, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Am I the only one who didn’t hear Beck say he was supporting a third party idea? My impression was that he wants the two parties to shape up. And he doesn’t have to be talking about national politics. He mentioned micro versus macro. I think he was referring to the idea of working at the local and state level to elect good candidates regardless of party. Which is possible.
Deanna on November 23, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Did I SAY they were? NO. I made the point that it was the American voter, all parties, all races, standing up to stop amnesty. Bush/McCain/Graham/Kyl/Martinez wanted amnesty. The voters didn’t.
Now, where is my damn cookie?
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Ophra’s “new cable network” in 2011 could be a front Obama, just saying.
GaltBlvnAtty on November 23, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Symbolism is part of Glenns appeal to me and at the end of the clip he threw the crowbar(life jacket) to the republican casket. Just an observation.
fourdeucer on November 23, 2009 at 7:53 PM
You got it.
+1
I vote for them when they support my positions. When they stop supporting my positions, I stop voting for them. Simple as that.
petefrt on November 23, 2009 at 7:53 PM
No, it’s because….the only way to stop the impending doom that the hard left democrats are bringing is to vote republican. That’s why.
therightscoop on November 23, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Deanna on November 23, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Exactly, but people think everything political is the 2012 Presidential elections, when the fact of the matter is, If Congress, Governors, State Legislatures, Mayors, City Councils were rooted in Constitutional principles, Obama wouldn’t matter.
Conservative Voice on November 23, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Did Glenn Beck call the senator from Louisiana an expensive hooker?
Scranton on November 23, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Scranton on November 23, 2009 at 7:55 PM
yes, and how is she not?
Conservative Voice on November 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM
So you’re not an Olympia Snowe fan?
Bishop on November 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM
But there’s nothing inherent to the GOP that make them our only hope. The GOP is “our hope” because they are a major political party, they are not the Democrats, and they are on the Right. However unlikely it is that they would be replaced in this role, should there be no consequences for them if they move leave a vacuum in the part of the political spectrum where we dwell? Do we follow blindly forever out of fear of the Democrats?
The GOP isn’t our only hope. It’s just the best thing that’s on the table right now.
pifactorial on November 23, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Here you go.
Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Yeah, I know, but in my book that’s the least of my complaints with him. If my lifelong affair with libertarianism is in any way normal, then we libertarians have been awfully naive in the past. IMV, it’s our confluence with conservatism that gives both movements hope for a winning movement.
petefrt on November 23, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Yum. Mexican Wedding Cookies! Thank you, Lox.
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Deanna on November 23, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Exactly, but people think everything political is the 2012 Presidential elections, when the fact of the matter is, If Congress, Governors, State Legislatures, Mayors, City Councils were rooted in Constitutional principles, Obama wouldn’t matter.
Conservative Voice on November 23, 2009 at 7:53 PM
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Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! I think Beck is trying to wake up the Republicans…and it is working. We just keep the pressure on and make them live up to principles and values, we have won a portion of the battle.
shomegirl on November 23, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Whoa, don’t get crazy on us here.
pifactorial on November 23, 2009 at 8:00 PM
As a member of a 912 Project group and a Tea Party goer, I have seen this take root. We pointed out that people should support local/county condidates not based on their party but their principles. There were townhalls and debates, the first ever, for both county and several city candidates. It seemed to work as our city council recently ended up a three way split of Repubs, Dems, Indies. And they know why they were elected. The Dem Council President is more Conservative than many Repub Congresscritters.
Deanna on November 23, 2009 at 8:01 PM
You’re welcome. An Arizona Senator gave them to me, just for you.
Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 8:01 PM
The GOP is the only hope because rightly or wrongly there is probably 25 % of the population that will vote the GOP brand regardless of what it currently stands for.
So the next 10 elections would do nothing but gift-wrap them to the Democrats if conservatives wanted a more dogmatic 3rd party.
Reform the party from the inside- the way adults handle matters, not “whhaa, my party isn’t perfect I want to leave”.
Then decide if you want a less than perfect Republican or another loon of the left.
jjshaka on November 23, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Lox~don’t make me hurt you.
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Yes he did and I LMAO.
thomasaur on November 23, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Me too. So, $300 million for an hour/night/year?
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 8:07 PM
I tend to believe the worse things get, the more people pay attention. If we don’t think things will get worse during those 10 Democratic terms, then we’re out of a job. If we do… would they really keep getting elected? Do you think Americans are so incompetent that they could not organize into a coherent political resistance when they see the Democrats are trashing the country, GOP or no GOP? I know not everyone agrees, but if the choice is between things getting worse before they get better, or things never getting better, I go with option A. Political parties are like ratchets right now, only turning one way, and if reform ever does happen it’s going to be a response to leaders fearing their loss of support, not as a result of their followers saying, “change, or else we’ll whine about it and still vote for you.”
pifactorial on November 23, 2009 at 8:09 PM
A no party system would be immensely better than what we have now.
Each individual would have to declare themselves, campaign finance would take care of itself and as everybody knows party loyalties over national priorities are the worst thing Jefferson could have ever given us.
Speakup on November 23, 2009 at 8:11 PM
As long as it takes to say, “Yes.”
Once.
Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Off topic
But
WTF is Marc Lamont Hill, the racist hatemonger doing on BillO’s segment lashing @ Gov palin and Beck?
macncheez on November 23, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Y’all are retarded.
I watched this live, and nowhere have I seen this third party crap you all are giving allahpundit the posts for.
Beck is saying that the parties are not listening to you.
Susan Collins Olympia Snowe anyone?
he’s telling people to take back the country and not to be party hacks if the party isn’t doing what YOU want.
isn’t that what the whole of the flame wars about RINOs here on Hot Air have been about? Jeeeeeeeezzzzzz.
maybe if you listen to Beck and not the headlines about him…
and yes I agree Levin rocks but this pettiness between him and Beck is stupid. (Just like the Fact that Hannity won’t even utter Gelnn’s name. pay attention and you’ll see!)
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on November 23, 2009 at 8:19 PM
I have the utmost respect for Rush and never thought someone else could sway me — until this past weekend. I attended a GOOOH (Get Out Of Our House) mtg where the founder, Tim Cox, spoke. He knocked the daylights out of that argument in about five minutes flat.
If you don’t know, the libs use that “he/she’s going to split the party and let the Republican win” garbage too. If you think all these clowns in office necessarily HAVE to be elected at the expense of an unknown, you still don’t get it.
As Cox says, the most common argument is, “My (congress critter) is a good good guy. It’s all the rest that are the problem.”
Meanwhile, unless you live in Michelle Bachmann’s district, EVERY DAMN ONE of these eejits have stood by while we got legislated into the mess that we’re in. How many of them have railed against what’s happening? All they do is blame the other party.
I wouldn’t mind if all party designations went away altogether. How about electing a person based on their personal platform?
http://www.GOOOH.com
Lay off Beck. We’d all be in rough shape if he hadn’t started calling out the villains and laying out the real lay of the land.
sabu on November 23, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Hmmmm. I’m in the WRONG business. Organ repatriation doesn’t even pay THAT much.
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 8:20 PM
How did his daughter miss them?
Monica on November 23, 2009 at 8:26 PM
I was just thinking the same thing, especially since Fox said they fired him.
Knucklehead on November 23, 2009 at 8:26 PM
*Soda shower*
LMAO, Monica.
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 8:27 PM
They had a secure, heavily armed, border fence around them.
Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM
He had them hidden in a Weight Watchers box.
thomasaur on November 23, 2009 at 8:30 PM
And, under a book.
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Maybe BillO did snag that interview with HussainO and this creep is the attached string !
macncheez on November 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM
He gave them to Allahpundit for safe keeping.
Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Nice imagery.
thomasaur on November 23, 2009 at 8:36 PM
These cookies have been in Allah’s apartment?
*spits cookies out and brushes tongue with bleach and steel brush*
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Swell. Time to send another pithy note to BOR.
Knucklehead on November 23, 2009 at 8:38 PM
A couple weeks ago it was Palin who was supposedly all for third parties – according to AP. Then she said the exact opposite and it suddenly stopped being the daily meme. Now he’s trying to see if it will stick on Beck. Next week …
Ronnie on November 23, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Don’t worry. They’ve been in a completely sterile environment. And untouched by any human. Or at the least any woman, obviously.
Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 8:44 PM
I’m going to stop drinking. LMAO!
HornetSting on November 23, 2009 at 8:45 PM
I watch Beck almost every night and he’s done some really good things and made some excellent points but I could always sense a part of him who would eventually get to the point where “it’s all about the Beck”. I think we’re just about there. He certainly seems to be at least, flirting heavily with the 3rd party (revolving around him) idea. This would be a disaster and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and insure enough political power long enough for the Dems to finish their plans. Glenn, take a breath and THINK about what you’re about to do. Do you want to succeed or do you want the ego trip? I don’t think the two lead in the same direction.
jnelchef on November 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM
I don’t believe Glenn Beck is burying the two parties. I believe he’s nothing they are nailing shut their own coffins.
That was my take.
Oink on November 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Beck means what he says. Don’t make the mistake of not taking seriously what he says. Both party’s must be held accountable.
True_King on November 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM
SPOT F’ING ON!
Talon on November 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Levin is the biggest sour puss on radio, and I only wish that he were as smart as he wants everyone to think he is. Anyway, I am glad that he constanty listens to Beck, maybe the little genius will learn something.
mobydutch on November 23, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Beck has found the money tree. Conservatives are it’s fertilizer.
Decider on November 23, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Lets not jump to conclusions.
Itchee Dryback on November 23, 2009 at 9:11 PM
IF anyone watched Beck’s CNN show you would know that he started to sour on the GOP when he couldn’t get anyone from the GOP to speak out about what seemed to be Bush administration corruption vis a vis the Mexican border and all kind of bizarre government action occuring with things like the two Border guards who were sent to jail… the consular cards and other things.
VinceP1974 on November 23, 2009 at 9:14 PM
I think I will participate in the DC rally and maybe even attend one of the seminars. I’m all for Beck stirring things up. I don’t think he is dumb enough to try to be a Presidential candidate and I’m guessing his support would evaporate overnight if he tried it.
I think Palin could be a good President if she had a working majority in the House and Senate. The most important thing to do right now is to work on winning back the House and/or the Senate. At a minimum we have to make sure the Democrats lose their filibuster proof majorities in the 2010 elections.
We have to make sure that if Obama is somehow reelected in 2012, we have a House and Senate that can stop him.
huckleberryfriend on November 23, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Oprah VP 2012 (is that why she’s leaving?)
faraway on November 23, 2009 at 9:22 PM
I like Beck, but if he seriously goes third party on me, he loses me. The only way The One wins is another Perot joins the race. Look for the libs/left to begin encouraging this. In fact, if Beck starts getting serious about third party, look for him to start getting positive press in the state run media.
pearson on November 23, 2009 at 9:23 PM
I think those that rely on the TV show alone tend to misunderstand Beck. The left uses Acorn & the unions to fight their battles.
Transcript from his radio show today. GLENN: “Well, where is the bottom for the Republicans and the Democrats? Where is their bottom? They don’t fear their political death. They don’t fear the party’s demise. Well, they need to. And if they don’t wake up, if they don’t go back and look for the stakes of that tent and the principles of those tents, if they don’t look back for the principles and the values of our Constitution, they should be destroyed! We’re not destroying them; they’re destroying themselves. We’re trying to save ya. But nobody can save an alcoholic from himself. He’s got to turn the corner himself. So we’re not waiting for them. You want to come, you want to wake up and join us? The best thing you can do is join us because you already have the structure! Until that time we’re going to build the structure.”
njpat on November 23, 2009 at 9:28 PM
I really, really like Glenn for all the good he’s done, but hate the “both parties are the same” nonsense. They are not. If Glenn goes down the third party road come election time and Obama gets re-elected, the nail will be in Glenn’s coffin.
redridinghood on November 23, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Get on his newsletter….you can get the transcripts, it sheds a lot of light.
njpat on November 23, 2009 at 9:37 PM
I second that. How many Republicans in the Senate voted to start the health care debate? Zero. How many Dems in the Senate voted against starting the health care debate? Zero. How can any rational person say they are the same?
pearson on November 23, 2009 at 9:37 PM
You have to understand it in context. He is against the “Progressives” in both parties and he says they have taken over the Democratic party, but there are some in the Republican party. He’s looking for honest politicians. That is Beck’s point.
njpat on November 23, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Beck is wrong on this one. Simply look at the House and Senate votes on health care.
pearson on November 23, 2009 at 9:43 PM
People really don’t get Glenn. It’s not “all” politics with him.
froginthesky on November 23, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Really? What about the TARP? That was the beginning of our problems.
njpat on November 23, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Which is fine, as long as he is not going to try to spark some third party movement. Clearly, the progressives dominate the Dems (they ARE progressive) and the GOP has let some in the door. The solution is to replace as many progressives as possible in the GOP, which is a very reachable goal.
pearson on November 23, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Uh, oh.
“This video has been removed by the user.”
Feedie on November 23, 2009 at 9:48 PM
I think Beck has a point here. Come on you guys know there wouldn’t be that much of a difference if McCain was president on social issues. He’s for amnesty just like the dems. Glenn’s point is the dems do it all at once, the republicans do it bit by bit. I know it’s mostly the RINO’s but hey if the dems didn’t bribe their senators to vote on this crap health care, you know they would of bribed Snowe. This is what I thought Glenn was talking about today. Dems will push it all through at once. The repubs just do it here and there. We will eventually get to the same point, too much government in our lives.
Brat4life on November 23, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Yep, they all went into full blown panic mode. But I fail to see how anyone can ignore the GOP votes with Porkulus, health care, and cap-n-tax since Obama has become president. Our only hope is to get the GOP back in power with a conservative mandate. Conservative elect them, take over the party, and thus are owed. If they drop the ball then, then, and only then, is third party a possible solution.
pearson on November 23, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Yep, one freakin’ senator from Maine. And if it wasn’t Snowe, it would be a lib Democrat who wouldn’t even have to be bribed.
pearson on November 23, 2009 at 9:53 PM
That is why I think that the radio show helps people understand his point. The first quote from Beck that I posted above pretty much explains it.
Beck thinks it would be easier to clean up the Republican party because there are less progressives there, but they’ve got to fear too. What people aren’t talking about is that the Dems are breaking up. The ones that will be left standing with Obama will be the 20% that consider themselves “liberal” and some that are completely asleep or ignorant and the foot soldiers (Acorn & the unions.) Beck is hoping to create a counter to that.
njpat on November 23, 2009 at 9:58 PM
I seriously think Glenn Beck wants people (especially the Republicans) to get real about their principles. The Republicans owned both Houses of Congress, and what did they do? They SQUANDERED everything because they did not have CORE principles. Do we really want to go through this again? We can fight like dogs to win back the Congress, but what will we do when that happens? Will the Republicans be content, again, or will they really, really put America first?
mobydutch on November 23, 2009 at 9:59 PM
A Third Party could be done but it’s not going to be easy. One of the major things that Ross Perot did wrong was not starting the movement at the bottom. Sure, Ross got over 15% of the vote, no small feat, but once he pulled out, there was nothing left.
If Beck shows signs of doing it right, I’d love to see it happen. Basically, he has to get people involved that can say, “I’m a Republican who supports Glenn Beck. I’ve taken the test and passed with flying colors.” and they run seperately. They also vote that way, in Congress, and become independent of the existing party structure, organizing with groups of people who support Beck. If the Senate and the House become a 3 party body, there will have to be changes made because nothing will pass without including the 3rd party. It could take years to get to this stage and a 3rd party can’t afford to include extremists.
If anyone, Beck included, thinks this is easy, they have another thing coming. One thing that Beck has, that Perot didn’t, was a better communications network. He’s on radio, on television, has a website, and he has viewers. You’ll know if he’s successful if he has more or less viewers, when he starts pushing this stuff.
bflat879 on November 23, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Actually, she’s been doing it for years…only she’s done it in measured boil-the-frog incrementalism starting with AGW, and culminating in her becoming comfortable enough to foist The Won on us. Hence, her ratings tanking, hence ending the show in 2011. I love the marketplace of ideas.
Jorge Bonilla on November 23, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Fix the link. What else do you have to do? Go on an imaginary date? Wash your hair?
rinohumper on November 23, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Hmmmmmmm…… I will pick on my own state, in my own congressional district.
John McCain (R-AZ) – McCain-Feingold. Maverick thinks the 1st Amendment is over rated and could use a little constraint. He is a statist.
John Kyl (R-AZ) – lookup Hein Hettinga & Shamrock Farms in conjunction w/ Kyl. John thinks the free market is over rated. He is a statist.
Jeff Flake (R-AZ) – Jeff didn’t like the Cap & Trade bill Pelosi and Reid are shoving … so he wrote his own. He seems to favor the flat tax approach to ftyranny.
Have you witnessed ANY republican argue that these recent proposals
– are not Constitutional?
– are Marxist/Socialist in nature?
– are wealth redistributions schemes?
I haven’t. No I have listened to republican after republican offer their own plan for the above. Like little lapdogs begging at the table telling Nancy and Harry that the measures as proposed aren’t ‘cost effective’. Not cost effective.
Not that what is being proposed is illegal, Marxist, a ponzi scheme, or wealth re-distribution mechanisms bent on destroying this nation.
Moreover, they play the FUD card telling me there are no options left. Bend over and take it.
There are options remaining, but none have the cajones to pipe up. They are scared little men and women looking for shelter in the current administration.
They are the same color. Different shades. Same color.
We can go from state to state and find the R’s are the same color as the D’s, cut from the same cloth.
AZ_Redneck on November 23, 2009 at 10:29 PM
I hear a lot of folk raising a Beck third party etc. I haven’t heard him address that question, but I’ve been at work during his program lately. Has he addressed this issue at all to his audience of late? Just wonderin.
Ozprey on November 23, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Did Glenn Beck call the senator from Louisiana an expensive hooker?
Scranton on November 23, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Expensive hooker! Yeah, but we are paying a lifetime for her.
Vince on November 23, 2009 at 10:42 PM
4 of the cap and traders were Republicans from my state – NJ. And they happen to get funding from unions.
njpat on November 23, 2009 at 10:45 PM
No. He has only talked about the corruption and possible demise of the current parties. But for some reason some people here want to interpret that as a call for a third party. Doesn’t surprise me.
Deanna on November 23, 2009 at 10:53 PM
No one says the GOP is perfect. But why haven’t you elected someone who will publicly exclaim the recent proposals are are not Constitutional? are Marxist/Socialist in nature? are wealth redistributions schemes? If you can’t elect a single third party Congress critter in Arizona, why in the world would you think it can be done on a national level?
BTW, did any of those three vote for Obamacare?
pearson on November 23, 2009 at 11:17 PM
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