Rasmussen: ObamaCare support plunges to new low

posted at 9:30 am on November 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The more people see of ObamaCare and the way Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have to force it through Congress, the less they like it.  Rasmussen’s latest survey on the legislation shows support for the bill reaching its nadir, 38%, with an 18-point deficit from public opposition,  which is 56%.  It’s the first time in Rasmussen’s surveys of likely voters that support for Barack Obama’s signature agenda item has dropped below 40%:

Just 38% of voters now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s the lowest level of support measured for the plan in nearly two dozen tracking polls conducted since June.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% now oppose the plan.

Half the survey was conducted before the Senate voted late Saturday to begin debate on its version of the legislation. Support for the plan was slightly lower in the half of the survey conducted after the Senate vote.

Prior to this, support for the plan had never fallen below 41%. Last week, support for the plan was at 47%. Two weeks ago, the effort was supported by 45% of voters.

The spread against ObamaCare jumped significantly in the last week, as Harry Reid prepared his version for the Senate. It went from -2%, within the margin of error, to -18%, the largest gap between supporters and opponents.  The previous high had been 15 points at the end of September, with opposition peaked at the current 56%.  The new gap suggests that more core supporters have begun to fall by the wayside.

The big takeaway from the internals is, as always, independent voters.  They are looking a lot more like Republicans on this issue.  Where Republican voters oppose ObamaCare 83/13, independents aren’t far behind at 70/23.  Self-described moderates have fled as well, opposing ObamaCare by almost exactly the overall topline, 55/39.

Majorities of both men (61%) and women (52%) among likely voters now oppose ObamaCare.  Every age demographic except 18-29 year olds oppose it by majorities ranging from 58% to 65%. Every income demographic except the under-$20K group opposes it by a majority, even the heretofore sympathetic $100K+ demo, which opposes it 58/41 — with 50% strongly opposed.

The Democrats are looking at an electoral meltdown next year if they push this bill through Congress.  The more people see it, and the more they see the way Reid, Pelosi, and Obama are attempting to stuff it down their throats, the more they dislike it.


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I wonder if that group is aware of the burden it will place on them?

OBQuiet on November 23, 2009 at 9:39 AM

18-29 year-olds have been bought off. In one of the bills, they can remain on mom and dad’s plan until age 27.

For cryin’ out loud, I can see age 25 or 26 if you’re a full-time grad student (law school or med school), but age 27 as a general rule.

Cut the cord!

BuckeyeSam on November 23, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Does anyone else find it amusing to see the photo of the Three Stooges standing behind a podium with a sign stating:

“Honest Leadership

Open Government”.

Seems consistent with the model of not allowing anyone to study a 2000 page ill before trying to push it through for “debate” on a Saturday evening – all while the state-run media attempt to run interference by vomiting stories critiquing Palin’s new book and associated tour.

Its no wonder that heads of state of our allies are nervous, and those of our enemies are licking their chops.

Apparently they don’t know much about history – particularly as related to Benito Mussolini and Nicolae Ceauşescu…

Danny on November 23, 2009 at 10:52 AM

18-29 year-olds have been bought off. In one of the bills, they can remain on mom and dad’s plan until age 27.

BuckeyeSam on November 23, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Unfortunately, this is true.

Although a good many of us fall into the category ‘all dressed up and no place to go’…to work that is.

Even seasonal Christmas jobs are a joke now. Callback promises are lies to your face, and applying has degenerated into an exercise in spouting the right corporate buzzwords and kissing enough butt.

Dark-Star on November 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Seems consistent with the model of not allowing anyone to study a 2000 page ill before trying to push it through for “debate” on a Saturday evening

But soon they will leave for Thanksgiving.

Thanksgiving, ’tis the season to kill turkeys.

Let’s READ this big fat HarryCare turkey, and kill it!!!

Steve Z on November 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM

The thing that worries me the most short term is that some fool will assassinate a Congressman, giving Dear Leader an excuse to turn down the screws on us all.

a capella on November 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM

I appreciate the sentiment some of you have on ‘cloture’ and holding out hope for a SCOTUS challenge – but this is a done deal.

This is why the polls, as heartening as they are, don’t matter. There are some Dems already saying they don;t care if they re-elected, which is really the only pressure the electorate has anymore.

Someone affected by the legislation would have to bring the case up by filing suit – and how long would it take to get to the SCOTUS anyway? By the time it did, the stuff would be in place.

Once this is finally signed – that’s it. The Repubs aren’t going to repeal it, they won’t have the votes anyway. There certainly isn’t enough to override a Presidential veto, even a few years down the road.

I suppose there is still a small chance this gets killed, but the real vote was last weekend. Yeah, they have to get ‘cloture’ to end debate, but how long could the Repubs hold that off.

As we saw last weekend, certain pols have no principles – they can be bought, paid for and then turn around and hold fundraisers for the guy holding the purse strings.

Yeah, I’m being a bit disheartening, but this is the reality. Obamacare is going to get passed and signed. The only real question is – what are we going to do then?

catmman on November 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Yeah, I’m being a bit disheartening, but this is the reality. Obamacare is going to get passed and signed. The only real question is – what are we going to do then?

catmman on November 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Emigration, black-market dealings and rebellion are all on the table.

Dark-Star on November 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM

“…of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. ”

Abraham Lincoln – November 19, 1863

Perished.

kurtzz3 on November 23, 2009 at 11:01 AM

None of this matters to Obowma, he wants his name in history and this is his chosen path.

I believe he now understands his limitations and this will be the single item he wants history to point to.

No matter to him that it is wrong, not supported and sure to be changed substantially before enacted and even before he leaves office.

FireBlogger on November 23, 2009 at 11:01 AM

BTW: What did anyone think of last night’s 60 Minutes segment on end-of-life care?

At first, I questioned the timing (and probably still do). I also worried that it would be too pro-Obamacare. In the end, the anecdotal stories were so muddled that it’s difficult to see any message other than we’re spending too much on end-of-life care. The thing is that the anecdotal stories were so extreme, you’d have to conclude that before undertaking Obamacare, let’s have a serious national discussion about end-of-life matters. Two of the cases noted could have largely been resolved by the family aggressively seeking to enforce the wishes of the family member that were expressed in a living will. One woman unbelievably stood by while her mother was subjected to care by 25 specialists. WTF? We don’t need Obamacare to solve that. Get a grip lady and tell the hospital to pull the plug on mom.

One really good part of the segment is that one authority was interviewed who said that a large part of the problem is that patients and their families aren’t seeing the bills for these expenses. That highlights the perversity of the situation. And Obamacare’s solution is to create Death Panels to prescribe limits on care. No way. Create a reasonable system of insurance that puts some amount of responsibility for the cost of end-of-life care on the families. Then, you’ll start to see families doing the wise thing for their families.

BuckeyeSam on November 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM

All you ladies had better schedule your pap smears and mammograms. Now.

OmahaConservative on November 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM

All you ladies had better schedule your pap smears and mammograms. Now.

OmahaConservative on November 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM

That’s another thing people are missing. Right now, let’s say you want a mammogram even though the recommendations are for you to start at 40, but let’s say you’re 35. Right now, you can get it. But when the government takes over, you won’t be ALLOWED to get it because their “experts” know you’re not supposed to until whatever age they have set. And there are so many factors that play into an individual’s choice to have a mammogram–family history, risk factors, etc.

The government wants to create a one-size-fits all plan. Health care doesn’t work like that.

UnderstandingisPower on November 23, 2009 at 11:11 AM

This is why the polls, as heartening as they are, don’t matter. There are some Dems already saying they don’t care if they are re-elected, which is really the only pressure the electorate has anymore.

catmman on November 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM

They may say it but how many of our “lifetime” senators would really mean it? I would say very few. I an not sure that Harry and company have the tools to “bribe” all the potential votes against bringing this to a vote and it probably only takes one.

duff65 on November 23, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Ironic that the youth don’t oppose it so much. They would be the ones screwed the most.

Silly kids.

WannabeAnglican on November 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM

On the poll numbers themselves, 56% negative and 38% positive, means that 6% could easily shift negative as we flounder through an unhappy holidays. Face it, there’s no joy in Mudville these days. Dems will look like hyenas when they pat themselves on the backs for passing this nonsense.

More important, looking at the 38%, 13% represents black support that I suspect he’ll never lose. Not sure about Hispanice support on this for him; some may flee. I think through the unhappy Holidays the 38% goes to about 32-33% and will stay there, consisting of blacks, and Kool-Aid drinking Hispanics and whites. He’ll never go under 30% no matter how bad it gets.

BuckeyeSam on November 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Unfortunately, there are about 280 people in DC that think Obamacare is OK. And that’s all that is going to matter.

Bobbertsan on November 23, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Unfortunately, there are about 280 people in DC that think Obamacare is OK. And that’s all that is going to matter.

Bobbertsan on November 23, 2009 at 11:19 AM

That number is going to shrink dramatically, come Election Day 2010.

UltimateBob on November 23, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Ironic that the youth don’t oppose it so much. They would be the ones screwed the most.

Silly kids.

WannabeAnglican on November 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM

They haven’t been mugged by reality just yet.

UltimateBob on November 23, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Rasmussen today:

Obama 46/53

BPD on November 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM

1. The GOP would have to have 60 senators. No way that’s even remotely possible.

2. Even with 60, Obama would never sign it.

3. Even with 60, you have to figure a few RINOs would vote not to repeal.

No, this thing is a done deal and it’s never being undone.

angryed on November 23, 2009 at 9:43 AM

However, if passed, with a Republican president, 60+ senators and a majority of the House, it could get amended enough to be quite tolerable, even with moderate Republicans preventing a complete repeal.

Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM

The dumb kids are too busy protesting tuition hikes. How stupid that they can’t see the forest for the trees.

bloggless on November 23, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Ha! Laura Ingraham is doing a separated-at-birth segment with Ben Nelson and Floyd the barber from Andy Griffith. Perfect.

OmahaConservative on November 23, 2009 at 11:31 AM

All you ladies had better schedule your pap smears and mammograms. Now.

OmahaConservative on November 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM

I’m sort of mystified by this issue. Our insurance has never covered routine mammograms and annual pap smears. I’ve been paying for them out of pocket for as long as my wife has been getting them. It’s like an annual expense that I put into my budget. Similar to home and auto insurance and real estate taxes. The tests are not that expensive to begin with. Are a significant number of women covered by insurance policies that do cover these services?

Oldnuke on November 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Rasmussen today:

Obama 46/53

BPD on November 23, 2009 at 11:25 AM

If unemployment goes up in December, he could definitely hit the low 40′s before 2010. That would cap a disastrous first year in office.

Doughboy on November 23, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Ben Nelson, enjoy your last term as senator.

OmahaConservative on November 23, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Evan Bayh…your constituents are calling…

SouthernGent on November 23, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Can I add….bye-bye Harry and Babs (Boxer)

Rovin on November 23, 2009 at 9:51 AM

And Bennet of Colorado, Dodd of Connecticut, any Democrat for Illinois, Specter of Pennsylvania.

We need to take 29 of 36 Senate seats in play to flip the Senate. I’m thinking we may be at 24 now. We need 5 more.

Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 11:33 AM

democrats?..hello? r u listening? yer party will become extinct in 2010 & 2012 after you pass this bill and try KSM in civilian court.

moonbatkiller on November 23, 2009 at 9:34 AM

The Dem party will never be extinct because if the fantastic memory of the American voter which has the memory capacity equivalency to that of a dead elephant.

larvcom on November 23, 2009 at 11:33 AM

I know women who think that their quality healthcare will not be affected by Obamacare because they think that as long as they can pay for it out of pocket, it will be available to them. They are stupid. They do not get it. It won’t be available to them if they do not meet the government guidelines, regardless of their ability to pay. Of course there will be two seperate healthcare delivery systems. One for the elites and one for the rest of us. These libby women just don’t get it yet. They think they are part of the elite system, but they will not be.

bloggless on November 23, 2009 at 11:34 AM

If unemployment goes up in December, he could definitely hit the low 40’s before 2010. That would cap a disastrous first year in office.

Doughboy on November 23, 2009 at 11:33 AM

I’m hopeful that we will have a bill as a Christmas present for the American people.

— Nancy

Indeed.

Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 11:35 AM

In the double standards department:

“The apartment was small, with slanting floors and irregular heat and a buzzer downstairs that didn’t work, so that visitors had to call ahead from a pay phone at the corner gas station, where a black Doberman the size of a wolf paced through the night in vigilant patrol, its jaws clamped around an empty beer bottle.”

Let’s get Professor Barack Obama to correct Sarah Palin’s poor writing… I mean he was editor of Harvard Law Review, so he knows how to write well. The Slate commentators let loose on the Palin.

Oh wait, that badly written line above was actually written by Barack Obama*!

* In President Obama’s defense he did release a statement that the line in question was acutally Bill Ayers’.

Mr. Joe on November 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM

I don’t think these kids understand it very well. They couldn’t possibly since they havn’t figured out that it’s they who’ll be taxed into oblivion. It’s this age group that doesn’t often have health care and cannot look forward to getting jobs that offer it. I guess this is their reasoning. These folks know that they may the first generation who’s opportunities will be limited…yet they seem to persist in favoring the very Party that’s limiting them.

jeanie on November 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM

His balloon-boy like ride is over folks. Truth be told he never left the ground. It was all an illusion.

Geochelone on November 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM

They haven’t been mugged by reality just yet.

UltimateBob on November 23, 2009 at 11:24 AM

The ones that still don’t care or actually cheer ObamaCare, that’s pretty much true.

Most of us also can’t make the connection with federal screwups and the resulting disaster ‘on the ground’.

Dark-Star on November 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM

38% That’s almost enough to be unable to stop a constitutional amendment – (take your pick)

Don L on November 23, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Like they care. It will pass.

The Senate’s Health-Care Act
For Democratic ‘moderates,’ the political play is the thing.

Voters can expect more such faux drama as the debate proceeds on the Senate floor. Nebraska’s Ben Nelson will insist on some compromise on abortion coverage, and the National Right to Life Committee will declare a great victory—never mind the rationing the bill will guarantee for the sick and aged. Evan Bayh of Indiana will fight to reduce taxes on medical devices, even as the overall bill guarantees a far higher tax burden on the entire U.S. economy.

Americans shouldn’t be fooled by this play-acting.

The US is bankrupt. The Democrats’ “reform” has nothing to do with “helping people” and everything to do with funding Ponzi Government for a little while longer. (Wresting control over our most private lives is a bonus.) This way, the Craven Criminals on Capitol Hill will have another entitlement program to rob. Why else would the “funding” be immediate and the “benefits” not come until 2013? I guess children dying in the streets from “lack of access to medical care” and “families going bankrupt due to medical bills” is A-OK for a few more years!

Progressive voters (aka useful idiots) pushing for this are being played for fools. Samo samo!

Rae on November 23, 2009 at 11:57 AM

The Democrats are looking at an electoral meltdown next year if they push this bill through Congress.

Not to worry Juan McCain and his mistress Lindsay Grahamnasty will come to the Dems rescue by passing Amnesty and Free Healthcare and Voting Rights for all who can sneak into the US and they will save the hides of the vermin.

Vote em all out! All but the ones who voted against TARP, Stimulaloosa, HealthScare and Cap and Tax!
A very short list I might add!
Goin Rogue with Sarah to drain the swamp and clean the cesspool!

dhunter on November 23, 2009 at 12:01 PM

The Statists in the National Socialist Democrat Party don’t seem to care about their poll ratings.

They seem be evolving a politically bulletproof mentality, can they be this dense not to see the country turning against them or do they have some other getting around the voters?

What’s to stop them from granting voting rights to the invasion of illegals across the border to maintain their power?

Fake8 on November 23, 2009 at 12:01 PM

duff65 on November 23, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Reid did it once, he can do it again.

How many Senators say they don’t care if their re-elected mean it? Does it matter? They are already acting as if they don’t care – they certainly don’t care what the electorate is saying now as judged by their current actions – which is why these polls, though good and all – don’t mean jack.

This whole episode demonstrates completely how the electorate doesn’t matter anymore. Oh, they’ll matter in a few months when the re-election campaigns start, but only to a few Senators – and then it will be a matter of buying the votes they need to get back to Washington. How many people truly care anymore? It’s only about what the pols can “give me” – gimme, gimme, gimme. Like those idiots in Detroit praising Obama for ‘gving them’ some ‘free money’. The whores of the electorate are even cheaper than the Landrieu types in DC.

The electorate that cares is saying and demonstrating, calling, e-mailing, protesting, even rallying in Washington – and yet the Senators continue with their arrogance and elitism as if we aren’t even here. Indeed, they condemn, castigate and insult us – the ones they are supposed to be representing.

Throwing the bums out will only be a start – a good one, but just a start. As I said earlier though, it will come to late to stop Obamacare.

catmman on November 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM

OBQuiet on November 23, 2009 at 9:39 AM

18-29 year-olds have been bought off. In one of the bills, they can remain on mom and dad’s plan until age 27.

For cryin’ out loud, I can see age 25 or 26 if you’re a full-time grad student (law school or med school), but age 27 as a general rule.

My MIL is all for this bill. My wife is against it on principle but she says it’s not as bad as you think it will be.

Why?

Because my slacker BIL who is 25 has no insurance. Why does he have no insurance? Because he dropped out of college after 1 semester and has been spending the last 5 years of his life getting stoned and working at minimum wage jobs while mommy and daddy string him along with monthly checks to help him out.

And this bill will give him insurance and so it is needed to help out poor people like him because it’s so unfair he can’t afford insurance on his crappy $8 an hour job.

If I ask my MIL or wife, hey how about instead he gets his shit together, gets a real job that provides health insurance, they both look at me like I’m a crazy person.

angryed on November 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM

The theme needs to be:

Pass it and we will repeal it.

It will be lifetimes before you gain power again.

Obama will be crushed in 2012. Mickey Mouse will beat him in a landslide.

Democrats will be lucky to have 25% of the chambers.

notagool on November 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM

38… 37… 36…

35!?!?

Khun Joe on November 23, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Even if it falls to only 5% popularity the Dem’s will pass it. They are slaves to their progressive ideology. They’ve been wanting this for 100 years.

PatriotRider on November 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM

And Bennet of Colorado, Dodd of Connecticut, any Democrat for Illinois, Specter of Pennsylvania.

We need to take 29 of 36 Senate seats in play to flip the Senate. I’m thinking we may be at 24 now. We need 5 more.

Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 11:33 AM

By ‘flipping the senate’ do you mean get a republican majority, or get us just above the 40 we need to stop a huge mess like this?

Chaz706 on November 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM

If I ask my MIL or wife, hey how about instead he gets his shit together, gets a real job that provides health insurance, they both look at me like I’m a crazy person.

angryed on November 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM

This is why I’ve given up on arguing with liberals. You say something or propose something even remotely reasonable nowadays and they go batsh!t crazy on you.

Who’s the crazier one? You? Or your wife and MIL? Or even your BIL who won’t get off the drugs?

I can tell you who the sane one is. My question is, why is your idea so ‘crazy’? Whats crazier? Having a man be a ward of the state his entire life or getting off his @$$ and going to work?

Chaz706 on November 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Plus, the real jobless rate is at 17.5%, and the holidays are ahead of us…when the folks find this out his ratings will be equal to Sarah’s, 3 years early.

Schadenfreude on November 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM

By ‘flipping the senate’ do you mean get a republican majority, or get us just above the 40 we need to stop a huge mess like this?

Chaz706 on November 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I mean getting 61 republicans. I still think that is very tough. However, I am very optimistic that we will have enough Republicans to sustain a filibuster after inaugurations in January 2011, even enough conservative Republicans.

Loxodonta on November 23, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I know women who think that their quality healthcare will not be affected by Obamacare because they think that as long as they can pay for it out of pocket, it will be available to them. They are stupid. They do not get it. It won’t be available to them if they do not meet the government guidelines, regardless of their ability to pay. Of course there will be two seperate healthcare delivery systems. One for the elites and one for the rest of us. These libby women just don’t get it yet. They think they are part of the elite system, but they will not be.

bloggless on November 23, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Amen. No one seems to be looking at how the gubment is in charge of delivering the H1N1 vaccine, and they’ve failed miserably. American companies were not permitted to produce it (just foreign companies approved). Ten percent of our supply was promised to developing countries before we even began receiving the vaccine.

Now, ability to pay AND being in an at risk group doesn’t seem to make much of a difference, unless you’re a gitmo detainee. Distribution is a joke.

“The grown ups are in charge.” Mmmmm, mmmm, mmmm.

Laura in Maryland on November 23, 2009 at 1:13 PM

IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE POLLS SAY!!!!

FULL SPEED AHEAD…..because….

…the next agenda item is AMNESTY and that will legalize 30 million more VOTERS (80% of which will be Democrat entitlement voters).

Final nail in the coffin of the GOP.

PappyD61 on November 23, 2009 at 1:13 PM

IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE POLLS SAY!!!!

FULL SPEED AHEAD…..because….

…the next agenda item is AMNESTY and that will legalize 30 million more VOTERS (80% of which will be Democrat entitlement voters).

Final nail in the coffin of the GOP Republic.

PappyD61 on November 23, 2009 at 1:13 PM

FIFY, and I fear you may be right.

Laura in Maryland on November 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM

angryed on November 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM

How in the hell did you manage to marry a liberal?
No offense, I’m sure you love your wife very much.
But I know I could never personally be married to a man who spewed stuff like that. Unless he was rich or I was getting something else that was great-but that could only go so far for me, at least.
Totally crazy.
Hope your wife & MIL wake up from the nightmare that your BIL seems to be.

Badger40 on November 23, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Landrieu should be forced to share the $300 Billion with Houston, Tx; where Katrina evacuees fled to in droves.

TN Mom on November 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Agreed!

yoda on November 23, 2009 at 1:36 PM

So far, I’ve only heard Lieberman clearly articulate some of the specifics of the Senate version that people can grasp.

I don’t understand why more GOP aren’t discussing the specifics.

AnninCA on November 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Now we’re starting to weed out those with common sense who see what this bill will do to this country to those who are “takers” and don’t care one way or another about anyone but themselves.

rollthedice on November 23, 2009 at 2:09 PM

How in the hell did you manage to marry a liberal?
No offense, I’m sure you love your wife very much.
But I know I could never personally be married to a man who spewed stuff like that. Unless he was rich or I was getting something else that was great-but that could only go so far for me, at least.
Totally crazy.
Hope your wife & MIL wake up from the nightmare that your BIL seems to be.

Badger40 on November 23, 2009 at 1:31 PM

She’s not a lib. She’s apolitical more than anything. Like I said initially she is opposed to ObamaCare on the whole, just thinks if it does happen, it will help her brother out so it’s not that bad. Her parents are raging liberals.

My BIL is a good kid, just doesn’t have his head on straight. And my in-laws are doing to him what Dems have done to millions of poor people for 50 years. Instead of saying kiddo, you’re on your own, they basically pay for his living. He has no incentive to straighten up because he knows mom and dad will be there to bail his ass out. He totaled his car not too long ago. What did the parents do? They bought him a new car, they pay for his car insurance too.

angryed on November 23, 2009 at 2:12 PM

The big takeaway from the internals is, as always, independent voters. They are looking a lot more like Republicans on this issue.

To me, Independent voters = no core values; blows with the wind. They’re the biggest reason we’re in this mess. It pisses me off that we have to “court” them. They’re fence sitters. If you talk to an “independent,” you’ll find that they can tell you about every contestant on Americna Idol, but give you a blank stare if you ask them to name even a few Supreme Court justices, or ask who is Nancy Pelosi. They seem to vote based on who has the briefest and catchiest, talking point. aarghh – a plague on all their houses.

SoldiersMom on November 23, 2009 at 3:01 PM

The under $20K just assume they will get enough subsidies to help them pay for it, if and when they find out they will have to pay for this coverage, they will not want it.

Terrye on November 23, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Yeah, I’m being a bit disheartening, but this is the reality. Obamacare is going to get passed and signed. The only real question is – what are we going to do then?
catmman on November 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM

I’m sure you see yourself as a realist. What you are is an appeaser.

I disagree that passage is a foregone conclusion. There are several hurdles left, and Harry has to hold every single Democrat, all we need is one. Abortion will also be revisited, endangering passage by the house.

If it passes, we work to repeal it. Period. Start now (a la Ramesh Ponnuru) and make sure Democrats know that even when it’s over, it won’t be over.

applebutter on November 23, 2009 at 3:11 PM

To me, Independent voters = no core values; blows with the wind. They’re the biggest reason we’re in this mess.

Oh, I almost forgot, the most important criteria for identifying an independent, their most trusted news source is John Stewart. I mean, if you HAVE to pretend to stay informed, you should, at least, be entertained by it.

SoldiersMom on November 23, 2009 at 3:16 PM

It makes no diff what the polls say,,,,,,,,They are going to pass this[no, force] this down the American throat. They know this is going to be their best shot at all their wet dreams and are willing to fall on their swords /not get reelected in order to “win”. This has nothing to do with healthcare,,,this is strictly control of the populace. The 60s and 70s radicals and dupes are running the country off the cliff,,I am afraid it cannot be stopped without some people getting hurt.

retiredeagle on November 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Like angryed, I have a non-political spouse, who thinks I’m a ‘right-wing extremist’. He thinks CNN is a decent news source. I have toned back, and rather than speak honestly about my feelings, have begun educating and explaining about politics in small doses, never talking down because he’s smart. He thinks about it.

It would be nice to have somebody to rant to. I just hope I can get him to vote, and vote the right way.

jodetoad on November 23, 2009 at 3:42 PM

applebutter on November 23, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Look, you go ahead and keep fooling yourself about how this isn’t a foregone conclusion. I might agree that there may be the slightest of chances this doesn’t get passed – but show me how it won’t.

This needed to be stopped last week, it wasn’t. The Dems have resorted to every trick in the book and they will continue to do so. Political whores like Landrieu show no price is to high to prostrate themselves for the Dems ideology and that pissants like Reid don’t care about principle or conviction, but bribery. If this monstrosity were so damned good for the country, why does he have to buy the votes for it?!

Show me the much ballyhooed ‘moderate Dems’ we were relying on to stop this? Show the much vaunted ‘Blue Dogs’ in the House who stopped their version from going through? Even Lieberman voted to allow this monstrosity through – ‘Independent’, huh? BTW, he’s such a friend or moderate – what’s his stance on cap and trade again?

You tell me how we can stop it. Nothing – NOTHING – done by the electorate to stop this up until now has done a damn bit of good. You may say it has – show me. Where are we today? Closer to this being passed or further away.

I’m not an appeaser, but I’m also not a fool. You know, you can call me anything you want. This is a comment thread where people are encouraged to express their viewpoint – I have done so. That doesn’t make me an appeaser. It simply makes me pissed off that you want to expend energy calling me names.

Repeal? Are you serious? Have we repealed Medicare? Welfare? Have we repealed anything significant from ‘The Great Society’? How long do you think it would take to repeal this? How many Senators and Congressman would we need for that – not to mention a conservative in the WH? You’re deluding yourself if you think repealing this is a viable strategy.

Being pissed we couldn’t get this stopped hardly makes me an appeaser – it makes me a pissed off American that we have to talk about inane strategies trying to stop something that my youngest daughter knows is bad for everyone, for the entire country.

I’m pissed and frustrated and pissed!

I just retired, 1 November, after spending 22 years in the military sacrificing and bleeding for my country – I have every right to be pissed off and expressing my frustration, even if it offends your delicate sensibilities. Frankly, if you were standing in front of me right now, I’d ask you to step outside for impugning my honor by calling me an appeaser.

*later*

You know what they say about not “writing in anger” and so forth. I didn’t mean to be overly abrasive nor melodramatic, but I will not edit my comment – I mean every damn word of it. I think I hit all the ‘Stages of Grief’ in one comment…

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poppieseeds on November 24, 2009 at 12:28 AM

Once this is finally signed – that’s it. The Repubs aren’t going to repeal it, they won’t have the votes anyway. There certainly isn’t enough to override a Presidential veto, even a few years down the road.

Not true. There are several avenues of attack. First, a Republican Congress can refuse to fund it. Second, they can peel off specific provisions one at a time in legislation and get them signed by a future Republican President. Finally, a Republican President can “downsize” whatever executive branch agencies are involved.

SunSword on November 24, 2009 at 7:00 AM

Not true. There are several avenues of attack. First, a Republican Congress can refuse to fund it. Second, they can peel off specific provisions one at a time in legislation and get them signed by a future Republican President. Finally, a Republican President can “downsize” whatever executive branch agencies are involved.

SunSword on November 24, 2009 at 7:00 AM

All Repubs and Conservatives should run on this issue, but they have a lot of ammo to run on anyway, thanks to Bo.

Nalea on November 24, 2009 at 10:47 AM

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