Obey: Tax the rich if you want troops for Afghanistan

posted at 10:55 am on November 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

If Barack Obama sends more troops to Afghanistan, it will spell the end for the progressive agenda in the US, says Rep. David Obey (D-WI).  Obey tells ABC that any increase in troops in the Af-Pak theater had better be accompanied by a surtax on the rich, or he won’t support it.  Obey also engages in some historical illiteracy to make his point:

The powerful chairman of the House Appropriations Committee has a stark message for President Obama about Afghanistan – sending more troops would be a mistake that could “wipe out every initiative we have to rebuild our own economy.”

“There ain’t going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan,” House Appropriations Chairman David Obey told ABC News in an exclusive interview. “If they ask for an increased troop commitment in Afghanistan, I am going to ask them to pay for it.” …

Obey, a Democrat from Wisconsin, made it clear that he is absolutely opposed to sending any more U.S. troops to Afghanistan and says if Obama decides to do that, he’ll demand a new tax — what he calls a “war surtax” — to pay for it.

“On the merits, I think it is a mistake to deepen our involvement,” Obey said. “But if we are going to do that, then at least we ought to pay for it. Because if we don’t, if we don’t pay for it, the cost of the Afghan war will wipe out every initiative we have to rebuild our own economy.”

If this sounds more like an excuse to tax the rich than to achieve fiscal discipline, you’re probably recalling Obey’s role in the $787 billion Porkulus disaster.  When Obey pushed that bill, he didn’t have any concerns about the “stupid” decisions that would be done with the money, or whether Congress had any control over how the money got spent.  “So what?” was Obey’s response to NPR.

Obey tells ABC that wars always end progressive agendas:

Such a high war cost, he warns, will make it impossible to pay for any of Obama’s major domestic initiatives.

“That’s what happened with the Vietnam War, which wiped out [President Lyndon Johnson's social program] the Great Society,” Obey said. “That’s what happened with the Korean War, which wiped out Harry Truman’s Square Deal. That’s what happened with the end of the progressive movement before the ’20s when we went into World War I. In each case, the cost of those wars shut off our ability to pay for anything else.”

There is so much foolishness in this statement that’s almost impossible to unpack it all.  But I’ll try:

  • So far, Obey and his Democratic allies haven’t shown how they will pay for Obama’s domestic initiatives now, even without any further war funding.  Every single program they’ve proposed will add to the deficit, including Obey’s Porkulus bill.
  • The Great Society programs didn’t end with the Vietnam War.  We still have them around, especially Medicare, which has grown massively since LBJ.  We only curtailed LBJ’s welfare program in the mid-90s because of its stultifying effects and runaway costs, and we weren’t in a shooting war when we did it.  What program does Obey think got cut from LBJ’s agenda?
  • We went into World War I in 1917, and came out in 1919.  “Before the ’20s” sounds as though Obey thinks the war was in that decade, but even without that, the progressive agenda had plenty of time (and prosperity) in that decade to succeed if people wanted it.  It died of its own accord, not because of war.
  • And for that matter, did World War II end the New Deal?  We still have FDR’s stamp all over federal government.

If we choose to pursue a more aggressive strategy in Afghanistan, it will be to protect our national security by denying radical Islamists a base in that region with which to launch more attacks against the US.  The federal government has a constitutional duty to act in the national defense.  It does not have a constitutional duty to reorder the American economy, and in fact doesn’t have the authority or jurisdiction to do it anyway.  Obey’s progressive agenda has much less legitimacy than the pursuit of America’s enemies by America’s military.

Of course, when it comes to the Constitution, Obey says … “So what?”

Update: World War I, not II.


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You will Obey.

RobCon on November 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM

““There ain’t going to be no money for nothing”
Rep. Obey is getting all street with his bad ass.

RobCon on November 23, 2009 at 10:58 AM

The cost of the Afghan mission is what 5%, 7% of the budget? Probably less. It’s much smaller per year than the proposed Health Care Deform program now being debated.

Yet as always, to a liberal, the only reason we have a deficit, is because we spend to much on the military.

MarkTheGreat on November 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM

I do agree the war needs to be funded properly. That absolutely didn’t help the country to not do so under Bush.

Let’s correct course.

AnninCA on November 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM

“There ain’t going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan,” House Appropriations Chairman David Obey told ABC News…

He lost me on any kind of debate there…I would be ashamed to be quoted as such. RNC–good attack ad material!!!

lovingmyUSA on November 23, 2009 at 11:01 AM

National security vs domestic entitlements? A no brainer for Obey.

a capella on November 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I hope Sean Duffy kicks this guys butt next year.

sammypants on November 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM

There ain’t going to be no money for nothing”

Rep. Obey is getting all street with his bad ass.

RobCon on November 23, 2009 at 10:58 AM

I’m hoping he was making a very subtle case for an increase in Education finding, but Occam’s Razor would suggest he’s just an idiot.

trubble on November 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Pathetic!

What gets me is that he also said this: “wipe out every initiative we have to rebuild our own economy.”

We don’t need to “rebuild” our economy, we need to strengthen it! Rebuilding is like whn you want to leave capitalism (that made us the richest nation in the world) and become socialists, communists, facscists, or just plan statists.

jeffn21 on November 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM

40 years in Washington. The poster child for term limits.

Mr. D on November 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM

We went into World War II in 1917, and came out in 1919.

We did? Either it’s still too early, or someone is still reeling from the Steelers’ game?

red winger on November 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM

If anyone thinks Obama will send troops to Afghanistan in any serious way … keep dreaming. He needs the money from the defense budget for a higher purpose.

I expect to see deep cuts in the pentagon before 2012 and any human resources (troops or not) sent to Afghanistan will be the prelude to a blood bath.

gh on November 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Yeah, that’s a great electoral strategery. Holding “the rich” hostage in order to send more troops to Afghanistan. And aren’t they already planning to soak “the rich”(along with everyone else) to pay for Obamacare and every other part of their domestic agenda? What exactly will the top income tax rate be when all is said and done? 50%? 60%?

Doughboy on November 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM

We went into World War II in 1917, and came out in 1919. “Before the ’20s” sounds as though Obey thinks the war was in that decade, but even without that, the progressive agenda had plenty of time (and prosperity) in that decade to succeed if people wanted it. It died of its own accord, not because of war.

Ummm… World War I was from 1914 – 1918 (11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month 1918)

Scarbarian on November 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM

(Typo alert, Ed: that’s WWI in 1917, not WWII.)

Obey is obviously part of the reality-based community.

misterpeasea on November 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM

This is all the fault of those evil war mongering Republicans. This un-necessary war that Bush got us into is all their fault. That’s why we, the good and enlightened peaceful democrats who only want what is best for this country, are being forced to raise taxes.

It’s those evil republicans whose failed economic policies have brought ruin to our economy, and we can only save ourselves by raising taxes.

/for those whose sarcasm detector is broken or lost

Skandia Recluse on November 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Did he really say “ain’t”?

A neighbor said “ain’t” the other day. Not only could I not believe my ears, I couldn’t listen to another word said.

ORconservative on November 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Let’s start with the Hollywood studios and the Hollywood actors… Follow up immediately with Barbra Streisand, Bette Midler, Cher and Bruce Springsteen…

They’ll love that…

Khun Joe on November 23, 2009 at 11:08 AM

I do agree the war needs to be funded properly. That absolutely didn’t help the country to not do so under Bush.

Let’s correct course.

AnninCA on November 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Funding was the job of Congress, not Bush, and that’s not even his argument here. Obey’s saying that we won’t have money for other programs, not that we won’t have the money for the war.

Esthier on November 23, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Obey just made a point in the press that I’ve been trying to say for a while now… Afghanistan is Obama’s Vietnam SOLELY IN THAT he’s half-*ssing the war because he wants to do a massive social program and doesn’t want to waste his political capital to fight a war correctly because of it.

As much as I hate the “every war is Vietnam!” argument, this one has a legitimate basis IMHO.

teke184 on November 23, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Estate Tax was meant to help pay for WWI and was intended to be temporary… hhhhmmm

Tax the rich and investment drops..

Obey is, as most progessives are ..an idiot

theblacksheepwasright on November 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Nothing, nothing must be allowed to derail the “progressive” agenda, not even the destruction of America — oh, wait, that is the agenda.

johnsteele on November 23, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Let’s start with Obama’s BFF Oprah. In fact, she can pay for funding our troops in Afghanistan and Stimulus Part II.

Great idea Obey!

moonsbreath on November 23, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I hope our Soldiers are not hearing this. My heart is breaking for the families of our military. How dare these inept elitest Porkers do anything less than support our Military 100%. I see Anarchy.

LSUMama on November 23, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Dear Congressman Obey,

Does “Screw You” mean anything to you? Because I’m reading your contempt for the security of the country, and the lives of American soldiers everywhere loud and clear!

Subsunk

Subsunk on November 23, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Instapundit: Eikenberry may be secretly negotiating surrender of five provinces to Taliban.

Wethal on November 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Just totally beyond comprehension.

fourdeucer on November 23, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Such a high war cost, he warns, will make it impossible to pay for any of Obama’s major domestic initiatives.

On balance I chose war.

FireBlogger on November 23, 2009 at 11:17 AM

I do agree the war needs to be funded properly. That absolutely didn’t help the country to not do so under Bush.

AnninCA on November 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM

On the other hand, there is never a need to “properly fund” the domestic programs that you do agree with.

MarkTheGreat on November 23, 2009 at 11:19 AM

How galling it is, for this man to sacrifice troops in Afghanistan, so that he, and the other ilk can continue to destroy this nation, based on an ideology.

Hey Obey….most Wisconsin cheeseheads signify this by wearing a cheese wedge on their heads. They don’t signify it, by squeezing canned cheeze into their ears, to use for brains.

capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM

I do agree the war needs to be funded properly. That absolutely didn’t help the country to not do so under Bush.

Let’s correct course.

AnninCA on November 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Stop your conjectures if you can’t support them with figures. In fiscal matters, if you want to be taken seriously, cite your references before making “opinions”.

Your drivel leads to more DIS-INFORMATION.

TheAlamos on November 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM

I do agree the war needs to be funded properly. That absolutely didn’t help the country to not do so under Bush.

Let’s correct course.

AnninCA on November 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Woman, I don’t know where you get your facts, but The Bush Administration never failed to provide for us where it was able. I am so sick of your ignorance or sick of your freaking lies whichever it is. The war was never underfunded under the Bush Administration.

What “is” going on is your man reducing my theaters budget by a couple billion dollars in operation funds for stateside programs. That’s money for operations and the gas to run them. It’s hard to keep the heat on IED emplacers when you can’t run an op to find them. What has also happened is your guy changing the ROE to where it is almost impossible to take a legal shot at IED emplacers without fear of legal repercussions. When you hear of the next kids getting their vehicle blown completely off of the God Damn road, look to your President for the answers to why it still happens and is actually on the increase here. What is also going on is that the theater commander that your guy handpicked, asked for 80,000 troops three months ago. Your guy knew about the contents of his request more than four months ago. The theater commander acquiesced to 40,000 to finish the job and obama still hasn’t come through on that! Again, we’re dying here and you talk and make up facts like you’re discussing some abstract topic at a freaking West Coast wineparty.

This is obama’s failure and not George Bush’s no matter how you libs try to spin it. You ask 100 servicemen and women whom they would want in charge and I guaren-freakin-tee you 90-95 percent would beg for the Bush Administration back.
Quit, quit trying to act like you’re the reasonable voice on this site when everyone knows you’re just a freaking Care Troll sewing your freaking little seeds of doubt. You know nothing, “NOTHING” about this war.

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 11:21 AM

TheAlamos on November 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM

A-freaking-men.

+100

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 11:23 AM

What a pathetic piece of shite. Why doesn’t Obey go back to the families of the soldiers and marines and tell them to pay for the bullets and body armor their sons and daughters need? Makes me wonder which place is more stupid, Wisconsin for putting Obey in Congress time after time after time after time after time…..or Minnesota for putting Al Franken in for the first time?

olesparkie on November 23, 2009 at 11:24 AM

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 11:21 AM

My prayers, and heart go out to you Hawkdriver, and all you serve with. I’m appalled at Obama’s handling of this war, and it makes me so angry. Anything said, or done, in the effort to hasten his decision, as with all things, falls on deaf ears.

Keep up the good fight, and know that there are those of us here, if we were ever to meet, would give you a big ol hug, and a BIG thank you for what you do to serve our nation, and keep us safe!!!

THANK YOU!!!! and (((((HUGS)))) to you all!

capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Tax the rich = less tax revenue to fund operations.

If you want to actually increase revenues, you are going to have to start taxing the poor again. To balance the budget, we have to cut “social” spending — cutting the military will only trash the economy in the near future as trade suffers.

Count to 10 on November 23, 2009 at 11:30 AM

“There ain’t going to be no money…”.

I’m assuming he is trying to connect with us rubes. Or he is an idiot.

Sue on November 23, 2009 at 11:30 AM

“There ain’t going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan,”

Obviously a member of the liberal elite.

Wher did this crap bag get his book lernin’ from?

loudmouth883 on November 23, 2009 at 11:30 AM

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Please know that we thankyou and pray for you daily. Don`t let these liberals trouble your heart. I have faith the tide will turn soon. I hope the truth about what they are doing gets reported and stopped. The only thing this admin is good for is showing how good Pres Bush was!

LSUMama on November 23, 2009 at 11:31 AM

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Be safe, however you can, while we agitate for better conditions from home.

tcn on November 23, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Aren’t we still paying for the Spanish-American war via phone bills?

Obey’s off his nut.

madmonkphotog on November 23, 2009 at 11:33 AM

“There ain’t going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan,”

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you lost me with your highfalutin political speak.

laurakbarr on November 23, 2009 at 11:33 AM

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Hope that you are as well as can be, also wishing your dad well.

thomasaur on November 23, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Ann in CA – you don’t get it because you don’t want to.

All these massive social progrqams that you champion come second to making war. Making war is sanctioned by the Constitution, wheras welfare and other government charities are not.

Yes, “let’s correct course” let’s get rid of everything not specified by the constitution. Let’s round up those who wish to not respect their oath to defend it and let’s have the America that our founder’s promised.

blaque jacques on November 23, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Did he really say “ain’t”?

A neighbor said “ain’t” the other day. Not only could I not believe my ears, I couldn’t listen to another word said.

ORconservative on November 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Heh so you have a problem with people who don’t speak the Kings English?

Bigot.

MadDogF on November 23, 2009 at 11:34 AM

I am so sorry for you folks in Wisconsin. I know, I am in PA and have a liberal a$$hole too. You folks really need to lose this jerk, he is about as rude and ignorant asthey come on Capitol hill, and that is saying alot……..*sigh*….

clinker46 on November 23, 2009 at 11:34 AM

I think we should raise the money with something like a dunk tank. Say $10 and you get to punch David Obey square in the face.

Rbastid on November 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM

What next, a collective forced US Bow to the World Day? Bow or go to jail.

bloggless on November 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM

For the previous poster about 1914-1917, AP clearly said “we” entered in 1917, which is true.

WitchDoctor on November 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM

There ain’t going to be no money…”.

When I first read this It reminded me of “Scar Face” You know, the guy wasted on Cocaine.

Hawkdriver, You have our admiration and respect for what you do. You and everyone over there will be in our prayers, Even more so this Holiday Season.

Guest1.1 on November 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM

“If they ask for an increased troop commitment in Afghanistan, I am going to ask them to pay for it.”

They = General McCrystal

“Pay up. Sir.”

Obey couldn’t manage a paper route on his own.

fogw on November 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM

“There ain’t going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan,”

so that would mean we do have a lot of money if we pour it all into Afghanistan?

bloggless on November 23, 2009 at 11:40 AM

capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Thanks.

I just cannot stand the lies being perpetuated about George Bush and Dick Cheney. And you know what, Don Rumsfeld too. I would take any one of those “statesmen” as CinC over this “political puppet” of George Soros. For the media and the Donks; there was no success they’d report when President Bush was in charge and no failure and death toll milestone they’d fail to use as a knife in his back.

It’s just nice to see once they get in complete power, they drop the facade of “supporting the troops” even though they don’t support the war. They have never supported either.

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM

If we choose to pursue a more aggressive strategy in Afghanistan, it will be to protect our national security by denying radical Islamists a base in that region with which to launch more attacks against the US. The federal government has a constitutional duty to act in the national defense. It does not have a constitutional duty to reorder the American economy, and in fact doesn’t have the authority or jurisdiction to do it anyway. Obey’s progressive agenda has much less legitimacy than the pursuit of America’s enemies by America’s military.

Your summary observation bears repeating, Captain Ed. The progressive agenda ultimately is unconstitutional. Our founding documents define and limit the role of the federal government.

onlineanalyst on November 23, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Anything Obey says that is not in lock step with Obama is an attempt to bolster his campaign for next year. Go Sean Duffy.

scorpio9 on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM

The arrogance and hypocrisy of these people is utter madness. They have no trouble wasting billions of dollars on bailouts for their buddies on Wall Street or passing billion dollar boondoggle health care bill. Borrowed money gets sprinkled around like pixie dust…for future generations to repay. But when it comes to adding more troops suddenly they cry poor. Disgusting. Failures, they’re complete failures.

scalleywag on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM

it will be to protect our national security by denying radical Islamists a base in that region with which to launch more attacks against the US.

Heh. If I was a Muslim, I think I’d prefer to do my planning in some Muslim owned office tower in Manhattan, like the one Iran owns that got noticed last week. Of course, If I were a Muslim, I’d keep a distraction fire burning in the Afghan landfill anyway, just to bleed you of money, morale and willpower.

BL@KBIRD on November 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Ain’t is proper English as it is a contraction of the words “are” and “not”. It is mainly a colloquialism now as it has not carried into modern times.
When we were running the Brittish back to England, this was the Kings English.

Fitting that it is today being used by a Tyrant.

blaque jacques on November 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Obey prefers that government cheese be upgraded to Brie while our troops get the TS ticket. What a skewed sense of priorities!

onlineanalyst on November 23, 2009 at 11:48 AM

It’s just nice to see once they get in complete power, they drop the facade of “supporting the troops” even though they don’t support the war. They have never supported either.

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Bullseye. That needs to be repeated, and often.

fogw on November 23, 2009 at 11:49 AM

That’s what happened with the Korean War, which wiped out Harry Truman’s Square Deal.

Didn’t Truman have the Fair Deal? I think the Square Deal was Theodore Roosevelt.

Mark1971 on November 23, 2009 at 12:01 PM

I think we should raise the money with something like a dunk tank. Say $10 and you get to punch David Obey square in the face.

Rbastid on November 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Make that a donk take, and include Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Obama, Biden, Schumer, Franks, etc….and count me in! :D

All proceeds go to the troops!!!!!

capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 12:04 PM

“There ain’t going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan,” House Appropriations Chairman David Obey told ABC News in an exclusive interview.

I couldn’t have put it better myself.

Actually, yes I could. And so could any reasonably intelligent third-grader.

logis on November 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM

You are most welcome. While I can’t imagine the daily grind you all go thru, I can empathize, and feel the anger. I feel that immensely. My family has always been strong supporters of our troops. Let me extend the thank you. If you’re ever in the Houston area, you come by for dinner. You’re always welcome here!

capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Anninca or whatever your name is…..Please get off our blog, you are a disgrace. I am with Hawk, as I have a niece and a nephew, God bless their patriotic hearts, who both re-upped while W was in office, and now wish they had known what a jerk the cic is now. They both, and their friends do not want to work for this pres or this congress, but they have taken an oath, so they do it day in and day out, but really miss W and the type of caring cic he was.. Just like Hawk and all our other brave hearts over there. They deserve so much better than this piece of crap government we have now, thanks to YOU and your ilk..Go away, and stay away.

clinker46 on November 23, 2009 at 12:07 PM

that’s funny-the government isn’t funded anyway….

I’m ready to give all my income to the government now…Hey you monkey president I need a new shotgun for Xmas… are we still allowed to have Xmas? Lets have a vote…

OBAMA is a sorry as moron that isn’t qualified to be a Walmart greeter…

NRA Lifer on November 23, 2009 at 12:13 PM

And as if the difference between Conservatives and Donks wasn’t apparent enough, God always sends me a sign to cement my suspicions.

As I was sitting here in the CP disgusted at the politics that libs like Olbey and AnninCA inject into what we’re doing, the Detachment Commander walks in with a Care Package from NaCly Dog from Hot Air. I must be turning into a jaded old soldier because I never seem to be at a loss for angry words for our detractors but never seem to be able to find the correct words to accurately describe the feeling of getting a care package from one of you. We’re humbled and the timing couldn’t have been better. I appreciate that you all send letters too with all of the gifts of snacks and hand warmers and toiletries. Our enlisted guys love you all for this and I thank you personally for them. Cindy Munford, UpinAK and NaCly Dog thank you all so very much!

NaCly Dog, I’ll be sending a personal letter of thanks back to you. And to you, Cindy and AK, please expect something special from the Detachment in return.

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Unless you live in this senile old f#ck’s district, you have no idea how bad he is.

He is so used to power and stealing money from taxpayers, if Duffy defeats him, he will probably keel over and die shortly afterward.

PimFortuynsGhost on November 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM

AnninCA, how dare you!

Oh, I guess that being a lib puts you above all us Neanderthals who love our country and care about our troops and their mission. In that case, I’m proud to be one of the Neanderthals. I have a son in the Navy and a daughter who has made the Marines her career.

Obey is a worthless clown. All that fake “down home” speech to convince us he’s one of the people doesn’t cut any ice with me, or anyone else with half a brain. He’s an elitist politician who cares only for his rotten agenda and to hell with America and American troops. So what if they die? He’s got his power and all the trappings that go with it.

2012 can’t possibly come soon enough.

hachiban on November 23, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Wethal on November 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Unf–g believable!!!

lovingmyUSA on November 23, 2009 at 12:30 PM

I’ve beed saying it for a while: Obama doesn’t give a damn about the military. He has not made a decision on troops for Afghanistan because he is waiting to get Healthcare passed. I know it in my heart. Obama cannot afford to be seen as anything like GW to his base, thats why he tried to close GITMO, that is why he tried to prosecute the CIA, and that is why we are seeing KSM take the stage in NYC. All of this has one thing in common. It’s being done to outrage and distract every citizen and potential roadblock to getting universal healthcare past the house and onto his desk. Obama is a political suicide bomber. He couldn’t care less about his second term.

Mord on November 23, 2009 at 12:35 PM

An interesting attempt to get monies for military families, which failed.

S.Amdt. 2785 to S. 1963 (Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2009)
Statement of Purpose: To transfer funding for the United Nations contributions to offset costs of providing assistance to family caregivers of disabled veterans.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00351

Tom

marinetbryant on November 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM

“There ain’t going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan,”

Cool. A triple negative. It takes some real talent to be that illiterate.

RadClown on November 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Sending more troops to Afghanistan would actually create and save jobs. So just from that perspective its a win compared to their other efforts at jobs stimulus.

taznar on November 23, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Whoa! I didn’t know I was surrounded by elitests.

There ain’t a thing wrong with ain’t.

misterpeasea on November 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Hawkdriver, if you could, post an address? I’ll be baking cookies soon, and would like to send you a package to share with others. Let me know if there’s anything else I can send, and I’ll do my best to get it for you all!

capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I can’t wait to vote Obey out. He’s another military hating big government spending democrat who does not represent the interests of his district. Does he even know how many Wisconsin Soldiers are deployed right now? I swear, 2010 cannot come soon enough. Go Sean go.

Logboy on November 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Hawkdriver:

GOD BLESS YOU!! God keep you safe and everyone there. I thank you with ALL my heart for your Service, and that of everyone there with you……

Your comment, so heartfelt and true, has, I think completely shut AnninCA up!!

We shall overcome, we shall be heard and we shall make a difference!!

RoxanneH on November 23, 2009 at 1:38 PM

I do agree the war needs to be funded properly. That absolutely didn’t help the country to not do so under Bush.

AnninCA on November 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM

On the other hand, there is never a need to “properly fund” the domestic programs that you do agree with.

MarkTheGreat on November 23, 2009 at 11:19 AM

You’re both right. The government doesn’t even do the jobs it’s SUPPOSED to be doing without massive overruns in cost and time, and ‘cutting back’ on military programs too often means blindly slashing funding, with the resulting money ‘saved’ being squandered on pork.

Dark-Star on November 23, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Let’s correct course.

AnninCA on November 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM

I agree, lets start with worrying about the 1.8 trillion dollar cost of obamacare alone. Thats alot more damaging than 20 billion.

sonofdy on November 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM

capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Capejasmine, I can send you an address if you e-mail me here.

hawksp2000@gmail.com

And trolls, don’t bother. I just list you as spam and you’ll only ever get one through. And I won’t even read the first one.

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Obey is the poster boy for term limits. He has been in the House since 1969! C’mon Cheese Heads, vote this turd out once and for all. Let somebody else have a turn.

Mallard T. Drake on November 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM

God Bless and Keep you hawkdriver. Please know that the vast majority of us support you and your mission.

Gothguy
USN
1980-1990

Gothguy on November 23, 2009 at 2:36 PM

“Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?”

Forget it, he’s on a roll. . .

Wind Rider on November 23, 2009 at 3:28 PM

It is just one more excuse to bail out on the war.

Terrye on November 23, 2009 at 3:33 PM

hawkdriver on November 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Thank you, Hawsdriver, and I’ve emailed you!

capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Um, I believe Jim Carey and a lot of his peers qualify as super rich. Maybe they should be taxed down to paupers first of all.

{O.O}

herself on November 24, 2009 at 1:32 AM