Gathering consensus: Obama’s Asia trip a flop
posted at 11:36 am on November 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Why did Barack Obama take a tour of Asia? That question has begun to be asked around the world, as Obama returns home with no major initiatives launched, no diplomatic openings achieved, and nothing of consequence broached. The Times of London takes the lead in its news section by saying that that “dream” of Obama appears to be fading:
The real problem may be Obama’s friends — or rather, those among his formerly most enthusiastic supporters who are now having second thoughts.
The doubters are suddenly stretching across a broad section of the Democratic party’s natural constituency. They include black congressional leaders upset by the sluggish economy; women and Hispanics appalled by concessions made to Republicans on healthcare; anti-war liberals depressed by the debate over troops for Afghanistan; and growing numbers of blue-collar workers who are continuing to lose their jobs and homes.
Obama’s Asian adventure perceptibly increased the murmurings of dissent when he returned to Washington last week, having failed to wring any public concessions from China on any major issue.
The New York Times worried about a bow, but not the one to Emperor Akihito. Even the most sympathetic editorial board in the nation to Obama gave the trip low marks:
We were especially disappointed that China made no discernible move to join with the United States and other major powers in threatening tougher sanctions if Iran fails to make progress on curbing its nuclear weapons program. President Obama should have made clear in his private talks that the United States and Europe will act anyway if Beijing and Moscow block United Nations Security Council action.
It was also dispiriting that Mr. Obama agreed to allow China to limit his public appearances so markedly. Questions were not permitted at the so-called press conference with Mr. Hu, and his town hall meeting with future Chinese leaders in Shanghai not only had a Potemkin air, it was not even broadcast live in China. It’s obvious that the last thing Mr. Hu wanted was to get questions about issues like his brutal repression in Tibet and Xinjiang. That doesn’t explain Mr. Obama’s acquiescence in such restrictions.
Mr. Obama did not meet with Chinese liberals. In Shanghai, he spoke of the need for an uncensored Internet and universal rights for all people, including Chinese, and at the press conference he called for dialogue between Beijing and the Dalai Lama. He delayed a meeting with the Dalai Lama until after the China summit and should schedule it soon.
President Obama was elected in part because he promised a more cooperative and pragmatic leadership in world affairs. We support that. The measure of the success (or failure) of his approach won’t be known for months, and we hope it bears fruit. But the American president must always be willing to stand up to Beijing in defense of core American interests and values.
Back to the foreign press, Der Spiegel calls the trip a complete flop in a piece titled, “Obama’s Nice Guy Act Gets Him Nowhere on the World Stage”:
When he entered office, US President Barack Obama promised to inject US foreign policy with a new tone of respect and diplomacy. His recent trip to Asia, however, showed that it’s not working. A shift to Bush-style bluntness may be coming. …
Upon taking office, Obama said that he wanted to listen to the world, promising respect instead of arrogance. But Obama’s currency isn’t as strong as he had believed. Everyone wants respect, but hardly anyone is willing to pay for it. Interests, not emotions, dominate the world of realpolitik. The Asia trip revealed the limits of Washington’s new foreign policy: Although Obama did not lose face in China and Japan, he did appear to have lost some of his initial stature.
In Tokyo, the new center-left government even pulled out of its participation in a mission which saw the Japanese navy refueling US warships in the Indian Ocean as part of the Afghanistan campaign. In Beijing, Obama failed to achieve any important concessions whatsoever. There will be no binding commitments from China to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. A revaluation of the Chinese currency, which is kept artificially weak, has been postponed. Sanctions against Iran? Not a chance. Nuclear disarmament? Not an issue for the Chinese.
The White House did not even stand up for itself when it came to the question of human rights in China. The president, who had said only a few days earlier that freedom of expression is a universal right, was coerced into attending a joint press conference with Chinese President Hu Jintao, at which questions were forbidden. Former US President George W. Bush had always managed to avoid such press conferences.
Back home, Leslie Gelb, President Emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, says it’s time to clean house, starting at the top — and suggests that Obama stay out of foreign-policy decisions, where he’s clearly not qualified:
President Obama’s nine-day trip to Asia is worth a look back to fix two potent problems, past and future. First, the trip’s limited value per day of presidential effort suggests a disturbing amateurishness in managing America’s power. On top of the inexcusably clumsy review of Afghan policy and the fumbling of Mideast negotiations, the message for Mr. Obama should be clear: He should stare hard at the skills of his foreign-policy team and, more so, at his own dominant role in decision-making. Something is awry somewhere, and he’s got to fix it. …
It was not good optics for Obama to bow to Japan’s emperor. He seems to do this stuff spontaneously and inexplicably, as with his bow to the Saudi King some months ago. And it was truly unfortunate that Obama and his aides didn’t flatly insist that he be allowed to address the Chinese people directly on television and meet with non-stacked Chinese groups—as has been the case during previous presidential visits. Beijing’s leaders obviously didn’t feel confident enough of their own standing at home to give the popular Mr. Obama such access. But he and his team should have made it a precondition of the visit. Its absence left an unhappy taste.
The White House might try to blame the State Department (such an easy and delicious target) for the missteps. But State’s role in the conceptual planning of the trip was not central, and the department’s senior Asia hand, Kurt Campbell, surely knew better. It’s also hard to tar the National Security Council’s own senior Asia expert, Jeff Bader, another pro like Campbell. Perhaps even higher officials at the NSC dropped the ball. Perhaps Mr. Obama might take responsibility himself, as President Kennedy did after the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961. Now, that would truly clear the air—and open the door to some obvious and necessary changes in the administration’s decision-making machinery. Every decision, large and small, is shaped and made by the president himself and enforced by Denis McDonough, a deputy NSC adviser and the administration’s Lord High Executioner. Does Obama get enough pushback? Is he hearing a range of views? Can he see that his powerful intellect might profit from bowing to the voices of experience? If Mr. Obama reflects on the Asia journey and other mishaps, he might loosen the reins and bring in additional policy and diplomatic pros as inside counselors or outside advisers.
Even under normal circumstances, a presidential tour would have only been undertaken as part of an arranged sequence in which major issues were settled at meetings between heads of state. Instead, Obama seemed to treat this as a campaign tour. He shook a lot of hands, bowed to a monarch, and in general tried to be as obsequious as possible while accomplishing nothing.
But these aren’t normal circumstances. Obama postponed work on war policy to take this tour, and rejected an appearance at the Berlin Wall commemoration because this trip had him too busy to attend. At the end of it all, nothing was accomplished except some serious work avoidance by the Commander in Chief, and a lessening of respect for Obama and the US from his lack of testicular fortitude in dealing with the Chinese — even among Obama’s biggest supporters. After all, it’s not every day one sees Der Speigel nostalgic for some Bush-style American diplomacy.
Clearly, Obama is in way over his head, and his choice for Secretary of State isn’t helping. He needs a seasoned diplomat at the helm of State, and he needs to abandon his “smart power,” “reset buttons,” and campaign trail-style diplomacy in exchange for professionalism and protocol. And he needs to do it fast, before our allies in the Pacific and Europe write him off entirely.










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Empty. Suit.
rollthedice on November 23, 2009 at 11:37 AM
So he wouldn’t be here when it was announced that KSM will be tried in New York.
sammypants on November 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM
A little like Evita’s rainbow tour.
Disturb the Universe on November 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Gathering consensus: Obama
’s Asia tripa flopfaraway on November 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM
The fast growing consensus is that he is the worst president ever. And, we have three more years to put up with him. God help us all.
SC.Charlie on November 23, 2009 at 11:40 AM
way to focus on jobs and theconomy a–hole! but i expect nothing less from a fraud who puts a lock on his birth certificate and every other written record of his past. the anti-christ went to asia…..yawn…
Ghoul aid on November 23, 2009 at 11:41 AM
What concessions were these eggheads expecting? Obomber is in no position to wring concessions from the Chicoms. The best he can do with them is persuade them to buy more bonds, which bond sales are the only things keeping his administration afloat. That was the goal of his trip, nothing more.
james23 on November 23, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Reality.
LibTired on November 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM
He enjoys:
1. Giving speeches
2. Golfing
3. Traveling
4. Giving speeches while traveling
He does not enjoy:
1. Doing anything in the Oval Office
2. Leading
3. Governing
Daggett on November 23, 2009 at 11:43 AM
FIFY
MarkTheGreat on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM
W. just emailed to ask “Miss me yet?”
misterpeasea on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Pre-trip itinerary:
Get a good look at the Japanese Emperior’s shoes: Check
Picture of the one at The Great Wall: Check
Kung fu pose pic Check
Give SNL writers material: Check
Smashing success!
Caper29 on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Hmm, lets see now. Every world leader that Obama meets, with the exception of hereditary leaders, have not had affirmative action or a friendly press to help them. Those world leaders had to get good grades and succeed on their own merits, unlike Pres. Obama.
They all know that Obama is an empty suit, and they treat him like one. They also know that a 26 yr old white guy is writing his speeches.
Nuff, said.
thgrant on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM
My guess is that he wanted to spend some time away from Washington.
Either that or he needed an excuse to avoid going to the Berlin Wall anniversery.
MarkTheGreat on November 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Where did the Times come up with this one? What concessions made to Republicans? Women seem almost as much against this Bill as men. As for Hispanics–if they are against it, it’s the illegal alien thing-otherwise they feel pretty much as the rest of us. What is with these Dems–the entire middle class is supposed to give away all it’s hard earned assets to the ‘poor and down trodden’ thereby adding to their ranks? These times and this attitude have become insane, it’s the only word that fits.
jeanie on November 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM
+ 1MM
PappaMac on November 23, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Geez, even this guy is giving a little bow to Obama’s “great intellect.” You can say that as many times as you like, I want to see some EVIDENCE before I’ll believe it.
S. Weasel on November 23, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Is anyone surprised by this?
4shoes on November 23, 2009 at 11:47 AM
This trip makes me nostalgic for another African-American diplomat.
Condoleezza Rice.
Steve Z on November 23, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Only in the world of the LSM, are those who opposed communists, the liberals.
MarkTheGreat on November 23, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Let’s get to the point here, Ed:
Osama Obama needs to resign, and do it soon.
Affirmative-action hires are bad enough when they are given government money and community-organizing posts. To have one in the White House is intolerable.
It will only get worse if those who can see him for the total failure he really is continue to pussyfoot around the issue, uttering polite calls for him to shape up. He is incapable of “shaping up.”
He needs to go. We can’t afford him.
MrScribbler on November 23, 2009 at 11:49 AM
It got him a Nobel prize. That’s a major accomplishment.
/sarc
Bobbertsan on November 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Date night?
Gee, someone who basically voted present as a state senator and was only 2 years into his first term as a US senator is inexperienced? Whodathunkit?
rbj on November 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM
I can’t get over the fact that Obama is doing even worse than I had expected.
redshirt on November 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I suspect that China called him up and demanded that he come and “explain” how he was going to pay them back, and Obama just rolled that stop into his Asia tour in an attempt to save face to a certain extent. The Chinese are getting pissed about America’s debt. This is about the umpteenth big wig to visit since January to Beijing. They are getting worried that the US is just going to inflate their debt holdings away. 10% inflation for 5-7 years will work wonders.
Johnnyreb on November 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Reality is racist.
Mike Honcho on November 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM
The Der Spiegel article concludes in part that Obama is thinking about taking a decidedly W. turn in his approach to foreign policy. I disagree. Does anyone else see hints of Obama going “cowboy” in his diplomacy? The only evidence the article cites is that Obama has used non-sequiturs like “time is running out”. So what? Those words mean nothing if you don’t have the stick behind you.
russcote on November 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Ed, you’re being far too nice. Sarkozy, the only real European leader, seems already to have written him off.
kscheuller on November 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM
White House Travel Office just followed directions. Barry said to them, “If they want me to be at the anniversary of the wall coming down, then as POTUS I should go. Book me to China.”
fogw on November 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM
So many chances to boot this loser in the ass. So few takers.
nico on November 23, 2009 at 11:56 AM
We are the ones who we’ve been waiting for.
a capella on November 23, 2009 at 11:56 AM
He really, really likes Air Force One…
d1carter on November 23, 2009 at 11:56 AM
This was a vacation…
javamartini on November 23, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I know a way he could spend a lot of time away from Washington.
backwoods conservative on November 23, 2009 at 11:57 AM
What powerful intellect? He’s no more than a garden-variety Ivy Leaguer, who is also blessed with a wonderful natural speaking voice. His greatest achivement is being elected President, and any Democrat could’ve won in those circumstances.
hawksruleva on November 23, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Yep. Me too.
OmahaConservative on November 23, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I’m tired of looking at that misleading screencap you keep using, Ed.
Please use the photo snapped 10 seconds before this one. It shows Obama completely prostrate on the floor — face and head covered by his hands — at the foot of the emperor.
This misleading image on the Hot Air home page simply shows the emperor extending a hand to help Obama return to the fully upright position.
FlameWarrior on November 23, 2009 at 11:58 AM
“Fast” as in “two years ago”?
Count to 10 on November 23, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Great post. Dang it, I snorted my soda!
hawksruleva on November 23, 2009 at 11:58 AM
?
Count to 10 on November 23, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Oh please. If he had a powerful intellect, there would have been no need for this article to have been written.
Patrick S on November 23, 2009 at 11:58 AM
you think? hmmm. who could have forsawthat bowing and begging would be seen as a failure…
unseen on November 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Agreed. I predicted he’d be a disaster, but I didn’t think he’d be THIS bad THIS soon. Aside from a few Somali pirates getting drilled in the head, I can’t think of anything good he’s done thus far.
Unless you count keeping the Bush policies of wiretapping, drone attacks, rendition, and indefinite detention. But even that’s damning him with faint praise.
Doughboy on November 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM
the bower in chief disgraceful
unseen on November 23, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Agreed. I predicted he’d be a disaster, but I didn’t think he’d be THIS bad THIS soon. Aside from a few Somali pirates getting drilled in the head, I can’t think of anything good he’s done thus far.
Doughboy on November 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Still not sure he ordered that and jus tdid not take credit for it
unseen on November 23, 2009 at 12:01 PM
I read somewhere(maybe Powerline?)that the Rooskies are amused at his antics, so other than as a source of entertainment for them, they probably fall into the same camp.
a capella on November 23, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Hu didn’t even get his dinner and movie before he had sex done to him.
Chuck Schick on November 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Don’t overanalyze it. As of January he got a private plane that he doesn’t have to pay to maintain or fuel. The end.
rogerb on November 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM
And he needs to do it fast, before our allies in the Pacific and Europe write him off entirely.
I vote for write off.
KG in Sask on November 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM
His IQ is probably reasonably high, but I have never understood why people think he has a good speaking voice. Also, I’m not sure any of the other Democrats would have won — the rest didn’t have the “vote for the first Black President!” thing going for them.
Count to 10 on November 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM
I just can’t understand how a state senator with no experience beyond organizing hapless citizens of Chicago is not dominating the geopolitical scene. Makes no sense.
AmericanUnderground on November 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM
That stupid BOOOOSH managed to handle the Chinese better than serial bootlicker/curtsier/head bower Obozo did. It must be embarrasing for The Zero to be shown up by the likes of Chimpy McHitler.
Cicero43 on November 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM
..stolen thunder! +1,000.
VoyskaPVO on November 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM
What do you mean? He did pick up a black belt!
/sarc
cs89 on November 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM
All hail the “Audacity of Hope”less ineptitude.
BillyGoatGruff on November 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Great line- should be repeated to all those Obama voters (I know a few ) who voted for him just so other countries would “like” us.
LASue on November 23, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Awwwww that’s so sad that millions of people who dreamed of free mortgages and free gas are now waking up.
angryed on November 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM
He is a failure.
WisCon on November 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Ditherer-in-chief is a disgrace
nyx on November 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM
The man is an ego maniac. To meet him is to find a newfound wave of disdain.
He’s also a wonker. Once met, no longer revered.
Griz on November 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM
BUt BUT he won the PEACE PRIZE>>>>>>LOL
unseen on November 23, 2009 at 12:06 PM
The Emperor has nice shoes.
- Obama
LadinPlaid on November 23, 2009 at 12:06 PM
I never thought that might be deliberate but … it seems to make sense.
gh on November 23, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Obama made clear what he would do in office. I mean his entire campaign focused on ‘Hope and Change.’ He planned to let the American People continually hope that he would change. He won’t and we’ll have to pay the bill.
j_galt on November 23, 2009 at 12:07 PM
I wonder if Obama got to keep the kneepads from his trip
unseen on November 23, 2009 at 12:07 PM
zero’s visits to the US are flops also.
dragondrop on November 23, 2009 at 12:08 PM
That explains his speaking so eloquently when there’s no teleprompter to be found.
Uh …. er …. ummmm … uhhh ….. I’m thmart.
fogw on November 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM
I have to agree with S. Weasel above – where is the evidence of Obama’s supposed “powerful intellect?” I don’t get it. Likewise his supposed great oratory. Sans teleprompter, he make George W. Bush sound as eloquent as Wm. F. Buckley.
Steve H in AZ on November 23, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Obama takes no responsibility for anything, he’s just too smart for the rest of the world.
It’s seriously time for someone to start asking for this man to step down. He’s toxic.
Knucklehead on November 23, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Ditherer-in-Chief’s next book title would be “The Audacity of Hopelessness: My years as Commander in Chief” and “Dreaming of My Father: That still got me booted out of office”
Again, that’s if he’s honest. Unfortunately, he is a liar extraordinare.
nyx on November 23, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Chicago 2016!
LibTired on November 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Next, Obama will be taking a break to Camp David to recover from his low back pain…know as bowback. A condition common with elitist, pacifist, leftists.
LadinPlaid on November 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM
What do you mean? He did pick up a black belt!
/sarc
cs89 on November 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Yeah. Before he left. From J.C. Penney.
kingsjester on November 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM
+ 1 ! LOL!
4shoes on November 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM
People! It’s not Obama’s fault. It’s your fault! Oh, why can’t our leaders be more efficient like China’s leaders!
Caper29 on November 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM
the bower in chief disgraceful
unseen on November 23, 2009 at 12:00 PM
How in the HELL did we get to this place?
LSUMama on November 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM
I don’t think O is really very stupid but he is no extraordinary intellect either. He would be mediocre – neither brilliant nor stupid. But of course, he’s been failing upwards before his disastrous tenure as President. Woe to us wrenches who are governed by TOTUS.
nyx on November 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Let’s all hope that US voters are intelligent enough in 2012 to make that happen.
mwdiver on November 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Hillary is NOT the problem here, She is muzzled in point of fact
ginaswo on November 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM
President Obama made a mistake in a debate in July 2007 when he said he would meet with the President of Iran “without preconditions”. Hillary Clinton ran a series of commercials attempting to capitalize on that mistake by making Obama look inexperienced and dangerously naive. During the General Election campaign, John McCain repeated this strategy.
Instead of quickly correcting himself, then Senator Obama defended his position and made meeting foreign leaders without preconditions a central aspect of his foreign policy. Now he has raised this error to the level of doctrine.
This is why you should not elevate pathological narcissists to positions of authority. Rather than admitting an obvious error, they will do untold damage to prove that they were right all along. To them, the most important thing is that they are, and have always been, right. All other considerations are secondary.
gridlock2 on November 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Michelle keeps them in a box. She likes her men thin and ball-less.
nwpammy on November 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM
lol…I like what one of the commenter’s on that Times article said about Obama: “I don’t know what he does when he is on an overseas trip but when he is here at home all he seems to do is play golf”.
Hellrider on November 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM
He’s like a kid graduating from college with an America-bad arts poli sci degree. I feel like saying, “You mean you believed that crap?!”
PattyJ on November 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM
It was the Chinese who didn’t want questions at the presser? Hmm, maybe, but Obama was A-Okay with that, as we all know his level of performance without TOTUS.
Dark Star on November 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Impeachment, anyone? Anyone?
BetseyRoss on November 23, 2009 at 12:17 PM
So now it’s our fault he’s an idiot?
Knucklehead on November 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Invertabrates make up 95% of all animal species. Is it any surprise that one day one of them would be elected?
nico on November 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM
No offense here by why in the Hell did it take this long to gather concensus about this trip? It was a flop from the outset with no particular purpose other than to get the filthy lying coward out of the country when the terrorist and Muslim loving bastard’s administration announced that we would be freeing the 9/11/01 terrorists after show trials meant to indict the Bush administration.
This trip never had a purpose and was ill-advised. If the thought process was to get the bastard out to other countries for some serious Obama worship to bolster poll numbers it didn’t work.
highhopes on November 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM
When a president goes over seas and his poll numbers are at the same rate as a private citizen you know he is in trouble.
One year in and he’s a lame duck or more like a d**d duck/sarc.
Clyde5445 on November 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM
You mean this trip was supposed to accomplish something? I thought it was just yet another much needed vacation from the work hard (basketball, golf)play hard President?
capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Who?
highhopes on November 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM
I majored in political science and am planning on going to grad school this January so not all of us humanities majors are despicable :)
nyx on November 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM
How in the HELL did we get to this place?
LSUMama on November 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM
maybe the crazys that warned us about the flouride in the water were right? I don’t know. people get “fat, dumb, and happy” and forget what the important things are. history is repeat with fools and con man leading great nations to their doom.
The pied piper is a story for the ages disguised as a children’s fable.
unseen on November 23, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Obama is so convinced that his is a powerful intellect (despite all evidence to the contrary) that he doesn’t believe he needs to listen to anyone else.
MarkTheGreat on November 23, 2009 at 12:21 PM
My personal opinion was this was an excuse to get away from the wide-hipped spouse and mother-in-law. It’s the presidential equivilent of going out for a smoke. Since there wasn’t a purpose, it was like the creepy neighbor who shows up at your door for no particular reason other than being bored at home.
highhopes on November 23, 2009 at 12:22 PM
No offense here by why in the Hell did it take this long to gather concensus about this trip? It was a flop from the outset with no particular purpose other than to get the filthy lying coward out of the country when the terrorist and Muslim loving bastard’s administration announced that we would be freeing the 9/11/01 terrorists after show trials meant to indict the Bush administration.
This trip never had a purpose and was ill-advised. If the thought process was to get the bastard out to other countries for some serious Obama worship to bolster poll numbers it didn’t work.
highhopes on November 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM
It took so long because the MSM continued to try to hide the flop
unseen on November 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Too late…
Khun Joe on November 23, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You seem to be assuming that Obama wants to wring any concessions from the Chinese, or anyone other than Israel and Honduras for that matter.
MarkTheGreat on November 23, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Smart Power
jnelchef on November 23, 2009 at 12:26 PM
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