9/11 Five lawyers: Trial will become their platform to the world
posted at 10:12 am on November 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
But hey, don’t worry. Eric Holder is confident that a federal judge can keep them in line — because terrorists are so used to playing by the rules:
The five men facing trial in the Sept. 11 attacks will plead not guilty so that they can air their criticisms of U.S. foreign policy, the lawyer for one of the defendants said Sunday.
Scott Fenstermaker, the lawyer for accused terrorist Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, said the men would not deny their role in the 2001 attacks but “would explain what happened and why they did it.”
The U.S. Justice Department announced earlier this month that Ali and four other men accused of murdering nearly 3,000 people in the deadliest terrorist attack in the U.S. will face a civilian federal trial just blocks from the site of the destroyed World Trade Center.
Ali, also known as Ammar al-Baluchi, is a nephew of professed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
Mohammed, Ali and the others will explain “their assessment of American foreign policy,” Fenstermaker said. “Their assessment is negative,” he said.
Uh, thanks for clarifying that, genius.
Meanwhile, the DoJ continues to give us the Chip Diller “All is well” spin:
Dean Boyd, a spokesman for the Department of Justice, said Sunday that while the men may attempt to use the trial to express their views, “we have full confidence in the ability of the courts and in particular the federal judge who may preside over the trial to ensure that the proceeding is conducted appropriately and with minimal disruption, as federal courts have done in the past.”
Exactly. Just like they did with … Zacarias Moussaoui. And in that case, which turned into a media circus, with Moussaoui grandstanding as often as possible and using the trial as a platform for his propaganda, the DoJ and the court only had one defendant. This will have five, and at least one (KSM) with slightly more on the ball than Moussaoui, who was a little too screwy even for al-Qaeda, according to the 9/11 Commission.
Speaking of Chip Diller moments, remember this scene? The stampeding hordes will look like a Sunday stroll compared to the media crush coming to the Big Apple for this trial:
Update: Dave Feigel at Slate makes the case that anyone who may have to appear in a federal court facing criminal charges should be opposed to this decision — entirely for their own self-interest:
In an idealized view, our judicial system is insulated from the ribald passions of politics. In reality, those passions suffuse the criminal justice system, and no matter how compelling the case for suppressing evidence that would actually effect the trial might be, given the politics at play, there is no judge in the country who will seriously endanger the prosecution. Instead, with the defense motions duly denied, the case will proceed to trial, and then (as no jury in the country is going to acquit KSM) to conviction and a series of appeals. And that’s where the ultimate effect of a vigorous defense of KSM gets really grim.
At each stage of the appellate process, a higher court will countenance the cowardly decisions made by the trial judge, ennobling them with the unfortunate force of precedent. The judicial refusal to consider KSM’s years of quasi-legal military detention as a violation of his right to a speedy trial will erode that already crippled constitutional concept. The denial of the venue motion will raise the bar even higher for defendants looking to escape from damning pretrial publicity. Ever deferential to the trial court, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will affirm dozens of decisions that redact and restrict the disclosure of secret documents, prompting the government to be ever more expansive in invoking claims of national security and emboldening other judges to withhold critical evidence from future defendants. Finally, the twisted logic required to disentangle KSM’s initial torture from his subsequent “clean team” statements will provide a blueprint for the government, giving them the prize they’ve been after all this time—a legal way both to torture and to prosecute.
This is why war criminals get tried in military tribunals, and American residents get tried in court.










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and so it begins…
cmsinaz on November 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Ok..if they arent going to deny their role in the attack, why the heck even put them on trial? Have them plead guilty, save some money.
becki51758 on November 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Isn’t this what Obama wants anyway? A platform so terrorists can denounce America and sing the praises of Islam? I think so … anything that degrades or denounces America is a positive in Obama’s eyes.
darwin on November 23, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Not a good sign here, when the defense and prosecution are in agreement.
The thing is, their assessment is no defense to calculated, cold-blooded murder. The judge should deny them the opportunity to make such an argument.
rbj on November 23, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Care to to give a specific example Mr. Boyd? You give terrorists a platform to the world and then you expect a federal judge to reign in the rights that you bestowed on these criminals? Here’s an idea…. treat them like terrorists instead of jaywalkers and pull this whole idea that terrorists have rights.
highhopes on November 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Bringing this in from another thread:
“Democratic nations must try to find ways to starve the terrorist and the hijacker of the oxygen of publicity on which they depend.”
~Margaret Thatcher
NoLeftTurn on November 23, 2009 at 10:17 AM
But….all of our troll legal experts here were assuring us last week that this would never happen.
Del Dolemonte on November 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM
I am utter novice when it comes to law can’t some rightwing groups sue the government to stop them from giving these terrorists the rights of American citizens? if they can keep the Justice Dept. in court for a few years, the next admin will take a different tactic.
promachus on November 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Will they cue up the circus music now?
jdkchem on November 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Well.
the_nile on November 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Let’s call it what it is:
So You Want To Be A Terrorist Celebrity!
It could be bigger than Survivor!
Mr. Joe on November 23, 2009 at 10:20 AM
we r fuct.
moonbatkiller on November 23, 2009 at 10:21 AM
So in short, we’re going to give the terrorists a platform for their propaganda.
How in the H*ll can that be a good idea?
Fake8 on November 23, 2009 at 10:21 AM
I hate wearing my foil hat but it has become obvious that either-
A) this administration is dangerously stupid and naive, or
B) they are cold and calculating in willing to do anything to achieve a desired result in this country.
Really would prefer #A
jjshaka on November 23, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Way to Holder . . . you idiot.
rplat on November 23, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Again, all zero and his gang want to do is wreck this country in any way they can.On that notion they are doing a bang-up job.
bbz123 on November 23, 2009 at 10:23 AM
So they are going to plead not guilty, but they will claim responsibility for the attacks? So then their defense will be, what? The Great Satan made them do it?
This is so wrong. Even though it will have very negative repercussions throughout the entire justice system, I really hope the defense lawyers know their stuff and come out swinging against holder and obama, and really fight the fact that this trial cannot possibly be fair. This administration needs to be put in its place on this.
Spectreman on November 23, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Right on. Thank Goodness Conservatives have their own Iron Lady in the Lists.
GunRunner on November 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM
c) Obama needs to resign.
Skywise on November 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Bambi’s a piker. Stalin just had ‘em taken out back and shot.
misterpeasea on November 23, 2009 at 10:25 AM
You are correct. Obama did say…he would stand with his muslim brothers.
When this is all said, and done, I think we ought to arrest and try Holder, Obama, and any other tool that thought this was the right thing to do. To put the victims families thru this kind of pseudo trial, is cruel, and inhumane. Shame on them.
capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 10:25 AM
All of the above.
the_nile on November 23, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Hopefully, their rants will condemn their brothers to a quick death – no prisoners.
OldEnglish on November 23, 2009 at 10:25 AM
I expect him to go free. Writ of habeas corpus should be enough.
unclesmrgol on November 23, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Obama and Holder are putting America on trial and the five terrorists are the prosecutorial witnesses.
fourdeucer on November 23, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Holder is becoming the “Brownie” of the justice system, making the Katrina response look like a day at the beach.
TXUS on November 23, 2009 at 10:26 AM
And while you’re at it, Obama and Holder, why don’t you let Charlie Manson write and compose a song to commemorate the occasion? You unpatriotic self-aggrandizing Marxists.
kingsjester on November 23, 2009 at 10:26 AM
The idiot and dangerous left.
cubachi on November 23, 2009 at 10:27 AM
I know this is OT but are we still allowed to enjoy that Animal House clip? There were no minorities represented so I think by todays standards that clip is no longer valid.
On the bright side, our Army is diverse.
CarolynM on November 23, 2009 at 10:27 AM
So now we’ve become Enablers without our permission……Thank you Obomber.
rich801 on November 23, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Maybe Dean
BoydWormer can put the defendants on “double secret probation” or something.Just to stay consistent with the Animal House meme.
UltimateBob on November 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Well all I can say is that if this trial turns into a circus, public opinion is going crush Obama and the Democrat leadership into oblivion.
Hellrider on November 23, 2009 at 10:29 AM
If the course of this trial doesn’t generate a blast of outrage by mainstream America, then nothing will.
petefrt on November 23, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Odds that a mob breaks through and metes justice…?
SouthernGent on November 23, 2009 at 10:30 AM
The way I see it, the Dems are fuct…If the RNC doesn’t hit the Dems AND Obama every day of the trial on how they are weak on terrorism, and are dragging the flag through the mud…
This is fodder for so many commercials against Obama in 2012.
Of course, that is providing the RNC stops sitting on their hands…
lovingmyUSA on November 23, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Sounds like the makings of a great MTV reality show. Let’s put Eric Holder in a house at some remote location (Gitmo maybe) along with the 9/11/01 terrorists and let the cameras roll.
highhopes on November 23, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Also from the Slate piece Ed linked…
crr6 on November 23, 2009 at 10:32 AM
To be sung by the Ft. Levenworth chapel choir during the opening ceremony of the terrorist jubilee.
highhopes on November 23, 2009 at 10:33 AM
After KSM is acquitted on a technicality, he should go into the haircare biz. He’s had every kind of longhair their is, and probably has some good advice.
RBMN on November 23, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Do we look like Mrs. Obama?
ElectricPhase on November 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Your point being? That is an opinion and that is all it is. IMO it is about the most stupid opinion on the face of the planet.
highhopes on November 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM
imagine….some true patriot military types…step up…quietly….and…next days headlines…” Terrorists die in escape attempt”…..will someone in the military please act like a adult……….PLEASE……….
JJKRN on November 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM
LOL!
SouthernGent on November 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Make that “there is,” not “their is.” I keep doing that, and I know better. Getting old is an awful thing…..
RBMN on November 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM
OMG Todd Beamer’s dad David Beamer on America’s Newswroom(Fox)8:35ish this morning MST. Just BLASTED Holder, said 2010 and 2012 will be a regime change.. I don’t know how to find the clip and post it, but it is a MUST SEE…
reshas1 on November 23, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Among other things, Obama wants the chaos now and in the future so that his can administration can continue distributin’ the wealth while no one is paying close attention.
I’d let the terrorism experts dissect this with the warning that the public can do nothing about this and that the public should turn its attention back on Obama and Congress.
BuckeyeSam on November 23, 2009 at 10:38 AM
reshas1 on November 23, 2009 at 10:38 AM
He was really really effective. A must see.
ndulik on November 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM
All of this sucks, but it’s a classic example of the saying “bad facts make bad law”. It’s not the court’s fault that the defendant they were handed was tortured.
crr6 on November 23, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Since the decision has been made, I plan to sit back and watch the show.
And it will be quite a show that disgusts people. Good for motivating people to vote out this administration, however.
AnninCA on November 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM
That’s great. But the fact that Ed has to resort to linking to people who think the trial should be held in NYC in order to support his arguments that it shouldn’t be is pretty sad.
crr6 on November 23, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Because what KSM needs is a soapbox.
Mr. Joe on November 23, 2009 at 10:45 AM
David Beamer clip starts at 8:18a to 8:28a, he talks for 10 minutes uninterupted.. Can anyone find that?
reshas1 on November 23, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Only if the media does their job and reports it accurately, which they will not. They reported the Moussaui (sp?) trial circus because Bush was in charge then. But since they sold their collective souls to elect O’bama, he’s the Teflon Don.
Del Dolemonte on November 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM
No, Ed doesn’t have to resort to linking to opponents to support his argument. His argument has been publicly supported by legal professionals, terrorism experts, the families of 9/11 victims, former prosecutors, and editorial pages for days.
Maybe he shouldn’t have linked that article. But I wouldn’t say he had to resort to linking it to support his argument. That’s just pathetic spin when you know you’re in a corner.
amerpundit on November 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM
The jihadists hate America.
The 0bama administration hates America.
A match made in hell.
2010, then impeachment.
Rebar on November 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Look up images of partial birth abortions, and the holocaust, then come back , and let me know if you still think some water on the forehead is torture. You have it waaaaaaaaay to easy in life dude. You have no idea what real torture is!
capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Golly..you would think that someone might have thought of that and mentioned it before the decision was made.
Itchee Dryback on November 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Dude, he doesn’t care. The narrative from the DNC and MoveOn.org is that KSM, responsible for killing 3,000 innocent people, was tortured and that’s bad. He’ll stick to that narrative to the end.
amerpundit on November 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Is there a message here? Yes! DO NOT TAKE PRISONERS!
MaiDee on November 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM
So I take it you’ve been waterboarded then?
crr6 on November 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Gee didn’t see that coming from a mile away.
vcferlita on November 23, 2009 at 10:50 AM
crr6 on November 23, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Don’t you understand, you idiot? These were enemy combatants engaged in a Holy War against the United States of America. They are not entitled to American rights. This is a political show, pure and simple. A show trial designed by our President and his minions to humble America and shame our previous Administration. Obama has never believed in American Exceptionalism and wants to make us into a nation as rudderless, mediocre, and morally berteft as any other nation in the world. He doesn’t care what the American people think about this propaganda exercise of Obamacare, because his plans for the leveling of the world’s playing feild are what’s important. So stop putting up the phoney arguments. Nobody’s buying them.
kingsjester on November 23, 2009 at 10:50 AM
THIS IS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY IN A LONG LONG TIME….
Another fine example of the liberals having intentions with unforeseen circumstances. Wanting to have Bush/Cheney on trial and having it blow up in their face.
When I read Dinesh D’Souza’s book, “The Enemy Within”, I couldn’t agree with him more that the main reason the U.S. was attacked by Al Queda was because of western culture(gays openly kissing, lesbianism in the open, unmarried pregnant women, pornography being accepted as normal viewing on TV, etc..etc..) This stuff is what the Fundamentalist Muslims object to bleeding into their culture. They want to stop this western disease from spreading into their countries. These terrorists are going to say why they did it, as it will be a forum. The shock will come when they condemn Hollywood as a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, and leftists as Sodomites who deserve to be burned and blown up…
This will not work out for the current administration of Godless communists and the elitist leftists. I say let the damn show begin…..
adamsmith on November 23, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Have you? Unless you’ve been waterboarded yourself, you’re just relying on the claims of others to assert that it’s torture. Which would be the same thing capejasmine is doing when he/she asserts it’s not torture.
amerpundit on November 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Actually, that’s your narrative now, or at least it was last week. You’re arguing that because KSM was tortured, the evidence obtained from that torture will be inadmissible in court.
crr6 on November 23, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Predictable.
Red Cloud on November 23, 2009 at 10:52 AM
berteft=bereft, of=on
sorry…too steamed
kingsjester on November 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM
this trial will erode our Civil Liberties, as the end result.
and the enablers of this are the ACLU and “Libertarian” idiots
jp on November 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM
I’m arguing that because he was waterboarded it’s likely he’ll find sympathetic lefties on a jury or even the bench who’ll let him go. I’m not arguing it’s actually torture, just that that’s how they perceive it.
amerpundit on November 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Maybe the terrorist are trying to go for the insanity defense. This whole thing is a joke. Now we are trying terrorist in civillian courts, what’s going to be next trying civillians in military courts. I wish there were someway to stop this madness. America is becoming a joke with these idiots in charge.
Brat4life on November 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Those who think Zerobama is not a manchurian candidate, think about this-these terrorists dont want to be acquited, they want to be made martyrs, their is no use to let them go, so how he can help them? Give them a platform for jihad…
anikol on November 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM
The decision is a gift to the right, actually. Nobody but some on the far left are interested in the old issues of 2 years ago.
It will not be a good day for Obama when this trial opens.
AnninCA on November 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM
I’m relying on the claims of Human Rights Organizations, legal experts, politicians, medical experts, military judges and intelligence officials. Who are you relying on? Sean Hannity? Bush administration officials?
crr6 on November 23, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Again, if I were a defense attorney, the first thing I’d demand for my client (after the request for writ of habeas corpus is quashed) would be a change of venue, on the presumption that there is no way KSM can get a fair trial in New York City.
KSM will get off, because his civilian rights have been violated on many levels, just as the civilian rights of those German soldiers who were imprisoned in the United States during WWII were violated.
There’s plenty of precedent for not doing what Obama and the other kids are trying to do, and they will discover what tyros they are once the trial gets underway.
unclesmrgol on November 23, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Holder and FUBO have given the right a gift. This decision is going to blow up in their faces.
ndulik on November 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Ok..if they arent going to deny their role in the attack, why the heck even put them on trial? Have them plead guilty, save some money.
becki51758 on November 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM
They already have. It appears our CIC is determended to embarrass our Nation and put NY in danger for some unseen reason.
LSUMama on November 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Only problem with this statement is that Feige never tells us why NYC would be a better alternative than other venues, or why those other venues should be disqualified from consideration. If you are going to take one person’s statement as fact, so be it. But don’t expect us to believe him.
Del Dolemonte on November 23, 2009 at 10:56 AM
“Thank you, Sir! May I have another?!”
/BHOICA
Christien on November 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Why would they? Hasn’t the Attorney General testified that an acquittal would not mean release? And Congress heard him, and Congress did not remove the case from District Court to the Supreme Court. So Congress meant the usual process to go forward through District Court and a review by the Court of Appeals. Who imposes the Exclusionary Rule on our communities anyhow? When you consider the Supreme Court’s reversal of two hundred years of precedent, awarding American due process to battlefield captures, how else can they rule, except to continue to destroy the United States in the name of “our principles”.
Chris_Balsz on November 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Every thing you say is true but it is predicated on every thing leading up to and including the trial coming off without a glitch, there are way to many variables to consider for any tangible benefits to over ride the risks involved.
fourdeucer on November 23, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Worse! I held my child in my hands, when she died. That is a torture you never recover from.
Let me as this. Where is your empathy for the victims, and their families of 9/11? What about the children who have to grow up, without a father, or mother now? What about all those parents who suffered the loss of their children? The wife, or husband who lost their spouse? Where is your empathy for the female soldier, who was beaten, and raped, or the abducted soldiers who were beheaded, and thrown out on a road somewhere? What about their parents, and spouses? Do you have any empathy for any of the torture of these poor souls, who did nothing to deserve this? Yet you sit here, and espouse sanctimonious blatherings, about waterboarding the man who planned the event, that set all of this into motion!
capejasmine on November 23, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Actually, this whole thing is beginning to look a lot like the famous Broadway play The Producers, where a scam is attempted on the investors in Springtime for Hitler, the play within the play.
But, in our case, it’s Springtime for Jihad, and we the people are the targets of the con, the title song being…
It’s Springtime for Jihad in America.
TXUS on November 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Al-Qaeda Reporters Provide Detailed Coverage of National Security Information Revealed in Open Court Criminal Prosecutions of 9/11 Terrorists http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/11/terrorist-reporters-provide-detailed.html
Mervis Winter on November 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Look for the 9/11 Five trial to lay the groundwork for new rules that will help the Feds target people who don’t like Administration policy. Will Obama take advantage of the harsher procedures, or will some future GOP President do it?
hawksruleva on November 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM
First of all, how are these “legal experts” you’re trotting out any different than the ones I can trot out? I’m not buying the word of a legal adviser for the Center for American Progress or some other Soros-funded organization. How is a legal expert who worked in the Clinton Administration any more reliable than one who worked in the Bush Administration? Because one’s a Democrat and you like Democrats?
As for these human rights organizations, give me a break. These are the same morons who will howl about Israel bombing terrorists while ignoring the Palestinian terrorists using ambulances and schools to launch attacks on Israeli neighborhoods.
Politicians? Really? Politicians are experts on what constitutes torture? They’re scoring political points.
Pathetic.
amerpundit on November 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Ahh I see. nuanced. Doesn’t this conflict with your other talking point that the defense will get a change of venue because the juror’s in NYC are too prejudiced against KSM? So you guys are now arguing that an NYC jury will be too sympathetic to KSM due to the torture, and that a NYC jury will be too hostile towards him. Coherent.
Anyway, needless to say if you think he’ll be acquitted by a jury simply because he was tortured you’re delusional. They guy is responsible for the murder of 3,000 people. He’s not a sympathetic character.
crr6 on November 23, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Whatever, as long as you’re aware that your position is on the fringe.
You’re welcome to it, but don’t try to create a false sense of parity by saying “oh, well some people think it is torture, and some don’t”. The only people who agree with you are the people who authorized the torture themselves (John Yoo, etc.)
crr6 on November 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Guilty with an explanation is for traffic court – not capital trials. Why they did it is irrelevant.
Blake on November 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM
I’m not arguing that he’ll get a change of venue. Other Republicans are. Want to talk about a lack of political coherence? Senator Jim Webb (D-WV) is attacking the decision made by his Democratic colleagues in the White House. Don’t lecture us on coherence.
Uh huh. The president’s moral leader of 20 years thinks we deserved 9/11. We just watched 13 soldiers get gunned down by a major in the military who defended suicide bombers and talked about loving death. But no, you’re right, it’s tough finding a lefty who might not think KSM’s the worst person in the world.
amerpundit on November 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Let’s just state the obvious shall we? The terrorists will use this as a platform to denounce American foreign policy and military policy in terms the Democrats and Liberals desperately wanted to do in an “truth commission” with the Bush Administration but can’t.
I wonder if this isn’t the perfect little storm for the liberals
*Bring the terrorists into court
*Have them denounce the Bush Administration and turn it into a circus
*Have their case thrown out of criminal court on a “technicality” that they didn’t have (Miranda, speedy trial, warrant, take your pick)
*BLame that on the BUsh administration for ruining their chance to prosecute their enemies
Defector01 on November 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Conservative groups should carry protest signs outside the court building saying “Shut up terrorists. President Obama already said that you are guilty and will be executed.”
scrubjay on November 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Ok, then don’t link to him when trying to argue the complete opposite of his point.
crr6 on November 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Wow. Just wow. Todd Beamer’s father was interviewed on Fox just a little bit ago. He was in the hearing and listened to Eric Holder being questioned about his decision to hold the trials in NY. He basically called for a regime change. They let him just talk and talk about his opinion of the hearing if someone has a clip.
serpentineshel on November 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Ah, another MoveOn.org talking point parroted flawlessly. They really should give you a raise, crr6.
amerpundit on November 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM
The Muslims are exactly like the Democrats. Perfidious, propagandizing, pernicious.No wonder they get along! The only difference is that the Muslims, unlike the Democrats, (especially the Arabs and Persians)had a great culture once but it has been stuck in the 8th. century by an antiquated ideology.
The Muslims are especially good in the art of judo-using our own strengths against us.
1 They used our own technology (aircraft) against us to attack the World Trade Center.
2 They then used our own (allegedly) free press against us to propagandize for favoritism and to stifle criticism through PC and “victimhood”.
3 Now, thanks to Obama-Holder, our own legal system is being used against use as a world stage to mock and ridicule us.
Thanks, Barack and Eric.
MaiDee on November 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM
And me.
I don’t notice any scarring or crippling of KSM. He seems quite cogent. I suspect his courtroom antics will belie any points you are trying to make here.
unclesmrgol on November 23, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Nice to see crr6 is out supprting the party line. Can you answer the question that Holder couldn’t?
Sen. Graham asked “Can you give me a case in United States history where a enemy combatant caught on a battlefield was tried in civilian court?”
Using Holder’s logic, the man who shot the military recruiter in Arkansas should be tried in a military tribunal. So why isn’t he?
hawksruleva on November 23, 2009 at 11:09 AM
And me. To me, if you can do it to soldiers in training, it’s not torture.
hawksruleva on November 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM
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