I hate these people. I really, really do.

They don’t care what we think. We call, we fax, we go to townhall meetings, we go to their offices…we beg, we plead…

BUT THEY DON’T CARE.

I’m really fed up. What more can we do?

They’re lying to us…unashamedly lying to our faces and trying to make US feel bad for calling them out for this ridiculous piece of crap legislation that won’t even do what is purports to do.

They make me sick. The LOT of them.

Perhaps anarchy will work; if these assholes continue like this, that may be the only recourse!

What are they afraid of?

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
–Thomas Jefferson

Do those criminal clowns look or act scared of We the People, to anyone?

vote the bums out mentality is great

but look out that window. Whomever is voted in will eventually morph in to the same sorry-ass S.O.B’s that fail to represent us now. I guess a club to the head is out of the question but seems like focusing on term limits and reducing incentives to do anything but do the will of the people would be the key..obvious man here. Place term limits and do away with the congress critters cushy health benefits for starters.

Reid on Senate’s ObamaCare bill: Hey, no worries — it’s all paid for
If you don’t have time to watch, fear not: You’ll have plenty of
opportunities in the future, as this is destined to be a staple of GOP
attack ads for……

pedestrian on November 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM

The math isn’t wrong. It’s unsustainable and it will all come crashing down, and this filthy fascist government we have, and all the Craven Criminals on Capitol Hill, will go down with it.

These scholars agree: we are seeing the bankruptcy of every Western government that has made too many big promises to too many voters regarding free healthcare and guaranteed retirement. All of it will collapse. The tatters of the promises will point to the tatters of those who made the promises — politicians — and the tatters of the system that was supposedly going to guarantee delivery of the promises.

And therefore, in the spirit of Harry Reid and the rest of the Democrats, who apparently desire debate, and realizing that I don’t know the rules of the Senate, what I think–from a “discussion” standpoint–would be best, would be for the Senate to set itself up as a Committee of the Whole and discuss the issue without any legislation at hand–so as to not have preconceived solutions cloouding the matter.

For otherwise it is not a discussion on health care per se, but on the bill, and for that no discussion is necessary if one wishes to kill the bill because one has not been convinced this is the correct solution and other solutions have not been allowed to be discussed. And it is in the refusal to look at other ways, other means, which would mean this debate, and this plaintive cry of the good Senator from Nevada, would be nothing but a sham.

Thus, the Senate should discuss the issue, without any preconceived solutions, and then issue instructions to a bipartisan committee of, say, 6-10 people (4-6 Democrats and 2-4 Republicans), who will look at the issue and come back with several proposals, each of a different kind. And then the real discussion can begin.

Absent that, what Senator Reid is talking about is a bill of a form that is already known well enough to allow someone to determine his/her stance, and thus there is no shame in not allowing “discussion”, for it would not be a real discussion on health care, nor a debate on reform, but merely a step forward for passage of a pre-selected solution, a selection that happened without discussion or debate, and a solution of a kind that for many may need no debate. Thus, refusing to go forward is not attempting to silence debate, but attempting to force a real one to be had, and thus I would encourage the Senate to take this opportunity to show that debate and discussion actually mean that, and to remove this bill from consideration so that the debate is not tainted by political considerations. Then, after having a rational discussion in the best spirit of the Enlightenment, solutions can then be brought forward.

After all, at the Constitutional Convention there were many months between introduction of the original Virginia Plan (created by none other than the immortal Madison) and the final selection of our current form of government. The Constitution was improved by real discussion, with real alternatives. And so it should be in this health care issue–instead of a ram-down of a specific solution whose time-table for adoption seems to be driven more by fears of waning political power than the needs of the Republic.

And so may final question for the Senators is this–how noble is it to bind the people of this Republic and future generations to a new system when not only is the public clearly against it, but the party that propose this new system knows that if it waits much longer it will no longer have power to act on the issue, because the people are already signaling they are going to take back the grant of power from that party, in part because of this very issue? How noble is that, indeed? Not very. It is quite a story at that. A party got power for 11 months, elected in part because of issues unrelated to this one, and it became apparent it wouldn’t likely keep that power, and decided to change the Republic forever, anyway, and to blazes with the people. If true, it seems that would be a mighty slim reed to serve as such a foundation for such a load, as well as a conception of Representation that I cannot countenance. No. Let us have a real discussion, with a real look at the issue on the floor of the Senate, a free ranging discussion, not a final desperate push to pass something that has only been discussed in detail by a very small portion of the political elite, and whose political interests the bill coincidentally favors, and that the people have indicated they do not favor.

Jeff2161 on November 21, 2009 at 5:34 PM

BRILLIANT!
Demonstrate, for me and the other readers, how much more YOUR dollar buys than this same time one year ago.
If you believe the inflation figures, you believe Harry Reid.
Since Obama is so good at blessing the loaves and fishes, why doesn’t he bless the U.S. Treasury?

I can’t decide which.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Zjg1NTJhZTViM2YwZDc4YjJlYTZkODgyNWNhOWI0Yjg=

He describes the whole shell game.

Cindy Munford on November 21, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Cindy, I forgot what state you live in. Florida???

Cybergeezer on November 21, 2009 at 4:49 PM

If there is NO inflation, you do not get a COLA. COLA is an adjustment to cover for inflation. Not a raise you are entitled to.

They have promoted the leftist agenda.
They have succeeded in having leftists elected to office.
They have successfully propagandized the population.

If a revolution were to occur, it should begin at the homes and offices of the founders and controlling executives of ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR and CNN.

They have destroyed the nation.
In any country there will always be leftist vermin in the shadows willing to take the reins of power.
In a nation of inherently conservative people, how does what we are now seeing occur?
Via the promoters and enablers in the media.

And those in power now are keenly aware of this.
Thus the loathing and panic they display over talk radio and Fox News.