Reid on Senate’s ObamaCare bill: Hey, no worries — it’s all paid for

posted at 3:18 pm on November 21, 2009 by Allahpundit

If you don’t have time to watch, fear not: You’ll have plenty of opportunities in the future, as this is destined to be a staple of GOP attack ads for years to come as costs inevitably balloon. It’s almost not worth beating up on him over a bill that’s bound to mutate again and again over the next few months as amendments are added and the conference committee goes to work on it, but if Reid’s hot to play the CBO game, let’s play it. From today’s Journal, here’s Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former McCain economic advisor — and former director of CBO:

First and foremost, neither bends the health-cost curve downward. The CBO found that the House bill fails to reduce the pace of health-care spending growth. An audit of the bill by Richard Foster, chief actuary for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, found that the pace of national health-care spending will increase by 2.1% over 10 years, or by about $750 billion. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s bill grows just as fast as the House version. In this way, the bills betray the basic promise of health-care reform: providing quality care at lower cost.

Second, each bill sets up a new entitlement program that grows at 8% annually as far as the eye can see—faster than the economy will grow, faster than tax revenues will grow, and just as fast as the already-broken Medicare and Medicaid programs. They also create a second new entitlement program, a federally run, long-term-care insurance plan.

Finally, the bills are fiscally dishonest, using every budget gimmick and trick in the book: Leave out inconvenient spending, back-load spending to disguise the true scale, front-load tax revenues, let inflation push up tax revenues, promise spending cuts to doctors and hospitals that have no record of materializing, and so on…

In short, any combination of what is moving through Congress is economically dangerous and invites the rapid acceleration of a debt crisis. It is a dramatic statement to financial markets that the federal government does not understand that it must get its fiscal house in order.

You’ll be pleased to know that the captain of the Titanic was off on the links today while Reid was busy steering the ship towards an iceberg. Exit question: How is it “Orwellian” to oppose opening debate on this crappy non-starter of a bill but not Orwellian to deliberately schedule the vote for a Saturday night, when the fewest number of Americans will be paying attention?


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I hate these people. I really, really do.

They don’t care what we think. We call, we fax, we go to townhall meetings, we go to their offices…we beg, we plead…

BUT THEY DON’T CARE.

I’m really fed up. What more can we do?

They’re lying to us…unashamedly lying to our faces and trying to make US feel bad for calling them out for this ridiculous piece of crap legislation that won’t even do what is purports to do.

They make me sick. The LOT of them.

powerpro on November 21, 2009 at 3:21 PM

In short, any combination of what is moving through Congress is economically dangerous and invites the rapid acceleration of a debt crisis.

Hey, there is a silver lining. I’ve said for months that national bankruptcy is the only way out.

lorien1973 on November 21, 2009 at 3:23 PM

I don’t know what we can do. They don’t care about 2010 or 2012. If they’re booted, they’ll just land in a cushy admin job with Obama.

They’re like the freaking suicide bombers of the political world. How do we fight an opponent who doesn’t care if he dies?

Vera on November 21, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Of course “everything is paid for.”

By our last reserves, and those of our children and grandchildren, who will curse us for not having been able to stop this traitorous act.

Oh yes, and the Chinese will pay for it too. We can only imagine what they’ll get in return.

“Crappy non-starter” it may be, but the corrupt swine in Congress will pass it, cheering loudly as they do.

Who would have thought the United States would die in our lifetimes? Worse, that it would be destroyed from within.

The ghosts of the Soviet Union are smiling on the Senate today, for even if Lenin, Stalin and Khruschev couldn’t do it, those alleged “Americans” who will bury us have done the filthy deed for them.

MrScribbler on November 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM

You lie.

fogw on November 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM

This bill is so popular and so self-evident that the Dems have no choice but to vote on it’s measures essentially under cover of darkness………

The Founders would be so proud.

Techie on November 21, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Why does Obama have time to golf, but not have time for our troops and to decide what to do about Afghanistan?

Skywise on November 21, 2009 at 3:25 PM

How can a country that elects the likes of Reid, Pelosi and Obama to lead it survive for any extended period of time?

rplat on November 21, 2009 at 3:25 PM

powerpro on November 21, 2009 at 3:21 PM

with you there friend…

glad our dear leader had time to play a round, wouldn’t want him to feel like he has to work or something…

cmsinaz on November 21, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Well thank you Michelle Obama… for the first time in my life I’m DISGUSTED with my country.

Thank you. Really… have Obama make us all work for your benevolent leadership.

Skywise on November 21, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Hey

When God is in office, everything’s free!

blatantblue on November 21, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Why does Obama have time to golf, but not have time for our troops and to decide what to do about Afghanistan?

He has time when he needs a photo op. The b@stard.

How can a country that elects the likes of Reid, Pelosi and Obama to lead it survive for any extended period of time?

It can’t. But this is what America chose. We have a tough lesson to learn.

ErinF on November 21, 2009 at 3:29 PM

There is a reason Mr. Reid that you pull this shi* on a weekend.

CWforFreedom on November 21, 2009 at 3:29 PM

blatantblue on November 21, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Alleluia!

cmsinaz on November 21, 2009 at 3:29 PM

It can’t. But this is what America chose. We have a tough lesson to learn.

ErinF on November 21, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Yep.

Damned shame.

Hawkins1701 on November 21, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I honestly don’t know why they waited until today… Just pass it now. It’s obvious they don’t care what we think. It’s obvious we’ve lost control of the government to special interests.

Why hide under the false cover of rule of law when they’re blatantly disregarding it?

ROGUE
GOVERNMENT

Skywise on November 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Wait. You mean to tell me the “Call your Senator or Member of Congress and threaten them with getting voted out if they don’t heed your call to vote against this!11!!!” didn’t work?

*shocking*

The anger and frustration could be VERY effective, but it’s being channeled incorrectly.

The same folks that will try to shout me down on here and silence me are the same folks (that didnt have tickets) that shouted Sarah Palin in that video posted the other day…

NoStoppingUs on November 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Per a post on AOSHQ:

somebody from Grassley’s office says “there’s no stopping it. All we can do is try to make it less of a disaster.”

powerpro on November 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM

The government has become our greatest enemy.

darwin on November 21, 2009 at 3:36 PM

How could anybody argue with what he’s saying…he’s reading right off that official looking printed poster.

AUINSC on November 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM

It’s all paid for, but unfortunately the money is in our grandchildren’s paychecks.

cs89 on November 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM

We need a rogue meteor to hit the Capitol building. I wish I were kidding.

SouthernGent on November 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM

We need a rogue meteor to hit the Capitol building. I wish I were kidding.

SouthernGent on November 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Accidents do happen…

Hawkins1701 on November 21, 2009 at 3:38 PM

It is a dramatic statement to financial markets that the federal government does not understand that it must get its fiscal house in order.

No.

It shows that the federal government does understand that it does not have to keep its fiscal house in order.

Why must it keep its economic house in order? Because the few citizens paying attention to their actions will whine and complain? So what?

Because they’ll be voted out? LOL!

It’s a ship of arrogant fools and Evil has the con.

ROCnPhilly on November 21, 2009 at 3:40 PM

This makes me so furious. The people that are supposed to represent us do not listen to us.

I am NOT voting for ANY incumbent next election. Not one. Because even if they didn’t vote for it, they didn’t fight against it.

And I realize that my county dog catcher had nothing to do with this, but everyone that is in office has to go.

cibolo on November 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

We need a rogue meteor to hit the Capitol building. I wish I were kidding.

SouthernGent on November 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I hear ya … believe me, many, many people feel the same way.

darwin on November 21, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Why does Obama have time to golf, but not have time for our troops and to decide what to do about Afghanistan?

Skywise on November 21, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Nero fiddles, Rome burns.
History repeats itself.

uncivilized on November 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Sadly, America’s getting the politicians it deserves. Only severe pain will teach our idiotic fellow citizens the truth.

OhioCoastie on November 21, 2009 at 3:54 PM

By their logic, you should be able to get out of debt by buying a house.

BDavis on November 21, 2009 at 3:57 PM

“Here on this screen i’ve got the plan to destroy America.”

the_nile on November 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Any senator who votes yea tonight is voting yea for the bill. Let ‘em know that YOU know.

Jim Treacher on November 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM

I am outraged too. I wish there was something I could do. It’s sad to see the country go down like this.

Brat4life on November 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM

LETS VOTE ALL INCUMBENTS OUT!1!1 IM SO FURIOUS THAT MITCH MCCONNELL DID NOT STOP THIS BILL, EVEN THOUGH HE HAS NO POWER TO STOP IT!1!!1!1 LETS ELECT ALL FRESHMAN REPUBLICANS TO MATCH UP AGAINST DEMOCRAT LAWMAKERS WHO HAVE BEEN IN WASHINGTON FOR DECADES SO REPUBLICANS CAN BE OUT MANEUVERED AT EVERY TURN!

Naive and ignorant, period.

NoStoppingUs on November 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM

I fail to understand what “opening debate” really means, and I’m guessing most Americans do too. Why is this something that needs a vote, and what would happen if they voted No? Could someone explain it to me?

pifactorial on November 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Sadly, America’s getting the politicians it deserves. Only severe pain will teach our idiotic fellow citizens the truth.

OhioCoastie on November 21, 2009 at 3:54 PM

If only it were that easy. All the problems will be blamed on Republicans. Truth is irrelevant.

pedestrian on November 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM

It will pass. They don’t care if they lose their jobs or not. The question is, can we reverse the damage?

txag92 on November 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM

No.

It shows that the federal government does understand that it does not have to keep its fiscal house in order.

Why must it keep its economic house in order? Because the few citizens paying attention to their actions will whine and complain? So what?

Because they’ll be voted out? LOL!

It’s a ship of arrogant fools and Evil has the con.

ROCnPhilly on November 21, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Carter and his congress thought so too , but I think reality will make a inconvenient clue finding visit in the end.
They’re just rearranging newly bought deckchairs.

the_nile on November 21, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Any senator who votes yea tonight is voting yea for the bill. Let ‘em know that YOU know.

Jim Treacher on November 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM

I don’t know, Treacher.

After all, the “I voted for the bill before I voted against it” defense worked great for Kerry.

powerpro on November 21, 2009 at 4:03 PM

If only it were that easy. All the problems will be blamed on Republicans. Truth is irrelevant.

pedestrian on November 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM

I don’t think that will work next year.

the_nile on November 21, 2009 at 4:04 PM

“All were asking today is to have a debate on it… What are they afraid of?”

This bill was written behind closed doors by the progressives’ favorite lobbyists, and posted online only days ago. You lie about its costs, about its rationing of care, and about its blatant intrusion into our most private lives.

What are YOU afraid of, you slimy little worm?

Rae on November 21, 2009 at 4:04 PM

‘What are they afraid of?’

When I see a light at the end of a long, unfamiliar tunnel that is managed by untrustworthy folks and I hear that sound of churning, churning, churning…..

I am afraid of a freight train running over me. And killing my way of life.

clorensen on November 21, 2009 at 4:06 PM

I don’t think that will work next year.

the_nile on November 21, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Republicans will need 60 Senators and a President to get rid of this crap. And by then another 16% of all Americans will be members of the SEIU.

Those of us who are alive now are the last ones that will ever remember what the idea of limited government was about.

pedestrian on November 21, 2009 at 4:08 PM

They don’t care what we think. We call, we fax, we go to townhall meetings, we go to their offices…we beg, we plead…

BUT THEY DON’T CARE.

I’m really fed up. What more can we do?

They’re lying to us…unashamedly lying to our faces and trying to make US feel bad for calling them out for this ridiculous piece of crap legislation that won’t even do what is purports to do.

They make me sick. The LOT of them.

powerpro on November 21, 2009 at 3:21 PM

someone call Dick Morris, we got the perfect ad for him to run. Right from the heart.

Daemonocracy on November 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM

YEA! Here comes another entitlement program so a bunch of lazy pigs won’t have to pay for something… this time, health care. I’ll pay for it out of my hard-earned money… no worries… you just go back to eating that bag of Cheetos and watching your mindless reality and celebrity programs on your big-ass television you lazy piece of $hit.

These Democrats are treasonous.

I wish a slow painful death on every one of them — just like the one that fat bastard Kennedy got — for what they’re doing to my country and for how they worked to undermine our war on terror during the last administration.

Slow.

and.

Painful.

There, now I feel a little better.

D2Boston on November 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM

I overheard a bunch of regular people saying the next “Revolution” will not be peaceful…………

Is that It will take to be heard????

1luckydogg on November 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Hey, no worries — it’s all paid for!

The people from the land down under [or Australia for those of you folks in Rio Linda reading this thread] probably don’t appreciate anyone using the phrase “no worries” when the opposite applies.

In the decades to come and for the American generations yet to come after that, people won’t be able to remember the names that are attached or responsible for passing this legislation. Why is that? Ask & answer for yourself without looking it up – Who was the democrat Speaker of the House or Senate Majority leader when FDR was president of the US. Ask & answer for yourself without looking it up – Who was the democrat Speaker of the House or Senate Majority leader when LBJ was president of the US.

The congress people in charge now are not worried about the future generations remembering them. It’s because this whole sham will be remembered as the “When BHO was president of the US.” Yep, foreign history book readers will recognize that this was a time in American history when a superpower was transformed into a third world country.

Americannodash on November 21, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Those of us who are alive now are the last ones that will ever remember what the idea of limited government was about.

pedestrian on November 21, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Not true at all. A complete economic and government collapse is inevitable.

And even those who believe, as I do, that the chances of success in such efforts are extremely small can take heart from the knowledge that ultimately this criminal enterprise will attain such bloated size and scope that its own survival will no longer be possible, and it will implode, as the Soviet Union and other similarly overreaching politico-economic orders have imploded. Governments that grow and grow ultimately find that their predation becomes greater than their prey can support, at which point such predators are doomed. Thus, the present system of government in this country and many others contains the seeds of its own destruction…

Rae on November 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM

I overheard a bunch of regular people saying the next “Revolution” will not be peaceful…………

Is that It will take to be heard????

1luckydogg on November 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
-
We’ve already seen a near riot at UCLA this week.

http://www.breitbart.tv/raw-footage-32-inflation-in-ucla-tuition-causes-riots/

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

diogenes on November 21, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Rae on November 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM

The USSR collapsed only because there was the West to compare it to. With the US sinking into socialism, there will be no reason for people to think there is a better way, and people will give more and more control of their lives to the government. The US was able escape from feudalism only because there was a new continent available to be settled at just the right time in the development of the enlightenment. That won’t happen again, and without new land, a system where the state takes the role of the feudal lord will not be able to be overturned.

pedestrian on November 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM

If you don’t have time to watch, fear not: You’ll have plenty of opportunities in the future, as this is destined to be a staple of GOP attack ads for years to come as costs inevitably balloon.

Unacceptable.

I’m not kidding.

If we really think this, then @#$% us if we sit by and let it happen.

Our forefathers are ashamed.

Midas on November 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Is that It will take to be heard????

1luckydogg on November 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Yes. That’s what it’s going to take.

Midas on November 21, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Duh, yea; I’ve heard this health care bill will pay me for being sick, too; Is that right Harry?

Cybergeezer on November 21, 2009 at 4:42 PM

People have always understood that freedom cannot last when people start raiding the treasury to pay themselves with other peoples’ money. The talk of taxing high income people to pay for this and that program is the incarnation of the end of freedom.

pedestrian on November 21, 2009 at 4:43 PM

These scumbags have already given themselves a raise this year, vetoed any COLA for Social Security, and approved a %16 increase in healthcare premiums for retirees.
THEY ARE LYING THIEVES!

Cybergeezer on November 21, 2009 at 4:49 PM

It will pass. They don’t care if they lose their jobs or not. The question is, can we reverse the damage?

txag92 on November 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Good question. It seems to me the Republicans ought to be really strategizing on how to roll this back after 2010. I think there’s a good chance they will have a majority in the House by then and they should be thinking about how to take this travesty apart piece by piece. If the entitlements don’t start until 2013, then it seems to me they still have time. Especially if we elect a conservative President in 2012, this bill might be killed after it becomes law. They will be heroes for killing the taxes and coming up with a better plan after repeal.

Christian Conservative on November 21, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Can’t wait to see Reid cry during his concession speech next November.

WordsMatter on November 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM

When you pick someone’s pocket you can pay for anything. We are afraid you and your co-conspirators are going to take over and ration our health care.

Kissmygrits on November 21, 2009 at 5:11 PM

In short, any combination of what is moving through Congress is economically dangerous and invites the rapid acceleration of a debt crisis. It is a dramatic statement to financial markets that the federal government does not understand that it must get its fiscal house in order.

Not according to my senator. It’s my health insurance premiums and the cost of treatment that will bankrupt the nation. As a matter of fact I don’t even think he mentioned the uninsured.

Cindy Munford on November 21, 2009 at 5:21 PM

I primarily blame the leftist media.

They have promoted the leftist agenda.
They have succeeded in having leftists elected to office.
They have successfully propagandized the population.

If a revolution were to occur, it should begin at the homes and offices of the founders and controlling executives of ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR and CNN.

They have destroyed the nation.
In any country there will always be leftist vermin in the shadows willing to take the reins of power.
In a nation of inherently conservative people, how does what we are now seeing occur?
Via the promoters and enablers in the media.

And those in power now are keenly aware of this.
Thus the loathing and panic they display over talk radio and Fox News.

justltl on November 21, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Cybergeezer on November 21, 2009 at 4:49 PM

If there is NO inflation, you do not get a COLA. COLA is an adjustment to cover for inflation. Not a raise you are entitled to.

Jeff2161 on November 21, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Cindy Munford on November 21, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Cindy, I forgot what state you live in. Florida???

yoda on November 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Just think if those 17-20 million americans were working…How many uninsured would we have? Congress: You should be first in line for this wonderful, utopian ideal.

Jeff2161 on November 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM

If I were a young reporter, I would try to ferret out the puppetmasters of the media.
The general topic would also make a nice novel-
good for secretive bedtime reading in the not too distant future.

justltl on November 21, 2009 at 5:38 PM

In the Senate today: Judd Gregg talks about the real cost of ReidSCare.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Zjg1NTJhZTViM2YwZDc4YjJlYTZkODgyNWNhOWI0Yjg=

He describes the whole shell game.

onlineanalyst on November 21, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Either he’s lying through his teeth or he’s truly delusional as to the costs of this disaster in the making.

I can’t decide which.

Yakko77 on November 21, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Jeff2161 on November 21, 2009 at 5:34 PM

BRILLIANT!
Demonstrate, for me and the other readers, how much more YOUR dollar buys than this same time one year ago.
If you believe the inflation figures, you believe Harry Reid.
Since Obama is so good at blessing the loaves and fishes, why doesn’t he bless the U.S. Treasury?

Cybergeezer on November 21, 2009 at 5:55 PM

LET THE DEMOCRATS OWN IT!

GarandFan on November 21, 2009 at 6:02 PM

You know, I actually like debate, for as one translation I’ve seen of Pericles goes, “We think ideas improved by discussion.” And, as one involved in a business of coming up with ideas and turning them into reality, one often does one’s self best if one first brainstorms and does a free ranging discussion, then comes up with several different alternative solutions to a problem–each of a fundamentally different form–and then, after comparing them to each other and the problem at hand, proceeds forward with another discussion to narrow down one’s options.

And therefore, in the spirit of Harry Reid and the rest of the Democrats, who apparently desire debate, and realizing that I don’t know the rules of the Senate, what I think–from a “discussion” standpoint–would be best, would be for the Senate to set itself up as a Committee of the Whole and discuss the issue without any legislation at hand–so as to not have preconceived solutions cloouding the matter.

For otherwise it is not a discussion on health care per se, but on the bill, and for that no discussion is necessary if one wishes to kill the bill because one has not been convinced this is the correct solution and other solutions have not been allowed to be discussed. And it is in the refusal to look at other ways, other means, which would mean this debate, and this plaintive cry of the good Senator from Nevada, would be nothing but a sham.

Thus, the Senate should discuss the issue, without any preconceived solutions, and then issue instructions to a bipartisan committee of, say, 6-10 people (4-6 Democrats and 2-4 Republicans), who will look at the issue and come back with several proposals, each of a different kind. And then the real discussion can begin.

Absent that, what Senator Reid is talking about is a bill of a form that is already known well enough to allow someone to determine his/her stance, and thus there is no shame in not allowing “discussion”, for it would not be a real discussion on health care, nor a debate on reform, but merely a step forward for passage of a pre-selected solution, a selection that happened without discussion or debate, and a solution of a kind that for many may need no debate. Thus, refusing to go forward is not attempting to silence debate, but attempting to force a real one to be had, and thus I would encourage the Senate to take this opportunity to show that debate and discussion actually mean that, and to remove this bill from consideration so that the debate is not tainted by political considerations. Then, after having a rational discussion in the best spirit of the Enlightenment, solutions can then be brought forward.

After all, at the Constitutional Convention there were many months between introduction of the original Virginia Plan (created by none other than the immortal Madison) and the final selection of our current form of government. The Constitution was improved by real discussion, with real alternatives. And so it should be in this health care issue–instead of a ram-down of a specific solution whose time-table for adoption seems to be driven more by fears of waning political power than the needs of the Republic.

And so may final question for the Senators is this–how noble is it to bind the people of this Republic and future generations to a new system when not only is the public clearly against it, but the party that propose this new system knows that if it waits much longer it will no longer have power to act on the issue, because the people are already signaling they are going to take back the grant of power from that party, in part because of this very issue? How noble is that, indeed? Not very. It is quite a story at that. A party got power for 11 months, elected in part because of issues unrelated to this one, and it became apparent it wouldn’t likely keep that power, and decided to change the Republic forever, anyway, and to blazes with the people. If true, it seems that would be a mighty slim reed to serve as such a foundation for such a load, as well as a conception of Representation that I cannot countenance. No. Let us have a real discussion, with a real look at the issue on the floor of the Senate, a free ranging discussion, not a final desperate push to pass something that has only been discussed in detail by a very small portion of the political elite, and whose political interests the bill coincidentally favors, and that the people have indicated they do not favor.

Horatius on November 21, 2009 at 6:10 PM

pedestrian on November 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM

The math isn’t wrong. It’s unsustainable and it will all come crashing down, and this filthy fascist government we have, and all the Craven Criminals on Capitol Hill, will go down with it.

These scholars agree: we are seeing the bankruptcy of every Western government that has made too many big promises to too many voters regarding free healthcare and guaranteed retirement. All of it will collapse. The tatters of the promises will point to the tatters of those who made the promises — politicians — and the tatters of the system that was supposedly going to guarantee delivery of the promises.

Rae on November 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Harry Reid is a lying SOB.

bluegrass on November 21, 2009 at 8:48 PM

I think the whole

vote the bums out mentality is great

but look out that window. Whomever is voted in will eventually morph in to the same sorry-ass S.O.B’s that fail to represent us now. I guess a club to the head is out of the question but seems like focusing on term limits and reducing incentives to do anything but do the will of the people would be the key..obvious man here. Place term limits and do away with the congress critters cushy health benefits for starters.

m0nkeyb0y on November 21, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Dohh. New at this.

m0nkeyb0y on November 21, 2009 at 9:51 PM

THIS is the type of stupidity that there is in congress.
Watch this video from California 23rd District’s Lois Capp’s Town Hall meeting at Bethel African Methodist-Episcopal “Church” (can we say BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY?) in Oxnard CA on 4 September, 2009.
MY question was asked on 2:38 of the video and you can also hear me yell “Answer the Question”
by the way, don’t laugh at Capps, most idiots in Congress have never read the Constitution either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB3bEcXyf_k

nelsonknows on November 21, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Reid is one the biggest enemies of freedom that this country has ever known.

Dopenstrange on November 21, 2009 at 11:18 PM

It’s paid for with the Democrat slush fund which happens to be OUR TAX REVENUE;
Here is an article on who is getting paid and how much just to get the bill to debate; And the spending hasn’t even started for the actual bill itself:
The Demcare bribe list
By Michelle Malkin • November 20, 2009 11:17 AM

Cybergeezer on November 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM

What are they afraid of?

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
–Thomas Jefferson

Do those criminal clowns look or act scared of We the People, to anyone?

Rae on November 22, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Debate all you want. Then we can single out the liars come election time.

johnnyU on November 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I hate these people. I really, really do.

They don’t care what we think. We call, we fax, we go to townhall meetings, we go to their offices…we beg, we plead…

BUT THEY DON’T CARE.

I’m really fed up. What more can we do?

They’re lying to us…unashamedly lying to our faces and trying to make US feel bad for calling them out for this ridiculous piece of crap legislation that won’t even do what is purports to do.

They make me sick. The LOT of them.

Perhaps anarchy will work; if these assholes continue like this, that may be the only recourse!

jgdp on November 22, 2009 at 10:09 PM

These guys seem to think that raising taxes by hundreds of billions of dollars, is something to be proud of!

MarkTheGreat on November 23, 2009 at 8:55 AM