Lincoln warns Reid: Drop the public option or next time I’ll filibuster
posted at 4:20 pm on November 21, 2009 by Allahpundit
Today’s moment of truth, courtesy of Greg Hengler. The cave-in comes at the beginning followed by the public-option ultimatum at 3:15. She hit all the points predicted by Jay Cost, i.e. we need reform but maybe not this kind of reform but let’s debate it anyway ’cause I’m a free-thinkin’ moderate, but I’m surprised at how dug in she seemed to be about a public plan. It’ll be hard for her to cave on the next cloture vote having thrown down the gauntlet in a setting as visible as this.
Will today’s “compromise” earn her any goodwill with conservatives? Judging from Palin’s latest tweet, I’m going to guess no:
Not sure I can convince Sen. Lincoln to vote no – but will do everything in my pwr to convince my friends in Arkansas to vote against her.
I was going to give you the clip of Landrieu too, but if she can’t even figure out who it was who first accused her of being bought — hint: not “very partisan Republican bloggers” — then she’s not worth listening to.
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Liar. Voting “no” would have made him start over. Liar. Liar. Liar.
Marcus on November 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Why, sure he’ll drop it, only to put it back in later.
ddrintn on November 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Jane Hathaway is in the senate?
LASue on November 21, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Oh, yeah. Next time…Come on Blanche what do you want?
d1carter on November 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Sniff. Sniff. I smell something burning… oh, it’s Senator Lincoln’s career going up in flames.
parteagirl on November 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Landrieu’s not too concerned. She’s not up for re-election until 2014. By then, she should have been able to funnel a good chunk of that $300 million into the right pockets in Louisiana to assure her another six years, if she wants it.
notropis on November 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Liar, liar pants on fire.
Knucklehead on November 21, 2009 at 4:26 PM
She’s full of shit. The democraps are about to fulfill the wet dream of leftists around the globe: Socialized Medicine. They aren’t going to let this stupid flake get in her way
MyImamToldMeToDoIt on November 21, 2009 at 4:27 PM
I’ve got this feeling she’s not being very truthful.
darwin on November 21, 2009 at 4:27 PM
If Lincoln and Nelson (NE) can’t be knocked off in 2010, then the Republicans (and probably the republic) are doomed.
notropis on November 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM
She’s lying about there not being anything from the Republicans. And other items, as well. I couldn’t listen to the whole thing because she’s pandering to the Democrat base.
Cybergeezer on November 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Yeah right.
Just like that fat, bloated pig Landrieu’s YES vote came with “conditions” and “dire warnings”.
David2.0 on November 21, 2009 at 4:29 PM
WHATEVAHS
angryed on November 21, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I suspect that this “soul searching” by Nelson, Bayh, Landrieu and Lincoln was all Kabuki theatre staged to give the voters back home the impression that they were thinking this through. I bet their votes were there all along.
On Thursday, Durbin said Reid knew how Lincoln was voting. Then a little while later he backed off and said it wasn’t sure.
I expect the “well, it’s not a perfect bill, but health care is too important to wait [unlike the troops in Afghanistan] so I’ll vote for final passage. I hope to ‘improve’ it in the future” excuse will be offered by red state Dem senators and Blue Dogs in the House.
Wethal on November 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Almost…from the wiki entry for Nancy “Jane Hathaway” Culp:
Del Dolemonte on November 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
The ones who don’t know a weaselly liar when they see one, maybe.
Jim Treacher on November 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Oops, Kulp.
Del Dolemonte on November 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
The Democrats, and Ted Kennedy, are the sole reason that there is ANY healthcare legislation being jammed through committee now.
She lied about “the people” wanting change. “The people” mean her party elders.
Cybergeezer on November 21, 2009 at 4:31 PM
She’s lying. If she had any convictions, she’d have stopped the bill dead in its tracks today.
SouthernGent on November 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM
They dropped it to get Snowe’s vote, then put it back in.
When Boehner asked twice if the Stupak amendment would be in the final bill, the Dems refused to say that it would be.
Wethal on November 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM
“…………I expect the “well, it’s not a perfect bill, but health care is too important to wait [unlike the troops in Afghanistan] so I’ll vote for final passage…….”
Wethal on November 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
I’m waiting for one of them to say they have to get this voted on before they can devote any time to Afghanistan.
Cybergeezer on November 21, 2009 at 4:35 PM
This is a prime example of face-saving at its finest. She will no more vote against this bill – public option or no – than Pa Kettle Reid will. This way, it makes it sound like an oh-so-difficult decision that she just hated to make, but did with “reservations”, etc.
uncivilized on November 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM
THATS MY SENATOR!
she’s going DOWN in 2010. way to reject 65-70% of your constituents!
already has the secretary of agriculture job lined up
if a gop did it, there would be tv ads everywhere on the ‘corrupt bargain’
battleoflepanto1571 on November 21, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Number 60 speaks? Are you channeling R. C. Byrd?
clorensen on November 21, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Yeah, this is just bullsh1t. Song and dance, nothing more. She’ll vote like she’s told/paid to vote, and this thing will pass in the end.
Midas on November 21, 2009 at 4:39 PM
He doesn’t NEED you babe… He only needs 50 votes to pass it.
But then you knew that already, eh?
Skywise on November 21, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Well….now we know how much each vote in the Senate is worth!
Given how nicely this worked out for the holdouts….Just imagine how many more there might be when they start counting votes for passage! I’m guessing a few billion more in pork will get tacked on before the fraud in the White House gets to autograph it.
GoldenEagle4444 on November 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM
I will believe it when I see it.
What about Lieberman? He said he would filibuster a public option and I tend to have more faith in what he says.
Terrye on November 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Skywise:
I am not so sure about that. I think they have one more cloture vote on this thing. I will admit, I get a bit confused about some of the Senate rules, they are a lot more complicated than the House.
Terrye on November 21, 2009 at 4:42 PM
The Lincoln who freed the slaves is rolling over in his grave today.
technopeasant on November 21, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Affirmative.
Saltysam on November 21, 2009 at 4:44 PM
And none of them will be held accountable when it balloons out of control and seniors have NO Medicare. Pond scum, all of them.
ultracon on November 21, 2009 at 4:46 PM
I don’t believe her..all BS. Party lapdog, no convictions.
Wade on November 21, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Lieberman is too wishy washy, he is voting ‘yes’ to open discussion. If he had any honor he would switch parties and get off the fence.
Wade on November 21, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Yes, they do need another 60 for cloture. Unless Harry pulls reconciliation tricks, which he had previously said he wouldn’t. But then who trusts him?
Wethal on November 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
She did a Kerry. Voted for before voting against it. How dare these people vote AGAINST the people. They’ve now go the votes. Looks like we’ve lost.
“We’re all Socialists now.”
RATS!!!!!
Annie on November 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
I believe her pants are indeed on fire.
Hawkins1701 on November 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
That’s right, Wade.
Like the KSM show trial, this is nothing more than a show debate.
Barry’s Big Medical System is guaranteed to pass.
Rae on November 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Please.
I’m voting yes now, but if you don’t do what I want tomorrow, why, I’ll stand up to you!
Really!
Stop laughing!
Dark Eden on November 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM
YOU LIE!
BYE,BYE!
dhunter on November 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM
All theatrics.
The Democrats have to have some token opposition to give the appearance that it is not rammed through.
Throw $50-100 million to Lincoln way and Reid can buy her out, too.
albill on November 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Big Missouri Billboard Calls For Second American Revolution
http://www.alan.com/2009/11/20/prepare-for-war/ ^
Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:48:50 PM by quesney
A new billboard off of Interstate 70 in Missouri provides a short “citizens guide to REVOLUTION of a corrupt government” and issues a call to “PREPARE FOR WAR.”
It reads:
1. Starve the Beast. Keep your money.
2. Vote out incumbents.
3. If steps 1 & 2 fail….
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2391667/posts
It’s time to take drastic measures…
Annie on November 21, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Principled Democrats and Catholics:
“I won’t vote for a Public option”
“I won’t for public funded abortion”
Joe Wilson:
YOU LIE!
Voters:
Bye, Bye!
Lets make 2010 the year of accountability I don’t care how long your Congress Critter or Senate Scumbag has been in office or what committee they sit on or how many roads, buildings, and parks they have named after them:
VOTE THE BUMS OUT!
dhunter on November 21, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Senator Lincoln is up for re-election in 2010. Her actions today have recruited a volunteer for her dem primary challenger, me.
I will, for the 1st time, also donate money to a dem — her challenger — as well as to her opponent in the general election.
Senator Pryor is up for re-election in 2014. His turn is coming…
Gohawgs on November 21, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Somebody enlighten me: this vote was to begin debate but there will be another to end debate, is that correct?
cadams on November 21, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Great comment over at
Michelle Malkin:
Hawkins1701 on November 21, 2009 at 5:00 PM
do it or I will remove my scarf
tomas on November 21, 2009 at 5:01 PM
it doesnt matter if lieberman, lincoln or any other these sellout scumbag filibusters it
this was the only vote where they need 60
they only need 50 now, and they have 50. why cant people get it through their heads. this was their plan all along. just get 60 so we can “debate” it. then we have it
and now these blue lap dogs who voted yes today will vote no on the actual bill and will say “see see, i voted no”
mary landfill should be put in prison. the louisiana purchase was blatant political corruption for everyone to see. she is a disgrace
this is the end of america as we know it
sickening
sidewinder22 on November 21, 2009 at 5:03 PM
What she’s announcing is that it’s going to take a MUCH bigger bribe next time.
michaelo on November 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM
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Indeed. In order to excuse her vote the usual line will be that she was “deeply troubled”.
diogenes on November 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM
I guess it is why i’m not a dem, but I don’t understand how they believe this will help anyone.
tomas on November 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM
She voted for it before she voted against it.
EMD on November 21, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Everyone needs to email every friend and family member and let them know what has transpired. We have all paid a bribe to Louisiana. We will pay and pay. This is disgusting. Where is the outrage, America? They are doing all they can to assure the election of Governor Sarah Palin to the POTUS. Wake up, people!
bloggless on November 21, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Pathetic.
Metro on November 21, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Thanks for your post – can you explain the 50 vote issue? I heard that once they pass this 60 vote open-debate hurdle, Reid can get this passed with only 50 votes, but no one is covering this.
LASue on November 21, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Suprise!
Rode Werk on November 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Did everyone’s Senators send them return emails with all the obligatory statements about health care costs bankrupting the country? Why do they never answer the very simple questions put to them? If there is so much savings to be had in Medicaid and Medicare, why wasn’t it done all along? Why do Democrats ignore the issue of allowing competition and tort reform? They don’t even bother to come up with their usual b.s. answers as far as I can tell they stick their fingers in their ears and say lalallalalala, like children. I’ve called and I have written, they don’t care. I hope I can encourage enough people to vote them out, it’s the only way.
Cindy Munford on November 21, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Does anyone else get the sense that it’s the people and Palin against the Statists?
WordsMatter on November 21, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Gutless Liar.
royzer on November 21, 2009 at 5:16 PM
I wonder if the GOP get control of congress, can they eliminate this bill?
royzer on November 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Let the shoes start flying!!!!!
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM
The ‘public option’ is in there now and she is giving an ostensible ‘Yes” vote, but she’ll be different next time.
Yeah.
Sure.
catmman on November 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Because they don’t give a sh_t about you or your opinion. This is what it’s come to with most of our elected officials. Hell, Palin has more guts in her pinky than all of the politicians on Capitol Hill combined. She left fans in the dust yesterday without signing their books and then manned up and profusely apologized to them within a couple of hours.
WordsMatter on November 21, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Terrye on November 21, 2009 at 4:42 PM
At least two more major votes for the Senate, one more for the House: To end debate and vote, and then, in both houses, to pass the bill that emerges from conference.
Here’s a recent roadmap from Keith Hennessey, one of the best if not the best color-commentators on the whole thing – also explaining why he puts the odds of final passage of a comprehensive bill at 50/50:
http://keithhennessey.com/2009/11/18/updated-health-care-projections/
CK MacLeod on November 21, 2009 at 5:23 PM
This is my letter to the Arkansas Democrat Gazette and the WSJ last week. I followed this up with letters to two of Lincoln’s potential opponents in Nov.
DerKrieger on November 21, 2009 at 5:24 PM
I’ll bet she’s upset *her* state didn’t get declared a disaster area 7 years running. Cah-CHING.
DarthBrooks on November 21, 2009 at 5:27 PM
I’m ready for an armed rebellion. It’s obvious that these Democrats don’t fear us and believe that passing their health care takeover will only cause them short term losses but will guarantee long term power and eventual passage of their entire Marxist agenda. They NEVER stop trying to advance their agenda.
They must be politically destroyed so they can no longer harm this nation. I hope some Red states either move to secede or simply ignore any federal law their legislature and governor deem unconstitutional, a practice called nullification.
DerKrieger on November 21, 2009 at 5:28 PM
The GOP senators have it right. The time to vote against this monstrosity is NOW.
She’s lying through her teeth. BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.
dogsoldier on November 21, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Reminds me of another Blanche. In Streetcar Named Desire.
“I’ve always gotten by on the kindness of strangers.”
Soon, she’ll be a stranger to the voters.
TXUS on November 21, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Once they begin the debate they only need 50 to pass it. But, should a filibuster break out, that requires 60 votes to overcome and move to final passage.
That is what Liebermann meant by saying he would be joining in a filibuster with the GOP………he’s #60. If he follows through he can stop this thing. If…..
JoeinTX on November 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM
***
FREE BEER TOMORROW!!–the democRAT “battle” cry
***
Oh–by the way–tomorrow never comes. It’s always today. However, an election is coming in 2010–followed by one in 2012. Get ready for the “funemployment” lines then senators–you are “on the radar” now. TSUNAMI COMING!
***
John Bibb
***
rocketman on November 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Did you notice the speech she gave was written? Harry Reid probably wrote it for her.
Cybergeezer on November 21, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Here’s another nice summary of the road ahead.
notropis on November 21, 2009 at 5:42 PM
I wonder if the GOP get control of congress, can they eliminate this bill?
royzer on November 21, 2009 at 5:18 PM
The killer taxes start right away and the killer care 4 yrs later. The care part is already insitu and it’s called Medicaid. It won’t be reversed. We could boot it up to the Supreme Court where we’d win but by then it’ll be too late. These marxists mean business. Sometimes I even wonder if we’ll ever get them out as they act like they’re gods who know what’s best for us. Still I’m not going down without a fight – a huge fight.
Annie on November 21, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Lincoln’s lieutenants:
Chief of Staff: Elizabeth Burks – Elizabeth_Burks@lincoln.senate.gov
Legislative Director: Jim Stowers – Jim_Stowers@lincoln.senate.gov
DerKrieger on November 21, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Buy weapons and lots of ammunition.
If these damn Marxists want to live in a socialist state why can’t they simply support federalism. Then all of their states can become CA, MI, NY and they can leave ours alone.
DerKrieger on November 21, 2009 at 5:45 PM
http://www.facesofgovernmenthealthcare.com/
Hawkins1701 on November 21, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Annie, I feel that the absolute Hell this thing will be for those working in and using the health industry will be something to behold. All courtesy of your Federal Government.
In 2013, if this thing does go through and the next Congress can not do anything substantice to stop it, the reality of the fines, regulations, cuts, etc. will be bloody obvious and there will be Hell to pay.
If the Rats do pass this thing……….the GOP will have a gift that keeps on giving. One solace you can take from the whole debacle….
JoeinTX on November 21, 2009 at 5:47 PM
He’s only going to need 50 votes next time, honey.
Valiant on November 21, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Beat me to it.
Some of these Senators must have a really low opinion on the intelligence of the voters. That so many voted for the Congress and President we have today, maybe they’re justified but it’s insulting to us who can think for ourselves and see this disaster for what is it.
Yakko77 on November 21, 2009 at 5:51 PM
DerKrieger, the unfortunate thing is that the marxists make their beds but don’t lay in them. What they do is move to a conservative state where things are better but again due to their leftie ideology they make these states purple and eventually marxist. Over a million have left NY over the last few years, many moved to Florida, but many also moved to southern states. It’s like a cancer.
Annie on November 21, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Whore~she’ll give it up for a little more….
HornetSting on November 21, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Annie on November 21, 2009 at 5:51 PM
I wonder if Soros and the shadow party paid their bus or air fare.
technopeasant on November 21, 2009 at 5:54 PM
We must remember, Lincoln and Landrieu voted YES today merely to keep themselves the center of attention until the final vote. It has nothing to do with policy or conviction, but only with sating their egos by keeping the media camped outside their offices until this fiasco is over.
MassVictim on November 21, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Sorry, Blanche Babe. No one believes you. You will cave on the next vote too, you liar!
Warner Todd Huston on November 21, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Okay people, from wiki:
Once a move is made to close debate and have a final, up/down, majority vote a Senator may then filibuster the move to close debate. As noted VERY CLEARLY above, the Senate needs 60 votes to overcome the debate cloture motion.
This isn’t that hard, people….
JoeinTX on November 21, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Coward. What did Reid bribe you with.
We know LA was $300,000. What did you get?
Brat4life on November 21, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Here’s another nice summary of the road ahead.
notropis on November 21, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Great summary. Thanks.
I’m hoping with Repub filibustering it can be delayed into 2010 which psychologically will hopefully return some of those D-Rats to some kind of sanity. We’ll continue to fight to ensure them we really mean business. They really don’t get the anger yet. Pelosi calling us angry mobs, nazis etc., kept the “angry mob” standard low. They truly haven’t seen an “angry mob” yet.
Annie on November 21, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Off by a factor of 10 there, bub.
Midas on November 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Don’t know why Lincoln even bothered. Reid isn’t going to drop the public plan, and neither is Nancy.
GarandFan on November 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Because that’s less power/taxation/control. They don’t want *less*.
Midas on November 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM
They have $800 billion stimulus money to bribe anyone they want…millions of our money are being handed out as we speak. I have to keep telling myself…don’t get mad – get even…Yvana Trump. She won…
Annie on November 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM
I like to refer to them as locusts. They vote for politicians that destroy their home states and when opportunity dries up because of the policies those politicians push, the locusts move on to another state never having learned why their former states declined. They should be forbidden from voting for a few years upon arrival.
DerKrieger on November 21, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Exactly, she is vote-whore
Wade on November 21, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Here comes nationalized healthcare, which will be right out of Ayn Rand. Be prepared for cheap second rate treatment. Special “shout out” to the GOPers who sat on their hands last November because McCain wasn’t Reagan.
clnurnberg on November 21, 2009 at 6:05 PM
I so wish I was a Blue Dog Democrat in congress who was a closet Conservative Republican. I’d have the phone and my office wired to record conversation and I’d blow these Liberal criminals out of the water by releasing their voice trying to bribe me.
Holger on November 21, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Be assured public funds will pay for the killing of unborn babies..
Wade on November 21, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Just substitute “attractive woman” with Blanche Lincoln.
A man approaches an attractive woman in a high-class bar, and asks:
“Would you have sex with me at my mansion for a million dollars?”
The woman considers for a moment, and decides:
“Yes, for a million dollars, I would”
The man then asks:
“Would you come out to the back alley and do it for five dollars?”
She slaps him and shouts:
“Just what kind of woman do you think I am?”
The man calmly answers:
“We have already established that. Now, we are merely haggling over the price.”
Schadenfreude on November 21, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Blanche: I will hold my breath if you don’t drop the public option
Harry: How about $150M for the new Litte Rock Blache Lincoln Performing Arts?
Blanche: SOLD!!
angryed on November 21, 2009 at 6:08 PM
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