Glenn Beck: “I am developing a 100 year plan”

posted at 6:07 pm on November 21, 2009 by Allahpundit

Dude.

- Education is key, and not just for our children. To that end, we will be conducting a series of conventions. These will be full-day experiences where you will be immersed in learning about topics ranging from self-reliance, community organizing, the economy and how to be a political force in your own neighborhood and country. The first one will be in Orlando at UCF Arena on March 27th…

- All of the above will culminate in The Plan, a book that will provide specific policies, principles and, most importantly, action steps that each of us can take to play a role in this Refounding.

- On August 28, 2010, I ask you, your family and neighbors to join me at the feet of Abraham Lincoln on the National Mall for the unveiling of The Plan and the birthday of a new national movement to restore our great country.

He mentioned the “100-year plan” this afternoon at The Villages too, reportedly framing it as a way in which we need to “think like China.” Which … is an interesting model for a libertarian to emulate. Plenty more at that link, including Beck supposedly all but calling for the end of the two-party system. That’s according to a blogger who was tweeting it as it happened; reserve judgment until we get verbatim quotes from news reports later. I’ll update if/when we do.

The NYT interviewed him about all of this, and while he was tight-lipped about specifics of The Plan, “he made clear that he intends to help elect politicians aligned with his limited-government world view.” A quote from the piece:

Mr. Beck rejects the labels like “leader” for himself, saying he is “comfortable with the title of ‘citizen fed up.’”

August 28, the date of the D.C. event, happens to be the anniversary of the “I Have a Dream” speech. Given the allusion to the Lincoln Memorial in Beck’s letter, I’m guessing that’s no coincidence. Eschewing the title of “leader” is thus a curious display of modesty from a guy who thinks his book launch is worthy of a modern-day March on Washington with him in the MLK role. No doubt he’s using the date and location as an homage to King, and will cite his example in bringing about another necessary “Refounding” of America. But I’m willing to bet that that’s not how it’ll be received; it’ll be treated as a window onto his ego and an endless opportunity to sidetrack his movement with racial politics. This is, after all, the guy who famously accused the first black president of having a “deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.”

Here’s YouTube vid from his book signing this morning. Exit question: Aren’t all his books versions of “The Plan”?

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You strangely sound like a Concern Troll using new tactics.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM

So, why is an opinion different from your own automatically a troll again?

Ozprey on November 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM

We are a two-party nation. Third parties are for suckers and apparently, while I like him, Beck has bought the lollipop.

Regardless of issue, economy, or time…………no 3rd party has been able to rear it’s head in this country in 100 years. It won’t now either.

Again, like Beck, but this is sham publicity stunt-ism that has little shelf life.

JoeinTX on November 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Ozprey on November 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM

It isn’t.

But any reasonable person wouldn’t claim the Conservative movement is nutso because of Beck, the Ron Paul kooks or the Birthers. The Liberals have their own fringe.

The Beck hate is odd considering he has been an effective attack dog putting pressure on the Liberals. And makes Liberal heads explode on a regular basis.

Sounds more like talking points coming from Axelrod.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Media Matters is first to post video… Go have fun with all the hateful moron commenters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtCQoIY2lrs

RightWinged on November 21, 2009 at 10:39 PM

You strangely sound like a Concern Troll using new tactics.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM

I assure you that I am a Reagan/Goldwater Conservative. I also assure you that all the purity mongers would throw rocks at my guy Reagan today given his real life views.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Sounds more like talking points coming from Axelrod.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 10:37 PM

+100

Knucklehead on November 21, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Sounds more like talking points coming from Axelrod.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Yes, it does.

About the Glenn hate: I know a few people on line whom I really like, but with whom I have many political differences, and there are some people with whom I agree almost completely on policy, but I simply don’t like them personally. Isn’t this the way people are? Politics does not govern our taste in other people.

Loxodonta on November 21, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Is this just another of Allahpundit’s smears on Glenn Beck, most which have been total B.S.?
Go worship at the feet of you fat RINO princess, Allahpundit

nelsonknows on November 21, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Love every scene from that movie! :)

lovingmyUSA on November 21, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Sounds more like talking points coming from Axelrod.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 10:37 PM

+100

Knucklehead on November 21, 2009 at 10:45 PM

- 100,000,000. The right is my home no matter what populist knuckle-draggers may spew.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Loxodonta on November 21, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Damn, I forgot to cover my screen! Now I have to mop up the tea…sigh!

lovingmyUSA on November 21, 2009 at 10:51 PM

This is, after all, the guy who famously accused the first black president of having a “deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.”

Are you trying to say Obama DOESN’T have a “deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture”? Go sit in Black Liberation Theology Church for awhile and THEN say that. I HAVE done that and I can tell you, Black Liberation Theology Churches like Jeremiah Wright’s “Trinity United Church of Christ, the many Bethel African Methodist-Episcopal Churches, teach NOTHING but hatred.

nelsonknows on November 21, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 10:40 PM

There is no Beck worship. It is an Ad Hominem to say so. Yes, Beck is an emotional clown. But he is also one of the few fighting the fight and has had success doing so. You don’t think Liberals send this much hate at people who are not a threat do you? Beck is effective but has some quirks.

Reagan would not be kicked out of the party, neither would Goldwater.. But Goldwater would face a heck of a lot of criticism because of his shrugging at Abortion and Gays and he came before Reagan. And Reagan would get crap for signing into law Pro-Choice laws in California as Governor. But they would not be kicked out.

The only currently existing person who gets any real worship here is Sarah Palin.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Yes, it does.

About the Glenn hate: I know a few people on line whom I really like, but with whom I have many political differences, and there are some people with whom I agree almost completely on policy, but I simply don’t like them personally. Isn’t this the way people are? Politics does not govern our taste in other people.

Loxodonta on November 21, 2009 at 10:47 PM

I am not a Glenn hater. I am also not a moo. I love the fact that he has been a thorn in the Administration’s side.I dislike somebody playing the folks for a fool while he rakes in cash, and sheds fake tears.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 10:40 PM

There is no Beck worship. It is an Ad Hominem to say so. Yes, Beck is an emotional clown. But he is also one of the few fighting the fight and has had success doing so. You don’t think Liberals send this much hate at people who are not a threat do you? Beck is effective but has some quirks.

Reagan would not be kicked out of the party, neither would Goldwater.. But Goldwater would face a heck of a lot of criticism because of his shrugging at Abortion and Gays and he came before Reagan. And Reagan would get crap for signing into law Pro-Choice laws in California as Governor. But they would not be kicked out.

The only currently existing person who gets any real worship here is Sarah Palin.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Realistically, Reagan would be viewed as McCain or worse. What I view as Beck worship is the patriot fringe who buy into Beck’s paranoid views. I want Reagan conservatism back which is not obsessed with every bs petty issue, but the big picture.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Realistically, Reagan would be viewed as McCain or worse. What I view as Beck worship is the patriot fringe who buy into Beck’s paranoid views. I want Reagan conservatism back which is not obsessed with every bs petty issue, but the big picture.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Its about Principle

McCain has none
Reagan does

karasoth on November 21, 2009 at 11:05 PM

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM

The Continental Army who nearly disbanded because they weren’t paid. I guess they were in it for themselves. How about Levin, Rush, Savage, Boortz and other who make money off of fighting against this massive expansion of Government, are they playing the people for fools? Anne Coulter has published several books, is she playing the people for fools?

Ben Franklin advocated Doing Well For Yourself by Doing Good for the Public. He made money doing that, was he playing the people for Fools?

As for his Showmanship. That is just what it is. It serves several purposes one of which is to spread the Message. It also insulates himself from one of the biggest weapons the enemy can throw at him, ridicule. I know he is a clown. But he is also serious about his message.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 11:08 PM

This is why I stopped watching Beck about 2 months ago. there is only so much of his over the top style I could take. while most of his message is good, the manner in which he goes about delivering it is annoying and it is difficult to take the guy seriously.

ramrants on November 21, 2009 at 11:15 PM

I find Beck to be pretty good on the subjectng away from the 2 party crapfest we have to endure, but “The Plan,” really? Glen you’re a smart guy, can ya find a name thats a bit less creepy.

Rbastid on November 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM

The Continental Army who nearly disbanded because they weren’t paid. I guess they were in it for themselves. How about Levin, Rush, Savage, Boortz and other who make money off of fighting against this massive expansion of Government, are they playing the people for fools? Anne Coulter has published several books, is she playing the people for fools?

Ben Franklin advocated Doing Well For Yourself by Doing Good for the Public. He made money doing that, was he playing the people for Fools?

As for his Showmanship. That is just what it is. It serves several purposes one of which is to spread the Message. It also insulates himself from one of the biggest weapons the enemy can throw at him, ridicule. I know he is a clown. But he is also serious about his message.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I believe in Capitalism. I love the idea. I truly see Beck as a charlatan, playing the game with only the $$$$ as his motivation. I hope I am wrong. I really see no big difference in Prejean, and Beck other than 15 minutes vs. a long term ride.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM

I think Beck had a lobotomy not appendectomy

Wade on November 21, 2009 at 11:22 PM

The only currently existing person who gets any real worship here is Sarah Palin.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM

I believe I’ve noticed worship-like adoration for many politicians and conservative commentators here.

Many people want to idolize someone, discounting any weaknesses, exaggerating all strengths. They seek a rescuer, a savior, a hero.

This can be very sweet when done by children and adolescents, and can also be important in developing good or bad life decisions. It can be very dangerous when combined with politics. I don’t quite understand why it continues well into adulthood, but I suppose it is helpful in forming team and group identification, and good leadership requires good followership.

Similarly, some people take delight in destroying the images of other people’s heroes, mocking the people for their beliefs and mocking their idols for any purported flaws. Most of this behavior is simple cruel self gratification. I sometimes feel a need to criticize some leaders on the Right, but I don’t relish it. However, I confess I do get pleasure from mocking little Barry at times.

Loxodonta on November 21, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Something else we need to do. Break up the Corporations.

Holger on November 21, 2009 at 6:32 PM

.
And replace them with what?

Dasher on November 21, 2009 at 11:23 PM

I’m sorry , but when I saw him bring on a fake cry for a photo shoot and laugh about it I just can’t take him serious anymore.

Ozprey on November 21, 2009 at 9:23 PM

3 things:
1. Ever heard of keeping the bow strung all the time is bad for the bow? Basically to keep sane you have to laugh at times, its good medicine. Especially when it self depreciating humor…keeps you humble and grounded.
2. The photo op was a caricature of how the left looks at him. So him taking photos of himself crying…he is making fun of the left making fun of him. He’s laughing about it because the bait worked.
3. Don’t shoot the messenger. Just because you don’t like the format or whatever…doesn’t mean Beck is being dishonest.

Conservative Voice on November 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM

You are wrong, on both accounts.

Conservative Voice on November 21, 2009 at 11:27 PM

I’ll admit he has good ratings for cable news. But two to three million viewers (probably most are passive viewers) isn’t going change our political system.

terryannonline on November 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM
OH yeah???
http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/primetimenetworkviewers0828.jpg

lovingmyUSA on November 21, 2009 at 8:31 PM

How do you think she’s going to understand that chart? She’ll just say it’s nonsense and then spell something wrong. And she calls BECK the stupid one.

rinohumper on November 21, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Especially a chart with three year old data!

Dasher on November 21, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Does anyone in this blog understand what capitalism is? Does anyone understand what being a conservative is?
The Hollywood elites have made millions off our backs. Its about time one of our own made a few buck. And who the hell cares IF he’s doing it all for show? The point is he is waking up the conservative movement, he is getting people motivated. I’m not saying we follow him off a cliff, but let the man have his 15 minute of fame…. Why should WE shoot down someone who is promoting our views??? And if he is for real then all the better.

Indian Outlaw on November 21, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Does anybody know if Allahpundit is a muslim?

royzer on November 21, 2009 at 11:31 PM

He is making millions promoting Conservative views… good for him. Is there is a single person on the site that wouldn’t want to be in his position..

Indian Outlaw on November 21, 2009 at 11:33 PM

I don’t think Muslims are atheist.

Indian Outlaw on November 21, 2009 at 11:33 PM

Glenn Beck.. The new cult of personality. He will personally hand us a second term for Obama.. Isn’t that just peachy? He has been getting on my nerves for quite awhile now.

shar61 on November 21, 2009 at 11:38 PM

You are wrong, on both accounts.

Conservative Voice on November 21, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Please clarify as to where I jumped the shark.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:41 PM

I don’t think Muslims are atheist.

Indian Outlaw on November 21, 2009 at 11:33 PM
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Right. I think AP is probably a Commie. Just kidding, but I thought the rules stated that atheists were required to be libs, or at least if not that radical, then Communist for sure.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:45 PM

You are all friggin nuts for lambasting Beck this way. Really.

Here is someone that believes in what America was founded on to the core. Lives it, wants it, and is willing to stand up and fight for it.

Yet you sheeple are here belittling him.

GO. Away.

You are nothing. A waste of my good oxygen.

Go play in the freeway. Clowns.

Ex

exsanguine on November 21, 2009 at 11:46 PM

ramrants says:

This is why I stopped watching Beck about 2 months ago. there is only so much of his over the top style I could take. while most of his message is good, the manner in which he goes about delivering it is annoying and it is difficult to take the guy seriously.

ramrants, terrific post. I appreciated his message, but he is a tad overboard. What an arrogant guy too….. “Not just the democrats,the republicans too”.. blah blah blah…. the republicans on their worse day are absolutely NOTHING like the democrats…. He knows it, I say his third party mantra coming months ago…

shar61 on November 21, 2009 at 11:47 PM

I really like Glenn Beck, I watch his FNC show everyday and listen to his radio program when ever I can, but for some reason when I read this story an overwhelming sense of cynicism kicked in. Sort of like when you watch one of those televangelists. You know what the guy’s saying is right but there is a nagging suspicion lingering in the back of your mind about his reasons for saying it and at the moment I’m getting the same vibe from Glenn Beck. There is no doubt in my mind that he is doing this because he believes in what he says but at the same time the cynic in me wonders whether he is just doing it to cash in on the growing wave of discontent about the direction in which the country is being taken by its leaders. Oh well I’m sure I’m just being paranoid but never the less I think ill approach this whole 100 year plan thing with a little caution until I can establish what direction it is going in and who stands to reap the most benefit from it.

Hellrider on November 21, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Does anybody know if Allahpundit is a muslim?

royzer on November 21, 2009 at 11:31 PM

No, he is just an ass.

mwdiver on November 21, 2009 at 11:49 PM

You are all friggin nuts for lambasting Beck this way. Really.

Here is someone that believes in what America was founded on to the core. Lives it, wants it, and is willing to stand up and fight for it.

Yet you sheeple are here belittling him.

GO. Away.

You are nothing. A waste of my good oxygen.

Go play in the freeway. Clowns.

Ex

exsanguine on November 21, 2009

You have a right to your opinion.. The guy is wealthy (good for him) I believe in capitalism…. But who the heck does he think he is? sheeple follow….. I am not a sheeple.

shar61 on November 21, 2009 at 11:50 PM

’ll admit he has good ratings for cable news. But two to three million viewers (probably most are passive viewers) isn’t going change our political system.

terryannonline on November 21, 2009 at 6:54 PM
OH yeah???
http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/primetimenetworkviewers0828.jpg

lovingmyUSA on November 21, 2009 at 8:31 PM

That’s not Fox News Channel. That’s broadcast Fox, just like ABC, NBC, and CBS.

mwdiver on November 21, 2009 at 11:52 PM

knuckle-draggers may spew.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Knuckle draggers? It seems that I remember that name being used by lib name callers.

Johan Klaus on November 21, 2009 at 11:53 PM

You are all friggin nuts for lambasting Beck this way. Really.

Here is someone that believes in what America was founded on to the core. Lives it, wants it, and is willing to stand up and fight for it.

Yet you sheeple are here belittling him.

GO. Away.

You are nothing. A waste of my good oxygen.

Go play in the freeway. Clowns.

Ex

exsanguine on November 21, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Beck HQ giving you a courtesy call here. Got to make sure you have bought the latest book, subscribed to the premium “truth” site here. Bla the fooking blah.Sheeple?

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:53 PM

exsanguine

The only one behaving like a sheep is you…go follow your Leader.

packsoldier on November 21, 2009 at 11:54 PM

Are you trying to say Obama DOESN’T have a “deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture”? Go sit in Black Liberation Theology Church for awhile and THEN say that. I HAVE done that and I can tell you, Black Liberation Theology Churches like Jeremiah Wright’s “Trinity United Church of Christ, the many Bethel African Methodist-Episcopal Churches, teach NOTHING but hatred.

nelsonknows on November 21, 2009 at 10:54 PM

You are absolutely right. He’s even referred to it in his books. This man is full of hatred and is looking for revenge.

Hobbes on November 21, 2009 at 11:56 PM

knuckle-draggers may spew.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Knuckle draggers? It seems that I remember that name being used by lib name callers.

Johan Klaus on November 21, 2009 at 11:53 PM

God forbid. Please point out my real liberal statements, if you should find any here.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:56 PM

It’s so sad that there are still people attacking Beck while the truly evil ones solidify their hold on power. The day will come when they rue their days of ignorance.

Sixth Guard on November 21, 2009 at 11:57 PM

And as a sidenote, this place is turning into more and more of a liberal circle-jerk. Soon it will become like CJ’s place, where true conservatives simply left.

The same pattern happens almost everywhere – conservatives flock somewhere for fellowship, one liberal comes in, invites others, and before long they’ve ruined the entire place with their idiocy. And the conservatives decide its not worth wasting the effort to shout over the din – so they just leave. You see this pattern repeated over and over again. I see the same thing happening here.

Sixth Guard on November 21, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:56 PM

knuckle-draggers may spew.

Johan Klaus on November 21, 2009 at 11:59 PM

This is, after all, the guy who famously accused the first black president of having a “deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.”

Obama spent his early childhood in Indonesia, where he was registered as a Muslim. Did they teach him American values in that Indonesian school?

Obama spent 20 years of his adult life in Rev. Wright’s anti-American “church”.

Obama is friends with a domestic terrorist (Ayers).

Everything Obama did so far has been harmful to America.

The only thing wrong with what Beck said is this:

This is, after all, the guy who famously accused the first black president of having a “deep-seated hatred for white Western people or the white Western culture.”

Obama’s moonbat base may HOPE that he will transform America into a EUrostyle nanny-state, they will be in for a rude awakening when America is transformed into a 3rd world country and their standard of living plummets.

RedSwissKnife on November 22, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:53 PM

And what do you think about Rush, Palin, Coulter, Ingraham, Walter Williams and Dr. Thomas Sowell? They all sell books.

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 11:41 PM

I truly see Beck as a charlatan, playing the game with only the $$$$ as his motivation. I hope I am wrong. I really see no big difference in Prejean, and Beck other than 15 minutes vs. a long term ride.

First case study: Glenn Beck. You keep asserting that he is just an act, so that he can earn the big bucks. Just because someone is earning money, doesn’t mean its an act, or that they aren’t principled, or that they can be bought. I have listened to Beck for over 5 years, and believe me, with the amount of pressure he puts himself under, you can’t do it if you don’t believe it.

Second case study: CP has not made a pornographic tape for money. She made videos well before the pageant, for her dirt bag boyfriend who cashed in on her expense. She had everything to lose, especially her dignity…and lost her chance to sue the Beauty Pageant…hence she didn’t do it for publicity, let alone money. She is a kid, and doesn’t strike me as a calculating snake out to take advantage of people.

Conservative Voice on November 22, 2009 at 12:04 AM

And as a sidenote, this place is turning into more and more of a liberal circle-jerk. Soon it will become like CJ’s place, where true conservatives simply left.

The same pattern happens almost everywhere – conservatives flock somewhere for fellowship, one liberal comes in, invites others, and before long they’ve ruined the entire place with their idiocy. And the conservatives decide its not worth wasting the effort to shout over the din – so they just leave. You see this pattern repeated over and over again. I see the same thing happening here.

Sixth Guard on November 21, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Dude you hit the nail on the head!!!

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 12:07 AM

SNL now has Gore pushing his book. WTF

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 12:09 AM

And what do you think about Rush, Palin, Coulter, Ingraham, Walter Williams and Dr. Thomas Sowell? They all sell books.

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Yes, of course. And that is why it is important to “think” and not just lie down and say: Beck says so, must be right. Or Palin or anyone else. Everyone has their own motivations. Come on, we are supposed to believe in Adam Smith!

rightistliberal on November 22, 2009 at 12:12 AM

And as a sidenote, this place is turning into more and more of a liberal circle-jerk. Soon it will become like CJ’s place, where true conservatives simply left.

The same pattern happens almost everywhere – conservatives flock somewhere for fellowship, one liberal comes in, invites others, and before long they’ve ruined the entire place with their idiocy. And the conservatives decide its not worth wasting the effort to shout over the din – so they just leave. You see this pattern repeated over and over again. I see the same thing happening here.

Sixth Guard on November 21, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Dude you hit the nail on the head!!!

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Dude, you are crazy. This site is as conservative as it gets without becoming a Daily Kos equivalent.

rightistliberal on November 22, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Dude you hit the nail on the head!!!

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 12:07 AM

There is usually a Freudian slip if they stay long enough. They cannot hide their true feelings.

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM

And what do you think about Rush, Palin, Coulter, Ingraham, Walter Williams and Dr. Thomas Sowell? They all sell books.

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:03 AM

It is great as long as it is purpose-driven first.Meaning promoting conservatism. Why did you leave out Michelle? She rocks. I think Coulter goes too far at times, but she does bring out the unspoken truths, and is very humorous.

Southernblogger on November 22, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Attack the messenger, ignore the message.

Nice.

clowns.

exsanguine on November 22, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Yes, of course. And that is why it is important to “think” and not just lie down and say: Beck says so, must be right. Or Palin or anyone else. Everyone has their own motivations. Come on, we are supposed to believe in Adam Smith!

rightistliberal on November 22, 2009 at 12:12 AM

You did not answer the question, so I will see if you will answer this question. About what is Beck wrong?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Ace’s site got bombarded with trolls after the CJ melt down. Now it’s back to normal. Not sure how he did it but maybe Allah should take some of his advice.

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Oh and BTW I was at the Beck thing today. Lots of friendly happy people.

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 12:25 AM

And as a sidenote, this place is turning into more and more of a liberal circle-jerk. Soon it will become like CJ’s place, where true conservatives simply left.

The same pattern happens almost everywhere – conservatives flock somewhere for fellowship, one liberal comes in, invites others, and before long they’ve ruined the entire place with their idiocy. And the conservatives decide its not worth wasting the effort to shout over the din – so they just leave. You see this pattern repeated over and over again. I see the same thing happening here.

Sixth Guard on November 21, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Dude you hit the nail on the head!!!

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 12:07 AM

That is a bs cop out. There is nothing wrong with debate as long as it is honest. The notion of preaching to the choir is the reason things never change for the better. I believe in true Conservatism. Not the added salt and pepper variety.

Southernblogger on November 22, 2009 at 12:25 AM

Southernblogger on November 22, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Michelle is the 500 lb. gorilla in the room and she can defend herself. But, if I mentioned her name and you said something bad about her, I would get banned.

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:26 AM

And what do you think about Rush, Palin, Coulter, Ingraham, Walter Williams and Dr. Thomas Sowell? They all sell books.

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:03 AM

None of these folks suffer from the delusions of grandeur that Beck does…and Williams and Sowell are great scholars.

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Dude, you are crazy. This site is as conservative as it gets without becoming a Daily Kos equivalent.

The thing is, you probably believe it. You probably believe AP is ‘conservative’. Liberals are so far left that CENTRIST views are right and conservative views are extreme.
Your opinion means nothing to me. It doesn’t change what’s happening because you’re simply brainwashed. What’s happening will happen. The liberals will shriek louder, they’ll spout their empty slogans repeatedly, AP will sneeringly impugn conservative leaders motives(subtly of course), and this place will slowly become more and more intolerable.

If it wasn’t for Ed, I’d say HotAir would have lost 70-80% of its conservatives, possibly even more. To the myriad number of liberals on here, don’t bother trying to dispute it because those are worthless points. You should just ask yourself if what you guys are doing is a good thing and how noble your cause really is if these are the tactics you have to stoop to in order to win.

Sixth Guard on November 22, 2009 at 12:30 AM

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Again, the unanswered question; about what has Beck been wrong?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:31 AM

Again, the unanswered question; about what has Beck been wrong?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:31 AM

Well, for starters, that Mormonism is true. Secondly, that Cleon Skousen was some kind of great political philosopher…Skousen was a fruitcake who accused Ike of being a communist…come to think of it, some people here are probably stupid enough to believe that. Never mind.

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:35 AM

None of these folks suffer from the delusions of grandeur that Beck does…and Williams and Sowell are great scholars.

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:26 AM

And Truman was a president that did what was necessary to win a war, but I have not seen a dem since him that had the Malkins.

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:36 AM

I am not a Glenn hater. I am also not a moo. I love the fact that he has been a thorn in the Administration’s side.I dislike somebody playing the folks for a fool while he rakes in cash, and sheds fake tears.

Southernblogger on November 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM

The Bard always had the fool as the one who could see through the deceptions and spoke truth to power. Beck is my kind of “fool”.

Laura in Maryland on November 22, 2009 at 12:37 AM

some people here are probably stupid enough to believe that. Never mind.

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:35 AM

Name calling is a liberal tactic.

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:37 AM

Name calling is a liberal tactic.

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:37 AM

Conservatives as well as liberals love to engage in name-calling. Why pretend it isn’t so? You’re calling me a liberal. That’s name-calling in itself.

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:40 AM

Bunch of idiots ended up showing up on 9-12…. some leadership, Beck….

BPD on November 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Wow, that was a great bunch of idiots I met that one awesome day on 9-12 in D.C! I’m in with Beck and I will be standing with another mil, no, more than two mils of idiots next year!!!

Coastal Paradise on November 22, 2009 at 12:40 AM

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:35 AM

Do you hate Mormons?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:41 AM

Which … is an interesting model for a libertarian to emulate.

I think he meant “as in thinking long-range, rather than to the next election cycle.” He’s not saying we should be more like China – only that we should strategize in that frame of mind.

Because they are.

I could be wrong.

Good Lt on November 22, 2009 at 12:41 AM

Again, the unanswered question; about what has Beck been wrong?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:31 AM

Okay, I’ll bite.

“Do you know in the health care bill, we’re now offering insurance for dogs,” Beck said. “Do I need to say any more?”

ReaganRoxx on November 22, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Conservatives as well as liberals love to engage in name-calling. Why pretend it isn’t so? You’re calling me a liberal. That’s name-calling in itself.

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:40 AM

I called you nothing. Did you have a Freudian slip?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:44 AM

We are a two-party nation. Third parties are for suckers and apparently, while I like him, Beck has bought the lollipop.

Regardless of issue, economy, or time…………no 3rd party has been able to rear it’s head in this country in 100 years. It won’t now either.

Again, like Beck, but this is sham publicity stunt-ism that has little shelf life.

JoeinTX on November 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Wrong, a 3rd party helped BJ Clinton get elected against Ross Perot in Clinton’s first term, Clinton only had 49% of the vote. Always a problem when republican support is siphoned off to 3rd party candidates and the likely result; Obama reelection.

dthorny on November 22, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Bunch of idiots ended up showing up on 9-12…. some leadership, Beck….

BPD on November 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM

See below.

Name calling is a liberal tactic.

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:37 AM

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Sixth Guard on November 22, 2009 at 12:30 AM

Are you calling libertarians liberals? The ones I know are fiscally conservative, for low taxes and reduced spending, are hawkish on defense, and favor gun rights, etc. So they overlay with conservatives on many issues. It’s many of the social and religious issues where we disagree.

It’s sort of the opposite of some social conservatives I know, with whom I agree on social values and national security, but with whom I can disagree on their willingness to promote government spending an laws promoting or imposing certain religious or traditional values.

To me, hot Air is overwhelmingly dominated by conservatives, then by libertarian conservatives and social conservatives, and then there are a far smaller number of moderates and just a few traditional liberals who are not trolls and seem like they are hawks on defense.

So, other than the liberal trolls, who are all these liberals you are talking about?

Loxodonta on November 22, 2009 at 12:47 AM

They are hitting the blogs because they fully expected beck to fire some far out shot to look like a loon. Well guess what he hit them where it hurts and laid out a simple plan.
Points-
-Draw on the knowledge of highly educated influential conservatives.
-Understand what we are facing. (progressives)
-Give a factual history lesson on the past 100 years of the “Big govt” mindset.
-Understand how voters think and how conservatives vote: Liberals vote party line. Conservatives vote on ideals(and have aloud thier vote to be diminished)
-MAKE A PLAN:
-Educate Americans how to organize. (oops the GOP forgot how)
-Teach the people the Constitution.
- oh and he did not talk third party (allah) He talked about getting back to what our founding fathers intended.
- AMERICA IS ABOUT FREEDOM.
-And Finally how we when in 2010, 2012…
- Oh and he didn’t mention Palin.

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Do you hate Mormons?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:41 AM

Hardly. I’m married to one. They are, by and large, very nice people. But I believe that Mormonism is one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on a group of people. The fact that Beck converted to Mormonism (as opposed to being raised as a Mormon, by a Mormon family, in a Mormon-dominated culture) makes me question his judgement. The fact that he’s touting Skousen doesn’t help his cause. And the fact that he’s selling “The Plan” to “save our country” is even more reason to distrust him. Since when are conservatives supposed to look to populist snake-oil salesmen for leadership? I don’t want a conservative Michael Moore. I don’t want a conservative Kennedy or Obama either. I just want competent, sober, conservative leadership.

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:48 AM

And Finally how we WIN in 2010, 2012

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Is he talking about creating a third party? I don’t think so.

Sounds like he’s just talking about creating a more prepared and educated electorate. And whichever candidate that helps in each specific election, well, that’s the one it helps.

RBMN on November 22, 2009 at 12:49 AM

ReaganRoxx on November 22, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Do you think that Reagan was the best president in the last hundred years?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:50 AM

The same pattern happens almost everywhere – conservatives flock somewhere for fellowship, one liberal comes in, invites others, and before long they’ve ruined the entire place with their idiocy. And the conservatives decide its not worth wasting the effort to shout over the din – so they just leave. You see this pattern repeated over and over again. I see the same thing happening here.

Sixth Guard on November 21, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Dude you hit the nail on the head!!!

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 12:07 AM

That is a bs cop out. There is nothing wrong with debate as long as it is honest. The notion of preaching to the choir is the reason things never change for the better. I believe in true Conservatism. Not the added salt and pepper variety.

Southernblogger on November 22, 2009 at 12:25 AM

Happens in consevarvative states as well. What you do is fight against them with common sense and ideas, they lose every time because they have no ideas, only slogans, chants or outdated phrases.

DO not let them drown us out, we are right and they are wrong.

dthorny on November 22, 2009 at 12:51 AM

Do you think that Reagan was the best president in the last hundred years?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:50 AM

I do. I don’t think it’s even a close call.

RBMN on November 22, 2009 at 12:52 AM

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:48 AM

oh oh, truth has come out…it isn’t Beck…its his religion.

Conservative Voice on November 22, 2009 at 12:54 AM

I do. I don’t think it’s even a close call.

RBMN on November 22, 2009 at 12:52 AM

You bet’cha!

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:55 AM

oh oh, truth has come out…it isn’t Beck…its his religion.

Conservative Voice on November 22, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Whatever makes it easier for you to dismiss the critics, drink the Kool-Aid, and join the cult of personality….

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:57 AM

Do you think that Reagan was the best president in the last hundred years?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:50 AM

I do. I don’t think it’s even a close call.

RBMN on November 22, 2009 at 12:52 AM

Completely agreed. The man who spoke these words belongs on Mount Rushmore.

Loxodonta on November 22, 2009 at 12:58 AM

Whatever makes it easier for you to dismiss the critics, drink the Kool-Aid, and join the cult of personality….

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:57 AM

What do you think about Catholics?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Goodnight folks. All I ask is that you separate Conservatism from the special interests. True Conservatism is the notion that you can do as you wish as long as it is not harmful to others or illegal. It also is the fact that govt officials should squeeze Abe until he screams when spending our money. We cannot rescind entitlements. We can reform them efficiently.

Southernblogger on November 22, 2009 at 1:01 AM

oh oh, truth has come out…it isn’t Beck…its his religion.

Conservative Voice on November 22, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Whatever makes it easier for you to dismiss the critics, drink the Kool-Aid, and join the cult of personality….

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:57 AM

I’ll play the “can’t we all just get along (but not really)” role here and say that although I feel like Beck and his message are incredibly important and necessary as we watch the country burn to the ground… I can’t help but agree that I’ve questioned his judgment too, because Mormonism is silly. I’m not attacking many of the values, etc., just the “story”. But when someone is right, they’re right. If Beck says 2+2=4, I don’t question it just because he’s a Mormon, but I can’t help but wonder what would cause an otherwise intelligent man to convert to this craziness.

RightWinged on November 22, 2009 at 1:03 AM

packsoldier on November 22, 2009 at 12:57 AM

If you actually gave me something to debate, then I would consider you a worthy critic. Since you dismissed Beck, because of his religion…don’t accuse me of drinking the kool aid.

Conservative Voice on November 22, 2009 at 1:03 AM

Watch the media over the next week… If they don’t make one single mention to Becks “Plan”, he hit a nerve. Instead they will send out their trolls and tweets to try and squash it. They did the same with 9/12 until it became to big to ignore then they labeled it “Tea Baggers” They will not nor can not bring it to national attention until.. august and we will all be racist!

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 1:04 AM

To clarify my previous comment I’m what you would consider a “Beck-ite”, and I think he’s almost always right and what he’s doing is incredibly important. (Let’s not forget about Van Jones, ACORN, etc.) But the Mormon story is ridiculous. I’m sorry, but it just is.

RightWinged on November 22, 2009 at 1:06 AM

Watch the media over the next week… If they don’t make one single mention to Becks “Plan”, he hit a nerve. Instead they will send out their trolls and tweets to try and squash it. They did the same with 9/12 until it became to big to ignore then they labeled it “Tea Baggers” They will not nor can not bring it to national attention until.. august and we will all be racist!

Indian Outlaw on November 22, 2009 at 1:04 AM

Dude, SNL proves the point… Tonight they tea-bagged Obama, while attacking private citizen Palin and Beck (without any substance behind attacks)

RightWinged on November 22, 2009 at 1:07 AM

RightWinged on November 22, 2009 at 1:03 AM

And there are people who say the same about your religion. You can’t claim another person’s religion to be crazy or silly unless you are God himself.

Conservative Voice on November 22, 2009 at 1:07 AM

Do you think that Reagan was the best president in the last hundred years?

Johan Klaus on November 22, 2009 at 12:50 AM

I would probably put TR above him, but he’s just outside of a hundred by date. I think Reagan did more great things, with fewer bungles than most others.

ReaganRoxx on November 22, 2009 at 1:08 AM

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