Melt the Phones: Senate vote Saturday to proceed on ObamaCare debate; Update: Nelson confirms a yes vote
posted at 1:07 pm on November 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Harry Reid plans a key procedural vote in the Senate this weekend, apparently trying to follow Nancy Pelosi’s footsteps in jamming ObamaCare down the throats of a skeptical chamber before members can hear from their constituents. Unlike Pelosi, however, this vote will not be on the bill itself, or even to close debate. Instead, the vote will be to open debate, and Reid has a good chance to prevail — for now:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is not making any bold predictions before Saturday’s vote to proceed on healthcare reform.
“We’ll find out when the votes are taken,” he said when asked on Thursday about his chances of success.
Foremost among Reid’s problems are three centrist Democratic senators.
The Hill refers to Mary Landrieu (LA), Ben Nelson (NE), and Blanche Lincoln (AR), all of whom have expressed considerable skepticism over the public option that Reid included in the bill. However, all of them could probably explain a vote to proceed to debate, especially since Reid will eventually have to hold another cloture vote to end debate — the final filibuster point — and they could just as easily defect at that point to maintain credibility with independents in their constituencies. Reid might still get a couple of Republicans to agree to open debate as well, for the same reasons.
In fact, Reid may have to have a couple of Republicans even if his caucus holds firm. As the Hill reports, Reid can’t count on getting everyone into the chamber for this vote. Max Baucus, who helped put together a different version of the bill, left DC this week to be with his seriously-ill mother. Robert Byrd has been able to attend the Senate only occasionally this year due to his own health problems. Five other Senate Democrats had already arranged a “codel’ — an official travel event — and may not be able to stay in town.
Reid has to have 60 positive votes to overcome the threshold this weekend. If he can’t get that because of absences, Reid can’t even open debate on the bill — which makes his sudden schedule change all the more inexplicable. Why not wait until Reid can ensure that all of his colleagues will be on the floor to win the vote?
Perhaps because the longer he waits, the more analysis appears that will doom the bill, such as this from James Capretta at The Corner:
For starters, the Reid plan assumes that Medicare physician fees will get cut by about 20 percent beginning in 2011 and then remain very restrained indefinitely. Virtually no one in Congress believes that will happen, nor do they want it to. Indeed, just a couple of weeks ago, Senator Reid himself tried to overturn the planned cuts in physician fees, at a cost of nearly $250 billion over a decade. It does not matter to taxpayers if Senate Democrats try to pass their health-care agenda in one or two bills. The total cost will be the same. With the so-called “doc fix” included in the tally, the Reid plan would increase the federal budget deficit by about $100 billion over ten years, not reduce it.
Then there are the tax increases. CBO gives Senator Reid credit for cutting the budget deficit in a second decade, but that’s not because the plan would do anything to slow the pace of rising health-care costs. It wouldn’t do much of anything in that regard. What it would do is impose massive tax increases, in part by resorting to the same kind of discredited “bracket creep” so despised by the public in the 1970s. At that time, the thresholds separating the various income-tax brackets were not indexed for inflation, which meant that every year many people paid taxes at a higher rate simply because inflation had boosted their wages. Of course, many in Congress liked it that way because it meant a tax increase without the nuisance of a politically unpopular vote. Senator Reid and his Democratic colleagues are trying to pull off the same trick now. They are proposing two tax increases which would hit America’s middle class increasingly hard over time because the dollar thresholds used to assess the tax are not indexed to full inflation. The first, the 40 percent excise tax on high-cost insurance plans, would apply initially only to family policies exceeding $23,500 in annual premiums and individual plans with premiums exceeding $8,500. Those thresholds would increase by general inflation plus one percentage point each year, but that would be still below the rate of expected medical inflation. Consequently, more and more middle-class families would find themselves bumping into the premium thresholds as time passed.
Similarly, Senator Reid wants to raise the Medicare payroll tax, now 2.9 percent, on workers with incomes exceeding $200,000 per year, to 3.4 percent. But, again, that income threshold would not be indexed for inflation, which means many millions of families would be paying it in ten years who wouldn’t be paying it initially.
The bill spends $4.9 trillion and raises $2.2 trillion in taxes, with the rest coming from budget and provider-payment cuts that Capretta seriously doubts will ever make it to reality. The result? A massive deficit-exploding entitlement.
Today’s the day to call your Senators and tell them to start over.
Update: Nelson confirms that he will vote to open debate:
“For more than a year, Nebraskans and all Americans have debated health care reform in their homes, at work, and with friends at hundreds of town hall meetings.
“This weekend, I will vote for the motion to proceed to bring that debate onto the Senate floor. The Senate should start trying to fix a health care system that costs too much and delivers too little for Nebraskans.
“Throughout my Senate career I have consistently rejected efforts to obstruct. That’s what the vote on the motion to proceed is all about.
“It is not for or against the new Senate health care bill released Wednesday.
“It is only to begin debate and an opportunity to make improvements. If you don’t like a bill why block your own opportunity to amend it?
“As we have seen before, obstructionists are inviting a move toward reconciliation by opposing this first procedural vote. Let’s be clear. That route shrinks debate and amendments, eliminates bipartisanship and needs only 50 votes to pass a bill.
“In the end, far more Washington-run health care policies win, but Nebraskans lose.
“In my first reading, I support parts of the bill and oppose others I will work to fix. If that’s not possible, I will oppose the second cloture motion—needing 60 votes—to end debate, and oppose the final bill.
“But I won’t slam the doors of the Senate in the face of Nebraskans now. They want the health care system fixed. The Senate owes them a full and open debate to try to do so.”









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Buh-Bye Benny. I have two teenagers who will vote for the first time in 2012 and like dad and mom, they are not happy with you! We are embarrassed and seeing Husker Red. Enjoy the ride.
serenity on November 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM
That is what I got as well. Warner’s reelection chances are not looking too good.
nyx on November 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Headline: Monday Nov. 23, 2009
Americans by the millions this morning went to their HR offices and told the company to change their exemptions to 9 until further notice on their deductions.
If they want to play chicken, we will see who moves first!
patriotparty1 on November 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM
I’m assuming Bill Nelson will be voting for this atrocity. Given that Medicare will be gutted by $500 billion, I don’t see how his phone lines haven’t been ringing off the hook.
ncconservative on November 20, 2009 at 5:28 PM
I’m never sure what is going on there anymore. I am pretty sure I have it correct.
I think the “nuke” option would entail either passing some lame bill that gets just enough support to achieve closure and then changing it completely during reconciliation with the House bill OR just having the reconciliation committee gut a bill already at that state and replace the innards with whatever they want for a HC bill.
Once the bill is out of reconciliation, there is no longer a closure vote to deal with do it is straight majority.
OBQuiet on November 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM
You may have a better chance with Webb. I thought I had heard he was still reading the bill. However, I used to live in VA and heard that from his staff several times.
ncconservative on November 20, 2009 at 5:32 PM
RING THEIR PHONES OFF THE WALL….CALL NOW!!!! VOTE NO OR YOU HAVE TO GO!!!!
Senator Joseph I Lieberman, Ind, CT
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Senator Blanche Lincoln, D AR
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Senator Mary Landrieu D LA
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Senator Jim Webb D VA
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Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on November 20, 2009 at 5:36 PM
The Republic died nearly 80 years ago. It’s been democratic pressure-group warfare ever since. With the acceleration in the erosion of individual, Constitutionally protected rights that hit a knee in the curve around 1968 things have only grown much worse.
Now it’s to the point where the only argument Progressives like you have (or need) is mockery for anyone who still believes in them. They’ve come to so dominate the institutions of government, media, and education that they march on, nearly unopposed. Yes, there’s plenty of chatter on the Right, and even the occasional large protest. But so far, barely any friction on the rope as the smiley-face fascists bring down the barbarian curtain on a once-great civilization, with cretins like you cheering and clapping all the while.
JDPerren on November 20, 2009 at 5:37 PM
He actually thinks he’s ever going to see a penny of that money again. It’s sad.
Jim Treacher on November 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Another Saturday night special, aimed right at our wallets, and heads.
Dhuka on November 20, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Senator Blanche Lincoln: 202 224 4843.
I just called her office, guy seemed pretty nice. I mentioned the deficit, the debt, the public option as a terrible method to achieve greater competition. I also mentioned polls showing that Americans oppose this bill and the Gallup poll that came out today showing the President’s approval at 49%, which Gallup attributes to the health care debate.
ncconservative on November 20, 2009 at 5:41 PM
I tried to call My wonderful WI senators Kohl and Feingold. One line sent me to the Switchboard and One phone line is out of order. Pond Scum both. Someone run and kick thier butts please.
Gracelynn on November 20, 2009 at 5:44 PM
“Thank you” – very often, the evacuees were very appreciative. Whatever it was you heard or read about how it was – it wasn’t like that. People came from Democrat fiefdoms wherein they did not receive the health care they needed. Houston provided it, on top of the services related to the evacuation.
But Houston’s medical community, social services, schools, etc, did & still do bear a big financial burden tied directly to Katrina – That is my point – if Landrieu is going to take this bribe and it is tied to Katrina, Perry should sue her for the hundred million.
That money will never go to help anyone other than Landrieu – that’s why she’s asking for it.
batterup on November 20, 2009 at 5:45 PM
This Nebraskan has called and got through Ben Nelson’s Lincoln office this morning, faxed twice and e-mailed once today. I have been making contact with Nelson’s office since last February and even picket in front of his office. Maybe I should have done more??? And, I am quite sure the other Nebraskans who post here have done the same….just sayin’.
Ben Nelson is done in Nebraska and I am going to do my best to get this man booted out of office in 2012.
yoda on November 20, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Yes! Debate! Debate it! Read it!
Rub their stinking faces in it!
It’ll be like training a dog.
Come to us ye Independents.
Come those fearful from hither and yon.
Our only alternative hope Republican Party beckons
May they not fail US again.
exdeadhead on November 20, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Attention Real America:You lost in 2006, badly in 2008 and now you have lost Obamacare. All you have left is your $4 Sarah Palin book. Have fun with that.
simplesimon on November 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Attention Real America:You lost in 2006, badly in 2008 and now you have lost Obamacare. All you have left is your $4 Sarah Palin book. Have fun with that.
simplesimon on November 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Flyboy on November 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Nelson CAN’T be this stupid as not to see Reid’s reconciliation plan, can he????
marklmail on November 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM
The STUPID runs thick in that one. Notice his hair?
PappaMac on November 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM
F%ck this Government!
They all are pocket liners!
We need a revolution from DC. This country is lost. The republic is over!
We need to break this country up into those who want big Gov.
and those who want Jeffersonian constitution rule.
We will NEVER get rid of these F#UCKS!~!!
Lisa on November 20, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Here is part of a post at NRO’s “Critical Care” blog that clarifies what Reid’s Saturday vote is about:
onlineanalyst on November 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM
NRO
Another way around needing 60 votes again for closing debate.
Reconciliation (which Reid has claimed he won’t use) is limited to the items it can cover. This shell way would allow the entire bill to be inserted into another bill that has passed cloture.
Then it’s 51 votes to pass. And no doubt Biden will be standing by if Harry can only muster up 50.
Wethal on November 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM
I’m not gonna waste my breath….my senators are Boxer/Feinstein (they already know how I feel about them).
jbh45 on November 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM
i’ve thought this was pretty much wired. the Left won big last time…they have huge latitude with the size of their majorities.
Huge…there’s not too much R’s can do a this point….the R’s blew it big time and we now all must pay dearly
r keller on November 20, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Everybody has a price…including the moderate dems.
This pig will be come law….bank on it.
I hear and read the same wishful thinking on influencing the Senate as I saw before the House vote.
It’s all rigged folks and the votes have already been tallied and the strategy laid out.
tatersalad on November 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM
I couldn’t get through to either of his offices today. Just a few weeks ago he said he saw no difference between a vote for cloture and a vote for a final bill. He’s up for election and there are at least two people that plan on running against him.
At least Lugar is going to vote against cloture, according to one of his offices. Hell, we can’t count on him to vote right any more, so you never know.
darwin-t on November 20, 2009 at 7:39 PM
I don’t think that the Obamas and the Reids and the Pelosis and others of their ilk are thinking very far ahead.
They believe that they can play their political games with abandon, and that, at worst, they will lose an election and still merrily retire on their princely pensions and speaking and lobbying fees.
And in safe times and times of plenty, that has been true. Americans have generally been more focused on their own lives rather than concerning themselves with seemingly abstract events in the capital. And even those of us who are more politically aware have always been quick to forgive and forget the incompetence or even the crimes of politicians.
But the country that Obama et. al. are creating will not be that safe, fat and happy, benign country that they take for granted.
They are in the process of creating a nation of deprivation, pain and suffering. And the rule of law that shelters them now will be regarded by angry citizens with as little respect as the corruptocrats regard it now.
Rather than retiring to lives of luxury, wealth and celebrity , they will be forever looking over their shoulders as they are hunted like rabid dogs by the angry masses yearning for retribution.
As the song says, when you got nothing, you got nothing to lose.
justltl on November 20, 2009 at 7:45 PM
60 votes gets this vote to the floor so guys like Bayh provide cover for the future 9 that will vote against it when he has to cram it through. If they can’t vote for the final thing, then vote against it now and show some spine you yellow coward Dems you.
ted c on November 20, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Whoa, that was long.
Even I wouldn’t read that.
Carry on.
justltl on November 20, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Well said.
nico on November 20, 2009 at 8:08 PM
I think we now know how the few Conservatives in Europe have felt the last 40 years watching their countries go down the shitter…is not a good feeling.
winston on November 20, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Landrieu says she is now “leaning” towards yes on the motion to proceed.
It’s down to Lincoln.
Wethal on November 20, 2009 at 8:54 PM
So the question now is, how is, how do I, as an individual, opt out of this?
I don’t want it, and they cannot force me to buy it.
Skywise on November 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM
F*ck Obama. Oops. Sorry. F*ck Reid. Oops.
Not me.
Larry Sinclair, F*ck them all!
WE HAVE ENOUGH OF TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama-Reid-Pelosi: Krugman’s Model of the Idiot Taxman!
TheAlamos on November 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM
How to opt out? To opt out, you are required to convince at least 10 previous Obama-Dem voters to VOTE THEM OUT!
If you can’t, YOU CAN’T OPT OUT.
This is FASCISM and STATISM at worst.
TheAlamos on November 20, 2009 at 9:46 PM
One bright side if this goes through: You having to watch your mom die of cancer waiting for treatment.
Jim Treacher on November 20, 2009 at 10:12 PM
I wholeheartedly share the sentiment.
I will have not one ounce of sympathy for the leftists who suffer because of this.
And suffer I hope they do.
Hawkins1701 on November 20, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Yep and when their taxes go through the roof – I’m going to look at every one of them and say – you did this – you fell for the snake oil salesman.
gophergirl on November 20, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Or when one of them gets sick and has to wait weeks or months for treatment.
Health care will be “free”, alright.
Free of proper diagnoses, treatment, or cures.
englishqueen01 on November 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Wow, oh wow! What a flippin’ bunch of Eeyores (Which, BTW, isn’t a phrase I’ve heard here in a very long time!)
Let them have their silly little vote tomorrow. That’s a done deal. That vote doesn’t make this law. The next vote, well that one is critical.
More importantly, shame, shame, shame on the ones who call themselves republicans who left town for the holiday and whose votes won’t be counted tomorrow!
I for one am sick of these candy-azzed folk. Sick, sick, sick.
I am extremely angry that they cut and run, thought being they couldn’t stop it…what a bunch of candy-azzes! Y’all should be just as mad as I am.
When the dems get their vote tomorrow to proceed, and then vote to cut off debate and vote this monstrosity into law,and your senator wasn’t there to cast a vote???? Well, I for one will be ready to get busy and hunt down like vermin every senator who was not present.
And when it DOES become law, someone better have the stones to challenge this in the courts on a Constitutional basis.
But these Republicans…I’m so danged mad I could spit! What a bunch of candy-azzed, whiny little infants!
So, here goes, Eeyores: Quitcherbitchen gang! Hammer these weenie azzed so-called Republicans. Don’t let them get away with what they “would have done!” Their rear ends should, unquestionably, be in those chairs tomorrow, even though they don’t have much chance of making a change. But, if your senator is NOT present tomorrow, promise me you will work like a dog for their challenger in the primary. Even more importantly, let them know that you plan to work like a dog against them because they didn’t have the equipment to stand up and vote against bringing this abomination of a bill to a vote.
I don’t know if either of my senators were present…I have McCaskill (was probably there wanting to do for the prez what Monica did for Mr. Clinton), and Bond (who is so totally out of it I wish he had resigned yesterday…I’d bet a bunch he was one of the absentee Repub’s. Boy do I want to be proved wrong!)
Anyway, regardless of how your senator says he or she would have voted (if absent), treat their absence as though it were a vote for the other side. It was. Shame on them for not properly representing you and making your voice heard!
I am so, so ashamed that the Republican senators are just rolling over, and most won’t even be in the chamber tomorrow to cast their vote. Big flippin’ weenies each and every one. Shame, shame, shame!
Chewy the Lab on November 20, 2009 at 10:52 PM
I respectfully disagree on one point. This is Fascism and statism at its best. Wait until they really get going in a few years (if they remain largely unopposed, as they have been so far). Then you’ll see it at its worst.
JDPerren on November 20, 2009 at 11:17 PM
The 2010 electio cant come around fast enough. Will it be too late by then?
WyoMike on November 20, 2009 at 11:18 PM
We wouldn’t have to worry about Obama signing abominable bills like these IF people were aware of the following:
Obama The Unconstitutional Usurper
http://jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com/2009/11/graphic-obama-unconstitutional-usurper.html
Potter on November 20, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Red State’s Dan Perrin reports U.S. Senate Phone System Collapses
Bullhead on November 20, 2009 at 11:53 PM
They’re not listening!!!!
Johanns(R) from Nebraska will have his Lincoln phone lines open tomorrow. He said he would have staff at his state office to listen….fruitless, but at least Nebraska’s other Senator listens to his voters.
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 12:15 AM
It’s pretty obvious Nelson will not be running for reelection next time. His buddy Chuck Hagel did far less harm and was shown the writing on the wall. Nebraskans simply will not put Nelson back in the Senate.
So, what is he getting for his vote? Landrieu got $100 million. At least her take was ostensibly for her state.
Nelson is getting nothing for Nebraska, so what is he getting for himself?
Nebraskans want to know.
rogersnowden on November 21, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Who do I call Ed, I’m in Commifornia, Feinstein and Boxhead aren’t answering their phones.
nelsonknows on November 21, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Here’s what happens with these leftist scumbags in Congress;
you go to a town hall meeting for your Representative, Lois Capps at a Black Liberation Theology Church, (Bethel African Methodist-Episcopal in Oxnard CA), and you aren’t even allowed to ask questions in person, just fill out 3×5 cards and a “Moderator” misquotes your question. My question is the first one and is misquoted; “What part of the Constitution allows Congress to pass healthcare legislation?” Capps responds with; “Life, Health, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”, which is a misquote from the Declaration of Independence. Later, when Capps is asked; “If a majority of your constituents oppose national healthcare, will you still vote for it?”. Capps respond that she has a better understanding of issues than her constituents and that her vote counts more than her constituents.
Call all you want, these scumbags in Congress don’t CARE what you want or think.
Here are videos of that town hall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9qo82YvZaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB3bEcXyf_k
nelsonknows on November 21, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Then we vote the b@st@rds out of office and make sure no Democrat is elected to any office higher than garbage commissioner ever again.
As others have said, the upside is we’ll have lots of fun telling liberals “I told you so” as they watch their parents (or themselves) get sick and die on waiting lists.
Because only in a liberal’s mind is health care a “right” until Obama’s death panel says it costs too much.
If my tax dollars are going to pay this abomination, I want the absolute best standard of care…it’s a “right”, after all, and I won’t allow it to be rationed.
englishqueen01 on November 21, 2009 at 1:02 AM
Ahem.
You are a horrible, horrible human being.
No, seriously. Horrible.
crr6 on November 21, 2009 at 1:44 AM
And your reprehensible sentiments are awkwardly phrased they are.
crr6 on November 21, 2009 at 1:45 AM
Oh so it’s him that horrible, not the system that will be imposing the rationing.
You Marxists wanted Barry’s Big Medical System and you’re gonna get it, good and hard.
Rae on November 21, 2009 at 2:02 AM
I’m in.
I decided a while back this is the perfect political educational tool for my kids.
They know more about this bill than Ben probably does.
I’ll buy you a beer when it’s done.
cntrlfrk on November 21, 2009 at 2:27 AM
Listen to me. I will fight them for every inch of ground. Not giving up a thing. No vote on this travesty is “silly”. It’s all dead serious.
“Eeyores”? Hell no. I’m serious as a heart attack. Eeyore is a fluffy bunny compared to this.
Edouard on November 21, 2009 at 4:30 AM
How can you say that at the same time you’re supporting people who are intentionally undermining the very foundations of the country. Are you anxious to see scenes from Mad Max played out on the streets and roads of America?
jimmy2shoes on November 21, 2009 at 7:18 AM
Reagan killed “Bracket Creep” -one of the best moves ever for democracy, forcing the Dems to face up to their new spending. But, slimey worms being the slimey worms they are, they merely shifted to spending first and running up deficits beyond care, only to later, play Republican and worried out loud, beating their breasts about the very deficits they caused themselves. That’s been the mode of operation every since and we’ll see the big cry for taxes for decades to suppress the dangerous deficits that Bush caused, while they magnanomously gave us deficit neutral healthcare.
Don L on November 21, 2009 at 7:54 AM
Nelson and Johanns were on KFAB yesterday and Nelson told the listeners that his vote today would just bring the debate to the floor and that he would still vote no on the health plan. Then Johanns came on and told the viewers that by voting for cloture, then the plan would pass. Johanns said Saturday is the day to vote no. So who do you believe?
Nelson will be 1 of the spineless Democrats to vote no for the health plan on the final vote, so he can hide behind his yes vote on cloture.
Johanns said his staff will be in their office on Saturday during the cloture vote, so we can call them.
402-476-1400 – Lincoln
202-224-4224 – Washington D.C.
It’s great you are educating your kids about this vote today, because they will be paying for it for the rest of their lives.
I asked Governor Heinemann several weeks ago if he was going to run for Senate in 2012 and he said no with a big smile on his face.
Nebraska is well represented on HotAir…NebCon, Omaha Conservative, Pappy Mac, cntrlfrk, a capela, yoda and more……
Oh, I drink Shiner or Coors.
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 8:02 AM
Ditto.
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 9:00 AM
– yoda
I have noticed that Nebraska is well represented, and as a fellow Nebraskan, I like it!
I have contacted Nelson’s office numerous times about his vote on cloture and this monstrosity of a bill, and have not received a reply as of yet.
So much for constituent services, huh?
Gothguy on November 21, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Of the many times I have contacted him on various issues he has never replied. Sen. Johanns, however always does. Class always shows.
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 9:11 AM
That wont help, this Bill gives them access to everyons bank account, so the will just take what they want.
Badbrucskie on November 21, 2009 at 9:13 AM
Well it got ya in the limelite again Ben.Hope you really enjoy time at your cabin overlooking the Platte. You are going to have lots of time there after the next election.BYE BYE! !!!!!
flyoverboy on November 21, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Or, at his turkey farm.
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 9:28 AM
completely agree with this. Johannes IS a class act.Nelson is a fence straddling limelighter. He had Schumer here in lincoln last week. Exterminators been workin overtime since then.
flyoverboy on November 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Nelson thinks he’s hiding behind this vote, but he’s not. And no, Nelson does not represent his constituents. He’s history in 2012.
Johanns phone lines are open today…..402-476-1400 and 202-224-4224
I may picket on Tuesday at 76th and Pacific are you up for that OC?
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Every time I have contacted Johanns’ office about an issue, I have always received a reply, in writing. Sometimes I’ll receive an email reply from Nelson, but they are few and far in between.
As for Chuckie H., I had no use for him.
Gothguy on November 21, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Ironic, isn’t it? The progressives obviously couldn’t care less about privacy. All the rending of garments and wailing over FISA and “my body, my choice” was just politics. They can’t wait to give the government complete access to, and control over, their most private lives.
Misery for the unwashed masses and luxury for the elites? The deaths of ~100 million? The decline and fall of the United States?
Rae on November 21, 2009 at 9:38 AM
I am going to really try. I have cousins from CA in for a family wedding this week.
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 9:39 AM
I get Christmas cards from Sen. Johanns, Governor, Dave Heineman & Lt. Gov. Sheehy.
Nothing from Sen. Nelson. ;-)
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Good thing Hagel is gone and we don’t have to deal with him now. Now we have to work on getting Nelson voted out. I don’t want to see Rickets run again and really think Heineman would be great as a Senator.
Heck, after Nelson’s vote today, my terrier could run as Nebraska’s Senator and beat Nelson.
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Another fine man, like Johanns, with integrity.
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 9:47 AM
There will be more opportunities to picket and hope to meet a fellow poster one day.
I’ve heard Nelson has a difficult time keeping staff…must be hard to work for. Well, he won’t be working for us much longer!!!
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 9:49 AM
I like Gov. Heineman and Lt. Gov. Sheehy, and I would vote for Gov. Heineman for Senator.
My fear is after seeing Omaha and Lincoln going blue in the last election, I hope our state is not turning purple or blue. In Lincoln, I was simply amazed at how many people were voting for the messiah, but I guess that is what you would expect from a university town. As for the mayor of Lincoln, I cannot stand that twit.
Gothguy on November 21, 2009 at 9:52 AM
The Governor had a gleam in his eye when I asked him if he was thinking about running in 2012 for Nelson’s job. He said he was focused on his run for Governor right now, but I bet he is thinking about it.
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Going blue should be a concern. When the taxes kick in on the health scam, we are going to see a scramble to vote the bums out in 2010 and 2012. A little too late, but it will happen.
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 10:00 AM
I think the turnout for 0 in 2008 was due to Acorn & 0′s race. Turnout was very light in 2009, I was a drafted election poll worker at the Teachers Administration Center (old Tech High), with a large black population voting precinct. They stayed home in droves. I caught up with a lot of reading that day.
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM
But will Hieneman run?? We really need some integrity and honor in DC.
flyoverboy on November 21, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Senator Lincoln is the only hold out today. She got some problems:
1.She’s up for re-election in 2010
2.She’s behind in the polls
3.Her husband is a doctor
Hmmm…maybe the Republicans need to be talking to her about changing parties??????
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Attention Real America:You lost in 2006, badly in 2008 and now you have lost Obamacare. All you have left is your $4 Sarah Palin book. Have fun with that.
simplesimon on November 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM
One bright side if this goes through: You having to watch your mom die of cancer waiting for treatment.
Jim Treacher on November 20, 2009 at 10:12 PM
SoldiersMom on November 21, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Our good Governor thinks about Nebraska first, unlike Nelson. Nebraska is in good financial shape…very few foreclosures. Johanns left Nebraska in good shape when he went to Washington D.C., but Nelson seems to have lost his way after he left our state for D.C. and the big life.
Lets hope and pray Heineman runs in 2012 as Senator. Hope Nelson has a job lined up with the other bums when he is voted out in 2012.
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Dr. Utopia says he might not run again in 2012.
Meanwhile Darleen at PW has the agenda for “health care” and it is a wee bit broader than signing up the uninsured:
•An income surtax on taxpayers earning more than $500,000 a year,[1]
•An excise tax on high-cost “Cadillac” health insurance plans that cost more than $8,500 a year for individuals or $21,000 for families,[2]
•An excise tax on medical devices such as wheelchairs, breast pumps, and syringes used by diabetics for insulin injections,[3]
•A cap on the exclusion of employer-provided health insurance without offsetting tax cuts,[4]
•A limit on itemized deductions for taxpayers with a top income tax rate greater than 28 percent,[5]
•A windfall profits tax on health insurance companies,[6]
•A value-added tax, which would tax the value added to a product at each stage of production,[7]
•An increase in the Medicare portion of the payroll tax to 3.4 percent for incomes great than $200,000 a year ($250,000 for married filers),[8]
•An excise tax on sugar-sweetened beverages including non-diet soda and sports drinks,[9]
•Higher taxes on alcoholic beverages including beer, wine, and spirits,[10]
•A tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage of up to 2.5 percent of their adjusted gross income,[11]
•A limit on contributions to health savings accounts,[12]
•An 8 percent tax on all wages paid by employers that do not provide their employees health insurance that satisfies the requirements defined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services,[13]
•A limit on contributions to flexible spending arrangements,[14]
•Elimination of the deduction for expenses associated with Medicare Part D subsidies,[15]
•An increase in taxes on international businesses,[16]
•Elimination of the tax credits paper companies take for biofuels they create in their production process–the so-called “Black Liquor credit,”[17]
•Fees on insured and self-insured health plans,[18]
•A limit or repeal of the itemized deduction for medical expenses,[19]
•A limit on the Qualified Medical Expense definition,[20]
•An increase in the payroll taxes on students,[21]
•An extension of the Medicare payroll tax to all state and local government employees,[22]
•An increase in taxes on hospitals,[23]
•An increase in the estate tax,[24]
•Increased efforts to close the mythical “tax gap,”[25]
•A 5 percent tax on cosmetic surgery and similar procedures such as Botox treatments, tummy tucks, and face lifts,[26]
•A tax on drug companies,[27]
•An increase in the corporate tax on providers of health insurance,[28] and
•A $500,000 deduction limitation for the compensation paid by health insurance companies to their officers, employees, and directors.[29]
Mr. Joe on November 21, 2009 at 10:27 AM
I have a feeling ol Ben has his bread buttered pretty good already. That seems to have been his main concern in DC. I suspect he has a hard time keeping help as most US citizens do not like to be treated like surfs.
flyoverboy on November 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM
A tax revolt is indeed fast becoming our only option.
Garnish wages? Confiscate property? Steal retirement funds?
Yes, that would be the final straw.
Which beaurocrat will want to risk their lives to do that?
Names will be taken.
justltl on November 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM
You are right about the money, but power and control is hard to give up after you had had it for awhile.
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Or which bureaucrat, for that matter?
justltl on November 21, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Just ask I-worked-hard-for-this-title Senator ma’am.
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 10:58 AM
very true, that is why his “power and control” must loose it’s Nebraska connection. Doesn’t Chicago or Detroit need a quick bought politician?
flyoverboy on November 21, 2009 at 11:00 AM
I heard that, too. Surprises me, frankly.
You don’t want us pointing out the very obvious fact that health care WILL be rationed (see: the recent “changes” in testing for breast/cervical cancer) then don’t support this abomination.
All you hypocrites say unlimited health care is a “right” when insurance companies are in charge; the second liberals revise guidelines for pretty standard preventative care (read: it’s a lot cheaper to catch breast cancer early than it is to treat it at stage 2, 3, 4) health care access is no longer a “right” but something that must be carefully managed to reduce costs.
YOU support these idiots and YOU deserve to reap what you sew. My sympathy lies only with the people who tried to oppose this who will now not have access to treatment and die early because arses like YOU want “free” health care.
Don’t call us horrible.
We don’t want this.
YOU have made this bed. Enjoy laying in it.
englishqueen01 on November 21, 2009 at 11:03 AM
There’s little hope that ma’am will be voted out, but you never know California may have an epiphany when they are tired of the high taxes and touchy/feely laws. Nah, they’ll probably move to Nebraska to avoid the high taxes just like they moved to Colorado….and look how that’s worked for blue Colorado.
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 11:06 AM
I was in CA when Nelson was governor. Was he more centrist, then?
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 11:10 AM
We’re trying, we’re trying.
err,uhh….aren’t Chicago and Detroit’s politicians already bought up? Lost cause, but I hope we get most the “bought up” politicians kicked out of office, but that would be impossible to get them all booted out.
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Uhhgggg. ma’am was my senator for the last thirteen years I lived in San Diego. I’d love to see her kicked out on her ass.
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 11:13 AM
I remember you said you were honored by living in ma’am’s state of California years ago. She needs to go…ACORN probably has a lot to do with her hanging on to the Senate.
yoda on November 21, 2009 at 11:23 AM
It was very frustrating to live there. I watched San Diego morph from a sleepy little military/conservative town in the eighties into a hotbed of liberals. I saw the writing on the wall and left in 2005.
Don’t blame me, I voted for Tom McClintock.
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM
I still get spammed by ma’am in my junkmail, replies from emails I sent opposing her lunacy. She is always praising herself for what she has done to and for CA.
OmahaConservative on November 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM
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